From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V1 #59 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Thursday, July 2 1998 Volume 01 : Number 059 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:13:54 -0400 (EDT) From: gmgm@netmcr.com (G.M.) Subject: Re: DG: Re: Silly Ammo-Mongering > I would disagree in this point, though; I think people would be a >lot more excited to see someone carrying a shotgun down the stree in Los >Angeles than they would in a small town, although if it was clearly not a >hunting weapon the police would come along and check them out. They would >hassle them if they seemed suspicious; if not, they would tell the >gun-toting individuals in question to put the guns in a gun case to carry >around. I have to interject a true story here to support this. I lived in Greensboro, one of the larger cities in North Carolina. Some friends and I went sport shooting one Saturday, and afterwords, I and my .22 Semi-auto rifle had to walk about a mile through a mainly business part of town. Off I went with it over my shulder in marching position. The section of town was unoccupied, being a Saturday night, arround 11pm. I had gone only about 1/4th of a mile when TWO unmarked police cars and ONE black&white pulled up, one unmarked stopping about 10 yards ahead, the other the same distance behind. As soon as I saw it was the police, and while they were still parking, I placed the rifle on the ground, took three VERY LARGE steps away from it and raised my hands. As the first officer steps out of the car, I pointed to the rifle with my still raised hands and said, loudly "It's right there, officer." The officers then came over and asked me about the rifle, why I had it out in the open, asked for ID, and asked to frisk me. I was very polite and answered all questions and told them exactly which pocket my wallet and the half box of ammo was in. They were friendly once they saw I was no trouble. They decided to give me a lift home so I didn't cause any disturbance if people saw me. It certinaly put a memorable cap on the day. =] So if you have agents parading around with obvious weapons and someone might see them, it doesn't matter weither the players are in DC or backwoods, the boys in blue will show up in force, ready to handle the situation, unless the clever agents have arranged things in advance. GAry m, minor epot aka "Sneezy the Squid" - ------------------------------ "Decadence is it's own reward" DNRC Member since 1995 AOL Instant Message ID& AOL email address: gmgm1970 ICQ ID#: 8391493 ICQ nick: minor epot ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 02:59:39 EDT From: Imandos@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Yanks With Guns In a message dated 98-07-01 15:48:49 EDT, Jim wrote: <<<< Though gun violence is highly prevalent in the USA, I would encourage COs to consider the areas in which their agents go traipsing around with heavy weaponry. While a man with a combat shotgun may not raise many eyes in New York, DC, or Chicago, it certainly will in small-town Maryland, Iowa, or New York State. >>>> J. Frederick MacKenzie added: <<< Actually, this seems to be exactly backwards from what I would have said. In most urban areas in the U.S., just carrying around a long arm openly can get you arrested. On the other hand, in many rural areas people have no objection to folks who go out "plinking" or hunting "varmints". >>> Being from hillbilly land West Virginia, I agree with Mr. Mackenzie. Pistols are legal to carry here as long as the gun is in the open. This does not apply in downtown areas due to seperate town laws. However over a third of the people in Morgantown have concealed permits. We have a very low crime rate. Wonder why? Could it be since criminals don't know who is armed? As for long arms, rifles and shotguns would not be odd to see in the hands of someone walking the local woods. Assault weapons would be questioned. Keep in mind that this is a University town with a very educated population. In the more remote areas of the state anything could happen. I'll send information on West Virginia's mythos/paranormal history if anyone is interested. Examples are the famous Mothman and the Braxton County Green Monster. The second one was a top ten {of the year} nationwide story in the late 50's. Thomas Woodall Imandos@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 03:06:17 EDT From: Imandos@aol.com Subject: DG: RE: Re: Code Book David Farnell wrote in response to a certain beins possible code name: >>>> Hmmm. No, there's got to be something better.:) "He Who Must Not Be Named" is so long and pretentious (yeah, who does he think he is, anyway?), and we obviously aren't supposed to say his name, so this is one of the important ones. We need a nickname for him as much as we did for Senor Sock. I mean, remember _Deities and Demigods_? Come on, there's a 25% chance of summoning Byakhees (sorry, Bozos) every time we say his name! >>>> How about using that symbol The Idiot formerly known as Prince uses. We could just pronounce it "DUH!" Thomas Woodall Imandos@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 07:57:15 EDT From: MgkellyMP5@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Yanks With Guns In a message dated 98-07-01 23:56:36 EDT, you write: > Actually, this seems to be exactly backwards from what I would have said. > In > most urban areas in the U.S., just carrying around a long arm openly can get > you arrested. On the other hand, in many rural areas people have no > objection > to folks who go out "plinking" or hunting "varmints". It's also common to carry a sidearm openly in a lot of the smaller towns in the South. Common enough that people might look strangely at YOU if you don't have a gun holstered on your belt. You can be arrested under the "Threat" pretense in urban areas for carrying a firearm openly, even if it never leaves the holster. Concealed weapons are an obvious no-no everywhere. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. Mgkelly ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:02:10 EDT From: MgkellyMP5@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Dear M.I.B. In a message dated 98-07-02 00:32:03 EDT, you write: > The memvers of DG "V" cadre have an unusual problem. Whenever an > incident of cosmic horror occurs, they all spontaneously sing out the guitar > riff from Metallica's "Thing that should not be" > > What should I do. > > Signed, > > Fearful of Dark One Retribution Beat them all about the head and shoulders with your CoC and DG books. It will either knock some sense into them, or knock the urge to "air-guitar" out of them. Or you can announce that if they persist in performing said annoying behavior, Nyarlathotep will immediately appear and wipe out the whole lot of them! ;] Better still, give one of the characters an electric guitar from a famous person. Then create some sort of a nasty side-effect everytime it's played (similar to the effects of "The King in Yellow" or the horn from Louis Armstrong in the adventure presented in the CoC basic book). Just imagine the chaos! ;] Mgkelly ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:18:27 -0700 From: "Gerry Mckelvey" Subject: Re: DG: Re: Yanks With Guns <<<< > Though gun violence is highly prevalent in the USA, I would encourage COs > to consider the areas in which their agents go traipsing around with heavy > weaponry. Uh...I'm in the US, and in a pretty rural area too, but we don't have alot of guns...now, harrisburg denizens aren't allowed to carry guns (concealed or otherwise, they can have them at home tho and take them out for hunting season) and they have a pretty bad crime rate (esp when you consider the low population) While a man with a combat shotgun may not raise many eyes in New > York, DC, or Chicago, it certainly will in small-town Maryland, Iowa, or > New York State. depends on who sees you with that shotgun. some folks don't care what you shoot with, so long as it ain't on their land...cops of course DO care what you're carrying... >>> > > Being from hillbilly land West Virginia, I agree with Mr. Mackenzie. Pistols > are legal to carry here as long as the gun is in the open. This does not > apply in downtown areas due to seperate town laws. However over a third of > the people in Morgantown have concealed permits. We have a very low crime > rate. Wonder why? Could it be since criminals don't know who is armed? tsk, tsk, that's heresy according to the gun control crowd in Washington D.C. those are the same folks who want to put warning labels on handguns....our tax dollars at work. sort of... I think the gun control argument runs something to the effect of "if we take everyone's guns away, then nobody will get killed anymore and all the violence will stop". wrong, folks will just start using thier fists, lead pipes, ect. As > for long arms, rifles and shotguns would not be odd to see in the hands of > someone walking the local woods. Assault weapons would be questioned. Keep > in mind that this is a University town with a very educated population. In > the more remote areas of the state anything could happen. I'll send > information on West Virginia's mythos/paranormal history if anyone is > interested. Examples are the famous Mothman and the Braxton County Green > Monster. The second one was a top ten {of the year} nationwide story in the > late 50's. Hmm...I'd like to have a copy of that mythos info...might come in handy... Jerry McKelvey Exitus Acta Probat. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:30:03 -0500 (CDT) From: "G. Wyckoff" Subject: DG:(More) Yanks with Guns! Okay, I have to pass on this little bit of rural myth that I heard while I was in college. It's (mostly) appropriate to the thread. While at college in Ithaca, New York, I was working in a lab and was around a bunch of graduate students. One fo themtold me a story of a friend of his (another graduate student) driving into lab in the early evening (think dusk) on the road on which I lived. There was a golf course on both sides of the road, and deer used to scamper happily across the road all the time. Dusk, of course, was their favorite scamper time. Well, this guy was driving along, and hit a deer. Not full on, but a glancing blow. He pulled off the side of the road, and the deer was there, obviously in a lot of pain. About 2 minutes later a pickup pulls off the side of the road next to him, a guy gets out. He looks at the deer, says "Shit, I left my guns (plural) at home 'cause I needed to clean them. Let's see if the next guy who come along can help, or maybe has a cell phone or something." Well, sure enough, a sports car comes whizzing down the road (I was told a Porsche). The driver sees the situation, pulls of the side of the road. A well dressed gentleman in a pin strip suit gets out, looks at the deer, tells the two gentleman to stand back, pulls out a .45, and shoots the animal, two shots right between the eyes. The deer drops to the ground, obviously quite dead and out of pain. The man puts the weapon back inside its holster, looks at the two other guys, and says "Better call the town so they can clean it up." He gets back into the car and drives away. Now, I suspect that the story may have been embellished, but the moral is that 2 out of 3 Americans own weapons, and 1 out of 3 in rural areas are carrying at any given time. Also note that in the 4 years I was in Ithaca, there was one homicide in which a gun was used, and it was drug-related. Jerry gwyckoff@midway.uchicago.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 11:03:57 EDT From: theherald@juno.com (Michael Layne) Subject: DG: Re: Yanks With Guns On Thu, 2 Jul 1998 02:59:39 EDT Imandos@aol.com writes: >Being from hillbilly land West Virginia, I agree with Mr. Mackenzie. >Pistols >are legal to carry here as long as the gun is in the open. This does >not >apply in downtown areas due to seperate town laws. However over a >third of >the people in Morgantown have concealed permits. We have a very low >crime >rate. Wonder why? Could it be since criminals don't know who is >armed? As >for long arms, rifles and shotguns would not be odd to see in the >hands of >someone walking the local woods. Assault weapons would be questioned. > Keep >in mind that this is a University town with a very educated >population. In >the more remote areas of the state anything could happen. I'll send >information on West Virginia's mythos/paranormal history if anyone is >interested. Examples are the famous Mothman and the Braxton County >Green >Monster. The second one was a top ten {of the year} nationwide story >in the >late 50's. > >Thomas Woodall >Imandos@aol.com Glad to see somebody else from West Virginia (the only state to ever secede from secession) on the list. I'm not sure what the local weapons policy is here in Charleston, but I can try and find out. I could always use more information on WV mythos/paranormal stuff. Incidentally, the Bluefield/Princeton area seems to have had nearly as many UFO sightings as Groom Lake. Some of them turned out to be US military jets, and some are still unexplained! And (slightly south of that area) there seem to be some unexplained phenomena in the vicinity of Mountain Lake, in VA, a bit south of the WV/VA border. I was with a small convoy of cars coming back from RovaCon -- in Roanoke, VA -- a few years ago, and, as we passed by Mountain Lake, we noticed we were all about to fall asleep, and all the cars were losing power simultaneously... Others passing by the area at various times have reported some sort of eerie feelings... Michael theherald@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:33:32 -0400 From: Clark Wallace Subject: RE: DG: Re: Yanks with Guns Reminds me of a story here in DC, where a man decided to register his shotguns with the city. Unfortunately, he did not consider using a gun case, and just got out of his car in front of the municipal building with two shotguns over his shoulder. Needless to say, the police showed up in a heartbeat, pointed about 40 glocks at his head and ordered him to lay down. Lucky for him he didn't panic. > -----Original Message----- > From: David Farnell [mailto:daf@iwa.att.ne.jp] > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 1998 12:46 AM > To: Delta Green List > Subject: RE: DG: Re: Yanks with Guns > > > > -----Original Message----- > ol : Jay and Mikiko Noyes > ^ : Delta Green List > " : 1998"N7OE2" 13:30 > OE- : Re: DG: Re: Silly Ammo-Mongering > > > Ye Mighty and Powerful Jay wrote: > > >I think people would be a > >lot more excited to see someone carrying a shotgun down the > stree in Los > >Angeles than they would in a small town > > If some guy was carrying a shotgun down the street in LA, I > think everyone > around him would become VERY quiet and do their best to slip > away. Then the > cops would show up and, depending on his apparent ethnic > group and social > class, either order him down on the ground or just start shooting. > > > In many midwestern cities, the only rule regarding > carrying a gun > is > >that it remain in plain sight, although the police are > likely to come along > >a question you if you're carrying around a holstered pistol for no > appearant > >reason. While there is almost never a law regarding have > the gun on you, > >they would ask you to leave it at home the next time you > come to town. > > Just before I moved to Japan, Texas was going through the big > to-do about > deciding whether to pass a concealed-carry law. The idea was > that you could > go through training, pass a test, and pay a wad of money to > get a license to > carry a concealed handgun. One of the main arguments in > support of the law > was that so many (otherwise law-abiding) people in TX already carry > concealed guns illegally, so at least we can encourage them > to get certified > and take their dough. > > I argued against the law on only one point. Why concealed? > The idea there > was that openly carrying weapons would scare the old ladies. Bah, I > said--this is Texas. Besides, think of how the fashion industry would > prosper if they had to design gunbelts, holsters, etc for > lawyers, yuppies, > and such. (I was only slightly kidding.) Well, the law > passed, so speak > nicely to folks when you visit Texas. > > > > I live in a very strange country. Fun, though. > > Right on, pardner. > > David Farnell > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:00:12 -0400 From: murphy Subject: DG: Hillbillies With Guns >Being from hillbilly land West Virginia, I agree with Mr. Mackenzie. Pistols >are legal to carry here as long as the gun is in the open. This does not >apply in downtown areas due to seperate town laws. However over a third of >the people in Morgantown have concealed permits. We have a very low crime >rate. Wonder why? Could it be since criminals don't know who is armed? As >for long arms, rifles and shotguns would not be odd to see in the hands of >someone walking the local woods. Assault weapons would be questioned. Keep >in mind that this is a University town with a very educated population. In >the more remote areas of the state anything could happen. I'll send >information on West Virginia's mythos/paranormal history if anyone is >interested. Examples are the famous Mothman and the Braxton County Green >Monster. The second one was a top ten {of the year} nationwide story in the >late 50's. To further characterize such areas for our list members unfamiliar with rural areas of the U.S., I was born and raised in West Virginia and have a lot of kin in Kentucky, and while my family never owned guns, a lot of people own shotguns, hunting rifles and handguns (though they rarely get carried around on the street). The crime rate surprised me when I moved to Nashville and then North Carolina; like Thomas, I'd characterize the crime rate in West Virginia as 'very low,' and crime has seemed much more prevalent since I left WV. One notable exception would be domestic violence. Where maybe West Virginians don't commit a lot of armed robberies, try serving papers on some guy to get him away from his wife and the shooting is a lot more common. "Stay out of my family's affairs" kind of thing. I guess another notable exception would be strikes...when the coal companies and the UMW don't see eye-to-eye, several times there's been shooting over it. I remember once seeing some mining company rep speaking at a news conference with an Ingram in a (visible) shoulder holster so as to dissuade the more fanatic from shooting at him. My feeling is that given the touchiness of the U.S. public about firearm-related violence, people lugging guns around in plain sight in a city, legally or not, are looking for a run-in with the cops. If you're carrying around a shotgun or hunting rifle, then it's probably less likely people will pay attention to you if you're in a rural area, but try it with an assault rifle or a combat shotgun...I sure wouldn't want to try it, and if you're a stranger, you're sure likely to have trouble with the cops carting around any kind of weapon. Still, if *I* were going to face the Mothman, stranger or not, I'm carrying around at least combat shotgun... Ciao, Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:04:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Usul <_conspiracy_@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: DG: Re: Yanks With Guns - ---Gerry Mckelvey wrote: > > However over a third of > > the people in Morgantown have concealed permits. We have a very low > > crime rate. Wonder why? Could it be since criminals don't know who is armed? > tsk, tsk, that's heresy according to the gun control crowd in Washington > D.C. those are the same folks who want to put warning labels on > handguns....our tax dollars at work. sort of... > I think the gun control argument runs something to the effect of "if we > take everyone's guns away, then nobody will get killed anymore and all the > violence will stop". wrong, folks will just start using thier fists, lead > pipes, ect. Isnt it funny? Are we the only ones who remembers that there was violence long before there were firearms? Try telling that to the criminal (READ: congressmen/women!) Here in New Mexico your vehicle is considered a part of your personal property, so you can legally carry a loaded firearm in your car. Some city statutes might override this... In fact THEY're trying to pass a law making it a felony to be in possession of a firearm within 300 meters(I think) of a school. The reasoning is that there are too many 'gangers' with guns...so now they can get those bad guys, and if they seize a few guns, cars,& property in the process, so much the better...lame... If you get pulled over in a school zone, drive on till you're out of the zone, or deny that you have a firearm (unless you *want* to be a convicted felon) Currently Law Enforcement and the Military are trying to change this law to exclude them. Ain't it great? So for those of you in states with concealed carry laws, is it affordable? I heard Texas was charging hundreds of dollars a year for the CC permit...New Mexico is still dinking around with this legislation...I hope they pass it with a realistic price tag attached.... I also overheard a radio report that somewhere (not sure exaclty) they want to ban martial arts.... == Paranoia X Http://www.geocities.com/area51/rampart/1349/ Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes - Who Watches The Watchman "Success is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" - - Winston Churchill _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:30:36 GMT0BST From: Robert Thomas Subject: Re: DG: Re: Silly Ammo-Mongering > Has anyone out there ever heard of a delightful weapon briefly > manufactured in the '60s called the Gyrojet? It fired .45 solid fuel > rockets!! A finger over the barrel would hold the projectile back since > it built up most of its velocity outside of the barrel.(no recoil and > silent!!) When it had finished accellerating it had twice the power of a > .45ACP. It could also fire under water and had no ballistic grooves since > the spin was produced by internal vanes in the "slug". > Phil Hello All, Wasn't this in one of the Bond Movies IIRC? Rob. J.R.E.Thomas. Science Library PC Room Advisor ext 6135 / 5128. MScII City and Regional Planning Student. ThomasR@cardiff.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:35:20 GMT0BST From: Robert Thomas Subject: Re: DG: Dear M.I.B. > Dear M.I.B. > > The memvers of DG "V" cadre have an unusual problem. Whenever an > incident of cosmic horror occurs, they all spontaneously sing out the guitar > riff from Metallica's "Thing that should not be" > > What should I do. > > Signed, > > Fearful of Dark One Retribution Hello, Better than my lot they start into the Hawai 5 0 theme whenever anything violent happens. Strange or what? Rob. J.R.E.Thomas. Science Library PC Room Advisor ext 6135 / 5128. MScII City and Regional Planning Student. ThomasR@cardiff.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:55:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Womack Subject: DG: Guns & Ammo Threads While I've enjoyed some of the anecdotes that these threads have generated (and even have one of my own I *could* share), we're wandering pretty far off-topic. Statting up weapons for game use is one thing (although even that can get old fairly quickly); rambling on interminably about who can carry what guns where is another. As ListKeeper, I'm asking that any further posts dealing with guns and/or ammo be taken off-list, unless (as noted above) they have explicit bearing on DG/CoC. Any questions? Chris Womack oaktree@nocturne.org Keeper of the List ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:33:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Illuminatus Primus Subject: Re: DG: Dear M.I.B. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Robert Thomas wrote: > Hello, > > Better than my lot they start into the Hawai 5 0 theme whenever > anything violent happens. Strange or what? > Oh, that's easily explainable. Hawaii 5-0 was a planned mass mind control experiment by the Hawaii Buerau of Tourism. The theme song was specifically engineered to be not only clingy[1], but also invoke the specific images from the theme song. (vis the crashing wave, outrigger canoe paddlers & close-up on the Royal Hawaiian Hotel) So anyone who was exposed to the opening credits would remember them, and also have this burning desire (helped along by the subliminal messages) to visit and experience McGarrett's Hawaii.[2] Worked well, too. Actually, too well. Intercepted broadcasts filtered into Japan, where it touched off a land-buying frenzy. [2 again] [1] Clingy. Those songs that get stuck in your head and give you the urge to experiment with self-trepannation. [2] McGarrett's Hawaii exists in a closely-linked parallel dimension to this one. For all intents and porpoises, it is the same, with some minor differences. These include streets going in different directions than they actually do[3], and McGarrett's fictional (well, it was fictional in *our* dimension) pseudo-police department being housed in 'Iolani Palace. And for some as-yet inexplicable reason, the Japanese thought that McGarrett's dimension was actually the same as ours. In a valiant, but misguided attempt to become one with Hawaii 5-0, they started up buying every bit of Hawaii they could afford. It took them about 15 years to realize their mistake. At last count, they were still plotting some sort of revenge in retaliation.[4] [3] They would regularly do such strange things as going north on Kalakaua Street. This is extremely hard to do in our dimension, as Kalakaua runs east-west. Going north would have you quickly end up turning onto a side street, running into oncoming traffic on a one-way side street, or slamming into a hotel, or perhaps the Waikiki 3 movie theater. [4] No, it's not those Tamagotchi things. That's just general karmic wierdness. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNZvEX8VnIkW8IEjpAQHfOwP+N1hWE7ceRt+uCnPePNUUyaABEu4EfK6q vLf1GJirBCGXDgYsHKz/1rrpeVUUa00eeryJn5A8G0pinyRhE8O2yVH56KrW2OqA mG9+ENPAf5jtV0eHVAVe1zncPvo4O9x6BDejpRTgiZApiNCkpRiFuw5nMmvBef48 sV301oUFUq4= =8rT9 - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:34:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Illuminatus Primus Subject: DG: Newsflash re: CNN & Operation TAILWIND - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CNN is now retracting their story of last month regarding Operation TAILWIND in Laos back in the '60s. They are apologizing for the report, and saying that they were mistaken in their story, which said that American defectors were exposed to nerve gas. Hrm. Wonder who got to them?... - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNZvEY8VnIkW8IEjpAQEbSgP+ITL4DpDQN7NxiBWx3bUPSy5XPMOLYTBO QypZisNwTn4R/Y90LM0lxEWhNi7AxFyatr6Gmplj36AMGIR8deDrnL41iKDjttT5 S1Y1rZXuGJMxIK1FIgKsfLDyPfPzGFrJFCUbn7Z0IIIndp5oNPU/2uozBq2EEuE6 bH6ERVbLKiw= =cUUy - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:50:04 EDT From: Imandos@aol.com Subject: DG: Conceal carry cost in WV Usul asked: >>>> So for those of you in states with concealed carry laws, is it affordable? <<<< The cost of a five year concealed carry permit in West Virginia is $75. Add to that a one time fee of up to $50 for NRA certification {which is needed to obtain the permit}. You can't be a convicted felon which is redundant since felons are not allowed to own the handguns the permit covers. Previous to 1986, judges handed out the permits on an as need basis. In other words you had to prove you needed to carry concealed. However, the liberals {the same ones who want prison sentences reduced in the state} decided that too many judges were giving concealed permits out. They drafted and pasted a new law, making the Sheriff Dept. in each county responsible for handing out permits. However a little last minute Republican addition to the law slipped by. This add on feature made it mandatory that a concealed permit be issued to anyone requesting such a permit as long as they were a citizen of the state and not a convicted felon. The final result made getting a concealed permit easier. The liberals in our state are still upset over this error on their part. However, West Virginians on the average like hunting and consider any law restricting any type of gun a threat ; a no-no for those they elect. So the new system stands and violent crimes are at a low in a state where crime was low to begin with. Little does anyone know about the mythos activity we poor DG agents must face in a place called "Almost Heaven". The mythos got John Denver because his song brought more tourist into our state. Tourist who might see something they should not. Thomas Woodall Imandos@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:56:01 -0700 From: "Gerry Mckelvey" Subject: DG: Re: Newsflash re: CNN & Operation TAILWIND > > CNN is now retracting their story of last month regarding > Operation TAILWIND in Laos back in the '60s. They are > apologizing for the report, and saying that they were mistaken in > their story, which said that American defectors were exposed to > nerve gas. > > Hrm. Wonder who got to them?... heh. must have been something they ate...I'm sure this fit of decency is only temporary. Interesting. Is it my imagination or have there been alot of inaccuracy in the media of late? guess it would be more accurate to say that the media have been caught in more than a few lies of late...don't want to give the impression that I really believe the newshounds...but they are good for a laugh and a storyline from time to time... Jerry McKelvey Exitus Acta Probat. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:08 +0100 (BST) From: tsiolkovsky@coherent-light.cix.co.uk (rik kershaw) Subject: DG: Re: Code Book (keepers only) Various and Sundry Replies > From: Stephen Joseph Ellis > I'm sorry rik, (Rick?) but I was under the impression that our > little bit of fun was only for use on this mailing list. No you are write first time. Rik is the name I have been given, and I am sorry if these rather silly and totally un-amusing names do not come up to my level of humour, but each to his own. > Personally I see it as a bit of a laugh, and at worst the beginning > of a clique. All the more reason to let it lie. There is nothing more off-putting than having to cope with a clique. > By the way, do you mind if I query you? What does 'How very > deliverance'mean? A reference to the film Deliverance. > From: The Man in Black > Severe Delusion: The Great Old Ones are my Drinking Buddies. > From: "David Farnell" > Jeez, now I've gone and offended, what, the cultists? Hey, this > stuff ain't for the freaked out--it's to prevent folks from getting > freaked out in the first place. I mean, we keep bandying about the > true name of Senor Sock, and we're all going to be growing mouths in > our palms (Mama always said it would happen if I kept playing RPGs > by myself). No but how about those who aren't syntactically challenged? I will admit that these BSNs are easier to pronounce than some of the more jaw-aching appellations. > You think a bunch of big, bad agents aren't going to make up stupid > names for the things they fear the most, just to show how tough they > are? No I don't. I would assume that horrors such as these would dread a race of quiet intelligent men who would have learnt to keep quiet about what they have seen. There are a number of very old proverbs such as a "fool chatters while the wise man listens." But I forgot that Delta Green isn't CoC in the same way that MTG is not an RPG. In CoC the idea was to use your wits and intelligence to try to stop cosmic horror. Delta Green is over-reliant on hi-powered weaponry and technology, and the belief that the bad agent can triumph because he is one bad-assed mother. You have in effect turned a very fine role playing game into a modern day D&D. Plus you are all missing one very vital point about names. If you know the name, the true name of your foe, you will have a power over him. As my mother would say think on. __________________________________________ tsiolkovsky@coherent-light.compulink.co.uk tsiolkovsky@cix.co.uk Tsiolkovsky's Demon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:10:45 -0700 From: "Gerry Mckelvey" Subject: Re: DG: Viscissitude > The idea of Vicissitude (a catergory of special power that some > White Wolf's vampires can use) as a sentient disease is a > straight rip off of the movie _The_Thing_. It made for an > interesting flick, but it would make for a pretty old storyline > if it was true for all your games. not really, I just used it as a backdrop...'member, not everyone who's exposed gets the disease. I've played it before and it > got very old very fast. Even when it's not always in your face, > having it in a characters mind and the paranioa that it > practically mandates forces stories into a certain direction that > I for one don't want to play in all the time. It just gets > boring. The example of blood donors having it and spreading it > to recipients is really aggravating and not something that can be > stopped if the story is taken at face value. uh...the whole point of 'world of darkness' and CoC/Delta Green *is* paranoia and fighting against hopless odds...I thought the opening story in the DG rulebook really did a great job setting the mood. That opening story was why I bought the book in the first place....(whoever wrote that story, I'd really like to shake you hand....or reccomend professional help, either way, I at least was most impressed....*insert golf clap here*) > > The people who believe this about the power Vicissitude > (hereafter called "V.") are a group of ancient undead monsters > who follow a even more ancient leader who even they don't know > much about. This leader is also supposedly in communion with > several very powerful beings thought to be among the progenitors > of the vampiric race. uh....no. Black hand don't know the big Tzimisce is still around (well, the Del Roh knows, and so does the inner circle, but the operative don't.) There is little proof for anything they > believe and they seem to eat it up without asking questions. yep. Blood bonds and Dominate do that to you... > There is alot of eveidence that the whole group (powerful undead > beings in their own right) has been brainwashed by the secret > masters of this group, who mandate that all members come to their > city on an island in the chaos of the land of the dead. a real party town....just wait 'till the void cruisers find it( can you say 'carpet bomb', sure you can...not that it'd work, but it'd make for a hell of a light show.) > > It sounds like they could be a few good ol' boys having some fun > making the vamps fight each other. Hence the term 'jyhad'. > > Also, this group play both sides of a traditional/rebelious > (though I usually play as humane/religiously-driven) split in the > vampire population, weakening both sides for some one's benefit. 6 of one/half dozen of the other....either way, still functionaly the same for the plot line/devices... > > An interesting group, but if their worldveiw were actually the > case, well, look forward to stories that easily get stuck in a > rut. you have no idea...my players usu manage to dereail any 'hard' plot line I come up with, so I just use an outline of major events, with notes on what major npc's are going to do, then adjust to the pc's blowing large holes in my carefully constructed storyline...I'm getting better at improv...they throw things at me if I don't get better... Jerry McKelvey Exitus Acta Probat. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 16:49:27 -0400 From: "Jimmie Bise, Jr." Subject: Re: DG: Re: Yanks With Guns >So for those of you in states with concealed carry laws, is it >affordable? I heard Texas was charging hundreds of dollars a year for >the CC permit...New Mexico is still dinking around with this >legislation...I hope they pass it with a realistic price tag >attached.... Here in Maryland, when I last checked, the grand total for a permit per year was about $150. That's payable when you make the application for the permit and is non-refundable, no matter if they grant the permit or not. I should als note that there are only specific "types" of folks to which they issue permits: ex or current law enforcement or military (in general), those who have documented, legitimate threats against their lives, and those who routinely traffic in large sums of money. Interestingly enough, not only can you keep a weapon in your home without a permit, you can keep one in your place of business also, with the permission of the business owner. I'm not sure how they handle those people for whome their car is essentially their office. In DC? No handguns allowed, at any time, for any reason. Not sure about rifles and such, though I suspect this is also true. Intersting that the Murder Capital of the World has such a restrictive hangdun ban, no? - -Jim =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Music is the art of being physical." -Wynton Marsalis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 16:49:23 -0400 From: "Jimmie Bise, Jr." Subject: RE: DG: Re: Yanks with Guns At 11:33 7/2/98 -0400, you wrote: >Reminds me of a story here in DC, where a man decided to register his >shotguns with the city. Unfortunately, he did not consider using a gun >case, and just got out of his car in front of the municipal building with >two shotguns over his shoulder. Needless to say, the police showed up in a >heartbeat, pointed about 40 glocks at his head and ordered him to lay down. >Lucky for him he didn't panic. Yep, the law enforcement types get a mite skittish when you unholster a gun in front of DC Police Headquarters, especially after the episode a few eyars back when a guy got in there and started shooting up the place! I tell you, DC is the strangest city I've ever known..:-) - -Jim =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Music is the art of being physical." -Wynton Marsalis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 16:49:18 -0400 From: "Jimmie Bise, Jr." Subject: Re: DG: Re: Yanks With Guns > While a man with a combat shotgun may not raise many eyes in New > York, DC, or Chicago, it certainly will in small-town Maryland, Iowa, or > New York State. >>>>> > >Actually, this seems to be exactly backwards from what I would have said. In >most urban areas in the U.S., just carrying around a long arm openly can get >you arrested. On the other hand, in many rural areas people have no objection >to folks who go out "plinking" or hunting "varmints". It's not necessarily what the law enforcement typs might do abut it. I suppose it's more what the local folks would do. Smaller town or suburban folks are a lot more sensitive to someone overtly carrying a rifle or such, because they've gotten attuned to violence, though they likely see folks with pistols more frequently. On the other hand, country folks would likely be more skittish around someone carrying a pistol instead of a "varmint gun". Again, this works for DG Investigators, who likely would end up carrying something a whole lot more potent than a 9 MM or a .22 rifle. In a large city you can pretty much disguise yourself under the cloak of "police special operations" or some such, without getting a lot of questions. Out where I live, you couldn't get away with that without drawing a whole lot of attention. - -Jim - -Jim =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Music is the art of being physical." -Wynton Marsalis ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V1 #59 *******************************