From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V1 #66 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Thursday, July 9 1998 Volume 01 : Number 066 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:57:42 -0400 From: Viktor Haag Subject: DG: Re: FBI and Kidnapping - ------ Original Message ------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:10:52 -0700 From: "JimmieBise,Jr" Subject: Re: DG: FBI and Kidnapping. [snip] I would assume that the FBI works such policies nationwide, depending on the in-house resources of the agency (i.e. smaller jurisdictions, with fewer resources, get greater FBI attention because they can use the help and manpower more than a larger agency) - ------------------------------ It's also easier to exert control over the actions of smaller agencies with less resources... Presumably other control mechanisms must be used to subvert the larger forces. Agent Eduard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:06:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jose Burgos Subject: DG: Kudos!!! Im sure this is commonly know by now, but I wanted to publicly congratulate Pagan on winning the Origins Award for "Delta Green". Great work, you guys deserve it, Im glad my vote counted. Later, Jose burgos_j@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:56:48 -0400 From: "Eric Brennan" Subject: DG: Cell W Meetings (and some on-topic stuff) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01BDAA89.03B8DC10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Control (i.e. Jim Bise), IS there a meeting of Cell W tomorrow night at my fellow agent's = house? I'm infection free and looking to shoot some Chtonic baddies. = Let me know. And just to keep this on-topic for all y'all list-members who don't = belong to Cell W, I've been wondering how many DG campaigns are arrayed = against MJ12 and other conspiracies out of the DG book rather than the = conventional(?) non-Mi-Go based enemies out of the rest of Lovecraft's = fiction. =20 Really, it seems like most of the DG book barely touches on a lot of = the other things in Lovecraft's writings and I was wondering if any of = you have hit on those yet. (I know the short story collection did...) = And how many of you have "imported" enemies to use from other = Myths/writings? I know that the MIB has borrowed some of White Wolf's = Mage cosmology, but I'm wondering if anybody's looked at Stephen King's = work (not just Jerusalem's Lot or Crouch End, which are both great = Mythos stories but his Dark Tower centered stuff, like the Stand or = Insomnia), or Ramsey Campbell's, or whomever's. (I'll leave a Poppy Z. = Brite comment alone as Jim Bise is on this list;) Just a question to mull over, Agent WALLACE aka Eric Brennan - ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01BDAA89.03B8DC10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Control (i.e. Jim = Bise),
    IS there a = meeting of Cell W=20 tomorrow night at my fellow agent's house?  I'm infection free and = looking=20 to shoot some Chtonic baddies.  Let me know.
    And just to keep = this=20 on-topic for all y'all list-members who don't belong to Cell W,  = I've been=20 wondering how many DG campaigns are arrayed against MJ12 and other = conspiracies=20 out of the DG book rather than the conventional(?) non-Mi-Go based = enemies out=20 of the rest of Lovecraft's fiction. 
    Really, it seems = like most of=20 the DG book barely touches on a lot of the other things in Lovecraft's = writings=20 and I was wondering if any of you have hit on those yet.  (I know = the short=20 story collection did...)  And how many of you have = "imported"=20 enemies to use from other Myths/writings?  I know that the MIB has = borrowed=20 some of White Wolf's Mage cosmology, but I'm wondering if anybody's = looked at=20 Stephen King's work (not just Jerusalem's Lot or Crouch End, which are = both=20 great Mythos stories but his Dark Tower centered stuff, like the Stand = or=20 Insomnia), or Ramsey Campbell's, or whomever's.  (I'll leave a = Poppy Z.=20 Brite comment alone as Jim Bise is on this list;)
    Just a question = to mull=20 over,
    Agent = WALLACE
    aka Eric=20 Brennan
- ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01BDAA89.03B8DC10-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:47:41 -0700 From: paposehn@juno.com (Phil A Posehn) Subject: Re: DG: A Conversation with Thalassa Chandler, or "The END is nigh" Aha! So the Man In Black confesses to having studied creative writing! The last piece of the puzzle falls into place (plop)! I just saw the sneak preview of "Small Soldiers" last night. I was wondering who was responsible for the scene where the toys use Spice Girls music for a Psych-warfare weapon... Phil _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:04:23 -0700 From: paposehn@juno.com (Phil A Posehn) Subject: Re: DG: Cell W Meetings (and some on-topic stuff) I have used Ramsey Campbell's " The Parasite" for a campeign that included DG friendlies. It worked out quite well. Phil _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:47:59 EDT From: PaganArt@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Kudos!!! Thanks Jose, it's still settling in that we actually won! - -Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 16:47:55 -0700 From: Josh Shaw Subject: Re: DG: Cell W Meetings (and some on-topic stuff) Phil A Posehn wrote: > I have used Ramsey Campbell's " The Parasite" for a campeign that > included DG friendlies. It worked out quite well. > Phil Fiction? You guys use *Fiction* ? Personally, I've always found whacko non-fiction much more usefull. After all, where do toys like Area 51, Majestic 12 and so forth actually come from anyway. If branching out a little, I highly recomend a little light reading on Vodoun, Santaria and the fringier bits of biblical studies (Holy Blood\Holy Grail being a particular favorite of mine) and some good anti-masonic/ anti-illuminatti/CFR conspiracy rants. Not to forget actual anchient religion, mystery cults and that storehouse of absolute wierdness, the Bible. Just include a little literal mindness and some imagination and stir. Fiction is fine, but no writer could ever come up with stuff as wild as what some people will assert as gods honest truth. And it has resonance. The players, if well educated, will figure out just enough about your sources to go..........."and is any of this loosely based on fact?". Nothing is as convincingly scary as the "real world". Plus you can find great handouts! OTOH, I will admidt to using fiction in some of my earlier non-delta campaigns. Ask me sometime about the 1860's trip where they met Tarzan of the Dark Young, got analy raped by the Gorrilla Guards of the Lost City of Ophir and were trapped aboard Captain Nemo's Mythos Powered / Mutant Crewed Submarine. Of course, everybody died at least twice, except for The Welshman, who got turned into a ghoul, and it was months before they'd trust me to run again.......... But they're still talking about that campaign. - -----Josh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:18:26 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: RE: DG: Alternate cosmologies This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01BDAB1A.874223C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit - -----Original Message----- ·ol : Eric Brennan ˆΆζ : Delta Green ML “ϊŽž : 1998”N7ŒŽ9“ϊ 5:14 Œ–Ό : DG: Cell W Meetings (and some on-topic stuff) Agent Wallace wrote: And how many of you have "imported" enemies to use from other Myths/writings? I know that the MIB has borrowed some of White Wolf's Mage cosmology, but I'm wondering if anybody's looked at Stephen King's work (not just Jerusalem's Lot or Crouch End, which are both great Mythos stories but his Dark Tower centered stuff, like the Stand or Insomnia), or Ramsey Campbell's, or whomever's. Well, I mentioned in an earlier post that I am using the setting of the Gunslinger's homeland as a "Dreamlands Texas." The Walking Dude from The Stand is so clearly an avatar of Nyarlathotep that he can't really be called a non-Mythos creature. (In fact, I seem to remember him being mentioned in a supplement.) In a recent adventure, I got a lot of inspiration from William Burroughs (it was a sort of memorial to him). One word: centipedes. On the crossover RPG front, Kult is my main interest at the moment. I'm fiddling a lot with Mental Balance as a replacement for SAN, and adapting the Kult magic system to give structure to the CoC system. However, I want to be careful not to make magic as accessible as it is in Kult. There are some genuine incompatibilities. I'm going to post a simple conversion for Mental Balance soon. I've thought about World of Darkness, but it just doesn't fit the feel of my campaign. I DO like vampires; I just don't much like that goth thing, or the idea that they're behind everything. We already have enough competing World Domination Conspiracies in CoC, and the Wyrm and Cthulhu--well, the universe is only so big. My favorite vampire in literature right at the moment is Cassidy from the comic book, The Preacher. Very cool Irish nutcase. I've been toying with an idea lately: Vampires are the result of a flawed Resurrection spell. They come back to life, but they need to steal life essence (the blood is a carrier) and avoid sunlight. They are very difficult to kill, but other than that, any special powers they have come through studying magic. Be seeing you, David - ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01BDAB1A.874223C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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Agent Wallace wrote:
 
 And how many of you have=20 "imported" enemies to use from other Myths/writings?  = I know=20 that the MIB has borrowed some of White Wolf's Mage cosmology, but = I'm=20 wondering if anybody's looked at Stephen King's work (not just = Jerusalem's=20 Lot or Crouch End, which are both great Mythos stories but his Dark = Tower=20 centered stuff, like the Stand or Insomnia), or Ramsey Campbell's, = or=20 whomever's. 
 
Well, I mentioned in = an earlier post=20 that I am using the setting of the Gunslinger's homeland as a=20 "Dreamlands Texas." The Walking Dude from The Stand is so = clearly=20 an avatar of Nyarlathotep that he can't really be called a = non-Mythos=20 creature. (In fact, I seem to remember him being mentioned in a=20 supplement.)
 
In a recent adventure, = I got a lot=20 of inspiration from William Burroughs (it was a sort of memorial to = him).=20 One word: centipedes.
 
On the crossover RPG = front, Kult is=20 my main interest at the moment. I'm fiddling a lot with Mental = Balance as a=20 replacement for SAN, and adapting the Kult magic system to give = structure to=20 the CoC system. However, I want to be careful not to make magic as=20 accessible as it is in Kult. There are some genuine = incompatibilities. I'm=20 going to post a simple conversion for Mental Balance = soon.
 
I've thought about World of Darkness, but it just doesn't fit = the feel=20 of my campaign. I DO like vampires; I just don't much like that goth = thing,=20 or the idea that they're behind everything. We already have enough = competing=20 World Domination Conspiracies in CoC, and the Wyrm and = Cthulhu--well, the=20 universe is only so big.
 
My favorite vampire in literature right at the moment is = Cassidy from=20 the comic book, The Preacher. Very cool Irish nutcase. I've been = toying with=20 an idea lately: Vampires are the result of a flawed Resurrection = spell. They=20 come back to life, but they need to steal life essence (the blood is = a=20 carrier) and avoid sunlight. They are very difficult to kill, but = other than=20 that, any special powers they have come through studying = magic.
 
Be seeing you,
David
- ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01BDAB1A.874223C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:21:06 +1000 From: Ford Benjamin Subject: DG: BOC and Cthulhu Have a look at the Blue Oyster Cult FAQ at: http://j-and-a.com/blueoystercult/faq.html#4g This link leads straight into the section on the BOC/HPL connection. Thanks, Benjamin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 19:37:25 -0400 From: "R. Menzi" Subject: Re: DG: Heavy Ordinance problems -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>> So my question is: Should i have DG contacts "take care" of the Felony charges of possession of an illegal weapon, or should i just throw the guy to the wolves.... <<<<<<<< Well, it depends on how useful the character was. If he's to become an agent, just make it disappear, but if you want him as a friendly, this makes excellent biographic leverage. Here's how it works: The weapon disappears and the DA has to drop the case because there's no weapons and no bodies to be found. Don't make it disappear from evidence locker, en route is better because you don't risk a contact in the evidence locker (a very useful place to have one, but best saved for very big things). As long as there's no weapon, an OJ-style police conspiracy case can be made in the defence and there's no concrete evidence to be found, only a disappearing paper trail that could have been forged. So, as long as the friendly keeps his ass in line, the weapon stays "lost." As soon as he starts to turn, the weapon is found in the evidence locker (under a pile of smuggled cigarettes or something) and the DA gets to bag the one that got away. That's the stick, now you have to give the friendly a carrot. Make him feel needed, set him up with hookers if you have to, have his boss give him a raise, let the cover stories make him out as a hero and give him honors and medals. After all, he's a friendly, it pays to make him more seen than the real agents. Hell, if you load him up enough, you can make it seem as though he was one of the major players come the senate's investigation; they love to take down people they think are big shots, so trying to pin his case alone might give the real agents a whole month or two to get away. Regards, <<<<<< R. Menzi >>> - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.5 for non-commercial use < iQA/AwUBNaKxNKhFxkX3nANTEQIwdwCeMq3jE9yyHwDKabeqWa7NndGzQ3AAnRco jT/2Hf3E1DvOcDqlj5win8Sr =lD/8 - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:36:01 -0700 From: "JimmieBise,Jr" Subject: Re: DG: Cell W Meetings (and some on-topic stuff) > >But they're still talking about that campaign. > And that's why we all run campaigns...:-) For my ongoing campaign, I am mixing in some Stephen King, Peter Straub, Richard Wagner (or at least his treatment of the German Pantheon), the movie It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World, and a couple other things that have struck my fancy in the past couple of weeks. I, however have played in at least two incredible campaigns that featured mythical elements straight from the Joseph Campbell series, The Homicide book and television show, Tolkien, Voodoun legends, The Watchmen and one other comic (that's memorable to me, except for its name....c'mon Eric, you lent it to me...), and the life and times of Charles Dodgson (AKA Lewis Carroll), so, anything's liable to fly, as long as you can bring the players with you into your story and make them believe.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:56:22 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: DG: Foreign Translations of Delta Green Since so many soccer hooligans from the UK pollute the list with their obscure babblings about the 2nd amendment (whatever that is, seems to involve big guns, so it must be pretty kewl), I was pondering if Pagan was considering an English translation of DG? ...or would that be covered in Countdown? The Man in Black is : absolutely serious about the whole thing. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 20:48:37 -0400 From: "R. Menzi" Subject: DG: how secret is secret? - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 <<< I was wondering how others GM's deal with the secrecy Delta Green. >>> These are a couple of old posts I made on the topic on the DG conspiracy and how I run its structure in my "simulations." These are just old news to those of you who caught my original posts and this one is just cut-and-paste with a few things added for clarification. - - --------------------- ON THE CELL STRUCTURE: how "agents" are really friendlies - - --------------------- Aside from the fact that letter designation isn't a meaningful measure of rank, it also doesn't reflect on what other agents a cell might have contact with. The two are simply not related. They don't have a contact above and below at all. It they have contacts with agents outside their cell, it has more to do with areas of expertise and training than with the sequence of the alphabet. Contact between cells, BTY, is a big security risk if A cell is trying to make it slow and hard to take DG down. I only asume that they are trying to keep agents as seperate as they can do that if one falls all of the rest aren't in as much danger of discovery. (That's the whole point of a cell structure!) Information going towards the agents is not shared freely. It is a need-to-know basis more than calling up your old buddies. Sometimes, whoever decides who needs to know what will decide that an (N)PC isn't in need. If right, security is maintained without losses. If wrong, losses are incurred . . . along with even more security, seeing as the (N)PC's are now dead. Int goes up the "ladder" to A cell by neccessity; if an agent is compromised or taken out, the whole must know what he knows (knew) and where he left off his mission. This is also how friendlies can be "inheirited" by another agent with need for a man in whichever field makes the friendly so valuable. (IE: it lets you use friendlies as recurring NPC's with several cells, even after the agent that tied him to DG has gone missing, thus fixing the problems that might have made you part with an orphaned friendly that happens to be a facorite PC.) I usually play it that each player plays an agent in the cell and also a friendy for each of the other players. This lets you decide which groups to use without making a security problem by clumping the agents together. This also lets the players have a variety of angles to play in the same game. Most ops use only one agent (that is, one set of characters), while a second can be called in only if the shit hits the fan, losing as few agents as possible when diaster strikes. Another side benefit is that the payers can come in with a new group of characters using an ultra-plausable rationale: another part of the cell following up where the departed left off. All it takes is a phone call from the cell leader to get the next agent and his friendlies on the trail. - - --------------- ON CELL LEADERS: the ones between you and need-to-know stuff. - - --------------- First, an example of a "cell leader" is cell E's NSC advisor or the pres (pg 277 of the DG book). These are guys with alot of pull, but who's positions don't let them run around on ops. the cell members are spread out and often have little contact with each other outside the cases for which they need to pool their resources. (Read: when the keeper wants to have the players come at the situation from may angles and with many characters each.) They are encouraged to have as little contact with others as needed without compromising the case. They usually work with their friendlies and, occationally, a cell member with useful experience. The cell leader never goes out on ops. He is the member who they get their hints from, not a PC. This guy, already a step removed from the active members on the ops, has a couple of contacts here and there in the conspiracy, enough to get int flowing along as a good rate, but not enough to let an investigating commitee/torturer know the extent of the conspiracy. The cell leader knows the cell members, kows about their friendlies, and knows the cell leader "above" and "below" his. These "players" don't show themselves on ops, ever. They are not "active" agents. Having people who know that much about the conspiracy in a compromised position or linked in any way to the violation of some cultist's constitutional rights is a very bad thing. The "cell leader's" life isn't as interesting as the PC agents', but DG can't afford to have them going out risking death and/or capture. In short, those phone calls that tell you what you need to know, those inquaries your characters make for info on whatever elusive creature/cult is the target of the op, requests for leave due to mental health, and forced addmitance to an insane asylum are all handled by the "cell leader," who is rarely met face-to-face by the characters. There are no more than 26 of these "cell leaders," none of which know more than 2 others. A particularly knowledgable agent, who is also unable to take part in ops (usually due to age and/or other complications of experience) might become one of these "cell leaders" should one of them be compromised/die. (If compromised, hopefully, he dies too.) If a cell leader is compromised, the cell and all friendlies attached to it are considered lost or turned. This is a likely cause of the recent loss of one of our cells in the UK. - - ----------------- hope you found it useful. Regards, << R. Menzi >> - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.5 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNaQTZKhFxkX3nANTEQKR9wCgjeU/5ZTZbGYwRlh5Al5t/q3ER5YAn087 tno80jSMiDw37Ju7vRorrtN9 =xZ3n - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:00:45 +0900 From: ft203004@fsinet.or.jp (Jay and Mikiko Noyes) Subject: Re: DG: A Conversation with Thalassa Chandler, or "The END is nigh" Concerning Mr. Sock and his CEO friends: ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!R OFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!RO FL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROF L!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL !ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL! ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL! Having recovered, I congratulate you on your twisted creativity. Thanks, Jay - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- Stercus, stercus, stercus, moriturus sum Terry Pratchett, "Interesting Times" - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:25:29 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: A Conversation with Thalassa Chandler, or "The END is nigh" On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Jay and Mikiko Noyes had a cow: > Having recovered, I congratulate you on your twisted creativity. Y'golonac, the malodorous source of all sick humor... > Thanks, > Jay You're welcome. Now you must send me videotapes of All-Japan Wrestling. TRIBUTE~! I DEMAND TRIBUTE~! The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:57:14 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: DG: Space Event Ship For those who are not in the know, Two navy SEALS under our unique jurisdiction recently encountered a Chinese Naval Air Forces Space Event Ship while transporting certain archeological items recovered in the South Pacific area. The vessel in question (Wan Xuan 3) was reported sunk, with all hands lost at sea. Some information concering the vessel: Wan Xuan 3 Chinese Naval Air Forces Space Event Ship Converted 1Gagarin Class vessel Displacement: 53,500 tons Measurement: 32,291 gross, 5247 net Dimensions (feet/meters): 760 x 101.7 x 30.2 / 232x31x9.2 Main Machinery: 2 Nuclear PWR (60 MW), 2 turbines (19,000hp) Speed (knots): 17 Radars: Navigation, Don Kay & Okean, I band, SATNAV, meteorlogical, radio astronomy Comment: This vessel is used for tracking satellites, investigating upper atmosphere conditions, and control of space vehicles. It undoubtedly conducts ELINT, SIGINT and other technical intelligence collections. The vessel can be readily identified by her two large ShipShell Dish Antenna and the two smaller ShipBowl dish antenna. In addition the less obvious 2 Vee-Cone and 4 Quad Ring antennas round out the complement. With all four aerials vertical she loses 2 kts of Speed. The vessel was purchased by the Chinese Government from the former Soviet Union and was converted from the 1Gagarin class vessel Grigori Kolstov, which was based on the design of the Sofia or Akhtyuba class steam tankers. The primary conversion was the addition of the Nuclear Power systems, which were installed at the Shanghai Jiangnan Shipyard sometime in late 1989 or early 1990. The vessel had a state of the art meteorlogical laboratory, and perhaps other more classified and sensitive equipment. Her crew consisted of some of the finest minds in China. RIP Wan Xuan 3 The Man in Black is : not afraid of Dark Horse Comix Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum RIP WEG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:59:16 -0500 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ricardo_J._M=E9ndez?=" Subject: DG: Delta Green story Hi everyone. I've just uploaded a Delta Green story to the following URL: http://www.geocities.com/~rmendez/deltagreen/miracle.zip I was going to upload it as a web page, but it is rather long so I believe this to be the best option. It's a zipped RTF file, which you should be able to read. If you're interested and want a text file, just let me know and I'll send one over. Good luck, Ricardo J. Mιndez rmendez@geocities.com PGP Fingerprint: 8D9A 2B53 5631 4594 DE6D 69DF 3DCA 37E0 C27A 4EAB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 01:54:24 EDT From: Escutcheon@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Heavy Ordinance problems In a burst of felonius energy, R. Menzi writes: (About an illegal weapon...) <<<< ...this makes excellent biographic leverage... (snip) The weapon disappears and the DA has to drop the case becausethere's no weapons and no bodies to be found. Don't make it disappear from the evidence locker, en route is better... (snip) So, as long as the friendly keeps his ass in line, the weapon stays "lost." As soon as he starts to turn, the weapon is found in the evidence locker... (snip) >>>> The real advantage of all this (from the Keeper's perspective) is that the Investigators and NPCs may not realize that the "Chain of Evidence" is now hopelessly screwed. The gun will get thrown out of court inside of a New York minute. This leaves a really pissed off informant convinced that the Investigators planned to screw him over from the start. That "stick" is almost guaranteed to leave the one who tries it with their cheeks hanging in the breeze. As a keeper, I love that sort of thing. Yr. Obd't. Servant, J. Frederick MacKenzie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 22:58:28 -0700 From: Josh Shaw Subject: Re: DG: how secret is secret? R. Menzi wrote: A bunch of usefull stuff, all of which I deleted. The quirk he didn't mention is that friendlies can have "friendlies" of their own. In my current campaign (no deaths yet, I am being *so* nice this run) there are no agents on the investigation. Moran (the Airforce Major) knows he's working for some covert arm of the government but has no clear idea of exactly whom (or how to contact them when the excrement strikes the blades). Wu (the geologist) knows that Moran has been involved in "strange events" before, as has she, but doesn't know for a fact that some covert branch of USGOV is funding the investigation. The other three "investiagtors" (the newbies) are dupes. They know that something strange and bad is going on, but as far as they know their just investigating it on their own. Nobody involved has even heard the name "delta green" and if picked up only one of them can even give a vague description of two agents. On the other hand, the psychopath running the NRO Delta team that's responsible for the problem would instantly join Delta Green if only he knew of it's existance. Tho he would have fit in even better in the old "cowboy" organization. - ----- Josh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 02:32:55 -0700 From: Joseph Camp Subject: Re: DG: Foreign Translations of Delta Green >Since so many soccer hooligans from the UK pollute the list with their >obscure babblings about the 2nd amendment (whatever that is, seems to >involve big guns, so it must be pretty kewl), I was pondering if Pagan was >considering an English translation of DG? > >...or would that be covered in Countdown? Heh. There are French and German translations of Pagan's Delta Green book in the works, I'm told. As for UK residents, or at least those who can still be counted among the unaugmented human race, I'm sure that COUNTDOWN will have plenty to keep them busy. be seeing you, Alphonse ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 09:41:42 -0400 From: "Randall L. Orndorff" Subject: DG: Cult of Transcendence, Introduction, other matters... First of all, I would like to introduce myself. I am Randall Orndorff, and have been a fan of Delta Green ever since I viewed the preview on the Pagan Publishing web site. I ran a campaign with another GM for about ten to twelve people (depending on the point in the campaign). Between the two of us, we ran cells M, N, and O well into the ground. It was fun, especially the escalating war between two cults in New York City. Anyway, I am about to run another campaign (thankfully for a smaller group), and I was just wondering whether anybody had any advice on how to run a successful (and most importantly) fun campaign. Also, I was surprised to hear that this new supplement on the modern Mythos is coming out before the Cult of Trancendence book. Any news on this? Before I go, some shameless fandom. I wholeheartedly believe that Delta Green is among the best role-playing supplements out there, and I feel that Pagan Publishing has the largest ratio of talent to developer in the industry. When I learned that Greg Stolze (who works for AEG, creators of L5R roleplaying) was writing one of the stories in Alien Intelligence, I was, needless to say, very enthused. I hope Pagan continues to carry on the same high-quality work that no giant in the industry like TSR or White Wolf could accomplish. Thanx for your patience. Randall L. Orndorff - -- Eat the Rich. The Poor are Tough and Stringy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:22:08 +0900 From: ft203004@fsinet.or.jp (Jay and Mikiko Noyes) Subject: Re: DG: A Conversation with Thalassa Chandler, or "The END is nigh" >TRIBUTE~! I DEMAND TRIBUTE~! voice whispered in ear: Remember that you too are mortal. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- Stercus, stercus, stercus, moriturus sum Terry Pratchett, "Interesting Times" - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:28:32 GMT0BST From: Robert Thomas Subject: Re: DG: Foreign Translations of Delta Green The MIB wrote: > Since so many soccer hooligans from the UK pollute the list with their > obscure babblings about the 2nd amendment (whatever that is, seems to > involve big guns, so it must be pretty kewl), I was pondering if Pagan was > considering an English translation of DG? > > ...or would that be covered in Countdown? > > The Man in Black is : absolutely serious about the whole thing. > Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Just a quick question from us soccer (THAT'S ACTUALLY FOOTBALL) hooligans, (that'l annoy some people). What is this second ammendment you refer to? As the UK has an unwritten constitution ie its very flexible (the UK gov resisted European Legislation on basic human rights as not needed; as it was in the "unwritten constitution"), how can the be any ammendments to it? BTW any news on when Countdown is to make its debut? outahere, Rob. "You have to be, not only in R'lyeh, but in R'lyeh when the stars are right. Then all you have to do is open a big door. And get killed, natch." - J. B. Lee, on summoning Cthulhu "Oh MY God... They Killed Kenny!": "YOU BASTARDS!". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 18:22:06 -0400 From: "Walter B. Haight" Subject: Re: DG: BOC and Cthulhu At 11:21 AM 7/9/98 +1000, you wrote: >Have a look at the Blue Oyster Cult FAQ at: > >http://j-and-a.com/blueoystercult/faq.html#4g > >This link leads straight into the section on the BOC/HPL connection. > >Thanks, > >Benjamin > > > > > Wow! Neato! The Lord of Milk and Cookies Aaron Litz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:46:10 +0200 From: PM Subject: Re: DG: Foreign Translations of Delta Green >Heh. There are French and German translations of Pagan's Delta Green book >in the works, I'm told. As for UK residents, or at least those who can >still be counted among the unaugmented human race, I'm sure that >COUNTDOWN will have plenty to keep them busy. The french translation is currently in process of proofreading. It is scheduled for an Autumn or early winter release, if I understood well. Hopes are high as CoC is one of the best selling RPG in France (after ADD) and the french RPG magazine people really liked the book and told a LOT about it. Patrice Mermoud ============================================= Patrice Mermoud (Paris - France) mermoud@easynet.fr mermoud@mygale.org http://www.mygale.org/~mermoud/ ============================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 23:22:44 -0400 From: Daniel Harms Subject: Tyson (was Re: DG: Queen in Red - a warning to the curious >If this really is a fictionalization of some of mr. Tyson's tenements, I >wonder what could be found on the subject in his more "serious" books >such as the engagingly titled "Ritual Magic - What it is and how to do it") >that are advertised at the back of the book. Not that I'm going to >investigat them, of course. Haven't seen them myself. From what I've heard, however, they seem to state that the Enochian Keys of Dr. John Dee, when spoken, would bring about the Apocalypse. Tyson claims, for example, that Aleister Crowley's vibrating them in the desert in the first decade of the century was responsible for the world wars. The only other thing I know about his works is that they're favorites of Marilyn Manson, for some reason. Since this is getting quite off-topic, I'll see what else I can find. Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu "Wool is wool. Wool is a pack of lies." -- Richard S. Shaver ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 98 16:34 GMT From: FRANK M ADAMS Subject: DG: The insidious splash... FILE #GR-2789-A98 This correspondence was recently unearthed in Annapolis during a routine remote filescan. It's relevance to our AO is subtle but unmistakeable... ------------------------------------------------------------------ USS GRIDLEY (DLG-21) DLG-21/P L:wr 9000 Sor 520 Jul 10 1964 From: Commanding Officer, U.S.S. GRIDLEY (DLG-21) To: Chief, Bureau of Ships Subj: Urinals; height of 1. In a recent exchange of correspondence between Commander, Puget Sound Naval Shipyard and the Chief, Bureau of Ships, the Commander, Puget Sound Naval Shipyard on the basis of complaints by U.S.S. GRIDLEY (DLG-21) and U.S.S. REEVES (DLG-24), recommended that in future construction the urinals be installed at a height of 26 inches above the deck rather than the specified 23 inches. In response to the recommendation, the Chief, Bureau of Ships stated that the evidence cited did not justify a departure from the approved specifications on the height of urinal installation. 2. Since the original recommendation was made partly on the basis of complaints by GRIDLEY personnel and since there is an indication that GRIDLEY's complaint was not adequately justified, GRIDLEY has caused a more thorough inquiry into the facts. 3. A survey of ship's company has revealed that the tallest man in the crew is 6'6" and the shortest is 5'4". In a dry run, these two men have been posed at the urinals, at their present height of 23", and it has been determined that the tallest man has 15 inches clearance and the shortest 4 inches. Although GRIDLEY completely concurs in the desireablity of fully documenting its recommendations it is considered that photographs may be, in this instance, omitted due to the delicacy of the subject. At any rate, it may be seen from the above figures that even the shortest man in the crew would still have one inch clearance if the urinals were mounted 3 inches higher. Let there be no thought that there is anything wrong with GRIDLEY's marksmanship. We can hit them, but it must be realized that the longer the drop in flow, the higher the head and consequently the greater the splash. Splash is the nemesis of sanitation. 4. From GRIDLEY's measurements and from information gleaned from the almanac that the average height of the American male is increasing, it is clear to GRIDLEY that the urinals are too low and should be raised. It appears that the fault lies in the change in the type urinal and possibly the change in height of the average man since the specifications were written and that there is no truth to the rumor that the man in BUSHIPS in charge of writing specifications for urinal heights is a midget and short coupled at that. 5. A change in specifications for future ships is earnestly recommended. P.A. LILLY, Jr. Copy to: PSNS, Brem. Wash. CO, USS REEVES (DLG-24) ************************** REPLY FOLLOWS ************************** Ser 423-2346 5 AUG 1964 From: Chief, Bureau of Ships To: Commanding Officer, USS Gridley (DLG-21) Subj: Urinals; height of Ref: (a) USS GRIDLEY ltr Ser 520 dtd 10 July 1964 (b) NAVSHIPYD PUGET SOUND ltr Ser DLG-29/9360 dtd 1 April 1964 (c) BUSHIPS ltr 523-376 dtd 28 April 1964 (d) BUSHIPS ltr Ser 632A-377 dtd 2 June 1964 1. In response to reference (a), reference (b, (c) and (d) have dealt with the subject at length and should clearly indicate to the Commanding Officer, USS GRIDLEY, that the Chief, Bureau of Ships has by no means taken a hands-off stand in this matter. 2. In view of the delicate nature of the situation, considerable time and effort, both in-house and out, was directed at the subject. From this steady stream of information, the current Bureau Specification of 23" has been found to compare favorably with maritime, aviation and other industrial standards. Domestic engineering standards give the installed height of urinal lip as 20" to 21". The Crane Company catalog shows the height as 22". Although a unique relationshipo developed earlier by USS REEVES (DLG-24) between bowl size and trajectory appears valid, there is no known cure for splash. Habit, experience and care will minimize but not eliminate this problem regardless of a man's height relative to that of the urinal. 3. Based on the above, I feel that we are on firm if not dry ground with our current specification. A review of the suitablity of the smaller vitreous china urinal will be made prior to next standard plans revision. In the interim, it is suggested that you utilize the technique recommended by the Fire Chief from Wichita Falls -- if you can't stand closer to the fire, reel out more hose. s/W. A. BROCKETT Copy to: USS REEVES PUGET SOUND NAVSHIPYD -------------------------------------------------------------------- This document's veracity has been proven to a LEVEL 6 VERISIMILITUDE. All references to the mysterious "Fire Chief" have been purged from the Annapolis database, but AI ROxI is currently doing a sweep of all available related resources. Operation WICHITA FALLS has been proposed to A Cell in order to ascertain the extent of any possible compromise. Agent FRANK ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V1 #66 *******************************