From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V1 #24 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Friday, May 15 1998 Volume 01 : Number 024 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:04:56 -0500 From: "David A. Shepherd" Subject: DG: Re: Music Greetings All, My group plays at night, starting at dark and playing sometimes until dawn. I have found that using relaxation tracks adds greatly to the atmosphere. For instance, I have a set of CD's that contain lengthy uninterrupted tracks of thunderstorms, rain, pounding surf, etc. Some of them also have haunting melodies blending in with the sound of the rain or surf. I once used a thunderstorm track during a CoC session during a summer night and it became obvious that everyone soon forgot that it was a dry, hot night outside beyond the curtains. Turn up the air conditioer to add a chill and the effect is on it's way! Nightstar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:27:30 -0500 From: "David A. Shepherd" Subject: Re: DG: ADMIN: Mucking around. At 02:57 PM 5/7/98 -0700, you wrote: >Hey, > >Due to a maintenance event, a couple posts sent to this list in the last >hour or so went into a black hole. > >My apologies. I assure you, this wasn't an operation of any significance. > >Did I say "operation"? I meant "mailing list maintenance muckery". > >All is well. Over and out. > >-j > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Jason Newquist The acid test is whether you take any pleasure in >jason@nocturne.org responding to the question 'What do you do?' >Nocturne Research - Metropolitan (1990) > > Are THEY at it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:12:50 -0700 From: Neil Laughlin Subject: Re: DG: Ghouls On Sat, May 09, 1998 at 11:04:16AM -0400, Daniel Harms wrote: > Much as I would love to attribute Mordiggian to Pagan Publishing, > they didn't make it up. Mordiggian turned up first in Clark Ashton Smith's > short story "The Charnel God", which you can find in Necronomicon > Press' _Zothique_ book. Thanks for the citation! > (And in case you were wondering, I didn't include ol' M. in the > first edition because he didn't seem to overlap at all with the Cthulhu > Mythos. > Now that he's gained in popularity, he's definitely in the second edition.) Out of curiosity, when will the second edition be hitting the shelves? I imagine I could track it down on Chaosium's site, but I bet I'm not the only party curious about this question. Neil Laughlin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:32:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel M Harms Subject: Re: DG: Ghouls On Mon, 11 May 1998, Neil Laughlin wrote: > Out of curiosity, when will the second edition be hitting the shelves? I > imagine I could track it down on Chaosium's site, but I bet I'm not > the only party curious about this question. The second edition of the Encyclopedia is supposed to be out some time this month. I haven't seen it yet, though. Yrs., Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:53:40 +0100 (BST) From: Wise Blood Subject: DG: (spoilers!) Ghouls, Dip Ones, and that charming Mr Alzis Hiya everyone A few points/suggestions/queries: > Rather than actually breeding with humans what if (I think there are some > species that do this) the Deep Ones are hermaphradites(sp? usage?) and have both > male and female characteristics and some have the ability to produce an already > fertilized egg. > The Deep One then "mates" with a human female and injects the fertilized egg > (and a bunch of cellular material if necessary) into her and it finds it's way > to her womb displacing whatever egg might be there. The female then becomes the > host for the Deep One progeny. > Maybe the Deep Ones can't have children on their own and have to use other races > to carry their children, perhaps even impregnating sharks, dolphins, small > whales, apes, etc. Sounds very much like the creature in the "Alien" films - remember how in Alien3 it uses a dog as a host as well as using humans? Concerning the recent flurry of emails about the connection between the process of becoming a ghoul and ritual (Mythos-related) cannibalism; I notice that none of the excellent ideas put forward so far can fully explain the case of the SS-Karotechia's Reinhald Galt (nor his Anzique mentors for that matter). How come he gets to maintain his eternal youth and Ubermensch physique, while all other consumers of "long pig" end up as warped degenerates gibbering and meeping in the shadows? It's so unfair! :) Lastly, if anyone has any ideas on linking the Fate / Club Apocalypse with Majestic-12, it'd be great. The Big "N" seems to be the obvious choice, since He pulls the strings behind both the Fate (more-or-less directly) and MJ-12 (indirectly, through the Mi-Go via the Greys). Any other ideas? Thanx Olly - ---------------------------------------------------------- "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. Equally, just because you AREN'T paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you." - ---------------------------------------------------------- Wise Blood ods196@soton.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 98 17:44:18 -0700 From: Joseph Camp Subject: DG: DG Web Site Agents & Case Officers, We'll be updating the Delta Green web site with new material later this week. Although we have a number of items generated internally and some submissions, I'd like to make two requests of the members of this list. 1) If you'd like to write up something for the web site--an agent profile, a report from the field, etc.--we're always looking for submissions. Just drop me an email. 2) If you've posted some sort of DG document to this list and would like to see it included on the web site, just send me email giving me permission and I'll retreive the documents from the list archives for processing. It won't take any work on your part besides giving me permission. Among other things, the situation with our present investigation in the United Kingdom is looking grave. Expect an important bulletin on the web site by the end of this week. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:23:09 -0400 From: "Kaminari" Subject: DG: Re: Prions? - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Edson To: deltagreen@nocturne.org Date: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 12:36 PM Subject: DG: Prions? >The brief discussion of prions has given me as a keeper all sorts of evil thoughts. Are there any articles reasonably suited to a reasonably well-read generalist that would lay out the current state of the research? > >Thanks, >Paul. The series NOVA had an episode called "The Brain Eater" (even the title sounds Lovecraftian). Seems to sum up all the current research reguarding prions. The site : http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/madcow/ . P.S. I think the Prions with DNA/RNA on Millenium are preposterous. Then again, they STILL don't know what this bleeding plague is & it might be something else entirely. Seems to always follow in the wake of dead birds however... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:13:44 +0100 From: NICK Subject: Re: DG: MJ-12, The Fate, etc. <>>> the obvious connection would be that someone at MJ-12, possibly a board member, possibly someone a little lower frequented Club Apocalypse - in particular the downstairs rooms. The Fate could keep him in the dark about a lot of the stuff that goes on down there, but use him for his influence. There's also the possibility that one of MJ-12's front companies also have the Fate, or one of their sattelite criminal organisations as a common shareholder. - ---------------------------------------------------------- "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. Equally, just because you AREN'T paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you." - ---------------------------------------------------------- Wise Blood ods196@soton.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:34:09 EDT From: Croaker Jr Subject: Re: DG: MJ-12, The Fate, etc. In a message dated 98-05-12 08:21:14 EDT, you write: << the obvious connection would be that someone at MJ-12, possibly a board member, possibly someone a little lower frequented Club Apocalypse - in particular the downstairs rooms. The Fate could keep him in the dark about a lot of the stuff that goes on down there, but use him for his influence. There's also the possibility that one of MJ-12's front companies also have the Fate, or one of their sattelite criminal organisations as a common shareholder. >> The main thrust of the Fate is about using power and acquiring power; when I read it Alzis struck me as quintessentially a Mephistopholes figure, there to provide hungry people with exactly what they want--the gift itself often being the price. Or maybe that was just my perception. Either way, I can easily see possible links between the Fate, a group that trafficks in economic and metaphysical power, and subsidiaries of MJ-12, a group which is trying far after-the-fact to understand metaphysical power. Using front companies with common connections is a great idea to demonstrate how such a link might be made, though the real exchanges would probably be on a strictly individual level. Shane Ivey http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6580/dg.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:13:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael S Beck Subject: Re: DG: MJ-12, The Fate, etc. That's a good idea. The Fate is trying to invade Mj-12's territory, and vice versa. Whether DG will be sitting on the sidelines or caught in the middle is up to the Keeper. On Tue, 12 May 1998, Croaker Jr wrote: > In a message dated 98-05-12 08:21:14 EDT, you write: > > << > the obvious connection would be that someone at MJ-12, possibly a > board member, possibly someone a little lower frequented Club > Apocalypse - in particular the downstairs rooms. The Fate could keep > him in the dark about a lot of the stuff that goes on down there, but > use him for his influence. There's also the possibility that one of > MJ-12's front companies also have the Fate, or one of their sattelite > criminal organisations as a common shareholder. > >> > > The main thrust of the Fate is about using power and acquiring power; when I > read it Alzis struck me as quintessentially a Mephistopholes figure, there to > provide hungry people with exactly what they want--the gift itself often being > the price. Or maybe that was just my perception. Either way, I can easily > see possible links between the Fate, a group that trafficks in economic and > metaphysical power, and subsidiaries of MJ-12, a group which is trying far > after-the-fact to understand metaphysical power. Using front companies with > common connections is a great idea to demonstrate how such a link might be > made, though the real exchanges would probably be on a strictly individual > level. > > Shane Ivey > http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6580/dg.htm > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 02:12:10 EDT From: Escutcheon Subject: DG: That charming Mr Alzis << How come he gets to maintain his eternal youth and Ubermensch physique, while all other consumers of "long pig" end up as warped degenerates gibbering and meeping in the shadows? It's so unfair! :) >> Must be that Teutonic racial purity the Nazis were so keen on... (I might just use that in a game, just because it's such an obnoxious idea) - - J. Frederick MacKenzie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:23:03 -0700 From: paposehn@juno.com (Phil A Posehn) Subject: Re: DG: Ghouls I talked to Dustin @ Chaosium yesterday and the latest date for encyclopedia was sometime in June. Phil. On Mon, 11 May 1998 16:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Daniel M Harms writes: > > >On Mon, 11 May 1998, Neil Laughlin wrote: > >> Out of curiosity, when will the second edition be hitting the >shelves? I >> imagine I could track it down on Chaosium's site, but I bet I'm not >> the only party curious about this question. > > The second edition of the Encyclopedia is supposed to be out >some >time this month. I haven't seen it yet, though. > >Yrs., > >Daniel > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:18:13 -0700 From: Neil Laughlin Subject: DG: Fairfield's Death Are there any plans for revealing what happened to Major General Fairfield to the masses (that is, us)? Inquiring minds want to know too much.... My understanding, though, is that his death occurred during the Pagan Delta Green campaign -- is this true? Neil Laughlin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 98 16:58:13 -0700 From: Joseph Camp Subject: Re: DG: Fairfield's Death >Are there any plans for revealing what happened to Major General Fairfield >to the masses (that is, us)? Inquiring minds want to know too much.... My >understanding, though, is that his death occurred during the Pagan >Delta Green campaign -- is this true? Needless to say, Reggie's death occured under unusual circumstances and to date, I haven't found a reason to discuss the details of that tragic event with the rest of the group. The events that led up to his death are still quite sensitive and, frankly, anyone looking too closely at those events would quite likely suffer the same fate as he did. For the time being, Reggie's death needs to remain under wraps. Ditto the files he provided to us shortly before he died. Regarding Pagan's simulationist approach to the material, they have sniggeringly refused to divulge details of their fictional exploits to me, no doubt because my fictional counterpart has already met some dire fate that amuses them to no end. What few details they have divulged appear in their published works as "playtest notes" and the like. be seeing you, Alphonse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:30:59 -0500 From: rdushay@mindspring.com (Robert Dushay) Subject: Re: DG: MJ-12, The Fate, etc. Re the linking of the Fate, Club Apocalypse, etc. with MJ-12, why? Must all the organizations in the book work together? Why not let the Fate be an independent evil? - --Bob Dushay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:17:26 +0100 From: NICK Subject: Re: DG: MJ-12, The Fate, etc. <> i think the main issue here is just how strongly you want the Fate and MJ-12 to be involved personally. I don't think there's a great deal MJ-12 can offer the Fate that they couldn't get through other channels; whether these are Senators or CIA people who aren't in on the MJ-12 conspiracy. What can MJ-12 offer the Fate? Contact Mi-go spells? I think another interesting point is that MJ-12 aren't supposed to be interested in, or understand the supernatural per se. So myself, I like to keep the two organisations at arm's length - and when there is crossover - recently MJ-12 approached the mob to order a contract on a DG agent; the contract was carried out by a Lord of the Network - i like to keep MJ-12 in their state of blissful ignorance about the Fate and the horrible things waiting to devour and torture us all..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:47:56 +0900 From: ft203004@fsinet.or.jp (Jay and Mikiko Noyes) Subject: Re: DG: MJ-12, The Fate, etc. >Re the linking of the Fate, Club Apocalypse, etc. with MJ-12, why? Must >all the organizations in the book work together? Why not let the Fate be >an independent evil? > >--Bob Dushay I agree completely. As story elements, the work much better as independent entities. Of course, if Alzis is Nyarlathotop... but of course he isn't. Right? Right? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:53:48 -0400 From: Keith Potter Subject: RE: DG: Music One thing I've found very useful is one of those new mini-disk players that Sony's been pushing. You can record your own disks, and make a mix, much like on cassette... But you can also instantly access any track, just like on CD. This lets you steal the two or three good tracks off of a bunch of different CD's and put them all together, while still being able to pull up a particular track when circumstances demand it. As far as the music itself goes, the Miller's Crossing motion picture soundtrack by Carter Burwell has one of the most eerie tracks I've ever heard. Lots of creepy, creepy strings and such. It also has that version of Danny Boy they use in the Tommy Gun Scene, which isn't exactly frightening, but it is entertaining. --Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:08:45 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: DG: Stealth Technology In the early 80's - late 70's mother Russia made the error of publishing the mathematical equations required to predict the radar reflectivity of 3D objects in an unclassified source. This allowed a obscure Skunkworks engineer to design a computer program called ECHO. ECHO took the math and applied it. The Russians apparantly thought that the stealth equations could not be solved in a reasonable period of time, but the USA's superior computer technology proved them wrong. ECHO was a primitive software running on a primitive workstation, and was limited to defining the contours of flat surfaces, as can be seen on the F-117. Judging from the appearance of the B-2, later versions of ECHO have advanced to the point where curved stealth surfaces are now possible. The advent of curvature in stealth represents not only the geometric progression of computing power, but allows aerodynamic principles that exposes the "Wobblin' Goblin" as nothing more than a baby step in cloaking technology. An anecdote about the first "HAVE BLUE" prototype has the foil covered plywood scale model on some radar testing range or other. When the radar operator began scanning, the model could not be detected. It was thought that perhaps HAVE BLUE fell off the narrow pylon upon which it had been placed (which could be detected on the screen). When the engineers were scurrying about to correct the situation, a bird flew down to perch on the HAVE BLUE model. The radar detected the bird and the pylon, but not the triangular silhouette of the now familiar stealth fighter. As of that moment, radar was made obsolete in warfare. The inevitable future of stealth technology and speculation about currently secret applications lead to the conclusion that stealth has the potential to be the biggest threat to global security since the advent of the A-bomb. The threat does not come from projects like the LHX helicopter, the SEAWRAITH cruiser, or AURORA spyplanes. The threat lies in the terrifying application of stealth to ICBM's or cruise missiles, notably those with nuclear capability. During the 1960's the unspoken assumption of applying rocketry as a vehicle for atomic warheads drove the space race and eventually landed a man on the moon (or not, according to films such as Capricorn One and Diamonds are Forever). The addition of stealth to the nuclear arsenal makes it possible to destroy strategic targets with total deniability. It is now possible to make cities disappear, with no one the wiser. Although rumors persist of radiation sensing satellites that can detect radioactive materials from orbit, it is unlikely that they can penetrate too far underground. Although any rocket launch can be spotted due to the excessive heat, a submarine launched missile neatly avoids any heat based sensors. Although mass drivers would be more efficient, space based stealth satellites could very well be used as a platform for stealthy nuclear missiles, or other even more esoteric weaponry. The possibilities outlined here make for some interesting conspiracy scenarios unrelated to the occult, supernatural and paranormal. They may also get you in trouble with "da' man." Use at your own risk. PS for a real copy of the latest version of ECHO, just email me a request and I will have the FBI arrest you at once :) PPS If stealth now worries you, go read "The Hot Zone" by Richard Preston and worry about ebola & hemmoragic fevers instead. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:14:08 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: DG: The Rabbit Here's an interesting note, did you know it is possible to infuriate Adolph Lepus by calling him "the Rabbit." Try it, he really hates it! I think when next we meet I will bring up that whole "Big nasty pointy teeth" thing. HAR! HAR! The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Be vewwy vewwy quiet. We're hunting wabbits." - Elmer Fudd, esq. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:21:43 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Fairfield's Death On Wed, 13 May 1998, Joseph Camp wrote: > >Are there any plans for revealing what happened to Major General Fairfield > >to the masses (that is, us)? Inquiring minds want to know too much.... My > >understanding, though, is that his death occurred during the Pagan > >Delta Green campaign -- is this true? > > Needless to say, Reggie's death occured under unusual circumstances and > to date, I haven't found a reason to discuss the details of that tragic > event with the rest of the group. The events that led up to his death are > still quite sensitive and, frankly, anyone looking too closely at those > events would quite likely suffer the same fate as he did. For the time > being, Reggie's death needs to remain under wraps. Ditto the files he > provided to us shortly before he died. Either he faked his own death (possibly to join or infiltrate MJ) or some one is impersonating him. I hate it when they won't stay dead. > Regarding Pagan's simulationist approach to the material, they have > sniggeringly refused to divulge details of their fictional exploits to > me, no doubt because my fictional counterpart has already met some dire > fate that amuses them to no end. "Dire fate?" good god man, I just broke one little statue! Relax, take a rest! Geez! PS Did you get anyone to eat that protomatter? YUM YUM! The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Mmmm, protomatter" - Homer Whateley It is not necessary to spray me with that stuff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:44:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "G. Wyckoff" Subject: Re: DG: Stealth Technology Much good stuff from the "MIB" curtailed. > During the 1960's the unspoken assumption of applying rocketry as a > vehicle for atomic warheads drove the space race and eventually landed a > man on the moon (or not, according to films such as Capricorn One and > Diamonds are Forever). The addition of stealth to the nuclear arsenal > makes it possible to destroy strategic targets with total deniability. > > It is now possible to make cities disappear, with no one the wiser. > > Although rumors persist of radiation sensing satellites that can detect > radioactive materials from orbit, it is unlikely that they can penetrate > > PPS If stealth now worries you, go read "The Hot Zone" by Richard Preston > and worry about ebola & hemmoragic fevers instead. I'd worry more about both. Stealth delivery system of a bioweapon. No radiation to detect, no radar to notice the event, just a nice stealth bomber dropping a load of biologicals into the water supply of a major city. Not even a big BOOM to let you know that you've just been poisoned. Just a plague. It's a first strike scenario with limited potential for a retaliatory strike. How would your enemy even know it was an attack and not just a natural outbreak? Would they risk the wrath of the world to strike back at you with no proof?? Would Cthulhu just chuckle in his slumber? I don't know, but it gives me the willies, and I bet it would give your investigators the willies too, if they found out a cult had infiltrated a wing of stealth airplanes and a biological "testing" facility. Jerry gwyckoff@midway.uchicago.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:36:09 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: DG: A Conversation with Space Ghost CAST OF CHARACTERS (mib) : The Man in Black, nuff said! (SG) : Space Ghost, cosmic super hero (punk): Carl Stanford, sorcerer and master of shameless self-promotion (Zorak): Zorak, a big bug (JT) : John "Puppetboy" Tynes, famous game designer TRANSCRIPT BEGINS (MEMCON) (SG) : "Welcome back citizens! Our guest tonight is The Man in Black. MIB, I have an amazing physique that astounds evildoers and many super powers. Do you have any super powers?" (mib) : "Oh, yeah. That's just my style." (SG) : "What kind of super powers?" (adjusts powerbands) (mib) : "Well, like all gamers, I'm a chick magnet. Yep, have to beat 'em off with a stick. Also, I can talk to protomatter." (SG) : "And what does the protomatter have to say?" (mib) : "Not too much really. Say, could you blast Zorak for me?" (SG) : "Sure!" (blasts Zorak into a charred inverted mass) (Zorak) : "Ow." (mib) : "That was cool. Do it AGAIN!" (SG) : "O. K." (blasts Zorak again) (Zorak) : (somewhat charred and singed) "What was that for?" (SG) : "We have to be polite to our guests, Zorak." (punk) : "HI! I'm Carl Stanford, and I will be appearing in the upcoming Chaosium publication 'Day of the Beast' Watch for me!" (mib) : "Dammit Carl, how many times have I told you to stay the hell off my airtime?! Nobody cares about your stupid reprints!" (grabs Carl's cane and beats him severely with it, then tosses him down a stairway out into a narrow alley. Immediately, a large black Cadillac driven by Jesse 'the Body' Ventura roadkills the unfortunate sorcerer. MIB then snaps the cane in two) (SG) : "My, wasn't that exciting and overly violent." (mib) : "Sorry about that, that guy really gets on my nerves." (SG) : "Oh-Kay! Tell us about Delta Green." (mib) : "Sure, DG is a game about cute and fuzzy bunnies, striving to survive in a world they never made. It's based on a book of french erotica set on the Titanic called 'Watership Down' written by Steffan O' Sullivan. It takes place on the planet Venus and also features lots of really big guns and swashbuckling." (JT) : "That is like, totally incorrect in every way." (mib) : "Quiet YOU! Or I tell everyone about that unmarketable Puppet game!" (JT) : "GASP!" (leaves quietly) (SG) : "So, tell me more about Delta Green." (mib) : "Like I was saying, DG is about women. Macho women. Macho women with the 'top heavy' disadvantage. So it's an equal opportunity, women's lib kinda game. Also..." (punk) : "It's me! Carl Stanford! I'm back! I also Appear in 'The Complete Masks of Stefan Alzis' but not in that pesky australian chapter." (mib) : "Didn't I just kill you?" (punk) : "Yeah, but I got better." (mib) : "I see." (pulls out the *bubble gun* and shoots Carl, who is vaporized across several dozen different dimensions) (the bubble gun fires a sphere of reverse time tachyons which rips many warps in that whole Space/time thing. So it basically shoots YOG-SOTHOTH at you.) (mib) "HAR! HAR!" (SG) : "Is there more about Delta Green that you're not telling us?" (mib) "There's a book and another book and a T-shirt." (SG) : "Neato!" (punk) : "HAH! You can knock me down, but I get back up again! That's because I, Carl Stanford, am the chosen of the Beast! I will rule this basic cable talk show and the WORLD WILL BE MINE! MUAHAHAHAHAH!" (mib) : "Carl, why don't you do me, and everyone else on this mailing list a big favor and go back to the green room and pour yourself a nice warm cup of SHUT THE HELL UP!" (kicks Carl in the nuts and performs the professional wrestling manuever known as the "Stone Cold Stunner" or "Diamond Cutter" on Carl who is doubled over in pain. Calls out to the rear, and the entire nWo runs out and proceed to kick the bejeezus out of Carl while he's down). (punk) : (uses fist of YOG-SOTHOTH to break up the nWo who all cowardly retreat, except for Jesse 'the Body' Ventura who scoops up Carl and gives him the Backbreaker, to which Carl replies: "Roswell! ROSWELL!") (mib) : (kicking Carl's prone body) "That's right, who's the ICON, Who's the man, who's the main event at the pay-per-view?" (punk) : "nWi! nWi 4 Life! GAAACK!" (SG) : "Well that's it for this Space Ghost Coast to Coast! Tune in next week when our guest is Punch the Maker Killer!" TRANSCRIPT ENDS (mercifully) The Man in Black is : the biggest ICON in the history of this mailing list Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum GURPS The Prisoner meets GURPS Bunnies and Burrows: "You are number lots and lots!" "I am not a number! I am a cute bunny!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:45:19 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Stealth Technology On Thu, 14 May 1998, G. Wyckoff wrote: > I'd worry more about both. Stealth delivery system of a > bioweapon. No radiation to detect, no radar to notice the event, just a > nice stealth bomber dropping a load of biologicals into the water supply > of a major city. Not even a big BOOM to let you know that you've just > been poisoned. Just a plague. It's a first strike scenario with limited > potential for a retaliatory strike. How would your enemy even know it was > an attack and not just a natural outbreak? Would they risk the wrath of > the world to strike back at you with no proof?? > your investigators the willies too, if they found out a cult had > infiltrated a wing of stealth airplanes and a biological "testing" > facility. Now I doubt that MJ-12 or the US govt would allow a cult that kind of access. (serpent people and what all aside) But MJ might use stealth to conduct genetic engineering experiments by dousing populated areas with mutagens. Hopefully they would do this outside the CONUS, as I never liked those pesky nasty foreigners anyway :) This might also explain sightings of black helicopters when INSCOM and me aren't out joyriding. And might go far to explain cattle mutilations and why hamburgers cost only $0.99 for a limited time only. The Man in Black is : not affiliated with INSCOM Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "I like the Whopper, F*CK the Big Mac!" - DJ Rob Base ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:12:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "G. Wyckoff" Subject: Re: DG: Stealth Technology > > Now I doubt that MJ-12 or the US govt would allow a cult that kind of > access. (serpent people and what all aside) But MJ might use stealth to I would hope that they wouldn't. Unless the Greys told them to. > conduct genetic engineering experiments by dousing populated areas with > mutagens. Hopefully they would do this outside the CONUS, as I never liked > those pesky nasty foreigners anyway :) Well, of course! ;) > This might also explain sightings of black helicopters when INSCOM and me > aren't out joyriding. And might go far to explain cattle mutilations and > why hamburgers cost only $0.99 for a limited time only. Thanks, MIB, but I just ate. I'll wait til the burgers go back to regular price. Jerry gwyckoff@midway.uchicago.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:02:37 PDT From: "Christopher D. Nichols" Subject: DG: Notes Found By A DG Friendly I felt that this should be brought to the attention of A cell. This items appear to have a connection to this Mr. "John Tynes" which Prof. Camp so distrusts. These notes were found at the scene of a homicide (well, I assume it was a homicide... they only find the hand). Feed back (esp. Prof. Camp)? (There are a few thigs mentioned in passing below which Keeper's may not wish to let players know.) (KEEPER'S EYES ONLY) "'The Unspeakable Oath 14/15' ed. John Tynes. A very entertaining magazine. The admirable restraint displayed by Mr. Tynes in handling the third letter in Scream and Scream Again is the kind of level-headed respond to blind intolerance that the gaming community should cultivate. The reviews are quite helpful, having lead me Clean, Shaven, though I was disapointed that no Ravenoft materials were covered. Mysterious Manuscripts were useful as well, and I have compiled notes on the two undetailed films of Ralph W. Routhgate. The article on Glove Cleaners has given me insight into my own behavior, photocopying snippets of Call of Cthulhu game and fiction material trying to recreate Mythos Texts. However the derivation of 'Glove Cleaner" remains opaque.
Excellent research on the Knights Templar, helpful in conspiracy games (i.e. GURPS). The 'Zines article is interesting and I have made some notes on similar 'zines. Does Delta Green have files on these 'zines (esp. Veritas Patitur)? Three very well done adventures which I may soon use in my campaign. However, the art on page 99, may offend weaker stomaced readers (although, if they can't take that, wh are they playing CoC?)" " John Tynes' Delta Green: A beautiful work by John Tynes and crew, this book captures the reader's attention immediately. Capturing all that is wrong with the world is capture in the essay which ends, "Nothing lies before us but death and coleopterans." This haunting message, slayer of hope, seed of despair, speaks to the eyes that see the world burning around them. The amazing details (and supremely believable as well) history of Delta Green, spark the imagination, changing the mind to continually rewriting history into Mythos inspired events. Amazingly, there are hints of deeper pathos, such as the tragedy of Agent Qualls. The myopic, sterile evil of MJ-12 as compared to the equally myopic, organic evil of the Karotechia. The pleasant surprise of the reference to Regnum Congo, one of the most under-utilised Mythos texts, as well as references to the HPL story Cool Air. The bleak faceless darkness that consumes New York (esp. Millennial NYC, a superb breif selection). The best adventure here is Convergance, a truely awful case of Grey/ Mi-go infiltration. Truely the best modern conspiracy/horror game I've every read." "The Realm of Shadows: Tynes again composes, a wonderfully detailed product. The insidious nre of ghouls is throughly explored, and any detailed which could be conseivably be required for this campaign are readily available, while still leaving room for Keeper fiat. The rich details of Greenfield are ripe with evils (i.e. as currently set down in notes, the player will find the necro/pedo-philes, though they have no connections to the cult, or even the Roscommon girl. The artifacts and spells are quite nasty, and the Dreamlands sections are the first that every really made me want to use the Dreamlands. Further, Cultes Des Goules gets a somewhat lengthly write-up, always a good thing. And, the art is especially beautiful, smooth and detailed, though the photo montage on pgs. 122-123 are fascinatingly repulsive. Mostly, this book is great because it fuels my morbid interest in ghouls and they habits. Now, I rest, for I am tire and the hounds come. " So, is there anything to this or have I mistaken that "certain bouquet" for the stench of common lunacy? Chris Nichols "I smell blood and an era of prominent madmen." - W.H. Auden "O Lord, if there is a Lord...save my soul, if I have soul..." - Ernest Renan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:30:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael S Beck Subject: Re: DG: MJ-12, The Fate, etc. I've always shown Mj-12 as more misguided than anything else. Like Delta Green, it wants to protect the earth. It's methods are perverse, but its motives aren't. Also, it has far more power than Delta Green does. A MJ-12 with full knowledge of what the Mythos is would be bad news for many groups, so it is possible that the FAte deliberately keeps the Steering Committee in the dark. On Thu, 14 May 1998, NICK wrote: > > > < read it Alzis struck me as quintessentially a Mephistopholes figure, there to > provide hungry people with exactly what they want--the gift itself often being > the price. Or maybe that was just my perception. Either way, I can easily > see possible links between the Fate, a group that trafficks in economic and > metaphysical power, and subsidiaries of MJ-12, a group which is trying far > after-the-fact to understand metaphysical power. Using front companies with > common connections is a great idea to demonstrate how such a link might be > made, though the real exchanges would probably be on a strictly individual > level>> > > i think the main issue here is just how strongly you want the Fate > and MJ-12 to be involved personally. I don't think there's a great > deal MJ-12 can offer the Fate that they couldn't get through other > channels; whether these are Senators or CIA people who aren't in on > the MJ-12 conspiracy. What can MJ-12 offer the Fate? > Contact Mi-go spells? I think another interesting point is that MJ-12 > aren't supposed to be interested in, or understand the supernatural > per se. So myself, I like to keep the two organisations at arm's > length - and when there is crossover - recently MJ-12 approached the > mob to order a contract on a DG agent; the contract was carried out > by a Lord of the Network - i like to keep MJ-12 in their state of > blissful ignorance about the Fate and the horrible things waiting to > devour and torture us all...... > > > ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V1 #24 *******************************