From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V1 #55 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Monday, June 29 1998 Volume 01 : Number 055 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:15:25 -0400 (EDT) From: gmgm@netmcr.com (G.M.) Subject: DG: PGP >>Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.5 for non-commercial use >> I've crawled all over that damn web page, and cannot find the PGP freeware! Anyone care to enlighten me where it might be? (And please, no "You don't have clearence for that info if you can't find it" jokes. =] ) GAry m, minor epot aka "Sneezy the Squid" - ------------------------------ "Decadence is it's own reward" DNRC Member since 1995 AOL Instant Message ID& AOL email address: gmgm1970 ICQ ID#: 8391493 ICQ nick: minor epot ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:51:59 -0400 From: "R. Menzi" Subject: Re: DG: PGP - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>> I've crawled all over that damn web page, and cannot find the PGP freeware! Anyone care to enlighten me where it might be? (And please, no "You don't have clearence for that info if you can't find it" jokes. =] ) <<< First, go to: http://www.nai.com/products/security/security.asp - - From there, chose the "Freeware" link and you will get to the right pages. Your server must be DNS tracable and your likely get on a few lists. Not very serious lists, though; too many harmless fucks like us out there. Regards, <<< R. Menzi >>> - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.5 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNZQX8ahFxkX3nANTEQIzzgCfa+h5oMF7SV4jn75pjPrJMqHQ94gAoJ38 hMbLb1Ob9kaE0zSdIx7n3RXK =J6gy - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:46:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Illuminatus Primus Subject: Re: DG: PGP - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, G.M. wrote: > >>Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.5 for non-commercial use >> > > I've crawled all over that damn web page, and cannot find the PGP freeware! > Anyone care to enlighten me where it might be? (And please, no "You don't > have clearence for that info if you can't find it" jokes. =] ) Rather than Network Associates, I suggest MIT's freeware PGP distro site at: http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html Less commercialism, more source code. And they've got links to the UNIX versions as well, whereas NAI does not. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNZSHG8VnIkW8IEjpAQF7QQP/agF2JXtp7C1h1Y5JgwangLO42lOD9Jj1 g1un6le+gyRhswVZKcBATjVZeP7gPk3p7RH6Elu00u3G7DkvCtrw4prIQJ9l3umK ZnFMtQdkuonMCwE6HH7W8jbqdF5d6bxY+1YeEchJz7dwX7kX2ZrejV6vcgMqj0T+ q7U7GBH03Eo= =4miA - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 02:22:02 EDT From: Imandos@aol.com Subject: DG: Heydrich's Death Reynhard Heydrich's death was not caused by bacillus anthracis, as stated in a few email letters. The clinical course of anthrax does not even resemble the medical facts of the monster's death. In truth, Heydrich was killed by X - botulin, which is the toxin that causes the often-fatal form of food poisoning called botulism. Scientists from Porton Down in England produced a grenade containing a far greater than lethal dose of this absolutely deadly toxin (less than .1 mg would kill anyone) and he suffered a man-made case of the very rare (but nevertheless real) wound botulism, in fact the grenade did contain clostridium botulinum spores and these very likely germinated in the open wound, which was not judged fatal when seen by doctors. But Heydrich soon manifested the neurological symptoms so typical of botulism cases, including the deep coma that preceeds death, and the final respiratory failure caused by the potent neurotoxin X. The German doctors even found traces of the agent in his system. If he had died of anthrax, he would have manifested other symptoms, such as coal black ulcers (cutaneous anthrax), bowell perforation and toxemia (intestinal anthrax), pulmonary edema and failure (pulmonary anthrax), or meningitis and rapid death from brain cell destruction (meningitis caused by b. anthracis, a 100% fatal condition resulting in hemorraging and massive brain damage caused by the lethal toxins made by the bacillus). He at no time manifested any concrete sign of having anthrax, and this would have been duly noted if he had, as anthrax is well known in most medical circles, especially in Europe (where it has a myriad of names, i.e. "carbune"). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:11:50 -0400 From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: Re: DG: Heydrich's Death Imandos wrote: >Reynhard Heydrich's death was not caused by bacillus anthracis, as stated in a >few email letters. The clinical course of anthrax does not even resemble the >medical facts of the monster's death. Agreed. Anthrax and Botulism are totally different beasts. In truth, Heydrich was killed by X - >botulin, which is the toxin that causes the often-fatal form of food poisoning >called botulism. Scientists from Porton Down in England produced a grenade >containing a far greater than lethal dose of this absolutely deadly toxin >(less than .1 mg would kill anyone) and he suffered a man-made case of the >very rare (but nevertheless real) wound botulism, in fact the grenade did >contain clostridium botulinum spores and these very likely germinated in the >open wound, which was not judged fatal when seen by doctors. I think that you missed out the word "allegedly" somewhere here. The offical cause of death was septicaemia. The Gestapo investigation (by department IIg which dealt with assassinations, illegal possession of weapons and sabotage) concluded that death was caused when the bomb fragments together with horse hair [horse faeces contains a number of toxigenic bacterial species - including Cl. botulinum and Cl.perfringens) from the seat stuffing penetrated Heydrich's body "thus causing the fatal blood poisoning". The botulius toxin work at Porton (including work on "the efficacy of contaminated metal fragments in producing lethal wounds") was carried out after Heydrich's death. All this data comes from "The Plague Makers: The secret world of biological warfare" by Wendy Barnaby. Vision Paperbacks 1997: ISBN 1-901250-04-0 UK price 9.99 which is an excellent and informative little read. Note also that the spores themselves don't contain or produce the toxin (they are metabolically inactive) and must germinate for the toxin to be produced. >If he had died of anthrax, he would have manifested other symptoms, such as >coal black ulcers (cutaneous anthrax), bowell perforation and toxemia >(intestinal anthrax), pulmonary edema and failure (pulmonary anthrax), or >meningitis and rapid death from brain cell destruction (meningitis caused by >b. anthracis, a 100% fatal condition resulting in hemorraging and massive >brain damage caused by the lethal toxins made by the bacillus). Yes, very accurate. I posted a little on this too. Very interesting paper in Science on Anthrax Lethal Factor a couple of months back: interferes with cell signalling pathways (MAPP kinase for the biologists). Actually has some possibilities to be used as a cancer treatment! > He at no time >manifested any concrete sign of having anthrax, and this would have been duly >noted if he had, as anthrax is well known in most medical circles, especially >in Europe (where it has a myriad of names, i.e. "carbune"). That's carbuncle [or the English National Opera house as those in the UK know :)] Laters Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:19:33 -0400 From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: Re: DG: re: Bio-agents [Major Snippage] >I've no information on BZ handy, but do know two sources you might check. >First is the Merck Index. This chemical reference work is available at most >college libraries, and could be found at better public libraries. Could also try the following URLs I stumbled across: http://chemdef.apgea.army.mil/ http://www.nbc-med.org/ Both of which are US army resources on nuclear, biological and chemical warfare - including links to field manuals etc. Most good organic chemistry textbooks will also have plenty of interesting data (but you may need to dig somewhat - and know what you are looking for: they can be pretty inpenetrable) [snip - again!] >Two parting thoughts: first, I'd like to see your NLW write-ups. Please >email them to me, or if others are interested, to the list. Second, has >anyone else here heard rumors of Coalition chemical weapon attacks in the >Gulf War? Nothing substantial. Did hear (from someone who would know: have to keep my sources confidential) that Kate Adie's perfume set off the British chemical detection sensors though... but maybe this was just a cunning joke (I mean Kate Adie wearing perfume? Really!). Later Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:29:53 EDT From: CroakerJr@aol.com Subject: DG: weapons & voodoo << It went from stick or slick riot foams, laser dazzlers and air tasers to emp pulse bombs, RF/microwave, infrasound/sonic and weird shockwave vortex weapons.All excellent super-tech devices for DG and the opposition, to go with their PMWI scanners, ground-penetrating radar, portable SQUID's and other goodies. I've put simulation stats to several of them if anyone's interested. >> Heck yeah, please send them! << For those interested, Mayfair's CHILL game, and Steve Jackson's GURPS both have produced supplements that give a "gamer's eye view" of Voudoun, although I'm not sure how detailed it is. >> GURPS Voodoo is pretty good, but the author didn't bother to clearly distinguish genuine voudoun legendry and beliefs from his own added myths and monsters and conspiracies. You can figure out the distinction if you read closely and do a little external research, but it would have been nice to have a little more help from the book itself. Also, there were some interesting details about voudoun rituals and magic that for some reason didn't make it into the book. I've never read CHILL, so can't comment there. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 03:34:31 +0900 From: ft203004@fsinet.or.jp (Jay and Mikiko Noyes) Subject: Re: DG: Re: Silly Ammo-Mongering > Heh. When I was a kid, you could go to Walmart and buy what was >called the "Bucket o' Bullets." About 5lbs. of 22LR loose in a plastic >bucket. Cost about $10. Great for plinking. >------------------------------ > >Yikes! > >You know, as a Canadian, living in a rather peaceful country with an >entirely different attitude on guns, I'm personally rather upset that posts >like this disturb me far more than "Mr Squick" posts. (Ok, maybe not *far* >more, but you know what I mean.) > >One thing reading this list has brought home to me, is that you folks living >south of the border really *are* a completely different breed of animal... Look at it like this: Although it we Americans are heavily armed and occasionally bloodthirsty, isn't it nicer to have such countries as allies rather than than enemies? And besides, it gives the rest of the world yet another opportunity to feel superior. Jay - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- On retreat: Rincewind: "Come on, let's run away." Eric: "Where to?" Rincewind: "Don't you worry about _to_. In my experience that always takes care of itself. The important word is _away_." Terry Pratchett, "Eric" - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:40:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Don Juneau Subject: Re: DG: Heydrich's Death On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 Imandos@aol.com wrote: > If he had died of anthrax, he would have manifested other symptoms, such as > coal black ulcers (cutaneous anthrax), bowell perforation and toxemia > (intestinal anthrax), pulmonary edema and failure (pulmonary anthrax), or > meningitis and rapid death from brain cell destruction (meningitis caused by > b. anthracis, a 100% fatal condition resulting in hemorraging and massive > brain damage caused by the lethal toxins made by the bacillus). He at > no time manifested any concrete sign of having anthrax, and this would > have been duly noted if he had, as anthrax is well known in most medical > circles, especially in Europe (where it has a myriad of names, i.e. > "carbune"). The British would have had to be *incredibly* desperate to play with anthrax in such a situation, however; there's an island (forget the name just now) off a small village up north that's *still* contaminated, after one test during the war... it's one of the classic examples of not-really-bright ideas in the field of CBW. (IIRC, they merely threw the dead sheep into the *ocean*. Seems to me, at least one had washed up elsewhere, too..) Don ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:00:32 -0700 From: John Michael Alldredge Subject: Re: DG: Re: Silly Rulesmongering At 03:56 PM 6/25/98 -0700, you wrote: > >On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:28:21 -0400 (EDT) The Man in Black > writes: >>On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Taz wrote: >> >>> As a true story, a friend of mine had a license to test his >>> ammunition for 'the humane destruction of livestock'. He tried >>> shooting a goat in the head from 10 yards with a 'stock' .38 FMJ >>> round. The bullet bounced and the goat just shook it's head! > > >No surprise there at all. >When I was on the horse racing circut some years ago a horse broke its >leg during a race. A policeman who had seen too many movies swaggered up >and tried to put it down with his 9mm. several shots glanced off of the >skull of the poor beast who was by now screaming and blowing foam...its >eyes wild. Finally someone showed up with a 44mag. and dispatched the >poor beast. *****Awful. Why didn't one of the racetrackers have a humane-killer on hand? (I grew up around horse too...for those of you who didn't; a humane-killer is basically a long steel tube with a heavy spring inside behind a heavy solid-steel rod.The business end is placed between the horse's eyes. When a trigger is pulled the spring drive the rod out a few inches HARD, crushing the best's skull and killing it instantly and painlessly. There should never be a need for gun-toting spectators to lend a hand at a properly run track......________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:13:53 -0700 From: John Michael Alldredge Subject: Re: DG: Re: Silly Ammo-Mongering At 12:13 PM 6/26/98 -0400, you wrote: >------ Original Message ------ > >Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:04:48 +0900 >From: ft203004@fsinet.or.jp (Jay and Mikiko Noyes) >Subject: Re: DG: RE: Silly Ammo-Mongering > >> >>2. 'Nother zinger -- .22 and .25 cal. guns are cheap, cheap, cheap. >Desert >>Eagles are expensive (and *heavy*, you gun-toting-for-50-hours-a-week >>agents). Not a problem for your average DG agent, but, hey, cultists gotta >>buy candles, baby. Not to mention the purple robe. > > Heh. When I was a kid, you could go to Walmart and buy what was >called the "Bucket o' Bullets." About 5lbs. of 22LR loose in a plastic >bucket. Cost about $10. Great for plinking. > >Jay > >------------------------------ > >Yikes! > >You know, as a Canadian, living in a rather peaceful country with an >entirely different attitude on guns, I'm personally rather upset that posts >like this disturb me far more than "Mr Squick" posts. (Ok, maybe not *far* >more, but you know what I mean.) > >One thing reading this list has brought home to me, is that you folks living >south of the border really *are* a completely different breed of animal... > > *****You Betcha, Baby!!! That's why nobody (outside of a few Indians) ever complains about Canadian Imperialism....too bad for you....********* >Agent Eduard. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:13:18 -0400 From: Daniel Harms Subject: DG: Seeing through walls? Everyone, Is there any special gear, military or otherwise, that can allow someone to tell where a person is on the other side of a wall? I had a player try to use something infrared or the like in a game some time ago. In retrospect, it sounds fishy. Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu "Wool is wool. Wool is a pack of lies." -- Richard S. Shaver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 22:35:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonathan P Keim Subject: DG: BZ in the Merck The BZ entry in the Merck Index (11th edition, entry 8110 "3-Quinuclidinol") is rather brief. In addition to the citations for snythetic and analytical procedures and some physical properties, it simply reports use as an incapcitating chemical warfare agent. (specifically the benzilate form). Additionally it mentions theraputic use as a hypotensive and a cholinergic. (what might that mean you ask? And I reply "good question!") Actually the good old OED labels them as "tending to lower blood pressure" and "stimulating the release of acetylcholine" respectively. Also, there is a citation for the CW effects : Health Aspects of CHemical and Biological Weapons (WHO, Geneva, 1970) pp.49-51. BZ is also a Schedule 2 chemical under the CWC. The Merck is an excellent resource, especially if you have access to a good library and can check out the references found under the specific entries. It has a decidedly drug bend on its contents, but also includes chemical data on a number of explosives as well. I believe the Merck Manual (which can run about $20) also would be a good source for a variety of medical/biochemical questions (though I haven't looked at one in a while, mayhaps someone can give a review with some substance). I've recently started developing a organophosphorous nerve agent sensor, and have gotten my first little bottle of our analog, a delightful little pesticide called phorate. Imagine my delight when the MSDS informed me the 2 grams in the bottle were sufficient to kill about 500 people. I've noticed people are giving me a lot more space in the lab recently... ;-) Munch ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:40:52 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: RE: DG Enchanted Weapons - -----Original Message----- 差出人 : Aaron Litz 宛先 : deltagreen@nocturne.org 日時 : 1998年6月26日 9:40 件名 : DG: DG Weapons Aaron Litz wrote > I'm sure all this talk about Glasers and Black Talons is interesting >and everything, but I betcha a couple bucks that Cthulhu will eat you >either way. Absufuckinlutely. > By the way, one of my more interesting players characters >carries, in addition to his Glocks and Skorpian, an enchanted tai chi >sword ( and is an expert in tai chi to boot. ) Having a character acquire an enchanted weapon can be a big help when fighting certain monsters, although most enchanted weapons are better as spell aids to enhance the chances of success. I've found that most of the monsters that can't be hurt much by gunfire and other mundane weapons are still very likely to take out characters with enchanted weapons, esp. hand-to-hand ones. > >PS- anyone ever thought about enchanted guns? As someone else said, it'd generally have to be the bullets that are enchanted, so as to prevent over-powering the characters. But I remember one story--by Karl Edward Wagner? maybe David Drake--about a sniper rifle that was possessed. Whoever picked it up got taken over by the rifle. The rifle was a VERY good shot, and had excellent reflexes, but it needed a human to carry it around and point it. I often let my players discover a simple spell to enchant weapons. It requires a 1-pt POW sacrifice, and it makes the weapon magical (so it can do normal damage against many otherwise immune creatures), and it can be taken into the Dreamlands. Also, I allow the weapon to store 6 Magic Points per additional POW sacrificed, thus serving as a MP battery. It CAN be cast on guns, but unless it's also cast on each bullet (1 POW per bullet), the part about doing normal damage on magical beasties is lost (although they could pistol-whip a creature, I guess). After someone actually did this anyway, I ruled that he could take the gun and *the ammo in the gun at the time* into the Dreamlands (so he had 1 clip of ammo). This is a little more useful than it sounds, although these guys don't know it yet. I usually let the Dreamlands reflect the area the players are in when they go to sleep. Since the group is mainly in the Southwest (esp Texas and Mexico, for now), I'm basing a lot of my Dreamlands on Stephen King's _Dark Tower_ series. Guns are very rare but have major cultural importance, so, depending on how they comport themselves, the Dreamlands folks will regard them as either a class of knight/samurai, or the worst sort of outlaws. Be seein' ya, pardner, Big Bad Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:40:30 -0400 From: "Walter B. Haight" Subject: Re: DG: RE: DG Enchanted Weapons At 02:40 PM 6/28/98 +0900, you wrote: >> I'm sure all this talk about Glasers and Black Talons is interesting >>and everything, but I betcha a couple bucks that Cthulhu will eat you >>either way. > >Absufuckinlutely. Yeah! >Having a character acquire an enchanted weapon can be a big help when >fighting certain monsters, although most enchanted weapons are better as >spell aids to enhance the chances of success. I've found that most of the >monsters that can't be hurt much by gunfire and other mundane weapons are >still very likely to take out characters with enchanted weapons, esp. >hand-to-hand ones. >> > >As someone else said, it'd generally have to be the bullets that are >enchanted, so as to prevent over-powering the characters. But I remember one >story--by Karl Edward Wagner? maybe David Drake--about a sniper rifle that >was possessed. Whoever picked it up got taken over by the rifle. The rifle >was a VERY good shot, and had excellent reflexes, but it needed a human to >carry it around and point it. Actually, something like that is what I really meant. I wasn't suggesting people start handing out " +5 Glocks of wounding " ( could be interesting, though ). I was thinking that the idea was that Mythos magic was nothing more than science so far beyond mortal ken that it could do things that seem impossible to us, combined with the idea ( from 1st ed. d&d ) that weapons ( and armor ) made from certain materials and with a certain process will have the effect of being magical. Imagine the advanced metallurgy of the Mi-Go ( just what do they mine? ) and the effects it could have! >I often let my players discover a simple spell to enchant weapons. It >requires a 1-pt POW sacrifice, and it makes the weapon magical (so it can do >normal damage against many otherwise immune creatures), and it can be taken >into the Dreamlands. Also, I allow the weapon to store 6 Magic Points per >additional POW sacrificed, thus serving as a MP battery. It CAN be cast on >guns, but unless it's also cast on each bullet (1 POW per bullet), the part >about doing normal damage on magical beasties is lost (although they could >pistol-whip a creature, I guess). After someone actually did this anyway, I >ruled that he could take the gun and *the ammo in the gun at the time* into >the Dreamlands (so he had 1 clip of ammo). Excellent idea! with the bullets it could get kind of expensive with POW, though. Maybe allow the enchantment of a certain clip that would impart " magical " properties to the bullets stored within it after a certain amount of time ( maybe from new moon to new moon, or even eclipse to eclipse! ). Or a special case, thinking of Bob Hoskins case of 'toon bullets on who framed roger rabbit. It wouldn't be so debilitating, and it would still limit the amount of ammo with that " extra punch. " >This is a little more useful than it sounds, although these guys don't know >it yet. I usually let the Dreamlands reflect the area the players are in >when they go to sleep. Since the group is mainly in the Southwest (esp Texas >and Mexico, for now), I'm basing a lot of my Dreamlands on Stephen King's >_Dark Tower_ series. Guns are very rare but have major cultural importance, >so, depending on how they comport themselves, the Dreamlands folks will >regard them as either a class of knight/samurai, or the worst sort of >outlaws. > >Be seein' ya, pardner, >Big Bad Dave > > > Jeez, I am going to have to read those books sometime. Are guns the equivalant of swords in their semi-sacred meaning, something like an Excalibur ( or maybe .50 X calibre? " Milk and Cheese Aaron Litz PS- Try throwing a Bag of Holding into a game and watch the SAN rolls fly! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:54:58 -0400 From: "Walter B. Haight" Subject: DG: Magic Swords ain't all that great I almost forgot. The agent with the sword ( a Mr. Wang Chung Lee ) has NEVER gotten a chance to use his fabulous enchanted weapon. He is just totally paranoid that everyone is a vampire ( after running into a few in Alaska ) and wants to cut their heads off. He even accused Stephen Alzis of being a vamp! A good thing it wasn't Belial. Mr. Lee just has to settle for his two Glocks ( NOT +5, however ). Milk and Cigars Aaron Litz " The fit hits the Shan? " ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:38:43 EDT From: theherald@juno.com (Michael Layne) Subject: Re: DG: Magic Swords ain't all that great On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:54:58 -0400 "Walter B. Haight" writes: > > I almost forgot. The agent with the sword ( a Mr. Wang Chung Lee ) >has >NEVER gotten a chance to use his fabulous enchanted weapon. He is >just >totally paranoid that everyone is a vampire ( after running into a few >in >Alaska ) and wants to cut their heads off. He even accused Stephen >Alzis >of being a vamp! A good thing it wasn't Belial. Mr. Lee just has to >settle for his two Glocks ( NOT +5, however ). > > >Milk and Cigars > >Aaron Litz One member of our team, a certain Indiana Jones wannabee named Dr. Harrison Carter Jr., had a sword cane with a silvered blade, specially enchanted and carrying some weird runes. IIRC, he got to brandish it a number of times, and he actually damaged one paranormal critter with it... Eventaully, he ended up on a solo adventure where he physically entered the Dreamlands, and in one battle there the "N-guy" popped up and drained the magic from the blade. (Just afterward, the Evil Sorcerer Carter had been fighting laughed, "Your Magic Blade is no longer Magical!" "Yeah, but it's a blade..." Carter reminded the Bad Guy (tm) as he ran him through...) :) IIRC, Carter spent several game sessions after he rejoined the team trying to get his sword cane "recharged". No success. The player eventually moved to Texas, to the secret relief of several members of the team:) My own character, CDR Holland, could have used a magical weapon when he and a team of new characters encountered a Dark Young in Upper Michigan on a summer 1989 op. The other team members (perhaps having played too much Bureau 13) decided "let's chase the monster". Instead of running away, Holland decided to provide fire support with his sidearm, hoping the others would come to their senses before they became Monster Chow. (Bravery can be so inconvenient, sometimes...) They didn't, and "became casualties", as Holland might have put it. Holland went through two magazines of .45 ACP FMJ, doing minimal damage per shot, except on impales. (Very frustrating to a man with a 90 in Pistol, who holds the Navy Expert Pistol Shot Medal, and the Excellence-in-Competition Pistol and Distinguished Pistol Marksman Badges...):) The Dark Young never touched him, until it fell over, dead from accumulated gunshot wounds, pinning him between it and some logs. There was not enough weight to injure Holland, but he was stuck in place until the Keeper ruled the monster evaporated... In the meantime, Holland had put in a call to K.I. Sawyer AFB on his cell-phone (which some players insisted was his "primary weapon"), and as the monster finished evaporating, an HH-1 showed up. The official report said that Holland and some colleagues had encountered "terrorists of unknown allegiance" in the woods, and had both taken and inflicted casualties, although the terrorists apparently took their dead out with them.. A subsequent search by Air Police from K.I. Sawyer AFB located the terrorists (the cultists who had summoned the Dark Young), and being unsuccessful luckily in summoning another Dark Young), they engaged the APs in a gun battle, which the cultists lost....:) (And just a few days before, Holland had told his fiancee that his team had "never lost a man"...) It was this incident, and a few similar ones (Terrorists? Zombie Terrorists? In Pennsylvania??), plus increasing family responsibilities (as Kipling wrote, "The married man, 'e fights for three..."), which eventually prompted Holland to leave paranormal investigations for the much safer life of an active-duty warship Captain in the Persian Gulf! (Just in time for DESERT SHIELD/DESERT STORM) He has also been to other fun places like the former Yugoslavia (Vampire terrorists robbing blood banks? A hijacked submarine? A captured Serbian missile boat operating as a pirate?), China, Panama (during JUST CAUSE), and the former USSR... and he's still a Weirdness Magnet! Where is a +5 M1911A1 of Wounding when you need one? Michael theherald@juno.com "Actually, my primary weapon is a Perry class guided missile frigate. The M1911A1 is just a backup..." --- CDR Michael Holland, USN (the "Quincy Schoolmaster") _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:48:56 -0700 From: paposehn@juno.com (Phil A Posehn) Subject: DG: Re: Silly Ammo-Mongering On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 03:34:31 +0900 ft203004@fsinet.or.jp (Jay and Mikiko Noyes) writes: >> >>Yikes! >> >>You know, as a Canadian, living in a rather peaceful country with an >>entirely different attitude on guns, I'm personally rather upset that >posts >>like this disturb me far more than "Mr Squick" posts. (Ok, maybe not >*far* >>more, but you know what I mean.) >> >>One thing reading this list has brought home to me, is that you folks >living >>south of the border really *are* a completely different breed of >animal... A lot of us began to fel the same way in the '60s and emigrated north if you recall. Phil _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:39:39 -0700 From: paposehn@juno.com (Phil A Posehn) Subject: DG: Re: Silly Ammo-Mongering On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:06:22 -0500 Nightstar writes: > I once knew a guy in a motorcycle club who altered his ammo. >He would take >.44 Magnum solid lead bullets and drill a hole down the center (he >knew how >far to go without punching through). He would then fill the hole with >mercury and lightly touch the tip with a torch to close it over with >the lead. > I never saw these rounds used on anything, but he swore by >their ability >to "splatter a dickhead like a shitheap" (his words). Any thoughts on >these >rounds from our ammo experts? Did he prepare these rounds indoors? If so, I hope you weren't around!!! "Touching the tip with a torch" is going to vaporize some of the mercury along with melting the lead to seal it!!! The effects of inhaling Hg vapor are nasty and cumulative!! They include palsy, hair loss, bleeding gums and if you get enough, dementia and death. Far better to seal the round with wax. It might be cool to let your party hear about this method though, make a know roll to see if they are aware of the toxic nature of Hg vapor, and if not roll against con. Be seeing you, Phil _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:58:16 -0700 From: paposehn@juno.com (Phil A Posehn) Subject: DG: Re: Silly Rulesmongering On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:00:32 -0700 John Michael Alldredge writes: >At 03:56 PM 6/25/98 -0700, you wrote: >> >>On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:28:21 -0400 (EDT) The Man in Black >> writes: >>>On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Taz wrote: . A policeman who had seen too many movies swaggered >up >>and tried to put it down with his 9mm. several shots glanced off of >the >>skull of the poor beast who was by now screaming and blowing >foam...its >>eyes wild. Finally someone showed up with a 44mag. and dispatched the >>poor beast. > >*****Awful. Why didn't one of the racetrackers have a humane-killer on >hand? (I grew up around horse too...for those of you who didn't; a >humane-killer is basically a long steel tube with a heavy spring >inside >behind a heavy solid-steel rod.The business end is placed between the >horse's eyes. When a trigger is pulled the spring drive the rod out a >few >inches HARD, crushing the best's skull and killing it instantly and >painlessly. There should never be a need for gun-toting spectators to >lend >a hand at a properly run >track.... Actually, someone probably did...or at least several oz. of barbituate. It was the macho "I'll handle this!" factor that was to blame. A similar thing happened to our mountes CHP here(Sacramento) a few months ago when a horse stepped in a storm drain and broke a leg. The mounted cop, who OUGHT to have known better fired several 9mm rounds before thinking to go fetch the 12ga. Phil _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:05:42 -0400 From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: Re: DG: Seeing through walls? Daniel Harms enquired: >Everyone, Is there any special gear, military or otherwise, that can allow >someone to tell where a person is on the other side of a wall? I had a >player >try to use something infrared or the like in a game some time ago. >In >retrospect,it sounds fishy. Well, there are devices that can do exactly this sort of thing used by the fire brigade back home (and elsewhere) to find people under rubble (useful for earthquakes) and also to find people in smoke filled rooms. They do use infrared for this. Unfortunately, such equipment is open to abuse by players. I had problems with the equivalent (thermographic cyberoptics) in Cyberpunk a couple of years back. One PC kept using thermographic (passive IR) to shoot through walls with a BFG. Eventually I had to make a Ref call and alter the item description so that it required careful calibration to have the desired "see through walls" effect and took time to get a usable image (I gather this is one of the problems with the IR gear used by firemen) meaning it was no use for shooting with except against stationary targets. Note that anything using passive IR will only detect temperature gradients (hot person in cold room etc.) and may not be that accurate (couldn't tell between two people - except by their rough size). Detection of objects at ambient temperature (furniture etc.) will be very difficult or impossible, except by inference (ie. you can see someone sitting down, so it's reasonable to assume that there is a chair there). What it is useful for is telling where in a building someone is, or how many people there are in a room etc. Practical use (as a real-time sensor vs. moving targets) will be limited, so no using it to spot the on-rushing Cthonian! Apart from that it's all Ref. calls I'm afraid. Probably not much help, but there you go. Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:13:06 +0200 From: "Ola Sverre Bauge" Subject: DG: Re: DG agent names Matt C wrote... >[I don't know who wrote the first part, these digests are tough to handle... sorry about the piggybacking too] >>contacts. The other reason I was not really looking at Cell Z is the >>lack of names for the members. I considered Zachariah, Zedekiah, >>and Zane, but this would only seem to work in Amish country. > >Zach, Zeke, Zeb...for women Zoryna, Zasha... Z is a hard one, >that's why I went for K. ;) May I suggest having a look in the 'Z' section of Yahoo's personal homepage section? Sorry I don't have the exact URL handy but it should be easy to find... might be useful for anyone looking for a random name beginning with a given letter too. Ola Sverre Bauge osb@bu.telia.no http://w1.2327.telia.com/~u232700165 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:07:59 -0700 From: alank@shermanloan.com (Alan L. Krause) Subject: DG: Paranormal FBI Files on the Web... Just a quick FYI to all keepers out there that the FBI has a web page up with PDF files covering some their more 'interesting' and oft-requested files. Topics up so far are: cattle mutilations, UFOs, Project Bluebook, and Majestic. Any DG keeper should be able to mine this stuff for ideas and realistic props, so have a blast. http://www.fbi.gov/foipa/ufo.htm - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Alan L. Krause Network Administrator / Programmer Extraordinaire alank@shermanloan.com Sherman and Associates, Inc. "When all is said and done, more is said than done." -Unknown ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:45:50 -0400 From: Viktor Haag Subject: DG: the wonders of Nicotine - ---- Original Message -------- Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:47:07 -0700 From: paposehn@juno.com (Phil A Posehn) Subject: Re: DG: ODing on Nicotine I remember a mystery novel written during the 30s where a man was murdered by means of a cork ball in which several needles smeared with concentrated nicotine had been imbedded. The concentrate had been prepared by boiling a pound or so of tobacco and then straining the liquid and boiling it down to a brown goo. - ------------------------------ I believe that one of the murders in "Death of a Dentist" (one of MC Beaton's Hamish Macbeth series) is perpetrated by Nicotine poisoning, IIRC. One of the suspects was a local moonshiner, since Macbeth mused that a person could have manufactured pure nicotine by using tobacco as the "mash" in his still, or something like that. Incidentally, alot of the south-western Pueblo cultures (and other american aboriginal cultures, I think) used Nicotine as a ritual substance because in really small doses it induces a death-like trance. Also useful is the stuff the South American Yanomamo use to induce hallucinatory trances by force-injecting it up people's noses (yecchh) -- can't remember what chemical that was, though... Agent Eduard ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V1 #55 *******************************