From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V1 #64 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Monday, July 6 1998 Volume 01 : Number 064 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 02:38:27 -0700 From: "Semion R. Sellers IV" Subject: DG: How Secret is Secret. I was wondering how others GM's deal with the secrecy Delta Green. I am five sessions into a campaign, and Delta Green has not been brought up once. I have actually pulled together two Cells for this campaign, because of the seriousness of the case. I guess it might be a sin, but they are all FBI agents (different departments) which could be bad if they are found out to be Delta Green. However, their current investigation has been given a top priority, and they all have been strategically placed by the Puppeteers up top. It appears they have been handpicked for this investigation. They haven't even touched the words Delta Green, let alone the organization. How does everyone else treat DG? Do they communicate a lot, send reports, send closed case files? I personally felt that if the agency wanted to stay secret, it existed in the minds, but not as a presence. I have created two other agencies under the same classification, all pulling the strings in different directions in the campaign. They are no more then a rumor, and yet to be mentioned. The only Agency I have mentioned is MJ-12 (and the only other one I have used from the rules), which was a tip off that they might be around back in session two. So far the game is running great, and I have everyone pinned to their seats. Each Session has revealed a little more of the grand plot, and brought about a good share of colorful metaphors as the crap hit the fan. Thanks, Semion R. Sellers IV http://home.earthlink.net/~semion Semion@earthlink.net SRSIV __ ___/{___________________________________________________ 0]{|||||||||||(@}|__**___________________________________________________/ \| // \\> \{_ \\___// ||> `---\|__//> The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the \--/> inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. H[oward] P[hillips] Lovecraft 1890-1937 The Call of Cthulhu [1928], ch. 1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:30:59 +0100 From: Nick Subject: Re: DG: Random Sexual Perversions This reminds me of an insanity a keeper i know gave to a player after he went mad watching a mass mi-go fertility rite. He's now painfully aware fungal infections don't jush 'wash-off'. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:37:11 -0000 From: "Crossingham, Adam" Subject: DG: baseball bats in NYC On baseball bats being banned.... in NY and Paris. And now the UK... Sometime ago, late 1980s I think, the Metropolitan Police decided to crack down on the use of baseball bats used by crime gangs. The Met claimed the baseball bats were offensive weapons, and therefore fell into a category covered by existing law. The criminals then found a loophole the argument, and started to carry balls with the bats. This allowed them to claim, quite legitimately, that the bats were sporting equipment. Could be urban myth though.... - -- Adam Crossingham home: tigger@the-wolery.demon.co.uk work: adam.crossingham.octavian@mktmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:43:23 +0100 From: Nick Subject: Re: DG: Re: Code Book (keepers only) Various and Sundry Replies There is one possibility that noone seems to have noticed; as Rik pointed out, anyone who sees a great old one/elder god/ other nasty thing is in all fairness, probably going to go insane, or at least, extremely morose for the rest of his life. as such, he is unlikely to be flippant about them. However, in the course of a CoC campaign, agents/investigators shouldn't be running into these things too often, and early on I'd consider it perfectly natural for a bunch of FBI agents who've shot up a bunch of cultists to start going ;- "Hey, they were worshiping one of those squid-face statue things again." Only later can we progress to the 'clawing out their own eyes to avoid looking at the world the way it really is' type stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:09:03 +0100 From: Nick Subject: Re: DG: Re: Code Book (keepers only) Various and Sundry Replies <<< George Smiley is not necessarily any dumber than Titus Crow.... Perfect again, but neither acts like Mel Gibson in "Lethal Weapon 2". A limit, once again, is necessary.>>>>> All this is very well, but I'd like to see my players do 'very silent' and 'very mysterious' ; alternating as they do at present between 'hysterical' and 'more hysterical' - the bunch of noisy, foul-mouthed unreliable fools ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:19:50 +0100 From: Nick Subject: Re: DG: new spells I don't really like spells being in the possesion of my PC's too much; as a result I tend to heighten the SAN loss in my games, and attach horrific side-effects to getting them wrong, which all seems to be in the spirit of the game.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:40:11 -0400 From: "John C. Detwiler" Subject: DG: D&D&Deliverance The film Deliverance and the novel on which it is based were set in northern Georgia. Some have argued that the author, James Dickey, greatly maligned the people of that area but he maintains that it is an accurate portrayal. I've never been there but I have been places that convince me that it's possible. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:43:05 -0400 From: "John C. Detwiler" Subject: Re: DG: Re: Code Book (keepers only) Various and Sundry Replies >- the bunch of noisy, foul-mouthed unreliable fools< God love'em! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 16:44:44 From: Davide Mana Subject: DG: Re: Code Book / silent players Greetings. About a few of my more recent rants, Nick wrote >All this is very well, but I'd like to see my players do 'very >silent' and 'very mysterious' ; alternating as they do at present >between 'hysterical' and 'more hysterical' - the bunch of noisy, >foul-mouthed unreliable fools OK, Nick, give me a break... :-) I admit that having some of my players _silent_ for one evening would be a blessing. One of them has a terribly _loud_ voice and actually shuts up only when he falls asleep! [and as a Keeper, I don't see sleeping players as a mark of success...] So please allow me a little bit of wishful thinking. Cheers. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:48:33 -0400 From: "Eric Brennan" Subject: DG: Re: baseball bats in NYC I don't know if this has been covered earlier, as I've been struck with a minor illness, but here's a related story that I believe is gospel. I heard it from a friend who may or may not've been a hardcore gangbanger in the early '90s. Ahh, the wonders of a Southern California public education. (Me and Rache Bartmoss both.) Apparently, the LA Gang (which has spread nicely, thanks...) called the Crips gets their name from the word Cripples. Apparently, during the Junior G days, back in the late '70s, the LAPD started cracking down on street weapons...knives, bats, chains. So a lot of the smarter gangsters started carrying around canes. Well, the police put paid to that rather quickly, until the gangsters started faking limps. The cops couldn't hassle 'em as easily for using a cane if they limped, after all, and in court, well, you try busting a guy for carrying a cane if he's got bad legs... Enough Gs were faking limps that the cops started referring to 'em as Crips. Eventually, a gang formed around the name (or changed it's name. Whatever.) True? False? I think it's true. Enough stuff about gangs is flaky that I'd believe that story in a minute. I mean, the Crip hand gesture came from a James Dean poster, fer-cryin-out-loud. Signed, Agent WALLACE aka Eric Brennan - -----Original Message----- From: Crossingham, Adam To: 'deltagreen@nocturne.org' Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 6:37 AM Subject: DG: baseball bats in NYC >Sometime ago, late 1980s I think, the Metropolitan Police decided to >crack down on the use of baseball bats used by crime gangs. The Met >claimed the baseball bats were offensive weapons, and therefore fell >into a category covered by existing law. The criminals then found a >loophole the argument, and started to carry balls with the bats. This >allowed them to claim, quite legitimately, that the bats were sporting >equipment. Could be urban myth though.... > >-- >Adam Crossingham >home: tigger@the-wolery.demon.co.uk >work: adam.crossingham.octavian@mktmail.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 09:26:20 -0700 From: alank@shermanloan.com (Alan L. Krause) Subject: Re: DG: Re: baseball bats in NYC At 10:48 AM 7/6/98 -0400, you wrote: > Apparently, the LA Gang (which has spread nicely, thanks...) called the >Crips gets their name from the word Cripples. Apparently, during the Junior ... And all this time, I thought their name was 'The Crypts'. Shows you how much I'm into that gangsta-rap stuff... ;> - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Alan L. Krause Network Administrator / Programmer Extraordinaire alank@shermanloan.com Sherman and Associates, Inc. "When all is said and done, more is said than done." -Unknown ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 12:35:42 -0500 From: Nightstar Subject: Re: DG: Re: baseball bats in NYC At 09:26 AM 7/6/98 -0700, you wrote: >At 10:48 AM 7/6/98 -0400, you wrote: >> Apparently, the LA Gang (which has spread nicely, thanks...) called the >>Crips gets their name from the word Cripples. Apparently, during the Junior >... > >And all this time, I thought their name was 'The Crypts'. Shows you how >much I'm into that gangsta-rap stuff... ;> > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >Alan L. Krause Network Administrator / Programmer Extraordinaire >alank@shermanloan.com Sherman and Associates, Inc. >"When all is said and done, more is said than done." -Unknown > And here all this time I thought it was a illiterate corruption of the word "creeps". - ----------------------------------------------------------- Finally, a light at the end of the tunnel......heh heh heh. Nightstar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:07:30 -0400 (EDT) From: gmgm@netmcr.com (G.M.) Subject: Re: DG: RE: Re: Code Book (sigh) I could see this as giving back around +0/1 or +1/2 san, based on how often they have run into the mythos, how bad the situation was (admittedly, finding loose body parts is bad, but not as bad as watching Ghouls eat said parts), and how bad the joke was. The worse the joke, the higher the san reward. =] >Something of that sort happening in a DG adventure might be worth the >recovery of a SAN or two, and some well-earned experience to the person who >lightened the tension when it needed to be. > >Any thoughts on this here? > >-Jim >-Jim > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >"Music is the art of being physical." > -Wynton Marsalis > > GAry m, minor epot aka "Sneezy the Squid" - ------------------------------ "Decadence is it's own reward" DNRC Member since 1995 AOL Instant Message ID& AOL email address: gmgm1970 ICQ ID#: 8391493 ICQ nick: minor epot ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:24:52 -0700 From: paposehn@juno.com (Phil A Posehn) Subject: DG: Re: Code Book (keepers only) Various and Sundry Replies On Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:09:03 +0100 Nick writes: > >And please consider the following: a very silent, very serious, maybe >slightly sinister "average guy" can project a much stronger aura of >_danger_ than a wisecracking, BFG-toting hombre. John Michael >Alldredge, confutating Rik, aptly observed > George Smiley is not >necessarily any dumber than Titus Crow.... I run a mixed campaign with about 2/3 conventional investigators and 1/3 DG friendlies. The actual cell is off stage and primarily a source of player motivation and information. Even so, it seems as though it is primarily the guys who play hack n slash in D&D who always want to be DG and turn in a shopping list to the GM that would arm three third world countries. The players who would play George Smiley are generally the regular investigator with the Nitro Express or the Weatherby in the closet that I actually have to have DG draft in the field to act as a moderating influence on the cowboys. Phil _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:54:07 -0400 From: Viktor Haag Subject: DG: Carrying Laws & info about foreign countries - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 02:48:34 EDT From: Imandos@aol.com Subject: DG: A nonflame question. Please take this as a real question and not an invitation to an argument. What are the laws in various countries, states, provinces or wherever anyone on this list is from regarding the carrying of firearms by both Government agents and citizens. [snip] - ------------------------------ I've found BTRC's CORPS World Data book (for 1st edition, but I think it's still available) to have useful, general information about this kind of thing -- general information on laws, political systems, firearm controls, etc, etc. For a more "official" approach, I'm sure that the consulates/tourist bureaus of non-US countries provide general information about this sort of thing, or you could just visit your local library and check out books like the Lonely Planet guides. I myself found the Hawaii Lonely Planet guide a wonderful general resource for things Hawaiian. Also, as a digression, the CORPS Tech book (again, for 1st edition) has all sorts of information about wonderful hi-tech toys of interest to the average DG keeper... Agent Eduard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:56:57 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: new spells On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Gerry Mckelvey wrote: > if you want to develop a spell of you're own? Something like 'fireball' > would be out of the question... Summon/Bind Fire Vampire doesn't qualify? > but how about something that scrambles > physical evidence at a crime scene or makes it easier to tell if a subject > is lying to you... Shrivelling or some kinda Cloud memory variant (Read Thoughts?) should do it. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:35:10 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Re: DG Enchanted Weapons On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Charles Baucum Jr. explained the need for blood: > some pretty good ideas, but the spell required the caster to draw the blood > with a specially prepared blade at the time of the casting. No cheating > alowed! OK, so now I have to brainwash an elder vampire with lots of blood into casting the spell for me. Not a problem, I can work with that, really! I can do this! Where are you all going? Don't look at me like that! The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:55:20 -0500 From: "Charles Baucum Jr." Subject: Re: DG: Guns & Ammo Threads - ---------- > From: Jay and Mikiko Noyes > To: Delta Green List > Subject: Re: DG: Guns & Ammo Threads > Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 11:55 AM > > > >topics that someone might have beliefs about, I submit the following topics > >as potentially too controversial for discussion on this list. > > > >1. Guns and any references to such unless the sentence contains some > >variation of DG. > > > >2. Religion and any references to such unless the sentence contains some > >variation of DG. > > > >3. Sex and any references to such unless the sentence contains some > >variation of DG. > > > >4. Politics and any references to such unless the sentence contains some > >variation of DG. > > > >5. Violence and any references to such unless the sentence contains some > >variation of DG. > > > >6. Ethnic culture and any references to such unless the sentence contains > >some variation of DG. > > > >7. Feminism and any references to such unless the sentence contains some > >variation of DG. > > > >8. World politics and any references to such unless the sentence contains > >some variation of DG. > > > >9. Microsoft and any references to such unless the sentence contains some > >variation of DG. > > > >10. Censorship and any references to such unless the sentence contains some > >variation of DG. > > > >Any discussion on any of these points, even if it includes DG, should not > >go beyond 2 or 3 postings lest it become a "flame fest". > > > Ok. Sure thing. Hmmm, conversation... > > Well, the weather sure does suck over here. It's really humid. How > about for y'all? > > > :) > smile, Cthulhu hates you all impersonally > > Jay > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > On retreat: > > Rincewind: "Come on, let's run away." > > Eric: "Where to?" > > Rincewind: "Don't you worry about _to_. In my experience that always takes > care of itself. The important word is _away_." > > Terry Pratchett, "Eric" > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's pretty rotten here too. Rained on me in the parking lot at work and now when the sun comes out the humidity is going to shoot way up. Charles O. Baucum Jr. Mortuus non est quod in aeternum insiditur et aetate ignota mors ipsas finiretur cobaucum@meta3.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:01:54 EDT From: CroakerJr@aol.com Subject: DG: Laughing it off << The Keeper, in a kind mood, decides to reset that 20% thing to reflect the release of tension. >> I think this might be appropriate for relieving temporary insanity or allowing an early SAN reward, but I would recommend against using it to relieve indefinite insanity. 20% of SAN is a LOT of trauma, more than most real-life people even in dangerous occupations or traumatic circumstances will ever lose. It should ordinarily take years of systematic trauma to lose that much SAN (which is why personally I would rather ditch the "...in a short period of time" caveat and apply insanity any time a character has suffered so much as to lose 20%). Dissociative disorders, for instance, develop not after an immediate shock or series of stressors, but after an extended period of severe psychological abuse (such as years of sexual torture by a parent). It could be played in the game that such a disorder could develop after a similarly shock received over a short period instead of accumulated over years; the operative factor would be the amount of SAN lost, not the time in which it is lost. In real life I don't *think* there are case histories to support this, but in real life there are no case histories featuring Shoggoths and Great Old Ones. My main point is that the amount of psychological stress suffered by a character who loses 20% of his or her SAN is beyond what most of us would expect--this is deeper harm than the Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (except the most extreme cases) suffered by soldiers and others after gruesome life-threatening encounters. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:00:52 -0500 From: "Charles Baucum Jr." Subject: Re: DG: Code Book (keepers only) Various and Sundry Replies > > Which of course raises another valuable point: for every DG agent > rushing out to obtain Black Talons or IR goggles (or plain old dynamite) > there should be half-a-dozen cultists lined up for the same purchases. > The various "gun" threads do serve a useful purpose: if nothing else we > have a good idea what dice to roll when next agent Ken gets shot by a > Servant of the Silver Twilight. Think about the weapons inside the Waco > compound. These discussions are not simply about cool toys for player > characters. > > -- > Rob Shankly > ludo@bigpond.com.au > Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you frantic. Exactly! When my group took on the Silver Twilight, updated to the 90's, there was a scenario involving stuff gotten from the future. My cultists had laser rifles marked "Colt-Westinghouse" that I took from an old copy of the game _Aftermath_. My people knew that they would *always* be out-gunned in every way and would have to use their brains whether they had the Barret Light 50 sniper rifle or not. Charles O. Baucum Jr. Mortuus non est quod in aeternum insiditur et aetate ignota mors ipsas finiretur cobaucum@meta3.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:09:34 -0500 From: "Charles Baucum Jr." Subject: Re: DG: X files & MIBsss I always think of a line from an obscure Blue Oyster Cult song. It went, "Three men in black said, 'Don't report this.'" That was the first time I ever heard of MIBs; wasn't until years later that I found out they had long been a sort of urban legend connected with UFOs. Can't remember the name of the song... The song is called "E.T.I. (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence)." It was released in May of 1976 on the BOC album _Agents of Fortune_ , which also has "(Don't Fear) The Reaper." Charles O. Baucum Jr. (big BOC fan) Mortuus non est quod in aeternum insiditur et aetate ignota mors ipsas finiretur cobaucum@meta3.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:28:59 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: X files & MIBsss On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Charles Baucum Jr. violated national security: > The song is called "E.T.I. (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence)." It was > released in May of 1976 on the BOC album _Agents of Fortune_ , which also > has "(Don't Fear) The Reaper." Suck up all the courage you learned from playing D&D, because if you *EVER* tell *anyone* about the BOC again, YOU'RE A DEAD MAN! The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "History Shows again and again, how nature points out the folly of man" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:34:16 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: DG: Conventions and the Big Green Triangle I'm wondering, does anyone have tales of DG at gaming conventions. I'm set to wreak havoc at Alohacon this weekend and am planning on ruining things for everyone. Basic suggestions on how to handle players, introduce the DG concept, hit up con organizers (it's not me for once!) for free goodies, etc is what I'm looking for here. Plot and stuff I got covered. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Plot and stuff I got covered." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 22:05:54 -0400 From: Tal Meta Subject: Re: DG: Conventions and the Big Green Triangle The Man in Black wrote: > > I'm wondering, does anyone have tales of DG at gaming conventions. I'm > set to wreak havoc at Alohacon this weekend and am planning on ruining > things for everyone. > > Basic suggestions on how to handle players, introduce the DG concept, hit > up con organizers (it's not me for once!) for free goodies, etc is what > I'm looking for here. Plot and stuff I got covered. How about the reverse; I'm looking to arrange for GMs (and players, of course) to participate in CoC/DG events at MonCon '99 next year. (MonCon being held in Monmouth County, NJ, at the Tinton Falls Hilton). Interested parties, contact me. :) - -- talmeta@bellatlantic.net - I *am* one of the Chosen Few! ICQ - 12594453 AIM - talmeta1 TANJ Lives! - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:15:11 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: DG: Lords of the Fate Anybody ever write up additional Lords of the Fate? I ruthlessly plagerized the Seventh Generation from WW's Rage Across NY for a few. I'm thinking about adding a Sabbat/Evil Revelations cultist vampire. Other Ideas for FateLords: The NWI Corporate lawyer. (Lord of Law?) The Corrupt law enforcement agent. (Lord of Big Guns?) The Computer Hacker. (Lord of Equations? The Virus Lord? I love computer hackers in my campaigns, they get eaten alive by the horde of AI's I have running around on the net.) The DragQueen (Lady of Dragons) The Extreme Pro-Wrestler (Lord of Barbed Wire, this has a lot of potential: fanatical vampiric crowds chanting Blood! Blood!, his own t-shirt and other merchandise, a stable of lackey wrestler cultists, humorous signs, and of course the showdown: You shewt 'em and he laughs, hitting you with multiple SWANK~! chairshots to the head - sending you over the ropes and through the announcer's table - - the crowd's goes wild, screaming "ECW~! ECW~!" Your last thoughts as your bloody-dent-headed, barbed-wire entangled, concussion victim character loses consciousness: "I thought this stuff was fake..." :) The tattoo artiste (Lord of Skin, maybe the Piercing Lord) The Porno star (Our Lady of Flesh) lets see, AIDS, the naked goddess crossover, drugs, decadence, and of course, the S-E-X. He or She (or both) could kill through a really fast acting STD. Imagine a violent yeast infection that erupts like a flood of decayed yogurt to devour and consume in a festering Ubercolony of Syphilis, Hepatitis-Z, Gonnorrhea, AIDS, genital warts, giant mutated pubic lice, and other even less savory things. Gawd, that is gross, sometimes I amaze even myself. The Man in Black is : The Lord of SQUICK~! Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "DDP Bangs Guys" "What about me? What about Raven?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:31:36 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: RE: DG: X files & MIBsss - -----Original Message----- 差出人 : Charles Baucum Jr. 宛先 : Delta Green List 日時 : 1998年7月7日 7:28 件名 : Re: DG: X files & MIBsss Charles Baucam, Jr. wrote: >The song is called "E.T.I. (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence)." It was >released in May of 1976 on the BOC album _Agents of Fortune_ , which also >has "(Don't Fear) The Reaper." Arigato. I knew it must have been one of their 70s albums (all of mine are thousands of miles away!). I remember it well now. And just to hark back to the couple of "mood music" threads we've featured here before, just about every BOC album has something useful. Lots of UFO, death, and vampire songs, many cheesey, some very cool. I still don't like to have music with distracting lyrics during the game, but my gang always sits around talking, settling in for about an hour or more before the game starts (most of us live pretty far apart, don't see each other much), waiting for stragglers, and music during that time can subtly set the mood. David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 22:50:35 -0400 From: "Walter B. Haight" Subject: Re: DG: X files & MIBsss At 05:09 PM 7/6/98 -0500, you wrote: >I always think of a line from an obscure Blue Oyster Cult song. It went, >"Three men in black said, 'Don't report this.'" That was the first time I >ever heard of MIBs; wasn't until years later that I found out they had long >been a sort of urban legend connected with UFOs. Can't remember the name of >the song... > > >The song is called "E.T.I. (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence)." It was >released in May of 1976 on the BOC album _Agents of Fortune_ , which also >has "(Don't Fear) The Reaper." > >Charles O. Baucum Jr. >(big BOC fan) > > Mortuus non est quod in aeternum insiditur > et aetate ignota mors ipsas finiretur > >cobaucum@meta3.net > > This song also mentions the King in Yellow and the Queen in Red. Hmmmmm. Milk and Cookies Aaron Litz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:12:52 -0700 From: "JimmieBise,Jr" Subject: Re: DG: Conventions and the Big Green Triangle >How about the reverse; I'm looking to arrange for GMs (and players, of >course) to participate in CoC/DG events at MonCon '99 next year. (MonCon >being held in Monmouth County, NJ, at the Tinton Falls Hilton). >Interested parties, contact me. :) > I'd be interested in the information you put together on that....I'm in Maryland, and that might be fun!! - -Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:09:08 -1000 From: "M-Zodiac" Subject: Re: DG: X files & MIBsss Exactly how many BOC fans are on this list? My fave was "Imaginos" Now outta print, and I lost my CD ~snif~. - -Marc "Know this. Elric cannot have what he desires most. What he desires does not exist. What he desires is dead. All Elric has is sorrow, guilt, malice, hatred. This is all he deserves and all he will ever desire." -Moorcock, "The Vanishing Tower" - -----Original Message----- From: Walter B. Haight To: Delta Green List Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 5:03 PM Subject: Re: DG: X files & MIBsss >At 05:09 PM 7/6/98 -0500, you wrote: >>I always think of a line from an obscure Blue Oyster Cult song. It went, >>"Three men in black said, 'Don't report this.'" That was the first time I >>ever heard of MIBs; wasn't until years later that I found out they had long >>been a sort of urban legend connected with UFOs. Can't remember the name of >>the song... >> >> >>The song is called "E.T.I. (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence)." It was >>released in May of 1976 on the BOC album _Agents of Fortune_ , which also >>has "(Don't Fear) The Reaper." >> >>Charles O. Baucum Jr. >>(big BOC fan) >> >> Mortuus non est quod in aeternum insiditur >> et aetate ignota mors ipsas finiretur >> >>cobaucum@meta3.net >> >> > This song also mentions the King in Yellow and the Queen in Red. Hmmmmm. > > >Milk and Cookies > >Aaron Litz > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 20:43:01 -0700 From: Colonel Panic Subject: Re: DG: X files & MIBsss - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 M-Zodiac wrote: > > Exactly how many BOC fans are on this list? > My fave was "Imaginos" Now outta print, and I lost my CD ~snif~. Count me in, too. I've got all of their stuff, but liked 'Imaginos' best, too. Although uneven, their new one is pretty good, too. I think 'Harvest Moon' was written in Dunwich =;> Sure, the cover art's cheezy, but some of the tunes are cool. Has anyone ever heard the BOC song 'Tattoo Vampire'? This one's off of 'Agents of Fortune' also, and I've considered the theme as a scenario hook. Terry - - -- how easy it was for us to laugh at their primitive and strange beliefs as we worked diligently in our kitchens painting chicken eggs for a rabbit to deliver in celebration of the resurrection of our Messiah. -- Michael Page - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNaGZDuUtnTgFYhvTEQJyagCdEclriLKx0fruxb2vdrS6ZXu859MAoLdU zwRLbbG3flrkCkR/HlQEzjjH =h3AP - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 mQGiBDWaRCURBADripNsRu1qfgLP/gKZejNeJwnmzK0XUES11LCpJ6DHNcTIWQmt T6pe6brlpki6M2p8Qe1/DeLcViTIkTHzWdvl0plN8GPP4t55UA0pX0wrPsZOekWg OSdcyAPE4mSkPgRQ2tXsrFe0Z9MJIL6Xcl1u2TVL8A6M7NqCqMd9oiM68QCg/8V2 A0/a12JSiGJ6bBid7Wetxx8EAMuNAsHGI79NDdV9nDQbPTiFOJB46lzY6SiBUTOX klt32pI0Frw0TfP9sNoLPMVIX9+CJ0DH+6qGVGlojechbd8MlRp7NCfFDZFeNXZn sqs8p28H0eOAq0Ee/gwH3lBXehLqm/6G/XA3LyZG6pNTh79O4PITHtqDzFrTwuV0 IzflA/0V5tDvUjO1EnfjPfufNHigf8KwYWsNROpwwcML8u5CSSLTx4SprX+yzgur KjQJEAowVUUoLbE9gCQ+wugOXUv4zB6mK4YauAEWMiwfkThpRm/KEJKveeLoUcSn Zn1rnrWGRAgHJSbiEuOXRQcuj3FeBj7HMRWwjS0HSg2axVVVEbQlQ29sb25lbCBQ YW5pYyA8YWJzaW50aGVAdGVsZXBvcnQuY29tPokASwQQEQIACwUCNZpEJQQLAwEC AAoJEOUtnTgFYhvTcA0AnRGEEsYuz6k14Hl6uWq44oh2VUh4AJ40jWUMDoOhfopV OyZBQOL2XYL7mbkDDQQ1mkVkEAwAxYwqMQETx7YWu7HEuuwEtyyjIxY90eRnmK/C txsgMScBpl+hpJfrePzZBssXZnOu2p3u2Gw64L5ynwVxhUKzHzdVnZ0is0hEvtKZ 0F0z5m/Bu2z/h6h9B8M0HAoJboehqsPCaDhFloZd05ZO0dIeIzDUKZOXiM3Zy9Wj l5h9yOnpXfY/SAqnlFwhK/t0tnhzdNLi8ZJbnvhfdSJ37XsJ9Irryq4CgaLzoZ3l 4mjjKv/iCz5DdTapwD/qFuzwjJDBrRoa6uOb+JeugN+1UzItc3RztusQSgiNTfhZ f+5HfZfG8cXmQ3PYvZoLZz1iX9IlCnThZljorBbgWKwfQSTc/p6RpIZSUFKER9wm bynF9J6rj2wg6EXkiEnEsAMME4COzGSlYF1DPcV8NVKzegGc/tcCgBpMsJe2Esj/ u15wDsBPf2/RgHB5Pdc7nQhEgefnpJ51ULL1pidgqgXxsh4HzH2ZRbFWhgTCIIvn 4g/pK5Np8xACgZ1LPyn1F6KH9Y55AAICDACb0Pbs11glRk4ziUANPPor9YkPeJpt LrkraTwpFKOPqyacbVNsnVCWjXFtLHLYHn6FhomqUMP6ZRx2HHhrDVzMi6+fQGts /Yn4XdeIA8Ygl8D/hf+rXBY4v7eBR4m2+fZdW0pp5Y3b7obLOQAwFlqj4Va6za0B VDqTIrwQaKqGI+lnvgzacR/SGE0QGsM2KNnroQlQdrRuVBaILt+2eHfhbUTAx1Nt xtCYPNmZmv0FvlJzAKYBimdH/gxe2yxjviaOp5kQNPD+6r3kZg2bRUEc5ZGUsoz2 rO9w3e6+7Ynqjuj7DXBcwu7GnPRbO+0l5F86LJAAAa41TDgIgdId+3qbAPr+LmV/ c+/eX6ZgIP+NmtrMCbh3o26jtDs0qVmC8uB8Uwr8zOLncgJOeJPuhLIK5K0ySPRp QXfEtDdQHZ1YC3g7V/GEiUHAnNUhSWwtdFjFse+sQ0vBMDbqGgPbchV3DSN8OU2n QeuuskHBO0CO/oB+t1Jl4pm1cLpyCuvn2gCJAD8DBRg1mkVk5S2dOAViG9MRAsnD AJ4mvy3EV4z4TNEiaO0c84JTAwnRlwCgiMnKDrRn6NTpZ1RS6dMq6vKrliE= =1o2z - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:28:05 -0700 (PDT) From: scott cleverdon Subject: DG: strangling You mean there's no one out there who's hear the Stranglers MeninBlack album? sc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:29:18 -0700 (PDT) From: scott cleverdon Subject: Re: DG: X files & MIBsss I don't beleive I actully miss-spelled the Stranglers... Freudian slip... At 09:32 PM 7/5/98 -0700, you wrote: > >>If anyone hasn't seen this...you should. I esp liked the alien thing >>buried under the Antartic ice for millions of years...hmmmm...wonder where >>they got that idea....? >> >>boy, that series makes much more sense now...well, at least ONE of the many >>plot lines makes more sense that is.... >> >>but they still didn't tell you who the Men In Black are... > > >We are the Men In Black. > >...is it just me or does anyone else think of the band The Strangler when >they hear the words "men in black" >they even called an album "the gospel according to the meninblack" > >Worthy of a listen for any MIB out there... > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:49:26 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: RE: DG: BOC, True Masters (& croc picture) - -----Original Message----- 差出人 : Walter B. Haight 宛先 : Delta Green List 日時 : 1998年7月7日 12:08 件名 : Re: DG: X files & MIBsss Aaron Litz (Lord of Milk & Cookies) wrote: > This song also mentions the King in Yellow and the Queen in Red. Hmmmmm. Oh, man, I'd completely forgotten about that! These guys know Things Which Should Not Be Known! Let's see, maybe BOC used to have a certain thin, extremely fussy guy (slight German accent) for their manager... But who's the Queen in Red? I'm picturing some lady who likes to wear the still-wet skins of her lovers. Or it could just be Buffalo Bill. Didn't I see a partial Yellow Sign in that basement? Oh, BTW, some weirdo just sent me a .bmp of a crocodile being skinned. I have no idea why, but if anyone wants it as a possible prop, please email me off-list and I'll send it to you. It's actually quite colorful, with organs being pulled out. Erp. David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 01:12:35 EDT From: LexAmissa@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: baseball bats in NYC In a message dated 7/6/98 3:38:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Adam.Crossingham@TERRA-NOVA.E-MAIL.COM writes: << On baseball bats being banned.... in NY and Paris. And now the UK...>> I've been following this thread for a couple of days now. Thought I would add my two cents. I am a deputy district attorney in the So. Calif. area (ie public prosecutor for any who are out of state/country and not familiar with the agency). Baseball bats are, in fact, a popular weapon to be carried by gangs precisely because the ganstas can argue that the bat was carried for baseball, and not as a weapon (same story with golf clubs, tire irons, etc.). Under Calif. law (section 12020 of the Penal Code) it is illegal to carry a variety of clubbing weapons, including baseball bats, if the surrounding circumstances show that the bat was carried as a weapon and not for sport. Just carrying a baseball with your bat in the middle of the city with no baseball field around doesn't mean your home free. But because a baseball bat is a common item with legitimate uses, its hard to prosecute these cases unless the gansta says he's carrying it for "protection," which they often do, or there is some other indication its being carried as a weapon. With regard to California's firearms laws, Penal Code sections 12025 and 12031 make it illegal to carry a loaded or concealed firearm in California. If you are transporting a gun (for instance to the gun range) you must keep the ammunition in a separate locked container and you must keep the gun either in a case (preferably in your trunk) or carry it in a conspicuous place (like openly on the front seat) so that it is not concealed. There are a couple of notable exceptions. Law enforcement officers obviously can carry loaded and concealed firearms (some departments require their officers to carry their weapons when they are off duty). Security guards (who need to be certified) can carry loaded firearms to and from work (and during work) but cannot carry concealed weapons. Finally, those persons with a permit to carry a concealed weapon (CCW) can carry a concealed weapon. CCW permits are granted to persons by the chief of police (or the sheriff) of the particular jurisdiction. They are normally VERY hard to get in California (with a few exceptions for those cities desperate to raise income) because of the number of lawsuits that the chief of police gets when anyone with one of THEIR permits does something they shouldn't with their gun. Los Angeles (both city and sheriff) in particular has been notoriously reluctant to issue CCW permits, including to those with a demonstrated need (even to DA's who have received death threats). As far as the weaponry available to the local police - typically any double action handgun you can think of (this excludes single action semi- auto's like the IMI Desert Eagle). Also, (obviously) pump shotguns. Many departments (especially the wealthier cities) arm their officers (not just their SWAT teams) with HK MP-5's (semi-auto), M-16's (same), or CAR-15's. SWAT teams in many cities (mostly larger or wealthier ones) will also have armored cars (very popular these days, esp. in light of the N. Hollywood bank shootout), flash-bang grenades, heavy caliber sniper rifles, etc. Most police departments will also have a variety of non-leathal weapons (tasers, tear gas, bean bag rounds for shotguns, etc) most often carried by a sargeant assigned to patrol. I'm not familiar enough with the FBI to really know their armament. Last I checked I thought their standard issue sidearm was a .40 caliber, I can't remember which manufacturer. I'm sure that the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team and any other SWAT teams they have will have access to the usual assortment of toys. Most weapons that go "boom" like grenades, rockets, incendiaries, etc. are frowned on and not stocked by law enforcement because of their tendency to produce collateral damage to innocent bystanders (like the block of row houses that burned down in the standoff in Phili (?) a few years ago). I hope this was informative. I'd be glad to answer any questions anyone might have. Lex ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V1 #64 *******************************