From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V1 #23 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Monday, May 11 1998 Volume 01 : Number 023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:00:18 -0500 (CDT) From: "G. Wyckoff" Subject: Re: DG: Music I'm going to make a plea for "Murder Ballads" by Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds. Some of the songs are downright eerie, some are just bizarre, but when your troupe brings out the heavy fire power, or is going up against a crazed cultist, some of the songs are scarily apt. Also, their is an RCA CD out as part of it's "Classical" collection which has on it "scary" classical music. Hoaky, but the collection has some merit. Having said that, Modeste Mossurski (I know, I spelled that incorrectly) has some great, rippingly powerful pieces which will certainly get your investigators in the mood. I can't speak enough for juxtaposition, either. I had a group (in a Vampire game) walk into a bar. I was playing some generic ambient to set the mood, and than switched it abruptly to U2's "End of the World" as one of the protagonists walked in. The music was not scary, but the abrupt change had them all acting paranoid for the next half hour. Jerry gwyckoff@midway.uchicago.edu Committee on Genetics U of Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 12:06:40 -0400 From: Clark Wallace Subject: DG: RE: Music I have to recommend the soundtrack for The Silence of the Lambs. Dark and moody, with no exciting spikes (mood killers if they happen at the wrong time). I also use ambient music by a band called Lull, who produce dark ambient music filled with low droning tones. Although a bit cheesey at times, the soundtrack for The X files (not the inspired compellation) has some good spots on it (I took selections from it for use). Lastly, the soundtrack for The Seventh Seal (or Sign, whichever was the one with Demi Moore, not the B/W Swedish(?) production) is very good. - -----Original Message----- From: Aaron [mailto:aaron@solidtechnology.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 5:31 PM To: Delta Green List Subject: DG: Music Looking for good mood music for Delta Green sessions. Best CD I have found so far is Crisis NTI "The Alien Conspiracy" (( NTI stands for Non-Terrestrial Intelligence I believe. )) - - Hythian - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 12:13:00 -0700 From: Stephen Parks Subject: Re: DG: Music G. Wyckoff wrote: > I'm going to make a plea for "Murder Ballads" by Nick Cave and the Bad > Seeds. Some of the songs are downright eerie, some are just bizarre, but > when your troupe brings out the heavy fire power, or is going up against a > crazed cultist, some of the songs are scarily apt. So very true. Now, I'm curious about something. How much do people key their music to the locales that the investigators visit? What I'm getting at is that music is a lot more pervasive in the '90s than in the '20s, right? So does anyone have any good ideas for subverting the music that would normally be present in a locale? For instance, if the investigators were to visit a sports stadium of some kind, what kind of music would you use that might seem like generic rock anthems but is actually subtly disturbing? What would you use to subvert that stuff they play at shopping malls? If the investigators were to venture into Club Apocalypse, what tracks would you drop on the turntables? Or for generic CoC, what do you play when the investigators stumble into various areas of the Dreamlands? Stephen. ------------------------------ Date: 7 May 98 10:20 GMT From: FRANK M ADAMS Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=5b2=5d: DG: Re: Music?= Someone posted some music ideas that included the X-Files soundtrack. I accidentally destroyed this post and would appreciate if someone could send me a copy at: frank.m.adams@slchicago.infonet.com Thanks in advance. Frank of Cell F ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:15:15 -0400 From: graemep@immag.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: Re: DG: Music >Looking for good mood music for Delta Green sessions. I couldn't let this one go past without saying something. A couple of years ago I made up my own compilation tape of various appropriate tracks for standard CoC. Can't remember everything on it (it had a fatal accident in a cheap stereo), but highlights included: "The end" - The Doors (ala. Apocalypse Now) "Sorrow" - Pink Floyd Something or other by the Sisters of Mercy (possibly "this corrosion") and (just after a quiet track - "Red Rain" by Peter Gabriel IIRC), it burst straight into "They're coming to take me away (Ha, Ha!)" by Napoleon XVI... which took some tracking down, but fit in perfectly with the amount of SAN loss the party had just taken! The original Batman (not the ghastly Prince [or slightly egyptian looking squiggle as he now calls himself, or not as the case may be - wait a second, Prince as an avatar of Nyarlathotep... think about it, it has potential!] catterwauling!) and Bladerunner soundtracks are good too. Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 18:25:35 +0100 (BST) From: Olly Subject: Re: DG: Music > Having said that, Modeste Mossurski (I know, I spelled that > incorrectly) has some great, rippingly powerful pieces which will > certainly get your investigators in the mood. Mussorgsky's "Night on the Bare Mountain". Scares the tar out of my players every time. :) I've got it on a double album (EMI, I think) with Carl Orff's "Carmina Burana", which is _perfect_ for those big climatic summoning-ritual scenes. Also in the apocalyptic classical vein, look out for Grieg's "Hall of the Mountain King" and Holst's "Mars". - ---------------------- Olly ods196@soton.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:37:07 EDT From: Pagan Art Subject: Re: Re: DG: Music Check these out: The Dead Zone Soundtrack by Michael Kamen (the first track is the ultimate in chase music), The Private Music of Tangerine Dream (includes various selections from this bands many projects including "Atlas Eyes", "After the Call" and "Sailing down Cahuenga") Also, a great ambience band is Stereolab, their music sets a fine mood without being intrusive (most of the lyrics are sung in French). by Stereolab: Emperor Tomato Ketchup, Dots and Loops and Mars Audiac Quintet. Also the soundtrack to the marvelous Lovecraft film, the Resurrected... Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:57:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Newquist Subject: DG: ADMIN: Mucking around. Hey, Due to a maintenance event, a couple posts sent to this list in the last hour or so went into a black hole. My apologies. I assure you, this wasn't an operation of any significance. Did I say "operation"? I meant "mailing list maintenance muckery". All is well. Over and out. - -j - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Newquist The acid test is whether you take any pleasure in jason@nocturne.org responding to the question 'What do you do?' Nocturne Research - Metropolitan (1990) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:27:23 -0500 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ricardo_J._M=E9ndez?=" Subject: Re: DG: Re: Re: Music >Dead Can Dance is not "Irish". The principals are Australian, one of which >(Brendan Perry) has relocated to the UK, where he lives in a converted >church that functions as both home and recording studio. Err... my fault. For some reason I believed they were. But on any case, Dead Can Dance is an excellent group and you would do well to check it out even if you don't use music with your sessions. It's quite inspiring. Ricardo J. Méndez rmendez@geocities.com PGP Fingerprint: 8D9A 2B53 5631 4594 DE6D 69DF 3DCA 37E0 C27A 4EAB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 18:36:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: Re: DG: Music In my previous post in this thread, I mentioned that I like Orb as background music. I was thinking of "S.A.L.T." on Orblivion, but I can't believe I forgot about U.F.Orb. When I play that, I usually just let the entire album play the whole way through. More dance-ish than Orb's ambient stuff, but still good if kept at low volume. Another to keep in mind is "The Box" by Orbital, on The Box EP... very eerie and distant-sounding, especially the second section. Scares the hell out of my players. And that's my two cents. Andrew D. Gable agable@falcon.lhup.edu The CryptoWeb: www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/7270/ "Well, you've got to admit that if that is a woman, it does look as if she's been beaten with an ugly stick." -Austin Powers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 17:56:46 -0500 From: "R. Michael Dukes" Subject: DG: RE-music The Rising Sun soundtrack (tracks3-14) is great for an eerie mood. Also, if you're in a strip club... White Zombie's More Human than Human. Yes, I got the idea from Millenium.:) Agent McCord ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:36:00 +0900 From: ft203004@fsinet.or.jp (Jay and Mikiko Noyes) Subject: Re: DG: Music >For instance, if the investigators were to visit a sports stadium of some >kind, what kind of music would you use that might seem like generic rock >anthems but is actually subtly disturbing? There are couple of songs by queen: Another one bites the dust and We will Rock You (probably not real name). >Or for generic CoC, what do you play when the investigators stumble into >various areas of the Dreamlands? Don't laugh, but I've used the soundtrack to Heavy Metal in some places. More "everyday" settings usually require something more medieval. The Dreamlands aren't horror so much as fantasy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:43:02 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: RE: DG: Re: Re: Music >Either Twin >Peaks CDs are good as well > >I would reccomend 'Passion', Peter Gabriel's soundtrack for the Last >Temptation of Christ (also used alot for my Jorune games in the past). >It uses alot of Arabic/Middle East sounds and can be very eerie and >earthy at the same time... Absolutely. Id like to add just about anything by Dead Can Dance, especially as a lot of their older stuff has a strong Middle Eastern flavor to it. Very culty at times. At one point I was cuing up tracks for the entrance of certain characters. In one game, I would start a very soft Tibetan throat-chant on the CD player whenever this Byakhee, which had been harrying them all through the game, would show up. It was very quiet, almost unnoticable above the background din of jabbering players, but after the first couple of times, theyd suddenly get real quiet when they noticed it. Then WHAM--one of them is on the ground with his back ripped wide open! The Byakhee flies off into the night, cackling, and the throat-chants die down as the players all start pulling out their guns and diving for cover. Sweet. But a lot of extra work. David Farnell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 07:00:26 GMT From: "It Is I" Subject: DG: Music If your looking for an ambient background check out "Symphonies of the Planets". This is a 5 cd set of recordings from the Voyager probe. They are the sounds the probe sent back, and the sounds range from just noise and strange beeps to sounding like the wind and birds. Plus if you have a five disk changer your set for the night. You'll have to hunt for a deal on the set. Major stores (BlockBuster, the Wherehouse) are selling them at $10 per cd, but I found the set of 5 at Costco for $10 total. Andy "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence. or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - -Dr. Hunter S. Thompson ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:49:33 +0900 From: ft203004@fsinet.or.jp (Jay and Mikiko Noyes) Subject: Re: DG: Music And, while we're on the topic of music, I would like to point out that the usefulness of a CD player with a multiple CD-rack cannot be overstated. Jay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:57:35 +0100 From: NICK Subject: DG: Music right, now all that's out the way, I can concentrate on the real issues - like what music is appropriate for various Delta Green settings. well, I'll start with Club Apocalypse. Basically, I think that Charnel Dreams sound like the shitest band I've ever heard of; why someone like Belial, whose hung out with Lennon, Joplin and Hendrix wants to waste his time with tossers like them is beyond me. So i won't even try and seek out a band bad enough to fit my preconception of what they'd really be like. Instead I feel that generally, Club Apocalypse is quite a cool and eclectic place. So my money's on Sonic Youth - "Daydream Nation" The Beastie Boys - "Check your Head" and the last Wu-tang clan album. For wandering around urban jungles generally, I reckon a lot of unobtrusive drum & bass - Alex Reece, Wax Doctor - maybe a bit of Goldie; interspersed by mean and moody trip hop ( Tricky - -"Pre-millenium Tension" and Massive Attack - "Mezanine"). still thinking about a day in the country, but I think it's probably break out the soundtracks time, as so many others have suggested.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 12:18:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Edson Subject: Re:Re: DG: Music In a similar vein, but not in a CoC campaign, I used Diamanda Galas' "Plague Mass" to stand in for the ravings of an insane cult leader presiding over a ritual. Paul. "If you promise not to mention me in YOUR autobiography, I'll promise to ignore you in mine..." pedson@erols.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 12:05:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Colonel Panic Subject: Re: DG: Music On Fri, 8 May 1998, Jay and Mikiko Noyes wrote: > > And, while we're on the topic of music, I would like to point out that the > usefulness of a CD player with a multiple CD-rack cannot be overstated. > > Jay As an experimental musician, I tend to bring /all/ of my gear into play when running a game (which I haven't done in waaaaaay to long...) 5 rack cd player, single rack cd, turntable, cassette, 4-track, ethnic and found instruments and a nice compliment of signal processing stuff. Y'see, what we used to to was divide up to duties and run two Keepers. One handles basic rules interaction exclusively, the other takes care of atmospherics, and they share the load of portraying NPCs. It takes a little planning and a lot of work to pull off but trust me - it works. Try it if you can...we scared the bejeezus out of a few gaming groups before my partner in crime moved away ::sniff:: !panic! - -- "True: currently undergoing tests to see if dementia is setting in. ...the clock is ticking... ...the audience is listening... ...are you my mother?..." - Fell Head ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 00:57:16 +0100 From: NICK Subject: DG: the lloigor: this time it's personal I recently posted a message asking anyone if they had any decent ideas about the use of the lloigor in an ongoing campaign on this list. Everyone was very helpful, and one or two people pointed me in the direction of the tales of terror site (cheers) wherein which there's several scenario ideas concerning them. So; here's what I came up with;- There was a story in there about Scarlett fever; a rare and nasty disease that causes the blood to jellify in your veins due to the gradual dissolution of your flesh underneath your skin. One of the suggested explenations is that this is down to the 'occupation' of the victims body by a lloigor. So my players have destroyed the village of Ravensfarme in Northumbria; a veritable battery of occult power for the lloigor. The players are still completely oblivious to the involvement of the lloigor; even when they appeared in dragon/sea serpent mode they were convinced they were dealing with deep ones; anyway, the lloigor have agents working within human society. These lonely souls are of course, all quite mad. They have no idea there is an alien stral being occuping their bodies, hinting they are capable of great power and urging them to do things they would normallynot. Four or five of these boys sent on down to London should keep the players occupied, I should think... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 17:27:20 -0700 From: Neil Laughlin Subject: DG: Ghouls Here's a question I hope someone on the list can answer: what's the origin of the ghoul god Mordiggian? The last time I looked, he didn't appear in the Encyclopedia Cthulhiana [sp?] (which I might add is an incredible jewel of research, since I thought I saw the author around here). Is he a Pagan Pubs creation? Neil Laughlin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:00:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: Re: DG: Ghouls Anybody else out there, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Mordiggian was originally created by our good ol' pal CAS, in one of his Zothique tales, I believe (BTW, looking at an old atlas th'other day I discovered a town in Quebec called St.-Zotique or something). I was surprised the Encyclopedia glossed over Mordiggian, myself. It does mention Thasaidon, another Zothique-god. As a side-note, I seem to recall reading that the lizard-monster Hagarg Ryonis, from the "Dreamlands" book, appeared in a story by CAS. True? And that's my two cents. Andrew D. Gable agable@falcon.lhup.edu The CryptoWeb: www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/7270/ "Well, you've got to admit that if that is a woman, it does look as if she's been beaten with an ugly stick." -Austin Powers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:02:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: DG: Prions & DNA & Mad Cow Disease, Oh My Funny thing this just popped up now, but on tonite's episode of Millennium they discussed all of the above. In reference, of course, to an apocalyptic prophecy... thought it was neat. And that's my two cents. Andrew D. Gable agable@falcon.lhup.edu The CryptoWeb: www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/7270/ "Well, you've got to admit that if that is a woman, it does look as if she's been beaten with an ugly stick." -Austin Powers ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 00:51:34 EDT From: TUO Subject: Re: Re: DG: Ghouls Mordiggian does figure promenantly in the story "The Charnel God" by Clark Ashton Smith. This story along with others by CAS can be found in the anthology Tales of Zothique put out by Necronomicon Press. Mordiggian dwells within a temple in the city of Zul-Bha-Sair, and is served by a cult of ghoul priests. Informers at Pagan Publishing inform me that their campaign "The Realm of Shadows" deals heavily with this cult. - -Agent Poe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 01:57:00 -0400 From: Ngo Vinh-Hoi Subject: DG: Deep Ones on "Buffy" (sorta spoilers) Hey all you Americanskis, Did you all catch the guest shot by our friendly neighborhood Deep Ones (sorta) on this week's "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"? Even had the whole longing for the sea/transformation thing down. The mutation into Deep Ones in this case was triggered by aromatherapy of all things. For all you foreigners or others who missed the episode, maybe you can do a websearch for the official "Buffy" website, which should have a synopsis and may even eventually even list dates for repeat showings. Best, Hoi hoi@pipeline.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 11:04:16 -0400 From: Daniel Harms Subject: Re: DG: Ghouls At 05:27 PM 5/8/98 -0700, you wrote: > >Here's a question I hope someone on the list can answer: what's the origin >of the ghoul god Mordiggian? The last time I looked, he didn't appear in >the Encyclopedia Cthulhiana [sp?] (which I might add is an incredible >jewel of research, since I thought I saw the author around here). Is >he a Pagan Pubs creation? Much as I would love to attribute Mordiggian to Pagan Publishing, they didn't make it up. Mordiggian turned up first in Clark Ashton Smith's short story "The Charnel God", which you can find in Necronomicon Press' _Zothique_ book. (And in case you were wondering, I didn't include ol' M. in the first edition because he didn't seem to overlap at all with the Cthulhu Mythos. Now that he's gained in popularity, he's definitely in the second edition.) Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu "Fie on the immortality of cast-iron lawn deer!" -- H. P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 11:19:54 -0400 From: Daniel Harms Subject: Re: DG: Ghouls At 10:00 PM 5/8/98 -0400, you wrote: > >Anybody else out there, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Mordiggian >was originally created by our good ol' pal CAS, in one of his Zothique >tales, I believe Yep. "The Charnel God". > I was surprised the Encyclopedia glossed over Mordiggian, myself. It > does mention Thasaidon, another Zothique-god. This was actually due to personal preference, something which often creeps into supposedly standard reference works. I think I took him out in the second edition. >As a side-note, I seem to recall reading that the lizard-monster Hagarg >Ryonis, from the "Dreamlands" book, appeared in a story by CAS. True? As best I can tell, it's a 100% Chaosium creation. Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu "Fie on the immortality of cast-iron lawn deer!" -- H. P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 12:18:38 -0400 From: graemep@immag.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: Re: DG: the lloigor: this time it's personal >NICK Wrote: > >There was a story in there about Scarlett fever; Rhett! Rhett! (sorry) >a rare and nasty disease that causes the blood to jellify in your veins >due to >the gradual dissolution of your flesh underneath your skin. I wonder if they mean Scarlet Fever (or Scarlatina), which is a very real disease caused by B-Streptococci bacteria (or so conventional medicine would have you beleive) which secrete a toxin that causes the scarlet fever rash which is typical of the disease. Check out any good medical or bacteriology text for details. A more severe form of the disease exists (called scarlatina haemorrhagica) which is more severe and usually fatal, where haemorrhages (bleeding) occur in the skin and mucous membranes. Whilst Scarlet fever is rare nowadays, it was a major killer before antibiotics (i.e. the 1920's) and was responsible for may neonatal deaths and deaths of mothers following childbirth. Since penicillin (to which all B-Streps are sensitive - thankfully), there has been a massive drop in the number of cases of scarlet fever. Of course this could all be due to diminished Lloigor activity, and the invention of penicillin might just be a weird coincidence.... Cheers Graeme Graeme Price PhD. Program in Molecular Immunology Institute of Molecular Medicine & Genetics Medical College of Georgia 1120 15th Street, CB-2803 Augusta, Georgia 30912-3175 U.S.A. Tel(lab): (+001) 706-721-8883 Fax: (+001) 706-721-8732 E-mail: graemep@immag.mcg.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 19:26:04 From: Davide Mana Subject: DG: (Possibly) Interesting Book Sighted Greetings, ladies and gentlemen. I just found a SF novel called "Area 51", by Robert Doherty (was published by Dell in the USA) - the italian edition is really inexpensive and I decided to take a look at it. I'm about 70 pages in the story at the moment and I have already encountered: - - Area 51/Groom Lake/Dreamland (it figures... with a title like that) - - Majestic 12 (obviously) - - NRO DELTA (oho!) - - German Thulegeselschaft (sp?) activity in Egypt, 1942 - - Atlantis - - M.mme Blavatsky - - PAPERCLIP There should be no Mythos connection, but at the rate it's going, I might just find Big C. himself somewhere in it along with the kitchen sink. Who knows? I've been unable to track further data about the author. The book is just all-right (but that's strictly IMHO, and might still take a turn for the worst), but as a condensated source of inspiration for further adventures might be worth taking a look at. And this is it. I just figured someone might like the info. Take Care Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 13:48:56 -0500 From: Jeff McSpadden Subject: DG: Modern encryption This webpage of mathmatecal error has an excellent simple description of how modern encryption works and why they are so htrd to break. http://www.psn.net/~xocxoc/math/glmaterr.htm Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 16:10:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: Re: DG: the lloigor: this time it's personal On Sat, 9 May 1998, Graeme Price wrote: > bacteriology text for details. A more severe form of the disease exists > (called scarlatina haemorrhagica) which is more severe and usually fatal, > where haemorrhages (bleeding) occur in the skin and mucous membranes. This sounds very much like the prion-illness on Millennium. For anyone who didn't see it, it dealt with an (IMHO) Ebola-like disease which caused you to bleed from everywhere (hence tie-ins w/ Biblical prophecies of 'sweating blood'). I believe it was controlled by a prion which everyone has, but certain people were given a genetic treatment which prevented the prion from activating and thus the disease wouldn't have effect on them. I believe they said something on the show about prions normally having no RNA or something like that. BTW, the doctor on the episode specifically mentioned encephalopathy (was that what the scientific name for mad cow disease was?). This new strain had an incubation period of only a few seconds, as opposed to the (years? months?) for mad cow. And that's my two cents. Andrew D. Gable agable@falcon.lhup.edu The CryptoWeb: www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/7270/ "Well, you've got to admit that if that is a woman, it does look as if she's been beaten with an ugly stick." -Austin Powers ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 18:45:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: DG: New DG Just a quick question. I'm sure there's some people from Pagan on the list, and I was just wondering what the new Delta Green book (Countdown?) will be concerning. I may want to get it... And that's my two cents. Andrew D. Gable agable@falcon.lhup.edu The CryptoWeb: www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/7270/ "Well, you've got to admit that if that is a woman, it does look as if she's been beaten with an ugly stick." -Austin Powers ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 15:24:40 -1000 (HST) From: Til Eulenspiegel Subject: Re: DG: New DG At 18:45 -0400 09 05 98, Andrew D. Gable wrote: >Just a quick question. I'm sure there's some people from Pagan on the >list, and I was just wondering what the new Delta Green book (Countdown?) >will be concerning. I may want to get it... > Here you go. X-Authentication-Warning: zuul.org: majordom set sender to owner-deltagreen@nocturne.org using -f From: Pagan Art Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 22:52:39 EDT To: deltagreen@nocturne.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: DG: About DELTA GREEN: COUNTDOWN Sender: owner-deltagreen@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Delta Green List This monster of a book is shaping up to outdistance its predecessor by 50 pages or more(God help us all). It is scheduled (as much as anything here can be) for a release at GENCON. Final drafts for much of the book are already in. Some artwork is already finished. Blair Reynolds will be painting the cover. Toren Atkinson, me (Dennis, for those who don't know me, hi!), John Snyder and Heather Hudson will be illustrating the tome. The featured writers will be Adam Scott Glancy, John Tynes, myself and Greg Stoltze. So far the book will include (subject to change and expansion): A profile of the Soviet GRU paranormal division A profile of PISCES, the British answer to DELTA GREEN Phenomen-X, a source article on an annoying TV show which LOVES the paranormal a source article on The American Museum of Natural History D Stacks, where the unclassifiable artifacts go... The Keepers of the Faith, a source article on the dwindling Ghoul population of New York City and the Redhook cult OUTLOOK Group, a source article on MJ-12's brainwashing division The Skoptsi, a source article on a Russian Shub-Niggurath cult Also included as source materials will be the entirety of the Cult of Transcendence Scenarios: Well, we have several, including: One involving a hound of tindalos eating its way through club kids in Chicago, a scenario where Carcosa springs up in the upper floors of an artists commune in New York, one involving a animated dog's head found in the mail plus (hopefully), many more. The book is shaping up to be a monster as I have said. Keep all your fingers and toes crossed, and keep the emails for the list coming, they certainly help our productivity. It's nice to know you're not just spewing your soul into some void. Dennis Detwiller Art Director/Writer/Silly Rabbit/Second Gunman Pagan Publishing Hope it helps. Til Eulenspiegel , Sometimes the delete key is your best friend. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 00:02:55 EDT From: Escutcheon Subject: Re: DG: the lloigor: this time it's personal Graeme wrote, in reference to the Tale of Terror "Scarlet Fever": << I wonder if they mean Scarlet Fever (or Scarlatina), which is a very real disease caused by B-Streptococci bacteria (or so conventional medicine would have you beleive) which secrete a toxin that causes the scarlet fever rash which is typical of the disease. Check out any good medical or bacteriology text for details. A more severe form of the disease exists (called scarlatina haemorrhagica) which is more severe and usually fatal, where haemorrhages (bleeding) occur in the skin and mucous membranes. >> The illness in "Scarlet Fever" isn't the "real" scarlet fever, it is another illness with similar symptoms. This could be used as a story hook in a DG setting. Law enforcement investigators could look into deaths that look like poisonings disguised as an exotic illness. Disease control officials could try to find the vector used by an odd new strain of disease. Y'r. Obdt. Servant, - - J. Frederick MacKenzie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 22:15:57 -0500 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ricardo_J._M=E9ndez?=" Subject: DG: Re: Modern encryption The only glitch in the document is that it points out that PGP is available only to US and Canadian citizens, which fortunately is not true. Anyone can get the latest PGP version at The International PGP Home Page http://www.pgpi.com/ There are versions for all tastes and OSes. Cheers, Ricardo J. Méndez rmendez@geocities.com PGP Fingerprint: 8D9A 2B53 5631 4594 DE6D 69DF 3DCA 37E0 C27A 4EAB - -----Original Message----- From: Jeff McSpadden To: Delta Green List Date: Saturday, May 09, 1998 1:53 PM Subject: DG: Modern encryption >This webpage of mathmatecal error has an excellent simple description of >how modern encryption works and why they are so htrd to break. > >http://www.psn.net/~xocxoc/math/glmaterr.htm > > >Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 16:28:04 GMT0BST From: Robert Thomas Subject: Re: DG: Re: Modern encryption > The only glitch in the document is that it points out that PGP is available > only to US and Canadian citizens, which fortunately is not true. Anyone can > get the latest PGP version at > > The International PGP Home Page http://www.pgpi.com/ > > There are versions for all tastes and OSes. > > Cheers, > > > > Ricardo J. Mendez > rmendez@geocities.com Hello All, The PGP home page won't let you get the American version of PGP 5 if you live outside the USA / Canada. You can get the full version from several sites which I can't remember at present. These should be listed somewhere in alt.security.pgp or you could just ask for them. Hypothetically if you have real trouble finding it then just hypothetically you could e-mail me and I could Hypothetically sort something out ;) Rob. J.R.E.Thomas. Science Library PC Room Advisor ext 6135 / 5128. MScII City and Regional Planning Student. ThomasR@cardiff.ac.uk ~~When life hands you lemons, break out the tequila and salt!~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 08:40:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Bowman Subject: Re: DG: (Possibly) Interesting Book Sighted On Sat, 9 May 1998, Davide Mana wrote: > I just found a SF novel called "Area 51", by Robert Doherty (was published > by Dell in the USA) - the italian edition is really inexpensive and I > decided to take a look at it. A sequel to this novel came out a few months ago. It's called _The Reply_. I only glanced at it briefly so I don't know what it's about. Michael Bowman bvmi@odin.cc.pdx.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:48:45 -0800 From: Gareth Wood Subject: Re: DG: Deep Ones on "Buffy" (sorta spoilers) Ngo Vinh-Hoi wrote: > Hey all you Americanskis, > > Did you all catch the guest shot by our friendly neighborhood Deep Ones > (sorta) on this week's "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"? Even had the whole > longing for the sea/transformation thing down. The mutation into Deep Ones > in this case was triggered by aromatherapy of all things. For all you > foreigners or others who missed the episode, maybe you can do a websearch > for the official "Buffy" website, which should have a synopsis and may even > eventually even list dates for repeat showings. > > Best, > > Hoi > hoi@pipeline.com There have been several cthulhu inspired moments on that show. Anyone see the one with the psuedo-shoggoth in the pit? Creepy! Long live the Slayer! Gareth - -- "On second thought, let us not go to Z'Ha'Dum. It is a silly place." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 10:52:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Usul <_conspiracy_@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: DG: Re: Modern encryption So does it sniff your IP address to determine you location? If so maybe a IP Spoofer would work..... > The PGP home page won't let you get the American version of PGP 5 if > you live outside the USA / Canada. You can get the full version from > several sites which I can't remember at present. These should be > listed somewhere in alt.security.pgp or you could just ask for them. > Hypothetically if you have real trouble finding it then just > hypothetically you could e-mail me and I could Hypothetically sort > something out ;) == Paranoia X http://www.geocities.com/area51/rampart/1349/ Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes - Who Watches The Watchman "Success is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" - Winston Churchill _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 18:36:31 -0400 From: Daniel Harms Subject: DG: Government Salaries Does anyone know how much government employees from the various agencies are paid? Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu "Fie on the immortality of cast-iron lawn deer!" -- H. P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 22:36:38 -0500 From: "Matt C" Subject: DG: Re: Music >tend to play the new Massive attack album, "Mezzanine" at the minute. >Class. Generally I like just about anything by 'Coil; or the soundtrack to "The Thing" for 1920's games I really like the soundtrack from "Angel Heart". - -Matt C ------------------------------ Date: 11 May 98 08:54 GMT From: FRANK M ADAMS Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=5b2=5d: DG: Re: Deep Ones =26 DNA - A new Horrific approach?= <<<< I have a few ideas, if anyone really > wants to hear my speculation about how to keep it within the realm of > possibility, e-mail me. I think this sort of thing is interesting enough to discuss on the list, actually. Scientific or quasi-scientific explanations for the Mythos seem to be the cup of tea of certain groups >> Please _do_ keep the discussion on the list, I'm enjoying it greatly. Shane Ivey>> I just wanted to interject something to this excellent and very interesting discussion. (Sorry to be posting late, but I don't get to check mail as often as I'd like.) Warning: I know nothing of genetics and very little of biology. End Warning. Rather than actually breeding with humans what if (I think there are some species that do this) the Deep Ones are hermaphradites(sp? usage?) and have both male and female characteristics and some have the ability to produce an already fertilized egg. The Deep One then "mates" with a human female and injects the fertilized egg (and a bunch of cellular material if necessary) into her and it finds it's way to her womb displacing whatever egg might be there. The female then becomes the host for the Deep One progeny. Maybe the Deep Ones can't have children on their own and have to use other races to carry their children, perhaps even impregnating sharks, dolphins, small whales, apes, etc. Also, the eggs could be highly sophisticated. The Deep One's DNA can "read" host DNA and mimic it's characteristics to insure survival in the birth environment and that the offspring would resemble the mother and she would care for it like one her own (eliminating the Deep One's need to raise the offspring). This would allow the Deep One to be born human (or whatever), but the DNA is only a really good copy of human DNA. Later on, when it's time to go home (determined by a variety of triggers or even a type of racial summons), the Deep One DNA kicks into high gear and changes the being (morphing/mutating/transforming/whatever) into it's true Deep One form. Since the Deep Ones are a mythos race and beyond regular laws of genetics this would offer a more plausible explanation (well at least it sounds good to me and my players) for the breeding stock rationalizations. Plus it gives the Deep Ones a unique perspective on the livestyles, habits and capabilities of other races they deal with regularly (a sort of Deep Cover Spy so to speak). It also lends a greater level of horrific alien-ness to this already creepy mythos race. One more reason to fear'em, hate'em and respect'em This is the explanation I've taken for my campaigns and it works great. The characters always freak out when they find a hidden oceanside breeding den of kidnapped host women - all crippled and mute so that they can't escape and swollen with Deep One offspring. Kept alive in hideous isolation babbling and disfigured for the Deep One's terrible purposes. Shudders and groans all around the table every time. What to do? Put them out of their misery or try to help however they can. Not to mention the player reactions in adventures when the occaisional beached whale or dolphin gives birth to something "not meant for this earth". I've based whole adventures around Greenpeace-type help expeditions gone awry. I'd love to go into more details, but I've limited time and I'm sure you all get the idea. Let me know what you think (especially you brilliant geneticists out there). I'd welcome any input that help my theories gain validity (or at least sound more scientific). May you never see what finally eats you, Frank Adams frank.m.adams@slchicago.infonet.com ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V1 #23 *******************************