From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V1 #10 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Tuesday, April 21 1998 Volume 01 : Number 010 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:50:07 -0400 From: Yuda Subject: RE: DG: Conversion to Masterbook >Masterbook combat is confusing on a good day. Add magic to that, with >feedback numbers and chaos/order/oathbreaker adds, and a headache results. >After that I started looking for fast, clean systems. The one for Over The >Edge is very good, but the character creation system is just too freeform for >DG. I've never even read the magic rules. Just didn't feel like it after trying combat. I've never made it through the Shadowrun magic rules either. >This sounds cool. Early French La Femme Nikita/Professional starring Brigit >Bardot and Peter Sellers. I doubt I could get a party who was interested and >moderately knowledgable about France. I'd have to do a lot of research. All >I know of the place and time is that I still can't find a Alpine-Renault A110 >in this country. What did you use for inspiration and source material? With >the new DG book (COUNTDOWN) this might be a fun, light-hearted way to get >people interested in conspiracy gaming. Well, I didn't know much about France either, but when we started the group, I said something like "Okay, we're going to be an IMF team. Where do you want to be from?" The resounding response was France for no apparent reason. Since they were spies, I sent them out of France alot, and we only ever did one mission in France (or in Europe for that matter). I usually just read the encyclopedia article on wherever they were going to be and made up the rest, unless one of them knew more. Yuda. - ------------------------------------------------------- "The Pope, huh?" --Bob Dylan 163 Atherton Hall University Park PA 16802 (814)862-5598 yuda@psu.edu yuda@cse.psu.edu RGM web page: http://rowdy.home.ml.org/ personal page: http://www.personal.psu.edu/jpy107/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 98 22:54:34 -0700 From: Joseph Camp Subject: Re: DG: DGINFO: Updated summary, 20.4.1998 Once again, agent BENEDIC comes through with flying colors. Fine work! Those of you confounded by his PGP encoding (bonus points for tradecraft there, Benedic) are advised to see the Public-Key Encryption section of our web site (http://www.delta-green.com/). This is a good time to get up to speed on encryption and get my public keys from the web site, actually, since I believe we'll be posting some PGP-only material to the web site in early May. That team of agents I mentioned recently is currently doing field work in the UK and should have their report in shortly; it will be available exclusively in a PGP-encoded file for optimum security. be seeing you, Alphonse ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 09:32:00 -0700 From: Josh Shaw Subject: Re: DG: US Bureaucracy [long] Phil A Posehn wrote: > > Don't forget the occasional embarrassing incidents that happen every so > often. Story deleted True Story; Cleveland Ohio about 1972. The Cleveland PD have a major buy on from what they believe is a major drug operation. Likewise, the county sherriff's office has a major sting going against what the think is a leading local drug distribution ring. The two sides meet in a wharehouse to exchange drugs for cash. Sure enough, the exchange is sucessfully made, to everyone's satisfaction, somebody whips out his piece to make the bust, the other guys assume it's a take-off or that their made---and general mayhem ensues. It's a funny story, if you don't count a couple of casualties. The firefight was only stopped when one side's *uniformed* back up arrived. Was a big enough, and nonconcealable enough fuck up that it made Cleveland Plain Dealer (local daily), much to the embaresment of all concerned. Of course something like this could never happen to your players------right? :) - ------Josh ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:53:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Jose Burgos Subject: Re: DG: Re: Military ranks I was active duty in the AF five years (jet engines mechanic, in case anyone has questions for their campaigns), and as far as I can remember (back when I left in 1992) the rank structure was as follows ("E" stands for Enlisted): E-1 basic Airman (also called "slick sleave" due to having no rank displayed on their sleeves). E-2 Airman second class (one bar insignia) E-3 Airman 1st class (two bars) E-4 Senior Airman (3 bars) E-5 Sergeant (3 bars, white star, aka "buck" sergeant) E-6 Staff Sergeant (4 bars, white star) E-7 Tech Sergeant (5 bars, white star) E-8 Master Sergeant E-9 Senior (?) MS. Thats as far as I can remember, the command structure may have changed in the last 5 years. However, this should be fairly accurate. Hope this helps. Jose Burgos - ---Duran Goodyear wrote: > > The US Air Force is (to my knowledge) Identical to the US Army, simply > cause of the fact that the US AF was originally part of the US Army. (US > Army Air Corp) > > The Navy, is very different, cause, well, it's the navy... And they have a > different methodology, and philosophy of command. > > The Officer Ranks for the navy are... > (again, to my knowledge) > Ensign > Lt.. jr. > Lt. > Lt. Commander > Commander > Captain > Commodore > Vice Admiral > Rear Admiral > Admiral > Fleet Admiral. > > I'm sure that other people in the list will be able to fill that in better, > and if you have access to an encyclopedia of some kind, you should be able > to find a run down of them in there... > > Enjoy. > > ---------- > > From: Croaker Jr > > To: deltagreen@nocturne.org > > Subject: DG: Military ranks > > Date: Sunday, April 19, 1998 12:27 PM > > > > Can anyone give a rundown of the American Naval and Air Force military > rank > > structures? I'm fairly familiar with the Army & Marine Corps ranks, but > a > > list of those might be useful as well. I'd like to compile the lists for > easy > > reference on my website by players interested in military characters. > > > > Shane Ivey > > > > "Delta Green: You Are The Conspiracy" > > http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6580/dg.htm > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:33:00 +0100 From: Adam.Crossingham.Octavian@mktmail.com Subject: DG: Info Exchange Hi, I'm Adam Crossingham. I'm running a 6-year old 1920s CoC campaign right now (which will shortly end in a Pacific-style confrontation... [Nice!]). I'm a Brit, resident in Farnborough, Hampshire, which is about 40 miles SW of London, where I work for a Lloyd's of London insurance syndicate in the City of London. I'm very happy to help out with enquiries on London; my home town and it's neighbours; my home county and it's northern and eastern neighbours (once one of the most nuke-able areas of the UK); and any Archaeology-related questions I feel I can answer (I've got a BSc in the subject but I haven't used it in such a long time...). I can be found at: home: tigger@the-wolery.demon.co.uk work: Adam.Crossingham.Octavian@mktmail.com Later. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:54:00 +0100 From: Adam.Crossingham.Octavian@mktmail.com Subject: Re: DG: About DELTA GREEN: COUNTDOWN PaganArt writes: > So far the book will include (subject to change and expansion): > A profile of PISCES, the British answer to DELTA GREEN To which Graeme Price writes: > If you would like a British proof reader, the I would like to volunteer.... > along with most of the rest of the Brit contributors to the list, I should > imagine! I'd love to volunteer too! I'm waiting patiently in the queue to become the British proof reader while the SAS slot the other Brit contributors ahead of me :) But seriously, I do hope Pagan run any organisations or occupation templates that purport to be British in front of some Brit playtesters who have some knowledge of how modern Britain actually works. I'd hope the same policy of _native_ review would go for other countries too. We _still_ remember Dick Van Dyke's accent in 'Mary Poppins', though Gwyneth Paltrow's might make amends. - -- Adam Crossingham ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 12:30:01 -0700 From: Joseph Camp Subject: Re: DG: About DELTA GREEN: COUNTDOWN >But seriously, I do hope Pagan run any organisations or occupation templates >that purport to be British in front of some Brit playtesters who have some >knowledge of how modern Britain actually works. According to my liason at Pagan Publishing, the British agency templates are being written by a UK resident. I will encourage the boys at Pagan to submit material from the book to members of the list for peer review, as appropriate. be seeing you, Alphonse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 19:52:32 UT From: "John Gallant" Subject: DG: [DG] RE: Info Exchange [Keepers] Is this really a Keepers thing? sorta. I don't really think it's necessary, but rather than irk anyone, I ask that players involved in a DG game, a CoC game, a Conspiracy X game, or a bridge game please stop reading now. > > > There, I've done my Boyscout duty. > > > > > > > > > > <<>> I'm really curious; what is Pacific-style? Is it a regional thing or something related to film? <<>> Ya know, everytime I see a pic of the Lloyd's building by Richard Rogers, I'm reminded of the conversation between Indy and Belloq in "Raiders of the Lost Ark." The part about the Ark being a radio for speaking to God. The Lloyd's building looks more like a machine than a building. A complex tool for communicating with Elder Gods? Could it be a weapon against the Mythos nasties. The building is the uniting of technology and humanity. Order; the opposing force to the Chaos that Cthulhu & Co. will bring. A temple, a shrine, a place of refuge in the dark times. If any of that were the case, what of the Pompidou, created in part by Rogers as well? Was Rogers aware of more than he let on? Just my rambling, feel free to make a SAN check now. C.H. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 98 11:23 GMT From: FRANK M ADAMS Subject: Re: DG: Introduction Jose B. wrote: <> I have a few questions for you, but you didn't sign your name/e-mail address at the bottom. Would you please send it to me so I can contact you. This is also a good time for me to make a plea to the list. Please sign your posts with name/e-mail address so people can contact you with questions and such (unless you don't want that!). I don't have a fancy e-mail reader and all I get is the actual post and that fact that it's from owner-deltagreen list. I know it's terrible and frustrating, but it's easily fixed by the generosity of others on the list. So please sign your posts with your name and an e-mail address for those of use in the Dark Ages. Thanks in advance! Sincerely, Frank frank.m.adams@slchicago.infonet.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:03:58 +0200 From: Morten Kjeldseth Pettersen Subject: Re: DG: PDF sheet now online I keep getting an error message when I try to view the document. I've got Acrobat Reader 2.1, anyone else experience any problems. Am I doing something wrong? If so, what? Thanks in advance, - -- Morten Kjeldseth Pettersen - morty@os.telia.no "Now you see why Evil will always triumph, because Good is dumb!" - Dark Helmet, Spaceballs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:36:53 -0400 From: Duran Goodyear Subject: Re: DG: PDF sheet now online I actully was unable to connect to the ftp server... How big is it, could any one email it to me? Or.. help getting it... thanks At 12:03 AM 4/21/98 +0200, you wrote: >I keep getting an error message when I try to view the document. I've got Acrobat >Reader 2.1, anyone else experience any problems. Am I doing something wrong? If >so, what? > >Thanks in advance, >-- >Morten Kjeldseth Pettersen - morty@os.telia.no > >"Now you see why Evil will always triumph, because Good is dumb!" > - Dark Helmet, Spaceballs > _____________________________ Duran Goodyear dug96@hampshire.edu IM: Dyson RS ICQ: 3785415 http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~dug96 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:02:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jose Burgos Subject: Re: DG: Introduction Read you loud and clear, Frank, will do. BTW, my email is: burgos_j@yahoo.com - ---FRANK M ADAMS wrote: > > Jose B. wrote: > > < My name is Jose Burgos, Im pursuing a Ph.D in Languages and literature > at Arizona State U. Ive played CoC for many years (since 1987), > although I haven't had a regular group in a couple of years. Still, > its one of my favorite rpg's. One reason I like Delta Green (yes, I'll > admit it) is becuause Im a *big* fan of the X-files. When I discovered > DG and noticed the theme of govt/alien conspiracy. I understand that > the concept of DG originated months before X-files went on the air, > still, its a great supplement (and in a sense almost its own game).>> > > I have a few questions for you, but you didn't sign your name/e-mail > address at the bottom. Would you please send it to me so I can contact > you. > > This is also a good time for me to make a plea to the list. Please > sign your posts with name/e-mail address so people can contact you > with questions and such (unless you don't want that!). I don't have a > fancy e-mail reader and all I get is the actual post and that fact > that it's from owner-deltagreen list. I know it's terrible and > frustrating, but it's easily fixed by the generosity of others on the > list. > > So please sign your posts with your name and an e-mail address for > those of use in the Dark Ages. Thanks in advance! > > Sincerely, > > Frank > frank.m.adams@slchicago.infonet.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:02:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jose Burgos Subject: Re: DG: PDF sheet now online I've got Acrobat 3.0 and I downloaded it with no problems. J burgos_j@yahoo.com - ---Morten Kjeldseth Pettersen wrote: > > I keep getting an error message when I try to view the document. I've got Acrobat > Reader 2.1, anyone else experience any problems. Am I doing something wrong? If > so, what? > > Thanks in advance, > -- > Morten Kjeldseth Pettersen - morty@os.telia.no > > "Now you see why Evil will always triumph, because Good is dumb!" > - Dark Helmet, Spaceballs > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:22:49 -0700 From: Nezach Subject: Re: DG: Re: Military ranks Jose Burgos wrote: > > I was active duty in the AF five years (jet engines mechanic, in case > anyone has questions for their campaigns), and as far as I can > remember (back when I left in 1992) the rank structure was as follows > ("E" stands for Enlisted): > E-1 basic Airman (also called "slick sleave" due to having no rank > displayed on their sleeves). > E-2 Airman second class (one bar insignia) This must have changed right when I got in. A2C was simply "Airman". I guess that was more "PC", cant go around calling someone second class now can we :) > E-3 Airman 1st class (two bars) > E-4 Senior Airman (3 bars) > E-5 Sergeant (3 bars, white star, aka "buck" sergeant) This got changed in '94-95. They stopped promoting to buck sergeant. If you passed the test you were promoted straight to Staff Sgt. Buck sergents were actualy E-4s as well, they got paied just the same as Senior Airmen. The diffrence was they were NCOs. Before this all non NCO enlisted had subdued stars on their chevrons. Now everybody gets white stars. > E-6 Staff Sergeant (4 bars, white star) > E-7 Tech Sergeant (5 bars, white star) > E-8 Master Sergeant > E-9 Senior (?) MS. > Thats as far as I can remember, the command structure may have changed > in the last 5 years. However, this should be fairly accurate. They didn't have Chief Master Sergeants in '92? Honest question, I was under the impression that that rank had been around a while. > Hope this helps. > Jose Burgos > - -- Enjoy, Ndege _______________________________ Every dogma has its day. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:41:07 -0500 (CDT) From: "Matt C." Subject: DG: J Cell Hey there, Were you going to post J cell to the site, I was excitedly checking back to see if I was up there yet. :) BSY, Matt C + | + Matt Cowger - Tenebrae@Earthling.net ICQ UIN:5409084 Cam #:9607-020 http://home.gvi.net/~tenebrae + | + ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:50:05 -0500 (CDT) From: "Matt C." Subject: Re: DG: J Cell At 08:41 PM 4/20/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hey there, > >Were you going to post J cell to the site, I was excitedly checking back to >see if I was up there yet. :) Urgh..didn't mean to spam the list..my deepest appologies to all you good people. - -Matt C + | + Matt Cowger - Tenebrae@Earthling.net ICQ UIN:5409084 Cam #:9607-020 http://home.gvi.net/~tenebrae + | + ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:56:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Don Juneau Subject: Re: DG: J Cell On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Matt C. wrote: > At 08:41 PM 4/20/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Hey there, > > > >Were you going to post J cell to the site, I was excitedly checking back to > >see if I was up there yet. :) > > Urgh..didn't mean to spam the list..my deepest appologies to all you good > people. "Will the members of J Cell please pick up the white courtesy tentacles..." Don ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:00:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Don Juneau Subject: Re: DG: Waaugh! On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Daniel Harms wrote: > I'm a bit confused by all this. First, why do you have to have a > mystical explanation for the tome's changing? You can have smudged > words, get the pages in the wrong order (collation can be a bitch), > a crucial page could be skipped, and so forth. These problems might > not come up often, but that just makes them more memorable. Of > course, all this is assuming that the characters are willing to place their > rare and valuable tome at the mercies of a photocopier... Mainly personal choice - I'm a bit bothered by the apparent ease of tome-reproduction via technology, even if it's just a small-press run of a thousand or so copies. ("Oh, look, it's another BOOK OF DYZAN. Light it up and keep searching.") "Technical problems" are a good out, but it seems to me (IMO) that these intricate arcane works have got to be more than words/images on paper... and the mental image of a gifted madman carefully inscribing and empowering protective sigils, theft-prevention curses, and POW-batteries into his own personal grimoire seems interesting. > Second, what's wrong with letting characters have multiple copies of > the same tome? The more copies, the more people go insane, and > the more likely that the characters will get careless and allow a copy to > fall into the wrong hands. In fact, a good and plausible scenario might > involve the appearance of a pamphlet/web page containing a Mythos- > related tome or spell and its aftermath. If that isn't bad enough, think > of how the characters would feel if it were the result of their neglect! > Ha ha ha -- er, that would be a smashing good game. Slop 'em around enough, and it becomes "Background" - like the Simon Necronomicon. ("Okay, we found another Avon-printing BOOK OF DYZAN, three photocopies of THE RELEVATIONS OF GLAAKI volume XI, and some weird book that acts like it's all a game - like D&D." "Damn, no links there. The guy that shot himself last week had a TDX-3000 laser copier and volume XI, so that's a dead end." "What about that last one?" "Everyone treats is as a joke or a game, and it's spread worldwide. It's only hints and shadows, though, and we're letting it go - like we did with the Providence entity.") I'm not sure, exactly (this is all off the top of my head - not a well-thought-out and -reasoned expansion ), which way ("break" or "unprotected") I'd go; probably depends on how nasty it could get. "Broken" major Summoning/Contact spells, the more vicious stuff. "Unprotected" for most other things that would really need the safety. (Stuff that's already broken, then.) It's all very much optional, of course... more bookkeeping if you get serious about it. But I might stick it in a scenario or two, see how it flies. Don ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:24:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Don Juneau Subject: Re: DG: Introduction and Info Exchange On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Matt C. wrote: > > If you're > >interested in the area, or crime in the area (the meth capital of the > >world), drop me a line. > > Well darn, I thought Independance, Mo. had that distinction. On the flip > side, and slightly ghoulishly, there is a serial killer working that area > who is averaging about one dead prostitute a month and has been doing this > for over a year. In spite of increased police presence there are no leads or > anything. He eviscerates the women Jack the ripper style and leaves them in > the Missouri River. (BTW, that's the truth not a story idea, although I > suppose it could be used as the basis for one.) The media here, aside from > the occasional story when a body is found, don't seem terribly interested in > this. Don't think Spokane is that high on the meth scale, but we make up for it with the Aryan Nations just up the road in Idaho, and the Phineas Priesthood robbing banks and bombing; those two goofballs that shot it out with Ohio state troopers (IIRC) were also Washingtonians. Spoakne had a serial rapist (detailed in SON by Jack Olsen), but the current one is a serial killer, seems to be targeting prostitutes or other women in that "community". Some light discussion (not very detailed) as to whether it might be related to the Seattle Green River killer, but the cops think it's unlikely. Currently, there's been 21 women killed since '84 - only the last six or seven (including one in Tacoma) are officially "linked", but.. I missed the news-report about a discovery of "scorched bones" on the South Hill (the rapist's stalking-grounds, nicer suburban area, for the most part), but it's on tape as I wanted to hear about the public park that's apparently listed on the Internet as a place to go for "illegal outdoor public sex". (Could come up with some damn weird scenarios...) The Spokane killer seems partial to small-caliber handguns. (I think they've released info as it's a .22) However, they're not finding "fresh" scenes, and apparently they're all dump-sites. NPC Walk-On Role was ex-LAPD detective Mark Furhman , who was apparently rented for a few days, and checked out a pair of sites. (I seem to recall a new one was discovered just up the road from the one they were working; yup, same day, in fact. [Just looked it up on the map.]) Don ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:28:12 -0400 From: "Dan Chapman" Subject: Re: DG: Subjects for discussion And, if such a situation escalated, what alliances might be made against whichever race is more powerful? Would the US/the PCs/the people of Earth ally with (or at least turn their attention from) the Mi-Go or the Greys? Both or neither? - ---------- Dan Chapman Network Analyst Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer dchapman@myself.com http://www.rpguniverse.com - -----Original Message----- From: SteveL1979 To: deltagreen@nocturne.org Date: Sunday, April 19, 1998 8:01 PM Subject: Re: DG: Subjects for discussion >In a message dated 98-04-17 17:22:13 EDT, you write: > ><< Aliens besides the Mi-Go, and how they interact with the Mi-Go >> > > Here's a thought -- what if the *real* Greys show up and are annoyed at the >Mi-Go for using their likeness as a cover for nefarious deeds...? > >Steve Long > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:55:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Don Juneau Subject: Re: DG: Re: DG Info Exchange On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Toby Rushton wrote: > Incidentally, I was the unruly ATF agent in Don Juneau's PBEM game, is it > going on again? Have I missed it? Could I join again? Please? pretty > please? It was developing into something rather cool, methinks... Another spectre of my sordid past.. afraid that game is pretty dead, though. I might be able to snag a couple of players in realtime, here, although they both appear to be '20s-era fans. I'd resurrect it for maybe three players, if I knew that my situation were stable enough. If I can do it realtime, I'll report via the list, and probably post the entire scenario. Don ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:57:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Don Juneau Subject: Re: DG: Scenario Hook On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Jeff McSpadden wrote: > Here's an eco-themed headline from last year that would be a great hook > for a DG scenario. > > * In August, the New York Times reported on a movement in > Montana to declare as a national historical park the decaying city > of Butte (described as "one of the worst industrial crimes against > nature" in history). "Decaying"? Butte's not a thriving metropolis, but it's not decaying... sinking into the ground in spots, as the mines undercut a *lot* of the town. Major St. Patrick's Day celebrations (like unto week-long, from what I've heard), somewhat of a Russian community (I think) and possibly a small Chinese contigent (left over from the mines/railroads). > In the center of Butte is the Berkeley Pit, "a > Grand Canyon of open-pit mining," wrote the Times, "an 874-foot- > deep chasm filled with 26 billion gallons" of "toxic stew" that > grows by three million gallons a day. Not sure on depth, but the figure touted when it was still "working" (Andaconda Corporation - ran a lot of mining/smelting operations, but went under during/after a strike in the late '70s/early '80s; the big smokestack for the copper smelter in Great Falls was several hundred feet tall, and dropped in '80-whatever.) was one mile across; they had observation platforms where you could watch pit-operations - the graders recarving the spiral road down into the Pit, gargantuan Tonka-looking dump trucks full of ore creeping back up or rolling down - and even souvenier stands right there at the rim. As for 26 billion gallons... uhm, it's been a few years since I myself went to the Pit, but my reaction to that number is "gee, the Times is on crack, I see." And "three million gallons per day" engenders "and some mighty fine crack it is, too." I mean, the refinery (more than one?) there isn't pumping sludge up the hill and over the rim or anything. 3,000,000 gallons sounds rather like they rerouted a river or something, again going uphill. > In 1995, 300 snow geese > landed by mistake in The Pit, believing at night that it was a > normal lake, and were killed when their stomachs corroded. That one I recall. H'wever, from the video I remember, it was obviously not a "normal" lake; still a big steep-sided pit, but with a small area of water at the bottom. It's probably web-researchable, though. > On > the plus side, the surrounding area is picturesque, and the city has > some of the oldest brothel edifices in the West. It's home to the Montana College of Mining and Industry (with a nice rustic museum), a helluvalot of bars , a US Army reception station (when I enlisted, we had to go to Butte for the physicals/induction), a large statue of the Virgin Mary on a mountain overlooking town, and easy access to both the State Prison at Deer Lodge *and* the State Mental Hospital at Warm Springs. On my last trip there, there were still both working and closed/abandoned mineshafts around, with some open as "theraputic radon" tour-spots. Last trip but one, within 3 miles of city limits (within *sight* of the city, at that) were "live-capture" trailer-mounted bear traps - town runs pretty much right up the to the mountain. Suprisingly, they had a nice selection of new and used bookstores, as far back as I can remember. (Bozeman, an actual "college town" with the University of Montana [before the merger with Montana State U.][still is a college town] had something on the order of two new and one used bookstore when I went there. ) Gee, is it obvious that I lived in the state? Don ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:29:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Don Juneau Subject: Re: DG: Social Sec. Cards On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Til Eulenspiegel wrote: > As I remember it, a SS#'s first three digits correspond to the individual's > state of residence and location within that state. > The last four digits are used to record cards issued from a given source in > a calendar year. E.g., nnn-nn-4656 is the forty-six hundred and fity-sixth > card issued from the St. Dismal office of the Social Security > Administration in West Dakota. Hmmm. I know there used to be a FAQ for SS numbers, and might even still have it somewhere. I'll look tonight, find the URL. > I've forgotten what the middle two digits represent. The above information > comes from my memory of a book about private investigators in the > "Howdunit" series from Writer's Digest Books. Their phone number is (800) > 289-0963 Those are good books, except for one that was severely panned by John H Crowe III; 'twas chock-full of errors about firearms... a Bad Thing for the firearms book to be. Without the FAQ (or that book), all I can really say is that something is off. I was born in Great Falls, MT, and maybe even in the same hospital as my brother, but there's seven year's difference and change. (January vs. August and all.) Yet, there's only one digit's difference between our SS #s... and that one digit is only one off from the other. (123-45-6789 vs. 123-45-6799) Damn Grays are hacking the New World Order's systems again. > Some American states use SS# as driver's license numbers. Missouri does, at > least. SS# are now issued at birth; this was untrue until just a few years > ago. Supposedly this was done to make identity document fraud harder. According to what my card says, and what tends to be claimed more by Freemen and other anti-government types, the SS card (and apparently, the SSN itself by extension) is not to be used as identification of that sort; Montana does use it on ID/licenses, but Washington does alphanumeric mixed using part of the name. (Supposedly, if you don't want your SSN used on the MT license, you can request that a random number be generated.) As for identity document fraud, the Spokane Public Library has a small selection of "new ID" books, as well as 'How To Find Anybody" and a few other oddities. And today's spam included a mail from someone offering, among the tax-haven and offshore-banking touts, a source for the "yellow parchment" needed for birth-certificate fraud, as well as a hospital rubber-stamp and instructions for use. Don ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:35:31 -0400 From: "Michael BEck" Subject: Re: DG: Subjects for discussion What I can see is some kind of deal between Delta Green and the ghouls. The ghouls sould give DG their knowledge of the Mythos, and in return DG would cover up the ghouls' ... indiscretions. - ---------- > From: Dan Chapman > To: Delta Green List > Subject: Re: DG: Subjects for discussion > Date: Monday, April 20, 1998 10:28 PM > > And, if such a situation escalated, what alliances might be made against > whichever race is more powerful? Would the US/the PCs/the people of Earth > ally with (or at least turn their attention from) the Mi-Go or the Greys? > Both or neither? > > ---------- > Dan Chapman > Network Analyst > Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer > dchapman@myself.com > http://www.rpguniverse.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: SteveL1979 > To: deltagreen@nocturne.org > Date: Sunday, April 19, 1998 8:01 PM > Subject: Re: DG: Subjects for discussion > > > >In a message dated 98-04-17 17:22:13 EDT, you write: > > > ><< Aliens besides the Mi-Go, and how they interact with the Mi-Go >> > > > > Here's a thought -- what if the *real* Greys show up and are annoyed at > the > >Mi-Go for using their likeness as a cover for nefarious deeds...? > > > >Steve Long > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 98 05:52:51 UT From: "John Gallant" Subject: RE: DG: Social Sec. Cards <<>>> Speaking of JHC3 and guns, does anyone here have the Firearms book by Pagan? What's it like? Illoed? << And today's spam included a mail from someone offering, among the tax-haven and offshore-banking touts, a source for the "yellow parchment" needed for birth-certificate fraud, as well as a hospital rubber-stamp and instructions for use. >>> And you didn't pass this gem on? Cthulhu must be rolling over in his watery grave (of course the might one will rise, and glorious chaos shall reign as we, the devoted, feast on the populace in an orgy primal bloodletting and cannibalism, but that is neither here nor there). Take care kids. C.H. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 02:19:07 EDT From: TUO Subject: Re: RE: DG: Social Sec. Cards Informants at Pagan have heard rumors of a new version of The Weapon's Compendium possibly with illos or selected photos of various weapons. They did tell me that this was currently a low priority, but internal pressures still persist to produce a mass market version. The current version has tables on over 1500 weapons I believe and it has seen quite extensive use around the Pagan playtest table. Comprehensive tables exist for damage per caliber of the weapon. Pressures should be applied to Agent Alphonse for more info. - -Agent Poe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 23:31:12 -0700 From: Joseph Camp Subject: Re: DG: Subjects for discussion >What I can see is some kind of deal between Delta Green and the ghouls. >The ghouls sould give DG their knowledge of the Mythos, and in return DG >would cover up the ghouls' ... indiscretions. Something along these lines appears in a story in DELTA GREEN: ALIEN INTELLIGENCE. The boys at Pagan also plan to have substantial coverage of the ghouls of New York City in their DELTA GREEN: COUNTDOWN project, I believe. be seeing you, Alphonse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:20:51 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG:Whaaug! (on copying books) Greetings. Just this morning a photocopy shop by the University (I'm a regular customer) refused to copy me a few pages off one of _my_ books. "No..." said the young woman there, shaking her head vehemently "we do not copy books anymore". I imagined that either the copiright infringment fines are pretty stiff, or (remembering some of the last DG-list messages) they have been copying eldritch tomes with some nasty side-effect. This made me to remember an old science fiction story by the late Fredric Brown: it is called "Etaoin Shrdlu" (1942) and it is a very short piece telling the consequences of using an old linotype to compose a misthic tome. I guess you guys might like to take a look at it, as it relates directly to the pros and cons of copying/typesetting arcane knowledge with (relatively) modern technology, but covers the thing from a different angle - and it is fun (like most by F. Brown). It shuld be collected in "The best of Fredric Brown", but I'm not sure (I have the Italian edition of the complete short stories). If you are interested and are unable to find it, I might post you a summary. And this is it. Take care. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:45:28 -1000 From: "M-Zodiac" Subject: Re: DG:Whaaug! (on copying books) Prolly Kinkos. After they got sued, they're REALLY wary about that sorta thing. They don't want to do ANYTHING of that nature, to the point that they have "mystery shoppers" go in to see if workers do anything remotely resembling copyright infringement. Just ignore 'em and do it on the self-serve. They're also trained not to bug you about that. I used to work there. Gotta understand where they're coming from: it's a McJob; a potential lawsuit really ain't worth the hassle. - -Marc "Heard joke once. Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world. Doctor says, "Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears and says, "But doctor...I am Pagliacci." -Rorschach - -----Original Message----- From: Davide Mana To: deltagreen@nocturne.org Date: Monday, April 20, 1998 11:35 PM Subject: Re: DG:Whaaug! (on copying books) >Greetings. > >Just this morning a photocopy shop by the University (I'm a regular >customer) refused to copy me a few pages off one of _my_ books. >"No..." said the young woman there, shaking her head vehemently "we do not >copy books anymore". >I imagined that either the copiright infringment fines are pretty stiff, or >(remembering some of the last DG-list messages) they have been copying >eldritch tomes with some nasty side-effect. > >This made me to remember an old science fiction story by the late Fredric >Brown: it is called "Etaoin Shrdlu" (1942) and it is a very short piece >telling the consequences of using an old linotype to compose a misthic tome. >I guess you guys might like to take a look at it, as it relates directly to >the pros and cons of copying/typesetting arcane knowledge with (relatively) >modern technology, but covers the thing from a different angle - and it is >fun (like most by F. Brown). >It shuld be collected in "The best of Fredric Brown", but I'm not sure (I >have the Italian edition of the complete short stories). If you are >interested and are unable to find it, I might post you a summary. > >And this is it. >Take care. > > Davide Mana > Torino, Italy > doctor.dee@iol.it > ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V1 #10 *******************************