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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:06:20 +0900
From: ft203004@fsinet.or.jp (Jay and Mikiko Noyes)
Subject: Re: DG: RE: Modified Rules?

>As far as the Rifle/Shotgun thing goes, I've shot both, and they are a BIT
>different, but not all that much. The principals are the same, and there's
>about as much difference in aim point between firing a typical rifle and a
>typical shotgun as between firing, say, a very heavy-caliber rifle and a
>very light-caliber rifle. We don't require different skills for
>different-caliber rifles, so why require it for rifles and shotguns? Now, if
>you're talking about the difference between shooting at birds and shooting
>at a deer, well, those are pretty different skills, but you can shoot at a
>deer with a shotgun (at close range anyway). I just don't see any reason to
>make them separate skills.

As I believe I've said before, if the character has a rifle skill, I just
give them a +5% bonus with a shotgun, and if they have a shotgun skill, they
get a 5% penalty with a rifle.  A tad crude, but it works out.  The rules
for CoC are such that they can be adapted fairly easily.  The nice thing is
that stats really don't matter that much; when the Big Guy comes, being an
expert sniper will do little to stop your brains from running out your ears.

Jay

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:13:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: "P. Cirone" <cironp@muss.CIS.McMaster.Ca>
Subject: Re: DG: Re: Modified Rules?

Has anyone looked at the DG short story anthologies called DeltaGreen:
Alian Intelligence? I just ordered it from Amazon.Com and was wondering if
anyone on the list has made them into scenarios for their players. (I just
 can't wait for it to come in).

Pasquale 

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Pasquale Cirone. B.Sc. -Honours Molecular Biology and Biotechnology- 
Phone: (905) 312-8506 
E-mail: cironp@muss.CIS.mcmaster.ca
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:45:13 +0000
From: "Taz" <taz2@hertz.ukonline.co.uk>
Subject: DG: DG at Gen Con UK

> Robert Thomas wrote:
> > 
> <snip>
> > Anyone have any more information on "GenConUK" as this is the first
> > time I've heard of it?
> > 
> > thanks
> > 
> > rob
> > 
> > J.R.E.Thomas.
> > Science Library PC Room Advisor ext 6135 / 5128.
> > MScII City and Regional Planning Student.
> > ThomasR@cardiff.ac.uk
> 
> Hey, nice to see someone on from my old University :-0
> 
> You've missed out, there _IS_ a Eruo GenCon this year, and the details
> should be on this URL:
> 
> 	http://web.ukonline.co.uk/members/rpgauk/
> 
> I'll be going along with a few of my mates from Cardiff, so
> if you're interested and stuck for transport or a group
> to travel with (and the car's small enough), give me
> an EMail.
> 
> BTW, I don't think there are any planned DG events (obligatory
> DG content), but I plan on intro'ing my playesr to the game
> while I'm there :-)

Actually, there is ONE DG -type game at Gen Con UK this year.  This I 
know for a fact as I'm writing it right now.

It's being written for the GrandMaster event but I might be cajoled 
into letting a copy fly free to be run by others... It's set up for 
seven PISCES agents to investigate two completely unassociated events 
- - cults in Eire and why a senior researcher at the Porton Down 
Research Center wants some mythos books....

Mail me off-list to discuss options...

Be seeing you


Taz (Steve Cansdale)
RPGA Europe IT Co-ordinator and Event Co-ordinator
(Taz2@ukonline.co.uk)

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:33:03 -0400
From: "Elliot A. Rushing" <lex@trellis.net>
Subject: Re: DG: Re: Modified Rules and Cops.

Howdy, Phil. :)

>You wouldn't be able to post a blank homicide/violent crime/robbery
>report/form/whatever to the list (or to me directly if preferred), would
>you?
>I've been looking for a good way to make my players do more work in the
>campaign, especially jounraling their adventures (in D&D), but filing
>reports
>after each adventure would be excellent, especially whe  IAD start
>lookin at them askance after the (possibly unlawful) shooting of culists
>summoning something really nasty...


I'd be leery of posting forms to the net, but you can easily simulate such a
report yourself.  A report has to answer the who, what, when, where, why,
and how.  Each case also has a unique number (preferably a long one, it's
more annoying) for tracking purposes.  There needs to be specific contact
information (addresses, phone numbers) and ID info (height, weight, et al.)
for victims and witnesses.  As your investigators develop information, they
need to file additional supplemental reports to update the paper trail --
the purpose for this is so that superiors and other officers can keep up to
date on the status of the investigation.

You could simply draft and print two forms for this, and hand 'em out.
Watch them blink.  Twice. ;)

Usually an initial operations report is a public record available to the
media (if it's a local agency investigation initiated by a 911 call -- may
not be applicable to DG), but the supplemental reports are not -- thus,
investigators usually use minimal info on the initial report and save stuff
for the supplemental(s).  Also, if the case involves certain types of people
(e.g., juveniles), depending on local laws some ID info may not be public
record.

In addition to paperwork (which, believe me, is a *major* part of law
enforcement -- it's how we keep track of each other), you may want to throw
in hard-case supervisor or, even better, an interested media type or two.
Even benign reporters (and many of them are) can still be a pain to the
working investigator who wants to keep some things secret.  The media
sometimes even scoop the investigators, which can be embarrassing.  :)



>It always surprises me to see cops using MP-5SD's, after all why supress
>your gun when you're doing and a dynamic entry and loudly identifying
>themselves as police, why carry a suppressor? Surely it just makes you
>look bad to the press and anti-gunners?


Good question, Phil.  The first response is that we don't fire them unless
necessary, so thankfully this is generally an operationally-moot point.

If I remember correctly, we got the MP-5SDs (which I don't think cost any
more than the standard MP-5s for us) for some technical reason (I think to
eliminate canine threats quietly if necessary - a number of our more
prominent dealers have big angry rottweilers -- still, that hasn't been
necessary in practice, as OC spray does the trick.  For identification,
nothing beats yelling and megaphones -- you don't wanna spray bullets for
that -- the potential for liability there gives me a headache.

If we need to disorient a target to remove a threat, we use audio-visual
distraction devices ("flash-bang" grenades) -- again, less dangerous and
more effective than popping off rounds from a submachine gun (that might
motivate folks on both sides to start shooting, thinking a fire-fight had
started, which would be a disaster).

Also, they're nifty as hell at the range, and have a nice "gee-whiz" value
for the public (it *is* America, after all).  The suppressor, by the way, is
internal to the barrel., and doesn't lengthen it or "stick out."  You can't
remove it -- you'd need a new barrel.  They look for the most part just like
other MP-5s, but they sound like vacuum cleaners.

Also, to throw another perspective on this, think about the replay of a
shooting incident that *wasn't*
ound-suppressed...  --Blam-blam-blam-blam-blam--- isn't gonna sound good (to
us -- it will sound *great* to news directors) 15 times on the three major
networks over and over.  "Whrrr" just isn't as attractive for media
propagation, and it certainly won't drown out sirens or "HEY!  DROP THE GUN
NOW!"  'Course, if you fire while you're saying that, you may have a
different set of problems.;)  Also, the "whrr" sound doesn't deafen/startle
all the other cops around you, which is another tactical plus.



>Hmm... perhaps I should take this to Private mail, or the tactics list,
>but i'm trying to get a _little_ amount of realism in the game.


I think this sort of discussion is what the list is for, but I would point
out my general position that you don't want *too* much realism in a game
played for fun -- the threats the players face is bad enough, let them feel
good about their submachine guns and high skill levels.  It won't help them
in the end, but it will increase their level of fun in the short term.

>12 Gauge fight stopper? More light fight not-starter from some of the
>stories I've heard about the sheer intimidation value of pumping
>around and delivering your best Clint Eastwood line :-)


Actually, "shucking" the shotgun is very effective as an attention getter,
and can quieten a hostile crowd quickly.


>Thanks again, I'm going to be doing a good bit of work on my campaign
>intro this coming week, so I may have to ask you a few more questions.


No problem - although I will be out of the office next week attending an
arson investigations school (as a student), so my responses may be delayed.
Also, if the questions get really specific so that they wouldn't interest
the others on the list, feel free to use my direct email.

 Good luck with your campaign. ;)


Elliot.
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Elliot Rushing
lex@trellis.net

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:53:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: "G. Wyckoff" <gwyckoff@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: DG: Re: Modified Rules and Cops.

<LOTS of good stuff snipped>
> 
> You could simply draft and print two forms for this, and hand 'em out.
> Watch them blink.  Twice. ;)

Or, better yet, go to Office Depot, get some carbon Paper (yes, they still
make it) , and staple a carbon paper piece between two (or three!)
identical forms.  Then you get to use that most satisfying of lines, 
"Press hard, you're making copies." 
Also, you can keep a copy and so can they. It'll be annoying for them, as
well, and it is notoriously difficult to correct mistakes: modifying a
carbon copy is a pain in the neck.  So when they mistakenly write
"Cthuloid Cultist" instead of "suspect", they get to have the joy of
explaing the crossed out line to their NPC supervisor. ;)

			Jerry

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:58:23 -0700
From: Joseph Camp <alphonse@delta-green.com>
Subject: Re: DG: Newbie questions Ahoy [keepers only]

>Heres a question that Alphonse may be able to help with. Given the various
>discussions about Pagan releasing some of their new wares at GenCon, will
>they be doing the same for EuroGenCon, or "GenCon UK" as its now
>officially known? Might be nice for your British fans if you could,
>especially if Countdown  is ready by then.

I can safely say that Pagan doesn't have the resources to attend 
EuroGenCon--I gather they're lucky just to attend the rent each month. 
Whatever happens to be on sale at EuroGenCon will be whatever is in the 
hands of Euro distributors and retailers present at the show.

be seeing you,
Alphonse

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:47:59
From: Davide Mana <doctor.dee@iol.it>
Subject: DG: Fissile encounters 

Greetings, everybody.

Phil A. Posehn (if I'm not mistaken) wrote a few days back...
>On a somewhat related topic, did anybody catch the program on PBS 
>about a year ago about the Russian who had been smuggling fissionables 
>out of the country in his TROUSERS??

Maybe the guy was around here sometimes recently...
Yesterday evening a kid identified only as P.M. found "a radioactive
cylinder weighting several kilograms" lying in the street out of his
granny's house, in the outskirts of Novara (Northern Italy).
Being a kid (and not having a Geiger counter at hand) he picked it up and
brought it home where his father, noticing the "Pt413" code printed on the
thing, called the fire brigade.
"Experts" from the nearby Trino Vercellese power plant and from Milan
(Army?  University? Secret Services? Your guess is as good as mine...)
immediately seized the cylinder, sealed the house after their counters went
over in the red, and had the kid to the nearest hospital for controls.

Just for the conspiracy-minded guys out there (if any... :>), Novara is the
seat of one of the largest and most important Air Bases in Italy - Cameri,
home of the 53rd Fighter Wing.
The place is downright spooky (I spent one year there as an Airman and
Cthulhu keeper), lost as it is among the rice-paddies and the fog. While I
was there we had (among other things) at least one UFO sighting in the base
airspace and a "ghost" haunting - of all things - the Nuclear
Decontamination Area. And a Satanist on the force.

More details available on request.
Cheers.

						Davide Mana
						Torino, Italy
						doctor.dee@iol.it

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:11:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duran Goodyear <dug96@hampshire.edu>
Subject: Re: DG: Fissile encounters 

YES!  MORE DETAILS PLEASE!!!
I love stories like this, cause it shows just how lax and open some of the
most dangerous places can be...  and then you throw in the ghosts and
UFO's///
ohhh...
fun.



> 
> Maybe the guy was around here sometimes recently...
> Yesterday evening a kid identified only as P.M. found "a radioactive
> cylinder weighting several kilograms" lying in the street out of his
> granny's house, in the outskirts of Novara (Northern Italy).
> Being a kid (and not having a Geiger counter at hand) he picked it up and
> brought it home where his father, noticing the "Pt413" code printed on the
> thing, called the fire brigade.
> "Experts" from the nearby Trino Vercellese power plant and from Milan
> (Army?  University? Secret Services? Your guess is as good as mine...)
> immediately seized the cylinder, sealed the house after their counters went
> over in the red, and had the kid to the nearest hospital for controls.
> 
> Just for the conspiracy-minded guys out there (if any... :>), Novara is the
> seat of one of the largest and most important Air Bases in Italy - Cameri,
> home of the 53rd Fighter Wing.
> The place is downright spooky (I spent one year there as an Airman and
> Cthulhu keeper), lost as it is among the rice-paddies and the fog. While I
> was there we had (among other things) at least one UFO sighting in the base
> airspace and a "ghost" haunting - of all things - the Nuclear
> Decontamination Area. And a Satanist on the force.
> 
> More details available on request.
> Cheers.
> 
> 						Davide Mana
> 						Torino, Italy
> 						doctor.dee@iol.it
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:18:53 -0500
From: Nightstar <shepherd@infocom.com>
Subject: Re: DG: RE: Modified Rules?

At 01:06 AM 6/19/98 +0900, you wrote:
>>As far as the Rifle/Shotgun thing goes, I've shot both, and they are a BIT
>>different, but not all that much. The principals are the same, and there's
>>about as much difference in aim point between firing a typical rifle and a
>>typical shotgun as between firing, say, a very heavy-caliber rifle and a
>>very light-caliber rifle. We don't require different skills for
>>different-caliber rifles, so why require it for rifles and shotguns? Now, if
>>you're talking about the difference between shooting at birds and shooting
>>at a deer, well, those are pretty different skills, but you can shoot at a
>>deer with a shotgun (at close range anyway). I just don't see any reason to
>>make them separate skills.
>
>As I believe I've said before, if the character has a rifle skill, I just
>give them a +5% bonus with a shotgun, and if they have a shotgun skill, they
>get a 5% penalty with a rifle.  A tad crude, but it works out.  The rules
>for CoC are such that they can be adapted fairly easily.  The nice thing is
>that stats really don't matter that much; when the Big Guy comes, being an
>expert sniper will do little to stop your brains from running out your ears.
>
>Jay
>
Reminds me of a time when my players brought an expert marksman with them
to handle the baddies. They set him up in a sniper's nest and proceeded to
stir the hornets' nest. Imagine their surprise when instead of cultists,
something unmentionable emerged. Imagine their dismay when their expert
marksman lost his mind and began dropping everything in sight, including
them. It is one of my fondest memories, and also one of the survivors'
favorite war stories. Just goes to prove, you never know where the bomb is.
- -----------------------------------------------------------
Finally, a light at the end of the tunnel......heh heh heh.
					Nightstar

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:52:06 -0500 (CDT)
From: Don Juneau <djuneau@io.com>
Subject: DG: Sick Humour: Evil Filk-fragment...

I suggested this to a friend, to who I've been forwarding the funnies and
most interesting bits o' list, and now she wants me dead. "Share the
insanity", sez I...

To the tune of the Grinch song, either the original or the cover...

"He's a sick one, Mr. Squick..."

I'm fairly certain it will degenerate from there, but the MiB can
undoubtedly do a weirder job than I...

Don of the Unsullied Brain

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 07:11:23 -0400
From: "R. Menzi" <menzi@asan.com>
Subject: DG: Satanists in the military

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>>>The place is downright spooky (I spent one year there as an Airman
and Cthulhu keeper), lost as it is among the rice-paddies and the fog.
While I was there we had (among other things) at least one UFO
sighting in the base airspace and a "ghost" haunting - of all things -
the Nuclear Decontamination Area. And a Satanist on the force.<<<


I hear that the ol' Church of Satan has a tidy little following in
military circles, what with all that rehashed Nietzsche-esque
philosophy it spouts.  Of course, I think that the goal of the group
was something like a cynical version of what Scientology has achieved
(That would be a group with a surcharge for general members, and an
"in group" that is good for networking, but without actually believing
the image they sell to the masses.)  In that, I think the C.o'Satan
failed compared to the C.o'Scientology, but CoSci members seem to
actually beleive the bullshit they sell.

Learn well the wisdom of gypsies and crack dealers, never buy what you
sell.

Regards,
<<<R. Menzi>>>

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:15:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: Don Juneau <djuneau@io.com>
Subject: Re: DG: Re: Modified Rules and Cops.

On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, Elliot A. Rushing wrote:

<in reply to another list-reader>

> >You wouldn't be able to post a blank homicide/violent crime/robbery
> >report/form/whatever to the list (or to me directly if preferred), would
> >you?
> >I've been looking for a good way to make my players do more work in the
> >campaign, especially jounraling their adventures (in D&D), but filing
> >reports
> >after each adventure would be excellent, especially whe  IAD start
> >lookin at them askance after the (possibly unlawful) shooting of culists
> >summoning something really nasty...
> 
> I'd be leery of posting forms to the net, but you can easily simulate such a
> report yourself.  A report has to answer the who, what, when, where, why,
> and how.  Each case also has a unique number (preferably a long one, it's
> more annoying) for tracking purposes.  There needs to be specific contact
> information (addresses, phone numbers) and ID info (height, weight, et al.)
> for victims and witnesses.  As your investigators develop information, they
> need to file additional supplemental reports to update the paper trail --
> the purpose for this is so that superiors and other officers can keep up to
> date on the status of the investigation.
> 
> You could simply draft and print two forms for this, and hand 'em out.
> Watch them blink.  Twice. ;)

There are some forms of that nature in the ARKHAM SANATARIUM "forms"
package from Chaosium - death certificate and fingerprint record. I seem
to recall seeing a coroner's worksheet <?> and/or a general crime-report
form in some other book, probably non-CoC. (I can't remember offhand,
tho.) Your local copshop *might* be willing to part with a blank, but I'd
not bet on it. (Certainly they'll wish to know why..) 

So, we cheat. <G> I recall seeing (crappily-reproduced) reports and such
in detective magazines, but I don't know the likelihood of finding them at
random. Older ('60s/'70s, IIRC) forms may be found in Michael Crichton's
THE TERMINAL MAN, and may be cleaned up/enlarged for your own use. And of
course, your friend and mine, criminology textbooks. (My good one is
currently borrowed, but IIRC it's CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION, orange
hardback, authour/pub unknown, but I got it at a Salvation Army for fifty
cents. <G> There's a nice newer one at a local used book-store, but I'm
not feeling like paying $30 <!> for it yet.) 

Just remember, kids, the same basic safety rules as using them neat
secrecy stamps for docco - don't lose your papers! Rest assured, you
*will* be explaining why you seem to be carrying "authentic" casefiles,
and mundanes are a cowardly, superstitious lot... ("mundanes" are to 
"gamers" as "civilians" are to "law enforcement". <G>)

Don

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:40:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: gmgm@netmcr.com (G.M.)
Subject: Re: DG: Sick Humour: Evil Filk-fragment...

>To the tune of the Grinch song, either the original or the cover...
>
>"He's a sick one, Mr. Squick..."

As a new person to the list, I almost hesitate to ask, but, who is Mr.
Squick? I'm already afraid of the answer...kinda apropo to the list, tho...

GAry m, minor epot
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DNRC Member since 1995
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:36:04 -0500 (CDT)
From: Don Juneau <djuneau@io.com>
Subject: Re: DG: Sick Humour: Evil Filk-fragment...

On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, G.M. wrote:

> >To the tune of the Grinch song, either the original or the cover...
> >
> >"He's a sick one, Mr. Squick..."
> 
> As a new person to the list, I almost hesitate to ask, but, who is Mr.
> Squick? I'm already afraid of the answer...kinda apropo to the list, tho...

The Man In Black, a *very* odd person in Hawaii, came up with a sick idea
a short while back: a madman who has amourous relations with severed
heads. (Rest assured, it *was* squick. Not for all tastes, to say the
least.)

It's available via the back-digest archive, at the DG-mailinglist page.
(I'd put the URL to there, but I forget some of *my* pages' URLs, and keep
having to look up the path to my own ML's archive. <G>)

Don

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:02:27 PDT
From: "Aaron Litz" <seven7ring@hotmail.com>
Subject: DG: Query-  The Legacy of Henry Armitage

     I have a question for anyone who can answer it.  I seem to remember 
reading somewhere about something called the Armitage Foundation, run by 
Miskatonic University for the purpose of investigating paranormal 
phenomena.  Now, I don't know if any game material has been published 
dealing with this, but I would really like to  find out ( otherwise I'm 
going to have to make it up.)  Doesn't this sound like an organization 
that could get mixed up with DG?  If anyone has any ideas about this, 
please respond.

Milk and Cookies

Aaron Litz

" The rich, the poor, the strong, the weak, we share this place 
together, and we pitch-in to help it die."

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:35:04 PDT
From: "Aaron Litz" <seven7ring@hotmail.com>
Subject: DG: Sword Bearing Fractured Statue

   What is the scene on the cover of the DG book?  Is it a reference to 
a playtest game or just a pretty picture?  Does anyone know?  Does 
anyone besides me care?

Milk and Cookies

Aaron Litz

" Its like a Giant Mechanical Brain"

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:19:39 +0200
From: Phil Ward <pward@orctel.co.uk>
Subject: DG: Re: Cops.

Elliot A. Rushing wrote:
> 
> Howdy, Phil. :)
<snippage>
> 
> You could simply draft and print two forms for this, and hand 'em out.
> Watch them blink.  Twice. ;)
That's exactly what I'm expecting. I'm going to tell them to expect a 
fair bit of realism in the game, and to take careful notes when 
investigating (journals after all), but not to expect the forms, etc.
I have some nice simple forms I re-drafted from somebody's Shadowrun
site, but I have to get a decent LAPD logo to replace the 'Lone Star'
badge on top.

> Usually an initial operations report is a public record available to the
> media....
<report stuff snipped>

Thanks, that's a useful piece of information to add to a small-print
disclaimer to the bottom of the forms.

I actually intend to give the players a stable of characters to
work with, one primary 'Star' character most likely a homicide
detective,
two 'gogs' (to borrow the Ars Magica term, and no offense meant) from
the
regular police, emergency paramedics or SWAT, and a professor type
character,
for information purposes who will act as a guest-star/recurring
character
to provide very specific scientific data.

This _is_going to confuse things, but it does mean they have easy access
to a character who should immediately fit into the group, and has a
reason to invesitage along-side them. 

So far, one of my players in a rare fit of enthusiasm, had come up with
the idea of playing a police-affiliated clairvoyant!!! 

I had specifically gone out of my way not to tell them they'd be going
anywhere near the occult or paranormal! Reporters were the first 
guest-star I'd though of, and would make a great way for one player
to annoy the rest of the group :-)


Yeah, I knew about the paperwork, I have an uncle in the Police
over here (Wales), and it seems to take a major part of his time.

<my query about MP5-SD's>
> Good question, Phil.  The first response is that we don't fire them unless
> necessary, so thankfully this is generally an operationally-moot point.
<snip more MP5 stuff>

Quite, that's about the answer I'd expected, and confirms a few things
I'd learnt on the tactics-list. Ta.


One quick query; are you taken off active-duty and assigned paperwork
after discharging your weapon? I have a vague recollection of a
'real-life' style cop-show, perhaps the 'real Miami vice', who
complained
that Crocket and Tubbs would never do any work if they fired as often
as they did. They'd spend there life doing parperwork and dreading
the next official enquiry into each and every shot.

Thanks in advance, and take care

Phil Ward

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 04:22:17 EDT
From: SGlancy12@aol.com
Subject: DG: Foreign Intelligence Service Templates

Greetings Gentlemen, 

Recently R.J. Andron posted a rather nicely detailed overview of Canada's
national security and law enforcement organs. We here a Pagan Publishing were
quite impressed with the treatment and think that the only way it could be
better is if it was presented in the form of an Agency Template, like for the
American Agencies in Delta Green. We've already collected all we need on
England, but there a number of other Foreign Intelligence Services I'm sure
players and keepers would like to see included in the next Delta Green book.

We're looking for agency templates on these services. No more than 800 words
or so for a large agency (like the KGB) and no less than 350 words for a small
agency with limited mission (like the West German Border police, who also just
happen to be the agency in charge of Germany's elite anti-terrorist unit, the
GSG-9). 

We need them presented in the same way that the US agencies were presented in
Delta Green. History, background, numbers and a sample character.

We're all stocked up on UK agencies, so don't even ask. But we could use
material on Canada, Germany, France, Russia (except the GRU, we have that
covered), Austrailia, Japan, Israel and we'd be willing to consider any others
you might offer. Any Turks, Swedes, Italians or Nigerians are welcome to
apply.

We would prefer if the agency templates were done by a national of that
country, but we won't hold it against the Canadians if they write up a great
template for the Japanese.

If we accept your template, Pagan Publishing can offer to pay 3 cents a word,
our going rate, payment made upon publication. We'll also get you five
contributor copies of Delta Green: Countdown whe it comes out.

As to which templates we will select, that's up to us. It's why we get paid
the big bucks. If there are multiple folks out there who are just dying to do
a template of the Mossad, all I can say is "may the best template win." 

Right now I'm going to put a deadline on these templates for July 30, 1998.
After that date we won't consider any more.

Be Seeing You, 

 Adam Scott Glancy, Pagan Publishing Business Manager

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:29:59 -0400
From: "R. Menzi" <menzi@asan.com>
Subject: Re: DG: Sword Bearing Fractured Statue

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>>>What is the scene on the cover of the DG book?  Is it a reference
to a playtest game or just a pretty picture?  Does anyone know?  Does
anyone besides me care?<<<

Well, I don't know what is is exactly, but calling it a statue is what
the game system would see as a explanation that one comes up with when
they make their SAN roll.  Actually, I think the image is supposed to
be a creature that moves in 4+ geometrical dimentions, as alien to us
as we would be to beings that live in only 2 dimentions.  It's body
may not seem conected, but that is because we cannot precieve the
dimentions in which it moves.

The book _Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land_ had some references to this sort
of thing.  The plane is 90 degrees from evrything else, and may be
several sets of these "angles" from our reality.  Maybe different
creatures move through different of these "angles" letting them move
about in literally different dimentions {as in two lines that share
one co-ordinate, but one extends down the Y axis and on the Z axis}
but still the same reality.

Needless to say, understanding just what this "shattered statue" is
has a strong effect on SAN.  Like trying to find the outline of
Daoloth, it does more than show you a nasty, it shakes our grasp on
the delusion we call reality.  If the agents/friendlies were lucky,
they thought it was a broken statue that's pieces were levitating. 
This is likely since they were shooting at the thing through 3
dimentional space, which the creature can get around to some degree.

I can sort of explain it, but that's becasue I saw a college
mathamatics project that created a 3 dimention representation of a 4
dimentional object, like drawing a square on a peice of paper.  I
didn't really grasp it then, and I still don't really get it, but I
understand the theory and prefer not to think about it too often,
though at some point I plan to look into it deeper.

Regards,
<<<R. Menzi>>>

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:12:29 +0200
From: Lars_inge Lindbom <power.lil@sodertalje.mail.telia.com>
Subject: Re: DG: Query-  The Legacy of Henry Armitage

Aaron Litz wrote:
> 
>      I have a question for anyone who can answer it.  I seem to remember
> reading somewhere about something called the Armitage Foundation, run by
> Miskatonic University for the purpose of investigating paranormal
> phenomena.  Now, I don't know if any game material has been published
> dealing with this, but I would really like to  find out ( otherwise I'm
> going to have to make it up.)  Doesn't this sound like an organization
> that could get mixed up with DG?  If anyone has any ideas about this,
> please respond.
> 
>There is some information abaut the Armitage library in the CoC scenario "A resection of time".I do also think it´s useable as a Deltagreen scenario with minor changes.I´m going to run it in my campaign.
Lars-Inge lindbom.Stockholm,Sweden.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:51:54 -0400
From: "R. Menzi" <menzi@asan.com>
Subject: DG: agent and his friendlies

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>>>I actually intend to give the players a stable of characters to
work with, one primary 'Star' character most likely a homicide
detective, two 'gogs' (to borrow the Ars Magica term, and no offense
meant) from the regular police, emergency paramedics or SWAT, and a
professor type character, for information purposes who will act as a
guest-star/recurring character to provide very specific scientific
data.<<<

This sounds like an idea that I have that allows a bunch of players
and doesn't overcrowd the DG cell structure.  The agents don't expose
themselves by associating very closely with each other on active
operations.  Each player makes their own agent *and* a friendly for
each other player's agent.  The an opperation is hit by the agents,
each from thier own area of expertise and with their own group of
assistants who are not quite in the know.  The friendlies may even
believe that they are part of a grand gov't conspiricy, but are
unaware of DG's true status.  The agents communicate, but don't
compromise their actions or the rest of their cell by actually working
together.

That being said, each player gets the same RPing time and they can
play their agents when they confer and plan their ops.  This allows
the conspiricy to be bigger than the 78 member estimate and stresses
the role of friendlies in the structure.  It also provides an answer
to the "many cells, one letter" issues that can come up; they are just
seperate agents in the cell that are working on other ops, which is
why you hear about their exploits.  To preserve security, cells are
not informed lightly of any other cells adventures and the
intelligence provided by cell A is distilled into its most pragmatic
form, not a full description of the story.

Anyway, yea, it's similar in some ways to the _Ars_Magica_ idea, but
also has a few side benefits for the DG cells.

Regards,
<<<R. Menzi>>>

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:54:50
From: Davide Mana <doctor.dee@iol.it>
Subject: DG: The Haunting of 53rd Fighter Wing

Greetings again.

Having covered the misterious cylinder in a previous post, I'll expand a
bit about "my weird experiences in the Air Force". Feel free to delete the
whole thing if you are not interested, of course.
I can assure you that these are real stories, however.

Cameri airport is about 8 miles out of Novara, a small industrial town in
northern Italy, midway between Turin and Milan. 
The airport - formerly a bleak detention base for hotheads and other
disciplinary cases - is surrounded by rice-paddies in every direction, and
is home to the 53rd Fighter Wing (aka "Tiger Wing" or more formally "G.
Chiarini Wing").
Within the bounduaries of the base are a few corn fields and a small wood.
Lost in the wood and out of sight from the main body of the base, is an old
hangar that originally housed the Nuclear Decontamination Unit.

The "haunting" began in the early summer of '94, in the switchboard room,
and as I was serving as a switchboard operator, I went through much ot the
story personally.
And yet, I'll start with the UFO sighting.
This and the "haunting" are probably not connected, but, hey, this is the
DG list. And it makes for a nice prologue...

I was the guy that actually got the call from a witness.
Around eleven one night a woman called the base from a farm nearby. 
She told she was seeing clearly a huge light hovering over the base.
I asked her to repeat what she said slowly, and told my back-up to just go
out on the terrace and take a look at the sky. 
He came back in a minute and told me there was nothing unusual.
We forwarded her call to the Tactical Room, as from standing orders, and
forgot about the thing.
She probably called someone else, too, as we had a local hack prowling
around the base and calling us for infos in the following days.
As from standing orders, we stalled the guy.
This was in june 1994.

Maybe two weeks later tha haunting began, after an extremely violent
downpour that really played havoc with our phone lines, and caused a
black-out in the whole Novara area. During the storm, a few guys swore they
saw _green lightning_.
Two or three days later, as things were finally getting back to normal, we
received our first ghost-call.
It was around seven in the evening; the heavy traffic was over for the day,
and almost all of the incoming calls were personal ones for the guys on the
force; nothing official or priority, so no sweat at all.
But someone was playing the fool: both operators on duty complained about
someone that was calling the switchboard from a phone in the Technical
section and then did not speak.
These silent calls kept coming, at about five minutes intervalls, for the
whole evening, and then stopped at about ten o'clock. We traced the calls
to the Pilot Decontamination Shack, and tried calling a nearby phone to
work out what was happening, but our calls were not answered.
The next morning we filed a report and forgot about the thing.
In the evening, around seven, the calls began again, and kept coming for
three hours again.
This went on for three or four days: every evening, every five minutes or
so, for two or three hours, the Pilot Decontamination Shack would call us.
We filed another report and asked for explanations; we were told that it
really was not a problem: the whole Nuclear Decontamination Unit was out of
service, and not only there was nobody there, but there was actually not
even a phone!
So we could not receive these calls, right?
This also explained why our attempts at contacting them had come to
nothing: there was nothing to get our calls, out there in the wood!
However, they sent a tecnician over there, and he found nothing.

A pair of days later, the blear-eyed night-watch operators greeted us in
the morning with the bad news: our phone-that-was-not-there had been
calling all night long, at about three minutes intervals. 
We filed another complaint and again were told that a check had shown nothing.
Late that night the operator on watch found a way to silence the
ghost-caller: he simply connected the incoming line with a notoriously dead
line, so that the phone-that-was-not-there could spend the night ringing
another non-existent phone.
This trick worked for about a week, giving us quiet nights.
As soon as the sun went down the ghost phone would call us and we would
connect it with its virtual counterpart. Fine.

The following week, the ghost learned how to hang up and call us again.
The switchboard terminal started ringing again in the night, this time at
longish, irregular intervals. 
One of the guys started actually to listen to the silence at the other end
of the line, and said he heard something, like a distant, hollow echo, and
a rasping sound. 
As son as he used the word "voice", we told him to cut it and go back to work.
Another week dragged on, with the ghost-calls starting at sundown and
stopping at dawn, and the non-existent caller at the not-existent phone in
the Shack hanging up after a while if we put him on hold, and calling us
again.
We filed complaints daily, and were told not to worry, and were generally
very nervous.

Two of the guys actually took a hike to the Nuclear Decontamination Unit
late one afternoon, finding only a run-down hangar and a small prefab hut
with a very short stretch of landing strip. They were intercepted by a
patrol car and had to explain they were jogging on their free time. They
were told by the sargent to go and jog another way next time.

Then the thing stopped for two full days. 
We were about to celebrate our newly found quiet nights, when we started
receiving complaints from all over the base: someone was ringing random
mumbers on the base phone directory and then giving his silent treatment to
the unfortunate listener. 
By night.
The ghost had learned how to bypass the switchboard and call any number
direct.

Our nights now were haunted by the distant obsessive ringing of a phone
somewhere in an empty office in the building.
Then the ringing would stop, and we knew that the ghost was dialling
another number, somewhere else in the base.
It was downright spooky.

This time the Tech branch of Communications moved real fast - the
complaints came from officers disturbed in their houses at night, not from
airmen on duty.
They worked three days down at the Nuclear Decontamination Unit without
results. One of the guys spent an evening with us on the switchboard to try
and figure out what the heck it was, but it again came to nothing.

Then we had another tremendous thunderstorm, with both energy and
communication blackout.
And we did not ear from the Pilot Decontamination Shack again.
 
Bit of an anti-climax, eh?
Sorry about that.
Any ideas?

Take care.

							Davide Mana
							Torino, Italy
							doctor.dee@iol.it

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