From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V1 #25 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Monday, May 18 1998 Volume 01 : Number 025 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:06:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel M Harms Subject: Re: DG: Notes Found By A DG Friendly On Thu, 14 May 1998, Christopher D. Nichols wrote an excellent piece, aside from one minor niggling flaw: > (KEEPER'S EYES ONLY) (re. Delta Green sourcebook) > The pleasant surprise of the reference to Regnum Congo, one > of the most under-utilised Mythos texts... Agents should be informed that Regnum Congo is not technically a Mythos tome - generally defined as a book dealing with the Cthulhu Mythos in a non-fictional format. Here is the bibliographic informantion on the book: Lopes, Duarte. Regnum Congo, hoc est Warhaffte und eigentliche beschreibung dess konigreichs Congo in Africa: ubersetzt durch Augustinum Cassiodorum. Franckfort am Mayn: Gertruckt durch J. Saur in verlegung H. D. und H. I. von Bry, 1597. 74 pp., 14 plates, 2 maps. Volume one in the series Reisen in Orientalischen Indien, J. T. de Bry. Written by Filippo Pigafetta at Lopez' dictation. Subjects: Angola -- Description and travel; Portugal - Colonies - Africa; Congo (Democratic Republic) - Description and travel. Congo (Brazzaville) - Description and travel. Copies may be found at the University of Minnesota and the University of Wisconsin at Madison. A later 1609 edition may be found at the Boston Athenaeum and the Smithsonian Institute. The most recent edition of this book was printed in 1970, if my sources are correct. Yrs., Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:00:44 PDT From: "Christopher D. Nichols" Subject: Re: DG: Notes Found By A DG Friendly >From: Daniel M Harms > >On Thu, 14 May 1998, Christopher D. Nichols wrote an excellent piece, >aside from one minor niggling flaw: Really? Hey, thanks. I hasten to assure you that I actually tend to write a bit more conherently. Or, rather I do when I'm not incredibly tired. That the time I wrote the message, I was practically sleeping on my keyboard, leading me to forget important aspects of the English language, such as complete sentances. Oh, well... >> (KEEPER'S EYES ONLY) >(re. Delta Green sourcebook) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> The pleasant surprise of the reference to Regnum Congo, one >> of the most under-utilised Mythos texts... > >Agents should be informed that Regnum Congo is not technically a >Mythos tome - generally defined as a book dealing with the Cthulhu >Mythos in a non-fictional format. Here is the bibliographic >informantion on the book: Hmm... You see, I was basing the assumption that Regnum Congo was a Mythos tome on these lines from Delta Green: >Regnum Congo > Language: German translated from Latin; Mythos Gain: +1;... Thus we gather that Regnum Congo does in fact concern itself in some manner with the Cthulhu Mythos (hence the Mythos Gain). Further this text fits the definition by being a non-fictional text. Of course, one can always argue that the work has to be *fictional* (that is derived from Mythos stories or gaming material to be a Mythos tome. But, all that's just nit-picking and opinion. However, I must state that fictional material can just as easily be Mythos tome material. The Blight and The Despicable Quest from Resume With Monsters, are works of fiction laden with Mythos and Dreamlands references. From the Call of Cthulhu 5.0 sourcebook, such works as Massa di Requiem per Shuggay, The King in Yellow, Azathoth and Other Horrors, and The People of the Monolith, are fiction (OK, opera, drama, and poetry) as well. From TUO #14/15, the fiction films The Lord of the Yellow Sign, He Without Name, and Behold the Dark, appear. The Trail of Cthulhu, while Derlethian, mentions The Watchers From Outside, a novel with some minor Mythos connections. Anyhow, the non-fiction only view of Mythos tomes is perhaps a bit conservative. Still, I must thank you for your response, and state that I greatly enjoyed your first Encyc.Cth., and look forward to the new edition. ObDG: Does DG keep tabs on publishers, to halt publication of excessively Mythos influenced materials (i.e. via an agent in whatever body distributes ISBN numbers)? Did last Sunday's X-Files seem Mythos related to anyone (esp. Resume With Monsters)? >Yrs., >Daniel Chris Nichols ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:08:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Bowman Subject: Re: DG: Notes Found By A DG Friendly On Fri, 15 May 1998, Christopher D. Nichols wrote: > ObDG: Does DG keep tabs on publishers, to halt publication of > excessively Mythos influenced materials (i.e. via an agent in whatever > body distributes ISBN numbers)? Did last Sunday's X-Files seem Mythos > related to anyone (esp. Resume With Monsters)? One note, in the US there is no body that distributes ISBNs. A publisher gets issued the publisher number (everything before the 2nd hyphen) by R.R. Bowker, I believe. Each publisher then assigns individual book numbers to their own books (everything between the 2nd and 3rd hyphens [with the digit after the 3rd hypen being a check digit]). Michael Bowman bvmi@odin.cc.pdx.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:53:28 EDT From: Croaker Jr Subject: Re: DG: Notes Found By A DG Friendly << I've always shown Mj-12 as more misguided than anything else. Like Delta Green, it wants to protect the earth. It's methods are perverse, but its motives aren't. >> I love the way MJ-12 is depicted in Delta Green. The sense of conflict within the Steering Committee and the interaction with DG is ripe for intrigues and betrayals to fit the most byzantine campaign. << "The Realm of Shadows: Tynes again composes, a wonderfully detailed product. The insidious nre of ghouls is throughly explored, and any >> As much as I've always enjoyed John's writing and ideas and editorial skills (and Convergence is my single favorite scenario ever), we ought to give credit where credit is due for some brilliant material: John Crowe wrote Realm of Shadows, and Dennis Detwiller and A.S. Glancy wrote a great deal of Delta Green. Picking nits, Shane Ivey http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6580/dg.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:04:24 -0400 From: Daniel Harms Subject: Re: DG: Notes Found By A DG Friendly At 01:00 PM 5/15/98 PDT, you wrote: >>From: Daniel M Harms >>> (KEEPER'S EYES ONLY) >>(re. Delta Green sourcebook) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> The pleasant surprise of the reference to Regnum Congo, one >>> of the most under-utilised Mythos texts... >> >>Agents should be informed that Regnum Congo is not technically a >>Mythos tome - generally defined as a book dealing with the Cthulhu >>Mythos in a non-fictional format. Here is the bibliographic >>informantion on the book: > > >Hmm... You see, I was basing the assumption that Regnum Congo was a >Mythos tome on these lines from Delta Green: > > >Regnum Congo > > Language: German translated from Latin; Mythos Gain: +1;... > >Thus we gather that Regnum Congo does in fact concern itself in some >manner with the Cthulhu Mythos (hence the Mythos Gain). Further this >text fits the definition by being a non-fictional text. Of course, one >can always argue that the work has to be *fictional* (that is derived >from Mythos stories or gaming material to be a Mythos tome. But, all >that's just nit-picking and opinion. Well, my point was that the book Regnum Congo is in fact a real one, and it has no Mythos references. Perhaps its contents differ in the DG universe, or maybe Galt's copy is actually an annotated one. >However, I must state that fictional material can just as easily be >Mythos tome material. The Blight and The Despicable Quest from Resume >With Monsters, are works of fiction laden with Mythos and Dreamlands >references. From the Call of Cthulhu 5.0 sourcebook, such works as >Massa di Requiem per Shuggay, The King in Yellow, Azathoth and Other >Horrors, and The People of the Monolith, are fiction (OK, opera, drama, >and poetry) as well. From TUO #14/15, the fiction films The Lord of the >Yellow Sign, He Without Name, and Behold the Dark, appear. >The Trail of Cthulhu, while Derlethian, mentions The Watchers From >Outside, a novel with some minor Mythos connections. Anyhow, the >non-fiction only view of Mythos tomes is perhaps a bit conservative. Agreed. I'd love to see some variation in the Mythos tomes in the literature. Too much of it turns out to be Necronomicon clones. >Still, I must thank you for your response, and state that I greatly >enjoyed your first Encyc.Cth., and look forward to the new edition. You're quite welcome. Your question reminded me to go check out the English translation _Kingdom of Congo_, from the library. It looks like it'll make a good evening's reading, and if anyone wants a book report... Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu "Fie on the immortality of cast-iron lawn deer!" -- H. P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:29:00 GMT0BST From: Robert Thomas Subject: DG: Convergance (Minor Spoilers) Hello All, S P O I L E R S ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Right In Unspeakable Oath issue 7 there is a sound file mentioned "Message", does anyone here have a copy of this that works on an PC? Rob. J.R.E.Thomas. Science Library PC Room Advisor ext 6135 / 5128. MScII City and Regional Planning Student. ThomasR@cardiff.ac.uk ~~When life hands you lemons, break out the tequila and salt!~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 09:51:13 -0500 From: Jeff McSpadden Subject: DG: Electronic Files As long as we're inquiring about files for the pc from Convergance... Whatabout the rest of the groversville notebook? Does anyone (John...) have the "in Media Res" blot in JPG or Gif? Wouldn't it be great if Pagan produced electronic sound and handout files some don't all have to break the spines on our books! What a great promo! They wouldn't have to be spoilers, many handouts occur very early and the sound and graphic files could be anyone's guess! Jeff - -------------------------------------------- ICQ# is 9957476 http://www.inlink.com/~jeferi/ opening soon: project annex at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/2864/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:04:50 EDT From: Croaker Jr Subject: Re: DG: Electronic Files << As long as we're inquiring about files for the pc from Convergance... Whatabout the rest of the groversville notebook? Does anyone (John...) have the "in Media Res" blot in JPG or Gif? >> I asked about an electronic file of the sound just a week or two ago and Mr. Tynes said that they no longer had it. I personally have an audiotape of the sounds, but I don't have the machinery to convert it back to an electronic file. As for the In Media Res inkblots, those could be scanned and posted easily enough if Pagan Pub granted permission. The Pagan Publishing site would be a great place to store such things if they are developed. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 20:37:37 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: DG: Condensed Characters Kinda like Shotgun Scenarios, Condensed Characters are one sentence descriptions of NPC's that can be brought in to annoy your players. Sex-Ritual performing Tantric Hooker with a Heart of Gold. Corrupt local Politician in over his head. Brilliant Scientist about to discover the Mythos. Ruthless Corporate Executive doomed to an Ironic Death. Reluctant Cultist slowly going Insane. Overly Friendly Ghoul Recruiter stalking the Investigators. Computer Hacker/Private Investigator who Knows Too Much. Malign Supernatural Entity masquerading as a Human. Noted Comedy Film Director from Britain. Desperate Drug Dealer fleeing marginal Mythos Involvement. Cat Burgler in possession of a stolen artifact. Unappreciated Muscian tragically attracting Things Man was not meant to Know. Military Officer involved in a massive Government Cover-Up. Innocent Bystander frantically trying to return to Normalcy. The Man in Black is : questing the bird flip, artichokely. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:45:55 -0400 From: "Kaminari" Subject: DG: X-files Started a thread discussing the conspiracies on alt.tv.x-files. With the quality of feedback on this maillist, the ending of the X-Files, & the suprising lack of decent 'what if' on the usenet list, I figured I'd put word out to you peoples. I didn't want to post X-Files related things here for the obvious reason of being unrelated (kindof). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:48:26 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: DG: MIB vs. Protomatter So like there I was, driving along in the caddy, when I saw the tanker truck. Now in my line of work, you avoid driving too close to things like gasoline tankers, tanker trucks filled with liquid nitrogen and that kinda stuff. But there it was, a Dawn Biozyme tractor trailer rig, lots of chemical hazard markings. DBZ is a biotech company. Should've stayed in fucking bed. Now my beyond top-secret, ultra-tech sensors spewed forth their usual useless crap, but everyone who read the subject line knows that damn truck was filled with protomatter. Oh yeah, Billy-Ray Spivey's favorite flavor of evil jello. Goo. Slime. A big yecchy blob of eldritch snot. Mucus City, USA. Naturally, I blew it up. Blew it the FUCK up. Real Good too. After it stopped raining burning slime I turned off my windshield wipers and took a sample for the boys back at the lab. Flashed everyone in the surrounding traffic with that flashy memory messer upper thing. That thing is so damn handy, I can't wait for the orbital satellite version. I used the particle beam to carbonize the rest of the slime. I think it was probably trying to get away, but I stopped talking to protomatter a few posts ago, it never has anything interesting to say. The driver was a blob-guy. Had to wax him with the sonic, particle beam just didn't cut it. Didn't find any useful intel when I looted the body. What was left of the glove compartment resulted in the trucking schedule. Back and forth from the docks to the DBZ labs. I'm gonna blow up DBZ one of these days, those guys seriously piss me off. Drove down to the docks. Had to tell the security guards I was with the government, and was there to help. They didn't buy it. Flashed 'em and moved on. Technology is King, would've had to kill 'em in the old days. Found the Medium tanker. M. T. Madre Negro. a 100,000 ton obsolete japanese built oil tanker. Registered in Argentina to some Latin company. My database tracked the corporate paper trail. NWI again. Those guys seriously piss me me off, can't blow 'em up, too big and influential, gotta play it quiet. Damn. Demolition is out of the question. HEADLINE: "Massive oil spill mutates Samson marine biology! California Coastline Evacuated!" Nope, must restrain the explosive impulse. Damn. Park the caddy in a nice quiet area. The Crew of the Madre Negro are an unsavory lot. I like them. Deformed. Big googly eyes. big flappin lips. Webbed fingers, Gills, scales. Frog legs on the menu tonite. They've stopped pumping onto the shore tanks. Someone must've blown up some of their tanker trucks. Too Bad. Too bad they'll be ready for trouble. Satellite imagery archives indicate that the good ship lollipop has been going from South of Argentina to the Panama and on to some Pacific Islands or other. Quite a bizarre itinerary to get here to Samson. What the Fuck? I sneak on board. You don't know me. I'm not here. Look! Isn't that the Planet Venus? I'm not the MIB you're looking for. Telepathy works great, no one even gets a nosebleed. Jabba the Hutt would call these guys weak minded fools. Edt-Choo-Ta! Some genius architect has built up a ramshackle shack on the bow. Looks suspicious. Looks flammable. I investigate. The door creaks open. It's colder than a convention of topless witches, runes all over the ice walls, or wood walls, depending on which dimension you're from. It's a gate to an glacial ice cave. There's a winch driven elevator that drops off down a ledge. Lit by flickering florescent lights. Winch is ancient, german language instructions. Too strange! I place a few nanogram charges of anti-matter. I wonder if the detonation signal will work through the gate? Neutrinos go through everything else. I go to the bridge. Sit in the captain's chair. Engage number one, make it so. The officer on watch is standing around reading his porno. It's not even a good porno. Loser. I beat the shit out of him with the shock gloves. Plant more anti-matter. Ship's log. Written in R'lyeh glyphs. Whatta buncha weirdos. Casually violating maritime law like that. I steal the log. decipher it later. Below decks. I hear gurgling. The protomatter in the tanker is getting restless. Gross. Loud Gurgling everywhere. How do you sleep on this rusty tub? Plant neurotoxin dispersing gas bombs. I detect human remains inside the bulkhead. Between the tanks and the outer hull. Stupid construction. Fumes from the tank collect in the hull space. Turn the ship into a fuel air munition. Supposed to prevent oil spills. Prevents jack and shit. Have to use sonic cutter to cut through the bulkhead. Anything else might blow up the ship. Damn double hull construction. Only a thin layer of metal between me and millions of gallons of protomatter. Human skeletons stripped of all meat. Most bones are splintered, some are melted and fused together. Bleah! Whispy cobweb like sheets fly around in this tall narrow confines. Probably acidic. Probably spontaneously generated from protomatter fumes. Probably ought to get the hell out of dodge. Loud thumping and rumbling from the tank. I seal up the bulkhead and disembark. Drive to safehouse. I'm gonna turn this over to Delta Green. Let them accumulate a bunch of data. When they're done, prepare for the Philadelphia Experiment part two. Ship has to disappear without a trace. The Man in Black is : with the government and is here to help! Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 18:48:50 -0400 From: "R. Menzi" Subject: DG: Cthulhu interview I found this in an old "FWD" folder, hadn't seen it in years. Thought it was worth passing on. - ------- Some Vital Stats About Cthulhu -------- - ------- From His Profile in "Esquire" -------- Name: Cthulhu. Eyes: Black. Hair: None. Occupation: Bloodthirsty ravening god of evil. But I'm really a big softy at heart. Just ask my High Priest...wait, I ate him last week. Never mind. Anyway, the technical term is Great Old One. Marital Status: Single, and staying that way. Age: Well, not to be bashful, but let's just say "in the millions" and leave it at that. Income for Fiscal 1994: I don't really need money . . . just a steady supply of sacrifices. However, I remember an ex-High Treasurer telling me that my combined cults made about forty million American dollars in various illegal methods last year. Not that that means much to me. Interests: Let's see...slavery, sacrifices (especially virgins), conquering the Earth, making fun of weenies like Cthuga (oooooh! A big ball of fire! I'm trembling!), making the jump in rank from Great Old One to Outer God so shmucks like Nylatharlotep don't snicker behind my back anymore, being worshipped by humans and Deep Ones alike. Turn-ons: Did I mention virgins? Of both sexes? And all races? They're all tasty. Oh, and Shub-Niggurath. Whatta babe, I can tell you... Turn-offs: Annoying monster hunters, that loser Nodens, Father Dagon (riiiiiiight, pal. Try and take over. I dare ya), those icky Deep One/human crossbreeds, other Great Old Ones. In my next life I want to be: Me. Geez, who else? If I were a tree, I would be this kind of tree: Whatever kind it is that rules over all the other trees and eats them. The woman of my dreams would be: You know, I don't really think too much about that sort of thing. But she'd have to be big...I am over a hundred feet tall. If I had to sum myself up in one sentence: I'm a deadly godlike figure, who's going to rule the world one day, so you might as well step in line right now so I treat you nice. - -------------- Cthulhu's Folksy Sayings ---------------- Never invite Azahoth over for a leisurely dinner. He makes such a *mess* When in doubt, eat your enemies. Deep Ones may be soggy, but they have hearts of gold. You might be a Great Old One if all you want to do is enslave humanity and eat them. Humans are cattle. Treat them as such. Darth Vader...geez, what a wuss. Whenever you make a deal, ask yourself, "Am I getting sacrifices out of this?" Never trust Nytharlathotep. He cheats at poker. Saying "Hastur" out loud may impress the ladies, but it ain't smart, believe you me. Yog-Sothoth is living proof that having a hyphen in your name makes it look silly. Redheads taste better. You know, Newt Gingrich has jack shit on me. No, my voice doesn't sound like that of James Earl Jones. I brush my tentacles with Aqua-Fresh. Only Aqua-Fresh gets the bits of leftover virgin out so easily. Great Old Ones can do it until there isn't a human left on the face of the earth. If the virgins don't dance well, eat the High Priest. He trained them, it's his fault. Cultists are a renewable resource. Why settle for the lesser evil? - -------------- NEW! CTHULHU AT THE MOVIES -------------- SHOWGIRLS: You know, this movie *really* made me hungry. I mean, all that naked flesh. I kept imagining BBQ sauce for some reason. The dancing wasn't *quite* as good as some of the better rituals I get, but it had high points. And Elizabeth Berkley: well, she looks stringy. And, just in case you think I'm a poor movie critic, she can't act either. THE USUAL SUSPECTS: Oh, sure. "Keyser Soze" indeed. Let's review: feared by everyone who knows about him; kills indiscriminately to serve his purposes; deadly; mean; and generally devious. Me, me, me, me, and me. And where did Hockney's body go anyway? I bet they were trying to imply that he was really Keyser Soze instead of that Kevin Spacey guy. Honestly. Kevin Pollak? That's the best they can do for an allegory of ME? HEAT: I gave up after the first hour. Did Pacino ever catch De Niro or what? MR. HOLLAND'S OPUS: Look, I don't see the moral. If he'd started a cult with all these students he'd gotten to love him, well then, that would've been a pretty decent, uplifting movie. As it is, just a tired old unhappy ending where all he gets is to hear some piece of crap symphony he wrote. It didn't even have any chanting in it. FROM DUSK TILL DAWN: George Clooney is now on the Last To Be Eaten List. Make notes, all of you. He'd make a damn fine High Priest for a while. RICHARD III: You know, I've always had this pet peeve against Shakespeare's stuff since he refused to join my cult. We even asked nicely, instead of commanding him to kneel and lick the floor like a craven dog...anyway. The movie. Guns, tanks, fascists...nothing I can't top. (Did you know "A Midsummer Night's Dream" was originally supposed to have Deep Ones instead of fairies? It's true. He promised, the lying bastard.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:56:15 -0700 From: "Gerry Mckelvey" Subject: DG: X files and dg.. Oh, I don't know...i've always thought that delta green was much, much worse than any conspiracy that the x-files might have going for it....can the cancer man really compare to the King in Yellow? The only thing I'd like to see more of in DG is more Men In Black....I like the mib's...if any ever show up on my doorstep, I'm gonna ask to join... Jerry McKelvey Exitus Acta Probat. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 08:01:32 -0400 From: "Kaminari" Subject: DG: Re: X files and dg.. - -----Original Message----- From: Gerry Mckelvey To: deltagreen@nocturne.org Date: Sunday, May 17, 1998 1:24 AM Subject: DG: X files and dg.. > Oh, I don't know...i've always thought that delta green was much, much >worse than any conspiracy that the x-files might have going for it....can >the cancer man really compare to the King in Yellow? >The only thing I'd like to see more of in DG is more Men In Black....I like >the mib's...if any ever show up on my doorstep, I'm gonna ask to join... > >Jerry McKelvey >Exitus Acta Probat. > MIBs, you spray & put out traps but those pesky things keep comming back to raid the fridge. Maybe it has something to do with that JELLO brand instant shuggoth I made last week... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 09:11:38 -0700 From: "Gerry Mckelvey" Subject: DG: x files and dg Jello brand instant shoggoth....hmmm....now THERE's an idea that should terrify my players.... You know, I've been looking for ideas to put the fear of the outer gods into my jaded players, so if anyone out there has any ideas I'd really appreciate a few...they hate it when I find something new to hit them with, and after 7 years it's getting difficult to surprise them all the time.... I wonder...can you fax or email someone a mythos spell? Can technology be the vehicle for an outer god? or could technology have an outer god to call it's own? just some random thoughts.... Jerry McKelvey Exitus Acta Probat. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 15:14:19 +0100 (BST) From: Olly Subject: Re: DG: x files and dg > Can technology be the vehicle for an outer god? or > could technology have an outer god to call it's own? Well, Azathoth is the "monstrous nuclear chaos at the centre of the universe" (something like that, anyway) so theoretically It could be manifest in the heart of a nuclear explosion or a reactor core; or, if you want to _really_ freak the players out, it could be that Azathoth (or an aspect of Azathoth) exists simultaenously in the structure of every atom in the universe... (I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Ramsey Campbell introduced a similar idea in one of the stories in "Cold Print".) Also, Yog-Sothoth's ability to be all places and times at once brings the wilder theories of quantum physics to mind. Any actual physicists out there feel free to correct me if I've stepped (or leapt) over the bounds of possibility. :) Olly - ---------------------- Wise Blood ods196@soton.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 10:52:06 -0700 From: "Gerry Mckelvey" Subject: Re: DG: x files and dg - ---------- > From: Olly > To: Delta Green List > Subject: Re: DG: x files and dg > Date: Sunday, May 17, 1998 7:14 AM > Well, Azathoth is the "monstrous nuclear chaos at the > centre of the universe" (something like that, anyway) so > theoretically It could be manifest in the heart of a > nuclear explosion or a reactor core; or, if you want to > _really_ freak the players out, it could be that Azathoth > (or an aspect of Azathoth) exists simultaenously in the > structure of every atom in the universe... hmm, putting Azathoth into three mile island would explain somethings...I don't live that far away from it and the idea of some workers worshiping Unit Two in the dead of night might be wierd enough to work with... > Also, Yog-Sothoth's ability to be all places and > times at once brings the wilder theories of quantum physics > to mind. > There was a story in the news about some researchers that managed to "teleport" some particles across a room somewhere in europe...I don't remember the details..but for our purposes here, I wonder what would happen if some MJ-12 folks decide to expieriment with some new "equations" and end up summoning yog-sothoth instead...hmm....Elder God warp drive anyone? ooooo, wouldn't THAT be a star trek nightmare!!! > Olly > ---------------------- > Wise Blood > ods196@soton.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 17:16:27 +0100 From: NICK Subject: DG: Fun and Games one of my players came out with the best line ever;- whilst arguing with a 'mythos - expert' type character "Less malignant? Listen, I know Tsathoggua, and he's a complete bastard" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 16:04:09 EDT From: Croaker Jr Subject: Re: DG: x files and dg << I wonder...can you fax or email someone a mythos spell? Can technology be the vehicle for an outer god? or could technology have an outer god to call it's own? >> Someone brought this up a couple weeks ago I think, and it started a thread on the prospect of using photocopied Mythos tomes, which also has implications of maybe having them posted up in HTML someplace if a sorcerer somehow didn't mind sharing the secrets with the whole world. I've been itching to do a little story on Y'golonac going public--you know, having a convert send his name in mass e-mail to everybody on the internet to spread the joy that much more. It was also pointed out earlier that Chaosium's "The Stars Are Right!" featured a scenario that tinkered a little with the Cybermythos idea, sending spells via e-mail and using computers to connect with various critters From Beyond. As for ways to provide new twists and challenges to a group that has been doing Cthulhu for seven years, read the "Then and Now" section of DG. That is all about how the tried-and-true features of Call of Cthulhu have changed since the 1920s, with some old threats becoming less threatening and some changing their approach. Lots of good ideas (though personally I wasn't totally convinced at the treatment of Deep Ones). Also, it's worth exploring a change in basic themes with a DG campaign. In most CoC campaigns the theme has been discovery on an individual level (the players) of the horrors that the universe holds; DG provides a forum for exploring the theme of humanity as a whole making those discoveries, connecting the bits of knowledge that Lovecraft waxed coolly about in the first paragraph of "The Call of Cthulhu." The players' role in things and their experiences can have a very different context and "feel" than in traditional Cthulhu games. <> It's all in how you play it. The beauty of DG is that you have two competing gangs of MIBs who are at each other's throats: the PCs and the boys from <>. Of course, smart DG operatives will try to NOT look like MIBs, because DG wants to keep the nonsense secret and everybody knows that MIBs are into something deep. Which is one reason I'm looking forward to seeing the "Conspiracy X" chapter in DG COUNTDOWN; in a DG campaign, Mulder & Scully trying to go public with the truth would be the villains of the piece. Which should make for some fun gaming when the players are the ones trying to silence them for the good of humanity. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 17:19:30 EDT From: theherald@juno.com (Michael Layne) Subject: Re: DG: Fun and Games On Sun, 17 May 1998 17:16:27 +0100 NICK writes: >one of my players came out with the best line ever;- > >whilst arguing with a 'mythos - expert' type character > >"Less malignant? Listen, I know Tsathoggua, and he's a complete >bastard" > Not bad! Then there was the conversation between two DG Friendlies (CDR Eloise Falworth, MD, and a USAF Intelligence LTCOL), at Offut AFB, while looking at some photos the former had surreptitiously taken of Fungi from Yuggoth visiting a security area: LTCOL: "Little Green Men, hmm?" Falworth: "Well, they _are_ kind of small... Lighting conditions weren't the best, but they do seem to be greenish... But, if you can tell their _sex_ from these photos, you've got sharper eyes than me!" Michael theherald@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:22:42 -0700 From: paposehn@juno.com (Phil A Posehn) Subject: Re: DG: Condensed Characters How about "Semi-Burned-Out Gonzo journalist/ acid head who gets a bonus on all sanity rolls because he thinks the monsters are just the acid flashbacks" Fear and loathing in Innsmouth Phil _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 18:18:09 EDT From: theherald@juno.com (Michael Layne) Subject: Re: DG: Condensed Characters On Sun, 17 May 1998 14:22:42 -0700 paposehn@juno.com (Phil A Posehn) writes: >How about "Semi-Burned-Out Gonzo journalist/ acid head who gets a >bonus on all sanity rolls because he thinks the monsters are just the >acid flashbacks" >Fear and loathing in Innsmouth >Phil Or "DG Friendly Navy Medical Corps Officer and marine biologist on loan to NUMA (as in Clive Cussler) who always seems to get the paranormal assignments"? (Maybe DG will eventually get to the formality of recruiting her as an agent? They liked the way she ran over 36 charging Zombies with her Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited in a recent case...):) (CDR Eloise Margaret Falworth, USN) or "DG Friendly Naval Line Officer (happily married to an author of historical romances who has some vampires as contacts...) and Weirdness Magnet, who specifically requested transfer to a unit serving in the Persian Gulf, so that he could face mere Scud and Exocet missiles, Iraqi gunboats, and terrorists, rather than Mythos critters!" :) (CDR Michael Holland, USN) or "DG Friendly Parapsychology Grad Student (at Miskatonic, where else?) and Belushi Clone, who watches wrestling, eats Ding Dongs, drinks Golden Age, runs from Mythos monsters, drives an Edsel, and is at least as liberal as the above Line Officer is conservative? (They have saved each other's lives on more than one occasion...):) (Niles Hubbard Boardman) (No, not all of these are my characters, but they do share the same campaign...):) Michael theherald@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 01:12:27 -0400 From: "R. Menzi" Subject: DG: Azathoth & nuclear reactions Here's a tibit from an old copy of the 1920's _Keepers_Compendium_, which I inheirited from a friend who was retiring from this non-sense. Maybe you could combine the reactor worshiping workers with the Insects from Shagghai? Page: #62, Heading: the Insects from Shagghai Topic: Insect Philosophy, 2nd paragraph "Insects worship Azathoth in his most primative form - raw nuclear energy. A small piece of Azathoth powers every temple the Insects use for their interplanetary travel. Scientific and rational in all other respects, the Insects still pay reverence to the atomic powerplants that power their temples, which by human definition are simply space ships. But to the Insects their ships are their temples, and the radioactive material of the powerplants, parts of their living god, Azathoth." Enjoy, R. Menzi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:59:53 +0100 From: Nick Subject: DG: scarey stuff I remember years ago, when I started playing CoC, none of the scenarios were ever any good when we played them (well, that's a little unfair, but anyway), because most of us knew what the monsters we were facing were, what they could do, etc; we tended to face a lot of them (because cultists were boring), and our characters survived a lot more, because back in these days nobody wanted to play games where they got butchered horribly in the first three or four minutes. As a keeper, I was just as guilty as all the others I knew in this; but the first time I heard a player say "Oh, it's only a star-spawn, not the big C himself; let's have a crack at it then", I realised something was wrong. These days the graveyards, lunatic asylums, and ghoul's bellies of the world are filled to the brim with my players old characters; basically, you've got to give the creatures of the mythos credit; if a Pc is under the delusion he can take out anything harder than a sand dweller with his side-arm, then he deserves to die horribly. Confrontations with elder gods or great old ones should pretty much mean death or permanent insanity for players - in almost all cases. Bare in mind that a great old one isn't just a big, tentacled monster that will squash you if you can, but is perfectly capable of blasting your brains through the back of your head from half a galaxy away just by dreaming about it (probably). On the rare occasions you allow a Pc to escape such a confrontation, make sure they realise that isn't the end of it. The story Operation: Looking glass in Alien Intelligence has a good example of how you might play this. Or, as another example; someone on this list suggested an encounter with Yog-Sothoth could result in strange discrepancies occuring for the rest of the character's life - his wife is suddenly a blonde; he had three kids, but everybdy only remembers two - has he slipped into another dimension? Or is he just going mad? He need never know, but having to make a SAN check everytime he turns the corner and see's that all barbers shop poles are now white and blue will really piss him off. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:19:50 -0700 From: "Gerry Mckelvey" Subject: DG: Re: Azathoth & nuclear reactions > > Page: #62, > Heading: the Insects from Shagghai > Topic: Insect Philosophy, 2nd paragraph > > > "Insects worship Azathoth in his most primative form - raw nuclear energy. > A small piece of Azathoth powers every temple the Insects use for their > interplanetary travel. Scientific and rational in all other respects, the > Insects still pay reverence to the atomic powerplants that power their > temples, which by human definition are simply space ships. But to the > Insects their ships are their temples, and the radioactive material of the > powerplants, parts of their living god, Azathoth." > Enjoy, > R. Menzi that has got to be one of the most evil ideas that I have heard....imagine the impact of that on NRC inspectors or the greenpeace wackos we get in these parts (sub-niggurath cult/shaggi war anyone?) thanks for the idea! Jerry McKelvey Exitus Acta Probat. ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V1 #25 *******************************