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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 03:31:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: Don Juneau <djuneau@io.com>
Subject: Re: DG: Info exchange

On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Pagan Art wrote:

>    Hey guys, I just want to let you all know how much I'm enjoying the
> precedings.  The info exchanged is quite useful.  I was wondering,
> would you guys like any information from my own list of NPCs and
> locations?  And possibly could we set up some kind of information
> exchange, where information about cities and other mundane stuff could
> be used to spice up a campaign.  I for example am from New York, and
> live in Seattle, so I have extensive knowledge of both locales, I
> however would not know much about Louisiana, or Iowa and perhaps one of
> you would.

Well, I'm currently in Spokane, WA and spent the vast majority of my life
in Montana. <shudder> "The blasted plains, the frozen waste..." <G> I
suspect I know places that a certain underground laboratory might be
located - there used to be an Air Force base up near Glasgow, I think, and
somewhere north of Great Falls was a *big* Anti-Ballistic Missile defense
site that was never completed. (I don't recall seeing it, but the book I
read spoke of it. I'll try and dig up the ISBN/title tomorrow - anti-nuke
activist map/tourbook of ICBM silos. <G>)

>   Incidentally my agent Curtis McRay, aka JOSHUA has been active since
> before Fairfield bit the big one, all the way back to 1991.   Gah.  The
> memories. Trust me, in the role-playing environment of Pagan Publishing,
> having a character live that long is cause for celebration!

No kiddin'. <heheheh> He wasn't one of the poor schlubs who went into that
bathroom, was he? (There's only one bathroom of note in publicised DG so
far that I've seen, but if players wish to be careful *every* time the PC
steps in, well... <EG> what's the Sanity loss for "zipper-bite"?)

Don

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:53:16 -0500
From: Jeff McSpadden <jeferi@inlink.com>
Subject: Re: DG: Info exchange

John P. Yuda wrote:
> 
> At 12:06 AM 4/13/98 EDT, you wrote:
> >   Hey guys, I just want to let you all know how much I'm enjoying the
> >precedings.  The info exchanged is quite useful.  I was wondering, would you
> >guys like any information from my own list of NPCs and locations?  And
> >possibly could we set up some kind of information exchange, where information
> >about cities and other mundane stuff could be used to spice up a campaign.  I
> >for example am from New York, and live in Seattle, so I have extensive
> >knowledge of both locales, I however would not know much about Louisiana, or
> >Iowa and perhaps one of you would.
> 

Well I can help too.  For those of you with the DG rulebook, not to give a spoiler, I am in St. Louis.  I can produce maps, floorplans, ans
resources for that rather brutal scenario.

Jeff
- -------------------------------------------------
ICQ# is 9957476
http://www.inlink.com/~jeferi/

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 98 17:07:16 UT
From: "John Gallant" <rjury@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: DG: Info exchange

Pagan Art wrote:
>    Hey guys, I just want to let you all know how much I'm enjoying the
> precedings.  The info exchanged is quite useful.  I was wondering,
> would you guys like any information from my own list of NPCs and
> locations?  And possibly could we set up some kind of information
> exchange, where information about cities and other mundane stuff could
> be used to spice up a campaign.  I for example am from New York, and
> live in Seattle, so I have extensive knowledge of both locales, I
> however would not know much about Louisiana, or Iowa and perhaps one of
> you would.

Cool and the gang, I'm from the Seattle area, then Northern Cal., then 
Southern Nevada (yes, I've been as close to Area 51/Groom Lake as they'd let 
me), Northern NV (where they have the underwater nuclear warfare center), and 
now, Southern Cal.  If you have questions about them, just ask.  

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:59:59 +0200
From: PM <mermoud@easynet.fr>
Subject: Re: DG: Info exchange

>   Hey guys, I just want to let you all know how much I'm enjoying the
>precedings.  The info exchanged is quite useful.  I was wondering, would you
>guys like any information from my own list of NPCs and locations?  

So am I.
I've just subscribed to this list and in the past few days have really enjoyed
what I've read. I've used DG a little at the time it was released and due to
diverging paths with my friends had stopped using it for months.
I'm taking again now that my work is almost over. I'm just finishing the
french text
for the french edition of DG. I've dogged the guy line-editor for the
french edition
of Call of Cthulhu for months telling him he should check the Pagan stuff
for new
items for the french ine and finally he did and offered me the opportunity
for the 
translation.
My new players have just finished creating their cell members and I plan to
run
"Puppets...." starting wednesday evening.
And already the contributions to this list have triggered new ideas for me.
I don't know how long the list has been on, and how much I've missed.
Would someone have archived the messages ?

						Patrice Mermoud
=============================================
Patrice Mermoud	(Paris - France)
mermoud@easynet.fr
mermoud@mygale.org
http://www.mygale.org/~mermoud/
=============================================

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:51:43 EDT
From: Croaker Jr <CroakerJr@aol.com>
Subject: Re: DG: Info exchange

Trading ideas and background and all is a fantastic idea, and the archiving
will be invaluable for that end.  For my part, I'm from Birmingham, AL, and
lived in Sacramento for about ten years and in New York City for three
(1993-1996).  

As you can imagine, of the three New York is by far the more interesting
setting for Delta Green, and I have no less than five scenarios in the works
featuring the Big Apple.  It has the largest FBI field office (1000 of the
Bureau's 10,000 agents are in New York), major international presence and
therefore intelligence presence, military bases, and universities to hold
collections of esoteric and properly dangerous books... and then there's Club
Apocalypse.

So, my campaign describes the formation of "M" cell, to be located in New York
City.  Cell leader will be MEREDITH, a senior Assistant U.S. Attorney, First
District, New York.  If anyone runs agents through NYC and wants a little
"color", let me know and I'll fill you in on what M Cell has suffered... I
mean, accomplished... The first NYC excursions of M cell should run within the
next month.

Now, one thing I'd like to know:  does anyone on this list know Washington, DC
very well??

Shane Ivey
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6580/dg.htm

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:31:00 -0400
From: "John P. Yuda" <yuda@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: DG: Info exchange

>Now, one thing I'd like to know:  does anyone on this list know
Washington, DC
>very well??

Very well?  no.  but my aunt lives there, and as such i have a decent
amount of knowledge on the place.  If I'm the best we've got, feel free to
send me an email (list or personal) and pick my brain.

Yuda
- -------------------------------------------------------
"The Pope, huh?" --Bob Dylan


163 Atherton Hall
University Park PA 16802
(814)862-5598	
yuda@psu.edu		
yuda@cse.psu.edu	
RGM web page: http://rowdy.home.ml.org/
personal page: http://www.personal.psu.edu/jpy107/

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:40:56 +0900
From: ft203004@fsinet.or.jp (Jay and Mikiko Noyes)
Subject: DG: Area information

I am a native of southern Missouri and am currently residing in Tokyo.  I am
capable of supplying information for both areas.

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:47:30 -0400
From: "Jon Capps" <jcapps@yancey.main.nc.us>
Subject: Re: DG: Info Exchange

On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Pagan Art wrote:

>    Hey guys, I just want to let you all know how much I'm enjoying the
> precedings.  The info exchanged is quite useful.  I was wondering,
> would you guys like any information from my own list of NPCs and
> locations?  And possibly could we set up some kind of information
> exchange, where information about cities and other mundane stuff could
> be used to spice up a campaign.  I for example am from New York, and
> live in Seattle, so I have extensive knowledge of both locales, I
> however would not know much about Louisiana, or Iowa and perhaps one of
> you would.

Sounds Cool!
I lived for 10 years as a military brat at Jacksonville NC, home of Camp
Lejeune, the largest military base on the Eastern Seaboard, and currently
reside in the Blue Ridge Mts. of NC, home of Mt Mitchell, highest pt. east
of the Miss. River.  If anyone wants info related to either of these
sights, I'd be more than happy to lend what I know.




BACKGROUND THEORY IDEAS FOLLOW. ANYONE MAY READ. HOWEVER, IF YOUR KEEPER
USES THESE, IT MAY INTERFERE W/ YOUR ENJOYMENT OF THE GAME.




I'm currently trying to reconcile 2 of my favorite fantasy settings; the
Call of Cthulhu/Delta Green universe and White Wolf's World of Darkness. 
I'm working on a conversion method to transfer characters between the two,
and am attempting to combine the two mythologies. For ex. Caine, the father
of the vampires, is an avatar of Nyarlathotep; Gaia, worshipped by the
werewolves, is a form of Shub, The Wyrm, foe of the werewolves, may end up
w/ some connection to Azathoth, and naturally, they have their allies
secretly placed in the gov. as well.  Does anyone have any ideas they can
contribute?

Have fun

Jon

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:46:19 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Matt C." <tenebrae@earthling.net>
Subject: DG: <keepers. "L Cell"

More stuff from my DG campaign:












yup








ok:

The leader of the L cell and the main contact person for M is a man known as
code name "Lance". he is a tall man, appx 6'2" 195 lbs. He has short cut
sandy blonde hair, a blonde moustache and pale, washed out looking blue
eyes. He favors dark suits, conservative ties and dark sunglassess during
the day. He has a pleasant baritone and is a convincining and eloquent
speaker when he wants to be. His sense of humor is very dry.


Info:

Code Name:"Lance"
Real Name: Stan Haddings
Affiliation: Delta Green
Age: 38 Sex: Male Ht: 6'2" Wt: 198lbs
Education: Masters Degree-Computer Science/University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
Occupation: CIA Intelligence Analyst

Str:11    Dex:12  Int:16  Idea: 80%           Magic Points: 13
Con:13    App:11  Pow:13  Luck: 65%     
Siz:12    San:58/82 max Edu:16 Know: 80%      Hit Points: 12

Skills:  Accounting:35% Anthropology: 15% Astronomy:10% Chemistry: 30%
Computer Use: 85% Credit Rating: 35% Cryptography: 55% Cthulhu Mythos: 17%
Dodge: 33% Electrical Repair: 45% Electronics: 60% Fast Talk: 35% First Aid:
35% Forgery: 25% History: 45% Law: 55% Library Use: 60%  Occult: 15% German:
65% English: 89% Persuade: 60% Psychology: 35% Sneak: 20% Spot Hidden: 50%
Tell Amusing Anecdote: 65%  Politcal Theory: 85%

Barretta 92F 65% Imp:13% (2shots/rd d10 dam. Mag.15 - Shoulder Holster)
Colt .32 Revolver 60% Imp. 12% (1sht/rd d8 dam. 6 rounds - ankle holster)

Background: An outstanding student, Stan opted for CIA service right out of
college, he worked his way up through the ranks, learning the various skills
that he needed to become a better agent along the way. His first brush with
the Mythos came during a routine investigation of an off shore money
laundering scheme. As part of an evidence package recieved from the DEA he
recieved a collection of encrypted financial records. The information
belonged to a notorious arms and drug trafficer who operated out of various
Caribbean hide outs. Unknow to all the drug lord had close ties to a corrupt
brujero who was in fact a servitor of the outer gods (Nyarlathotep in
particular) The demented sorceror sent a Byakhee to destroy the office and
the information late in the night. A dedicated agent, Haddings was working
hard on the encryption when the creature attacked. Through sheer luck the
agent was able to fight off the creature and save the two disks of
information, although much heavy damage was done. Shortly after and thanks
to the information, the drug lord was extradited and brought to trial.
Haddings was contacted by the newly forming cell structure of Delta Green
and the rest is history.

 Agent Haddings is as dedicated now to Delta Green as he is to everything
else he believes in. He thinks that the group is the only chance of
protection this country has to the horrors he himself has personaly
witnessed over the years. The cases he has worked on have expanded his
knowledge of the mythos as well as his various skills. He has sort of an
older brother attitude towards younger agents and espescially towards those
in K cell. (He feels a bit of responsibilty for the situation with the last
members of the group, he was their initial contact for their last case.)
 + | +
Matt Cowger -
Tenebrae@Earthling.net
ICQ UIN:5409084
Cam #:9607-020
http://home.gvi.net/~tenebrae
+ | +

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:05:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Matt C." <tenebrae@earthling.net>
Subject: DG: Waaugh!

I've only had my DG book for three weeks and already pages in the back are
pulling free of the binding! Is anyone else having this problem?

- -Matt C
 + | +
Matt Cowger -
Tenebrae@Earthling.net
ICQ UIN:5409084
Cam #:9607-020
http://home.gvi.net/~tenebrae
+ | +

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:00:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: Don Juneau <djuneau@io.com>
Subject: Re: DG: Waaugh!

On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Matt C. wrote:

> I've only had my DG book for three weeks and already pages in the back are
> pulling free of the binding! Is anyone else having this problem?

Both of the ones I'm had <G> have been tough as nails. You-know-who got
the one, and it was used in the first place, while the one I still own is
going strong from the opening shipment.

Is yours the second printing?

Don

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:59:06 -0700
From: "Frank C. Pine" <fcpine@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: DG: Info Exchange

On White Wolf/CoC cosmology merging:
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Jon Capps wrote:

> BACKGROUND THEORY IDEAS FOLLOW. ANYONE MAY READ. HOWEVER, IF YOUR KEEPER
> USES THESE, IT MAY INTERFERE W/ YOUR ENJOYMENT OF THE GAME.
>
> I'm currently trying to reconcile 2 of my favorite fantasy settings; the
> Call of Cthulhu/Delta Green universe and White Wolf's World of Darkness.
> I'm working on a conversion method to transfer characters between the two,
> and am attempting to combine the two mythologies. For ex. Caine, the father
> of the vampires, is an avatar of Nyarlathotep; Gaia, worshipped by the
> werewolves, is a form of Shub, The Wyrm, foe of the werewolves, may end up
> w/ some connection to Azathoth, and naturally, they have their allies
> secretly placed in the gov. as well.  Does anyone have any ideas they can
> contribute?
>
> Have fun
>
> Jon

  I always pegged Azathoth as the Wyld. If you use Mage, the marauders are
embodiments of the wild and seem to me to epitomize blind chaos swirling out of
the center of the universe. I'd suggest you use Nyarlathotep as the Wyrm. You
can still use Caine as an avatar of Nyarlathotep. Vampires are, inherently,
wyrm critters anyway -- it's only by mastering the beast that they are able to
raise their humanity and shirk the wyrm taint anyway.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:51:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Matt C." <tenebrae@earthling.net>
Subject: Re: DG: Waaugh!

>Is yours the second printing?

Yup, had there been some problems with that printing?

- -Matt C
 + | +
Matt Cowger -
Tenebrae@Earthling.net
ICQ UIN:5409084
Cam #:9607-020
http://home.gvi.net/~tenebrae
+ | +

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:29:23 -0400
From: "John P. Yuda" <yuda@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: DG: Waaugh!

>>Is yours the second printing?
>
>Yup, had there been some problems with that printing?

Not that I know of.  Mine's second printing, and so far it's been just
ducky.  Bought it as soon as the second printing was out, too. (had ordered
it right after first sold out and had a long wait).  One key point here is
that I've made no photocopies from the book.  If you pushed it flat on a
copier that might not have helped too much.

Yuda

- -------------------------------------------------------
"The Pope, huh?" --Bob Dylan


163 Atherton Hall
University Park PA 16802
(814)862-5598	
yuda@psu.edu		
yuda@cse.psu.edu	
RGM web page: http://rowdy.home.ml.org/
personal page: http://www.personal.psu.edu/jpy107/

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:40:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Womack <oaktree@nocturne.org>
Subject: DG: Info Exchange Housekeeping

I think Dennis' idea of pooling resources in terms of DG agents/friendlies
and also of real world regional knowledge is excellent.  Wish I'd thought
of it. ;)  At any rate, I've gone back through the posts received so far
and culled the pertinent info, reproduced below.  I will also work on
making this information available at the list's website,
www.nocturne.org/deltagreen (where the archives for this list will also be
posted as they become available).  I'm going to go ahead and list the
various posters' e-mail addresses here, but will leave them off the
website (a nefarious ploy to get interested parties to join the list and
swell our ranks if they want a way to get in touch with particular
knowledgeable people ;) ).

What follows, then, is two lists, the first showing compiled information
on the various DG cells currently in operation, with such info on their
members as has been made available.  The second list identifies various
real-world locales with which various folks have claimed familiarity, and
to whom you may direct questions when working on devising scenarios using
those locales.  Feel free to send updates and new entries to the list;
I'll try to get in the habit of sending out the latest revised info once a
month or so, and to keep the webpage version (once I get it up) updated
regularly.

Cell info:
A-Cell--self-explanatory
J-Cell--Pagan Art <PaganArt@aol.com> (Dennis Detwiller)
	"Joshua" (aka Curtis Ray)
K-Cell--Matt C. <tenebrae@earthling.net> (Matt Cowger)
	(under construction)
L-Cell--Matt C. <tenebrae@earthling.net>
	"Lance" (CIA intelligence analyst)
M-Cell--Croaker Jr <CroakerJr@aol.com> (Shane Ivey)
	"Meredith" (Sr. Asst. US Attorney, 1st Dist., NYC)
P-Cell--Chris Womack <oaktree@nocturne.org>
	"Peter" (FBI, forensic medicine specialist)
	"Paul"  (NSA computer analyst)
	"Peri" (FBI, violent crimes division)
	(May be subject to reformulation due to injuries sustained)
T-Cell--"John P. Yuda" <yuda@psu.edu>
	(currently operating in southern FL)

Real-World Locale info:
AL:
	Birmingham:  Croaker Jr <CroakerJr@aol.com> (Shane Ivey)
CA:  
	Northern:  John Gallant <rjury@classic.msn.com>
	Southern:  John Gallant <rjury@classic.msn.com>
	Davis:  Chris Womack <oaktree@nocturne.org>
	Sacramento:  Croaker Jr <CroakerJr@aol.com> (Shane Ivey)
DE:  "John P. Yuda" <yuda@psu.edu>
IN:
	Lafayette:  Chris Womack <oaktree@nocturne.org>
LA:
	New Orleans:  Chris Womack <oaktree@nocturne.org>
MO:
	Northern:  Chris Womack <oaktree@nocturne.org>
	Southern:  Jay and Mikiko Noyes <ft203004@fsinet.or.jp>
	St. Louis:  Jeff McSpadden <jeferi@inlink.com>
MT:  Don Juneau <djuneau@io.com>
NC:
	Blue Ridge Mts. (area):  Jon Capps <jcapps@yancey.main.nc.us>
	Jacksonville/Camp Lejeune:  Jon Capps <jcapps@yancey.main.nc.us>
NV:  
	Northern:  John Gallant <rjury@classic.msn.com>
	Southern:  John Gallant <rjury@classic.msn.com>
NY:
	New York:  Pagan Art <PaganArt@aol.com> (Dennis Detwiller)
		   Croaker Jr <CroakerJr@aol.com> (Shane Ivey)
PA:  "John P. Yuda" <yuda@psu.edu>
TN:	Chris Womack <oaktree@nocturne.org>
WA:
	Seattle:  Pagan Art <PaganArt@aol.com> (Dennis Detwiller)
		  John Gallant <rjury@classic.msn.com>
	Spokane:  Don Juneau <djuneau@io.com>
Washington, DC:  "John P. Yuda" <yuda@psu.edu>
Tokyo, Japan:  Jay and Mikiko Noyes <ft203004@fsinet.or.jp>

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:22 +0100 (BST)
From: tsiolkovsky@coherent-light.cix.co.uk (rik kershaw)
Subject: DG: Hi There

Hi There,

Name's Rik a CoC Keeper from the UK.  I've got a DG Site
dedicated to the UK side of things.  I'm pretty pleased to see a
list like this, and I hope that I can live up to the high
standing of the posts within this list.

__________________________________________
www.cix.co.uk/~coherent-light/
tsiolkovsky@coherent-light.compulink.co.uk
tsiolkovsky@cix.co.uk
Tsiolkovsky's Demon

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:28:32 -0700
From: Stephen Parks <sparks@po-box.mcgill.ca>
Subject: DG: Alien Artifacts

Hi, great posts to the list!

However, there's something I would prefer over regional information,
which I figure I can either find in reference books or confabulate. I'd
like to hear some ideas for alien artifacts.  So far, the only examples
that I can think of are the lightning guns of the Yithians, the
armour-webs and mist-projectors of the Mi-go from my copy of the CoC
rulebook and the electric-guns from the DG sourcebook.  The armour-webs
and electric-guns are so cool because of their detrimental effects on
users.

What's really irritating is that I hear for the CoC 5.5th edition
they've put in some of this stuff.  Of course, any information from
there couldn't be shared because of copyright infringement, but some
disinformation might be nice...

As for locale information, I live in Ontario and go to school in Quebec,
and I do have some not-even-close-to-fleshed-out ideas for DG ops across
the border.  (Operatives masquerading as RCMP, etc.)

Final note, K-Cell's moniker Special K is the best!  My group is headed
up by Agent Ophelia, along with some Friendlies, and since they're more
academic than field operative and slightly prone to insanity, I think
I'll have them jokingly referred to as Cell-O's Jello group.

Cheers,
Stephen.

P.S. What's with the NRO being all public and stuff now?  Anyone know
when this happened?

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:32:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: Don Juneau <djuneau@io.com>
Subject: Re: DG: Waaugh!

On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Matt C. wrote:

> >Is yours the second printing?
> 
> Yup, had there been some problems with that printing?

Not that *I* know of. Of course, it could be a Plot. *They* are 
Everywhere, you know...

Vaguely reminds me of an idea I once had, that even if you ran Uncle
Abdul's Big Forbidden Book O' Fun through your basic high-grade
photocopier (or pagescanner), you'd not get the actual benefits/costs of
the copy due to there being essentially no POW invested in it. At best,
you'd get ungodly powerful rituals and commentary without any of the
intrinsic "protection" that a hand-copyist would pour into it in the
process of carefully transferring ink (or other fluid <G>) to paper (as
for ink).

The copying process also will have unintended effects on diagrams and
illustrations, like the Elder Sign. Even if it is a simple process to draw
up the ES, it's got to be done in a certain order; the "all at once"
method will, at least, fail. (Dunno if I'd go farther, myself.) The Yellow
Signs in TELL ME, HAVE YOU SEEN THE YELLOW SIGN? are "powered"
specifically, not just churned out on a press.

(This would explain the failures of the Simon, et al., Necronomicon.
"Damnit, Nyalrathotep, there's another poseur calling.  Make an *example*
of this one.  What? You *have* been? Well, make a *spectacle* of this one,
then, I'm getting tired of this crap." <smirk>)

The "glove cleaners" of TUO #14/15 put a "little bit of themselves" into
their work, so those would be more useful. (Just to be perverse about it.
<G> "It's just a photocopy, it won't work." <*FWUFF*> "AIEEE!")

Why would the printed works work at all? Well, it's another "glove
cleaner"-type action. That strange old man who mumbled to himself but was
the best typesetter at Golden Goblin? ("Hmmm. What happened to him?" "He
was devoured by an invisible demon!" "Jeez, Dave, quit drinking the
paint-thinner, all right?")

The fickle finger of Fate (Nyarlathotep pops up. "Present.") might also
come into play. Out of umpteen thousand Simon Necs, maybe one or two were
*usable* copies? 

It might get a little much to deal with, and can be vicious to inflict
upon innocent PCs. (Nylari spits coffee all over his monitor. "You *are* a
smartass. Innocent PCs... <shudder>") But, it does make Eldritch Tomes
more of a problem than "Okay, Mindy, you and Frank get that stack of books
to Kinkos! Me and Harry and Linda will finish off the cultists and burn
the warehouse!"

So it went off-topic some, so what? <G> Not precisely DG, but more
applicable for the modern-era stuff than the '20s, much less Gaslight. 

Don

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:01:20 -0400
From: Daniel Harms <dmharms@mailhub.acsu.buffalo.edu>
Subject: Re: DG: Waaugh!

At 04:32 PM 4/14/98 -0500, Don Juneau wrote:

>Vaguely reminds me of an idea I once had, that even if you ran Uncle
>Abdul's Big Forbidden Book O' Fun through your basic high-grade
>photocopier (or pagescanner), you'd not get the actual benefits/costs of
>the copy due to there being essentially no POW invested in it. At best,
>you'd get ungodly powerful rituals and commentary without any of the
>intrinsic "protection" that a hand-copyist would pour into it in the
>process of carefully transferring ink (or other fluid <G>) to paper (as
>for ink).

[snip]

>It might get a little much to deal with, and can be vicious to inflict
>upon innocent PCs. (Nylari spits coffee all over his monitor. "You *are*
>a smartass. Innocent PCs... <shudder>") But, it does make Eldritch 
>Tomes more of a problem than "Okay, Mindy, you and Frank get that 
>stack of books to Kinkos! Me and Harry and Linda will finish off the 
>cultists and burn the warehouse!"

     I'm a bit confused by all this.  First, why do you have to have a 
mystical explanation for the tome's changing?  You can have smudged
words, get the pages in the wrong order (collation can be a bitch), 
a crucial page could be skipped, and so forth.  These problems might
not come up often, but that just makes them more memorable.  Of 
course, all this is assuming that the characters are willing to place their
rare and valuable tome at the mercies of a photocopier...

Second, what's wrong with letting characters have multiple copies of
the same tome?  The more copies, the more people go insane, and
the more likely that the characters will get careless and allow a copy to
fall into the wrong hands.  In fact, a good and plausible scenario might
involve the appearance of a pamphlet/web page containing a Mythos-
related tome or spell and its aftermath.  If that isn't bad enough, think
of how the characters would feel if it were the result of their neglect!
Ha ha ha -- er, that would be a smashing good game.

Yrs.,


Daniel Harms     dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu
"Fie on the immortality of cast-iron lawn deer!"
     -- H. P. Lovecraft

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 98 16:41:37 UT
From: "John Gallant" <rjury@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: DG: Waaugh!

>>Is yours the second printing?
>Yup, had there been some problems with that printing?

I have a second printing copy too.  It took me so long to get a copy that it 
was the first one available).  My copy's cover is starting to separate from 
the laminate and the binding is getting loose.  What I'm trying to find out 
where the libraries get their soft covers rebound and laminated to new 
hardcovers.  I've seen it done on a game book before.  A library in Vegas had 
Native American Nations redone as a hardcover and it was incredibly tough.  
Since the softcover is laminated to the new hardcover, none of the art is 
lost, except in the case of the DG book, where the printing on the inside 
cover is no longer visible.  It'd be a small price to pay to make DG last.  

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 98 15:37:29 -0700
From: Joseph Camp <alphonse@delta-green.com>
Subject: DG: An Item of Mutual Interest

Case officers are advised to visit the following URL as time allows:

http://www.alexhelios.com/index.html

The group behind this web site presents some interesting claims regarding 
prehistorical North America and photographs of artifacts from same, 
particularly concerning the notion of Alexander the Great's lost tomb 
being located in the midwest together with bodies of the Ptolemy dynasty. 
Intriguing material (if a bit impenetrable) that might warrant your 
attention. Group's apparent status as a private corporation engaged in 
unorthodox archeological endeavors is intriguing at best, troubling at 
worst.

be seeing you,
Alphonse

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:03:32 -0700
From: Stephen Parks <sparks@po-box.mcgill.ca>
Subject: Re: DG: Alien Artifacts

Stephen Parks wrote:

> However, there's something I would prefer over regional information,
> which I figure I can either find in reference books or confabulate. I'd

Okay, I'd better deal with this before someone calls me up on it.  No, I
don't really mean confabulate, (the horror of not having a dictionary on
hand!).  I know that there's a wonderful evil-sounding word out there for
bullshitting, but I just can't think of it.  And no, the word isn't "GMing".

Cheers,
Stephen.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:12:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Womack <oaktree@nocturne.org>
Subject: DG: Alien Intelligence

Just picked up a copy of this from my local nameless informant this past
weekend, and wanted to pass along some preliminary reactions.  I'm only
halfway through, but will provide a more detailed review as soon as I'm
finished.

First off, let me just say: Excellent. For DG Keepers, a must-have.  As
great as the sourcebook is for conveying the proper mood and feel of the
setting, the short stories (and poem, diary, and novella!) collected
herein really serve to bring the world of DG to life. (A shuddersome
thought, to be sure. ;) )

Now, the Bad News:  If you're a DG player, this book is likely to be
labelled hands-off by your Keeper, at least in part if not in its
entirety.  Some of the material presented is very explicit in terms of
revealing secrets of which not everyone need/should/might be aware. If you
do get hold of a copy without your Keeper's prior approval, at least have
the courtesy to not use information revealed therein to spoil the
enjoyment of others. (I know, I know, this is fast becoming my mantra with
regard to Certain Topics on this list.)

As I said, I'll provide a more detailed review (complete with Keeper Eyes
Only label and spoiler warnings as appropriate ;) ) as soon as I've
finished devouring the book, but I wanted to pass along my initial
thumbs-up response.  Be on the lookout for _Delta Green:  Alien
Intelligence_ at a bookseller, gameshop, or interrupted-cultist-human-
sacrifice-crime-scene near you.

Chris Womack
Keeper of the List
oaktree@nocturne.org

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:27:18 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Matt C." <tenebrae@earthling.net>
Subject: RE: DG: Waaugh!

>Since the softcover is laminated to the new hardcover, none of the art is 
>lost, except in the case of the DG book, where the printing on the inside 
>cover is no longer visible.  It'd be a small price to pay to make DG last.  

Cool idea, let me know what you find out. I am kinda bummed that a 27 odd
dollar book doesn't get through five weeks of low key use though. :(

- -Matt C
 + | +
Matt Cowger -
Tenebrae@Earthling.net
ICQ UIN:5409084
Cam #:9607-020
http://home.gvi.net/~tenebrae
+ | +

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:34:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Matt C." <tenebrae@earthling.net>
Subject: DG: Info Exchange

Hey there,

Just FYI I live in Kansas City, Mo. Have lived all over eastern Kansas as
well as in Upper Michigan and elsewhere. My background is in philosophy for
those who need some help with adventures with an exisistential twist. ;)

- -Matt C
 + | +
Matt Cowger -
Tenebrae@Earthling.net
ICQ UIN:5409084
Cam #:9607-020
http://home.gvi.net/~tenebrae
+ | +

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:33:44 EDT
From: Croaker Jr <CroakerJr@aol.com>
Subject: Re: DG: Info Exchange

On White Wolf mythos vs. Cthulhu Mythos:











S P O I L E R   S P A C E










My first reaction to this idea was negative; the essential theme of the
Cthulhu Mythos is nihilism, the fact that all the patterns (occultism,
religion, philosophy, science) that we try to use to explain the cosmos are
invariably mere attempts to evade the true meaninglessness and futility of it
all.  

And there's the fact that in Call of Cthulhu the protagonists are basically
helpless against the forces they encounter.  Sure, Delta Green can blow up
cultists real good... but that won't matter a lick when a Shoggoth comes
calling; let alone an Outer God or three.  In the White Wolf games, as in
Kult, GURPS Voodoo, Nephilim, et al, the protagonists are never "mere" humans,
but supercharged in some way so they can face their enemies.  I think someone
a couple of years ago used that fact to distinguish Call of Cthulhu, a
"horror" game, from the rest of the "fear" or terror games.

So, mixing other supernatural elements should be handled carefully if you want
to maintain the sense of despair that is integral to Call of Cthulhu.  That's
why I first didn't care for the idea of mixing White Wolf with the Cthulhu
mythos.  On the other hand, though, those elements could be used to ENHANCE
the sense of nihilism and despair in a campaign:  present the
Wyrm/Wyld/Gaia/etc. mythology as a belief system that supernaturally-affected
creatures subscribe to, but eventually hint that it, too, is merely a hollow
denial of the truth.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:33:39 EDT
From: Croaker Jr <CroakerJr@aol.com>
Subject: Re: DG: Alien Artifacts

In a message dated 98-04-14 17:29:58 EDT, sparks@po-box.mcgill.ca (Stephen
Parks) wrote:

<< 
 P.S. What's with the NRO being all public and stuff now?  Anyone know
 when this happened?
  >>

Not just declassified... they have a website out of the Office of the Director
of Central Intelligence.  Check out www.nro.odci.gov.  I believe the NRO was
officially declassified back in 1994, around the time they built a big new
headquarters and couldn't keep secret who it was for.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:58:59 -0400
From: Tal Meta <talmeta@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: DG: Info Exchange

Croaker Jr wrote:
> 
> On White Wolf mythos vs. Cthulhu Mythos:

> My first reaction to this idea was negative; the essential theme of the
> Cthulhu Mythos is nihilism, the fact that all the patterns (occultism,
> religion, philosophy, science) that we try to use to explain the cosmos are
> invariably mere attempts to evade the true meaninglessness and futility of it
> all.

Unrelated to DG/CoC, but alot of the world background for Mage
translated well into Nephilim... makes the whole 'history is a lie,
science is an illusion' blurb make some kind of sense.

What I have been considering doing though is a DG/Neph crossover, ala
"Fallen". where the heroes off a member of say, Karotechnica, only to
discover that he doesn't die, but keeps hopping from body to body.
(Devil Arcanum Neph, of course). Would make for an interesting story
arc...

- -- 
talmeta@bellatlantic.net - I *am* one of the Chosen Few!
At once one with the conspiracy, as well as it's DEADLIEST
foe! / Do I look like someone who cares what GOD thinks?!
I have no webpage. / I mean, if this was a cartoon, which
character would YOU want to smash into a pulp, huh?!?!?
Will work for cash. / Insert Nifty ASCII graphic here.
Give me Slack, or give me Food (or kill me). TANJ Lives!
<http://www.etext.org/Zines/ASCII/ThereAintNoJustice/>

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:57:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Matt C." <tenebrae@earthling.net>
Subject: DG: <keepers> 'L Cell'

<spoiler>












yeah





ok:

Agent "Lynn"

A dumpy woman in her early thirties. She has mousy, lank brown hair, and her
hazel eyes are always slightly pink from the contact lenses she forgets to
clean. She is a bit heavy set for her height, but it would be hard to tell
because she contiually wears loose fitting dark sack like dressess and
sweaters. She stands 5'4" and weighs 143lbs.

"Lynn"
Name: Sandy Pikonen
Occupation: Environmental Scientists - EPA
Sex: Female Age: 33 Nationality: American of Finnish descent 
Affiliation: Delta Green
Schools & Degrees: Doctorate of Biochemistry, University of Colorado

Str:8   Dex:10   Int:15         Magic Points: 7
Con:13  App:9    Pow:7
Siz:12  San:30/90Edu:17         Hit Points:12
Idea:75%   Luck:35%   Know:85%
Damage Bonus: None

Skills:
Art-Drawing 70%  Biology 88% Botany 70%
Chemistry 82% Computer Use 42% Credit Rating 20% Cthulhu Mythos 9% Geology
25% Law 25% Library Use 45% Mathematics 35% Medicine 40% Natural History 45%
Latin 55% English (own) 85% Pharmacy 65% Physics 25% Zoology 35%

Sandy Pikonen was always more comfortable in a lab then anywhere else. She
had a deep love of ideas and appreciation for nature that precluded much
else in her life. This earned her some ridicule from her peers growing up
and her high school years were a pretty lonely affair. She graduated early
and went to college to get away from the teenage social games. It was in
college though that she finally found a group that she really felt she could
mesh with, a group of radical wanna-be ecoterrorists took the budding young
scientist into their fold and Sandy at last felt she fit in somewhere.

Sandy was torn between her studies and a desire to throw herself more
fervently towards "the cause". She engaged in a number of illegal sabotauge
runs with the other members of the group, until one night, when trying to
damage some pieces of highway machinery one of the group set of a large
fertilizer bomb, killing himself and severly injuring one of the other
group. Sandy fled, and with dilligent lying was able to avoid any legal
entaglements. (An example of the horrible luck that has haunted her most of
her life, and also very damaging to her young psyche). She through herself
into her studies after this, graduating at the top of her class.

After drifting for a bit she took a job with the EPA, hoping to legally
accomplish what she almost was arrested for four years previous. She was a
serious worker, but a bit distant from her peers. This distance was to her
advantage, when she discovered a member of the agency was covering for a
local industrialist. She detected the firm was deliberatly releasing a
strange biological agent (bits of suggoth tissue, isolated) into the water
supply of a small town. Her investigations revealed a conspiracy within the
EPA to cover this event up. She was put into the witness protection program
for a brief time and was the target of at least one assassination attempt.
With time the criminals were found and tried and Pikonen was allowed to
return to her job. She had attracted the attention of more then criminals
and cultists though and within six months was contacted by members of Delta
Green. After being shown corroberating evidence of a similar 'event' to the
water table infection in another small midwestern town Sandy was convinced
and discovered, at long last another cause with which she could apply
herself, feel like she belonged and also, had an air of mystery.

She is a deligent researcher but intensly dislikes violence and refuses to
go on outings that will lead to it. She does not carry a weapon of any sort.
None the less, she is an incredible source of scientific knowledge but must
be dealt with a bit cautiously, she's known to have the occasional break down.

- -Matt C
 + | +
Matt Cowger -
Tenebrae@Earthling.net
ICQ UIN:5409084
Cam #:9607-020
http://home.gvi.net/~tenebrae
+ | +

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