From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V1 #71 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Friday, July 17 1998 Volume 01 : Number 071 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:02:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Kinney Subject: DG: Deadlands/CoC and Werewolf help (was Re: Golden Age of Piracy in the Old West? Believe it or not, yes, this will be on topic eventually... :-) On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Michael Layne wrote: > Well, actually this sounds more suited to _Deadlands_ than Delta > Green... Hmm... A Deadlands-CoC crossover? (Well, Pinnacle and White > Wolf are doing that three-part Deadlands/Werewolf crossover...) :) > And to my understanding (I also hang out on the Deadlands list) this actually *is* happening. No Delta Green, natch, but yes, CoC. :-) Now then... also speaking of werewolves, one of the PCs in my Delta Green game was bitten by a werewolf (the wolf-type) and infected... and wants to try to learn how to control the change. Any thoughts on how to proceed? I have a few ideas, but want to see if anyone's dealt with it before. Thanks, alberich@iglou.com | Mark Kinney | http://www.iglou.com/nations "You see that I am different, see that I am strange, I'm a bumpkin I'm a lout" -- Shane MacGowan and the Popes, "Victoria" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:08:46 -0500 From: "R. Michael Dukes" Subject: Re: Golden Age of Piracy in the Old West? (was: Re: DG: Delta Green, WW2-style (Skorzini)) Michael Layne wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:16:36 -0400 "Eric Brennan" > writes: > > > Actually, I've never heard of these guys, but would be interested > >in > >hearing more. (My area of history isn't the Second World War, more > >like > >Golden Age of Piracy, old West.) > > Sincerely > > Agent WALLACE > > aka Eric Brennan > > > Sounds like Agent WALLACE is talking about the Golden Age of Piracy in > the Old West... > > Things are quiet -- too quiet.... > > Suddenly, a stagecoach pulls up in front of the bank, in the > Western town. A 5-pounder swivel-gun is mounted atop the coach, tended > by a pair of scruffy-looking characters who would be more at home on the > gundeck of a sloop of war than a stagecoach. From a mast just aft of > the cannon, the Jolly Roger flutters in the breeze. > > The door of the coach opens, and out leaps a scruffy-looking > bearded man with an eyepatch. A parrot is perched on one shoulder, and > he carries a cutlass in one hand, and a LeMat revolver in the other. > > He announces to the astounded bank teller: > > "Avast there, matey! Strike yer colors or I'll scuttle ye! > Surrender your money and prepare to be boarded! Arrr...." > > Well, actually this sounds more suited to _Deadlands_ than Delta > Green... Hmm... A Deadlands-CoC crossover? (Well, Pinnacle and White > Wolf are doing that three-part Deadlands/Werewolf crossover...) :) > > Michael > theherald@juno.com > > "Well, if you're a pirate, you only have to know two letters of the > alphabet: "Aye!" and "Arr!"..." > ---- Lord Michael Langley of RIversmeet > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Actually, the papers have already been signed. Deadlands and CoC will indeed be doing a crossover. They hope to have it out this fall... Delta Green, Coc, and Deadlands... gotta love role-playing games. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:01:05 -0400 (EDT) From: gmgm@netmcr.com (G.M.) Subject: Re: Golden Age of Piracy in the Old West? (was: Re: DG: Delta Green, WW2-style (Skorzini)) > Things are quiet -- too quiet.... > > Suddenly, a stagecoach pulls up in front of the bank, in the >Western town. A 5-pounder swivel-gun is mounted atop the coach, tended >by a pair of scruffy-looking characters who would be more at home on the >gundeck of a sloop of war than a stagecoach. From a mast just aft of >the cannon, the Jolly Roger flutters in the breeze. > > The door of the coach opens, and out leaps a scruffy-looking >bearded man with an eyepatch. A parrot is perched on one shoulder, and >he carries a cutlass in one hand, and a LeMat revolver in the other. > > He announces to the astounded bank teller: > > "Avast there, matey! Strike yer colors or I'll scuttle ye! >Surrender your money and prepare to be boarded! Arrr...." > > Well, actually this sounds more suited to _Deadlands_ than Delta >Green... Hmm... A Deadlands-CoC crossover? (Well, Pinnacle and White >Wolf are doing that three-part Deadlands/Werewolf crossover...) :) > I *saw* this plot on "The Adventures of Brisco County Jr." A very fun and sadly missed show. Reruns are on TNT. As for the crossover, where is it being published? GAry m, minor epot aka "Sneezy the Squid" - ------------------------------ "Decadence is it's own reward" DNRC Member since 1995 AOL Instant Message ID& AOL email address: gmgm1970 ICQ ID#: 8391493 ICQ nick: minor epot ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:30:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Don Juneau Subject: Re: DG: DG Concentration Camps. On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Eric Brennan wrote: > As far as some scary real life concentration camps in America > conspiracies go, I cannot recommend highly enough "The 60 Greatest > Conspiracies of All Time," which discusses in detail the REX-84/FEMA > contreversy in the mid '80s, the personalities involved, etc. (REX-84 is > the basis for Morrison's Invisibles story.) > For those of you who've seen the X-Files movie, you already know about > FEMA and their governmental powers. One of their ideas was to create > concentration camps to hold "possible terrorists." These are also the > people who had a shadow-government ready in case of a nuclear strike, as > well as what has been described as a James Bondian base underneath the > mountains in Virginia. > Why is this important? Because some people say that they didn't just > _plan_ the camps. They put them into execution... Yup; back in my CircuitNet days, some discussion came up in the Firearms and Debate echoes about such conspiracies. (I think one fellow had read a book called REX84 or suchlike; I'd have to check the olde mail..) Popped up around the same time as (supposedly) the UN was establishing equipment depots of armoured vehicles and the like, and adding cryptic codes to the backs of road signs for non-English-reading "Occupation Forces"... at one point, someone was claiming there were hundreds of SovSurplus APCs being shipped around Montana's hinterlands (ie, anywhere outside of the "major" cities ). All *I* ever saw was a trainload or two of Humvees, and those might have been through-shipments. Oh, and the rare US Navy or Canadian fighter. (Some came in for the "Big Sky Day" airshows at Malmstrom, but sometimes they'd pop in up at the airport - Reservists or training, I suspect.) Don ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:30:17 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: RE: When gaming goes bad - -----Original Message----- 差出人 : Jay and Mikiko Noyes 宛先 : Delta Green List 日時 : 1998年7月17日 0:12 件名 : DG: When gaming goes bad Jay wrote: >Then over the next few days, one of the cultists took several hostages, >including one of the players, which was only discovered when the group >visited police headquarters and were warned away by a man who suddenly began >vomiting and shitting water moccasins. The party was startled to say the least. > Jay, I thought *I* was going to shit a water moccasin after reading that one. ROTFL big-time. You can console yourself that your group will never forget that one. Here's one of mine, pretty well related to DG. I was a player in this one, and the Keeper was trying a sort of X-Files game (this was a while before DG came out, maybe around the same time the original idea got flown in TUO). We were a bunch of misfit FBI agents who'd been assigned to the pseudo X-Files division. First adventure, we got sent down to the Louisiana Bayou to check out a possible kidnapping, young college student. Being long-time CoC players, we checked out the swamps, and with other evidence, we homed in on the remnants of the old Cthulhu Cult. Still, we had no real evidence that they had commited any crimes, just strong suspicion. We come upon the chanting cultists in the dark. Knock out a sentry with powerful rockem-sockem blows, then sneak up on the ritual in the swamp clearing. We see the cultists dancing around, looking like a bunch of, you know, freaky cultists, and the leader has a knife. So one of the team (not me), shoots him. No warning, nobody in immanent danger, no self defense, no defense of others. Just assassination. And it's not like the characters had ever seen anything Mythos-oriented at all. Well, the 2 other guys figure what the hell and open fire, too, since some of the other cultists are armed. My character is yelling "Hold fire! What the hell are you doing!?!" while they proceed to execute the whole gang. Some of the cultists try to flee, they get shot in the back. We search around, and yes, the missing girl is in a cage over to one side (and no, nobody could see she was there). She was drugged so we didn't have to worry about her testimony. But we had basically murdered a bunch of people because we thought they looked like dangerous weirdos. Now, if we'd known what they were trying to summon, that might have been justified. But I just couldn't convince the others that what we'd done was wrong. Anyway, no witnesses (and I wasn't going to sell out my partners--hey, my character was no saint, either), so we made up a good enough story and got away with it, after a lot of grilling. As you can imagine, after a start like that, it just got worse with every adventure. I felt like Scully, only I was harping on the side of following procedure, while the "Mulders" were convinced that, since they belonged to the ultra-hush-hush branch, they could do anything they wanted. Needless to say, they soon ran up against a wall of reality and got ripped pretty badly. The Keeper set them up so that the obvious baddies had actually done nothing other than some minor hate crimes (misdemeanor level), while the apparent victims were the ones summoning monsters from beyond. Thank goodness I was elsewhere when they tried to massacre the neo-Nazi punks and were themselves arrested for murder. I avoided that by somehow ending up naked in Stonehenge (the adventure had been set in Arizona). We never did figure out how I got home (no passport, too, and the British cops were convinced I was some brain-fried druid), or how the trial turned out for the other guys; the campaign folded about that time. Be seeing you, David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:46:03 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Joseph Ellis Subject: Re: DG: New Delta Green WW2 supplements wanted please 'Lo All.`, Just in case anyone missed it. Chaosium are doing a WW2 scenario pack called 'No man's Land', apparently set in the Ardennes forest or something. Check www.chaosium.com for details. Apparently a squad of soldiers get lost in this wood filled with Mythos beasties. I can just imagine taking on a Dark Young with a flamethrower! (g) ....."The trees, the trees, they are moving!! Aargh! dont point that at me!..." SJE "Sometimes I think that war is God's way of teaching us Geography." -Stephen Fry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:57:35 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Joseph Ellis Subject: Re: DG: DG Concentration Camps. For some more information on Concentration camps in the US, try subscribing to the newsgroup misc.activism.militia to find some of the most extreme conspiracy views on the planet. Certain members of the newsgroup are convinced that the federal government has already started re-equipping concentration camps for use against US civillians and are training the Armys in running them. Very scary people. SJE "Sometimes I think that war is God's way of teaching us Geography." -Stephen Fry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:00:56 -0700 From: pkapera@juno.com Subject: Re: DG: 1950's ideas (was: Delta Green: WW2-style] > Of course, I loved Crime Story (no other series has >literally >nuked the villain in the season-ending cliffhanger). Remember "Sledge Hammer"? - P. Controlled chaos is cool. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:15:39 -0700 From: pkapera@juno.com Subject: Re: DG: New Delta Green WW2 supplements wanted please > Just in case anyone missed it. Chaosium are doing a WW2 >scenario >pack called 'No man's Land', apparently set in the Ardennes forest or >something. Check www.chaosium.com for details. I was under the impression that this was set in WWI, which could be even cooler (trenches and stick-grenades!). - P. Controlled chaos is cool. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:01:50 GMT0BST From: Robert Thomas Subject: Re: DG: 1950's ideas (was: Delta Green: WW2-style] > Remember "Sledge Hammer"? > > - P. > > HAMMMER!!! Wow I thought I was the only one who watched that at 2 in the morning! Rob. J.R.E.Thomas. Science Library PC Room Advisor ext 6135 / 5128. MScII City and Regional Planning Student. ThomasR@cardiff.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:04:13 GMT0BST From: Robert Thomas Subject: Re: DG: New Delta Green WW2 supplements wanted please > 'Lo All.`, > > Just in case anyone missed it. Chaosium are doing a WW2 scenario > pack called 'No man's Land', apparently set in the Ardennes forest or > something. Check www.chaosium.com for details. > Apparently a squad of soldiers get lost in this wood filled with > Mythos beasties. I can just imagine taking on a Dark Young with a > flamethrower! (g) ....."The trees, the trees, they are moving!! Aargh! > dont point that at me!..." > > > SJE > > > > "Sometimes I think that war is God's way of teaching us Geography." > > -Stephen Fry Hello All, I thought this was a First World War Setting, as the Ardennes saw some heavy fighting in WW1. Of course it saw some heavey fighting in WW2 as well but is known historically mor for the first than the second World War. Rob J.R.E.Thomas. Science Library PC Room Advisor ext 6135 / 5128. MScII City and Regional Planning Student. ThomasR@cardiff.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:04:48 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Joseph Ellis Subject: Re: DG: New Delta Green WW2 supplements wanted please You are quite correct Rob, my apologies for not being awake today. I was thinking of the Germans going through the Ardennes and bypassing the French Maginot Line in WW2. Still, infantry warfare hasnt really changed, its still running around and trying to find cover. In WW2 they just didnt stay in trenches for 90% of the time. SJE "Sometimes I think that war is God's way of teaching us Geography." -Stephen Fry On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Robert Thomas wrote: > > 'Lo All.`, > > > > Just in case anyone missed it. Chaosium are doing a WW2 scenario > > pack called 'No man's Land', apparently set in the Ardennes forest or > > something. Check www.chaosium.com for details. > > Apparently a squad of soldiers get lost in this wood filled with > > Mythos beasties. I can just imagine taking on a Dark Young with a > > flamethrower! (g) ....."The trees, the trees, they are moving!! Aargh! > > dont point that at me!..." > > > > > > SJE > > > > > > > > "Sometimes I think that war is God's way of teaching us Geography." > > > > -Stephen Fry > > Hello All, > > I thought this was a First World War Setting, as the Ardennes saw > some heavy fighting in WW1. Of course it saw some heavey fighting in > WW2 as well but is known historically mor for the first than the > second World War. > > Rob > > > J.R.E.Thomas. > Science Library PC Room Advisor ext 6135 / 5128. > MScII City and Regional Planning Student. > ThomasR@cardiff.ac.uk > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:06:03 EDT From: CroakerJr@aol.com Subject: DG: werewoof In a message dated 98-07-17 00:06:07 EDT, you write: << Now then... also speaking of werewolves, one of the PCs in my Delta Green game was bitten by a werewolf (the wolf-type) and infected... and wants to try to learn how to control the change. Any thoughts on how to proceed? I have a few ideas, but want to see if anyone's dealt with it before. >> I'm kind of a traditionalist: My advice would be, don't allow any control at all by a still-sane character. You should allow the player to THINK there is a way to control it, IMO, with hints from musty old books and werewolf hippy cultists that there's a spell in an even mustier old book, etc. etc.... with the bottom line being that the technique to attain control of the condition (maybe requiring communion with Shub, whom the werewolf hippy cultists call Gaia, of course) and the results are far worse than the condition itself, turning the character into a full-fledged cultist revelling in the glory of blood and all that stuff. I mean, let's do some horror here... ;-) Shane Ivey http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6580/dg.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:48:36 -0400 From: "Eric Brennan" Subject: Re: Golden Age of Piracy in the Old West? (was: Re: DG: Delta Green, WW2-style (Skorzini)) Actually, I meant I'm vaguely familiar with are the Golden Age of Piracy _on_ the Old West. It was a mighty ship under Queen Elizabeth, piloted at one point by the undefeatable Capt. Twain. (Eek...too much Castle Falkenstein talk last night, and you get your anachronisms all messed up.) I knew I'd get in trouble on this list for typing too fast. And besides, Pirates in the Old West was good enough for an episode of Brisco County.... Arrr, Mateys! Agent WALLACE aka Eric Brennan aka Bartholemew Roberts, the Dread Pirate Captain of the Great Ship Revenge - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Layne To: deltagreen@nocturne.org Cc: thesadist@earth1.net ; Emalphia@hotmail.com Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 11:41 PM Subject: Golden Age of Piracy in the Old West? (was: Re: DG: Delta Green, WW2-style (Skorzini)) > >On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:16:36 -0400 "Eric Brennan" >writes: > >> Actually, I've never heard of these guys, but would be interested >>in >>hearing more. (My area of history isn't the Second World War, more >>like >>Golden Age of Piracy, old West.) >> Sincerely >> Agent WALLACE >> aka Eric Brennan >> > Sounds like Agent WALLACE is talking about the Golden Age of Piracy in >the Old West... > > Things are quiet -- too quiet.... > > Suddenly, a stagecoach pulls up in front of the bank, in the >Western town. A 5-pounder swivel-gun is mounted atop the coach, tended >by a pair of scruffy-looking characters who would be more at home on the >gundeck of a sloop of war than a stagecoach. From a mast just aft of >the cannon, the Jolly Roger flutters in the breeze. > > The door of the coach opens, and out leaps a scruffy-looking >bearded man with an eyepatch. A parrot is perched on one shoulder, and >he carries a cutlass in one hand, and a LeMat revolver in the other. > > He announces to the astounded bank teller: > > "Avast there, matey! Strike yer colors or I'll scuttle ye! >Surrender your money and prepare to be boarded! Arrr...." > > Well, actually this sounds more suited to _Deadlands_ than Delta >Green... Hmm... A Deadlands-CoC crossover? (Well, Pinnacle and White >Wolf are doing that three-part Deadlands/Werewolf crossover...) :) > > >Michael >theherald@juno.com > >"Well, if you're a pirate, you only have to know two letters of the >alphabet: "Aye!" and "Arr!"..." > ---- Lord Michael Langley of RIversmeet > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:08:03 -0400 From: "Eric Brennan" Subject: DG: Mo' Concentration Camps/Rex-84 stuff Just found this at http://www.techmgmt.com/restore/concamps.htm. I use Web Ferret to search all of the Search Engines out there and it gathered 500 hits before it stopped. It talks a bit about what I've been discussing at the bottom... Be Seeing You, Agent WALLACE aka Eric Brennan CIVILIAN INTERNMENT CAMPS UP FOR REVIEW In a revealing admission the Director of Resource Management for the U.S. Army confirmed the validity of a memorandum relating to the establishment of a civilian inmate labor program under development by the Department of the Army. The document states, "Enclosed for your review and comment is the draft Army regulation on civilian inmate labor utilization" and the procedure to "establish civilian prison camps on installations." Cherith Chronicle, June 1997. Civilian internment camps or prison camps, more commonly known as concentration camps, have been the subject of much rumor and speculation during the past few years in America. Several publications have devoted space to the topic and many talk radio programs have dealt with the issue. However, Congressman Henry Gonzales (D, Texas) clarified the question of the existence of civilian detention camps. In an interview the congressman stated, "the truth is yes - you do have these stand by provisions, and the plans are here...whereby you could, in the name of stopping terrorism...evoke the military and arrest Americans and put them in detention camps." HISTORY OF CIVILIAN INTERNMENT CAMPS The concept of mass internment camps was implemented during the decade of the 1930's when the idea was either integrated into national security planning or put to actual use in the world's three socialistic experiments - the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and the United States under Roosevelt. On March 9, 1933, Adolph Hitler put his Dachau detention center into operation where thousands of his own countrymen were sent. (Source: Martin Gilber,The Holocaust). Stalin exterminated 7 to 10 million in his rural collectivization program from 1931-1933 and another 10 million in the purges of 1934-1939. It was this decade that the Soviet Gulag proved its worth. On August 24, 1939, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover met with FDR to develop a detention plan for the United States. Five months after this meeting, Hitler opened the Auschwitz detention center in Poland. On August 3, 1948, J. Edgar Hoover met with Attorney General J. Howard McGrath to form a plan whereby President Truman could suspend constitutional liberties during a national emergency. The plan was code-named "Security Portfolio" and, when activated, it would authorize the FBI to summarily arrest up to 20,000 persons and place them in national security detention camps. Prisoners would not have the right to a court hearing or habeas corpus appeal. Meanwhile, "Security Portfolio" allowed the FBI to develop a watch list of those who would be detained, as well as detailed information on their physical appearance, family, place of work, etc. (David Burnham, Above the Law). Two years later Congress approved the Internal Security Act of 1950 which contained a provision authorizing an emergency detention plan. Hoover was unhappy with this law because it did not suspend the constitution and it guaranteed the right to a court hearing (habeas corpus). "For two years, while the FBI continued to secretly establish the detention camps and work out detailed seizure plans for thousands of individuals, Hoover kept badgering...[Attorney General McGrath for] official permission to ignore the 1950 law and carry on with the more ferocious 1948 program. On November 25, 1952, the attorney general...caved in to Hoover." ibid. Congress repealed the Emergency Detention Act of 1950 more than twenty years later in 1971. Seemingly the threat of civilian internment in the United States was over, but not in reality. The Senate held hearings in December, 1975, revealing the ongoing internment plan which had never been terminated. The report, entitled, "Intelligence Activities, Senate Resolution 21", disclosed the covert agenda. In a series of documents, memos and testimony by government informants, the picture emerged of the designs by the federal government to monitor, infiltrate, arrest and incarcerate a potentially large segment of American society. The Senate report also revealed the existence of the Master Search Warrant (MSW) and the Master Arrest Warrant (MAW) which are currently in force. The MAW document, authorized by the United States Attorney General, directs the head of the FBI to: "Arrest persons whom I deem dangerous to the public peace and safety. These persons are to be detained and confined until further order." The MSW also instructs the FBI Director to "search certain premises where it is believed that there may be found contraband, prohibited articles, or other materials in violation of the Proclamation of the President of the United States." It includes such items as firearms, shortwave radio receiving sets, cameras, propaganda materials, printing presses, mimeograph machines, membership and financial records of organizations or groups that have been declared subversive, or may be hereafter declared subversive by the Attorney General." Since the Senate hearings in 1975, the steady development of highly specialized surveillance capabilities, combined with the exploding computerized information technologies, have enabled a massive data base of personal information to be developed on millions of unsuspecting American citizens. It is all in place awaiting only a presidential declaration to be enforced by both military and civilian police. In 1982, President Ronald Reagan issued National Security Directive 58 which empowered Robert McFarlane and Oliver North to use the National Security Council to secretly retrofit FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) to manage the country during a national crisis. The 1984 "REX exercises" simulated civil unrest culminating in a national emergency with a contingency plan for the imprisonment of 400,000 people. REX 84 was so secretive that special metal security doors were installed on the FEMA building's fifth floor, and even long-term officials of the Civil Defense Office were prohibited entry. The ostensible purpose of this exercise was to handle an influx of refugees created by a war in Central America, but a more realistic scenario was the detention of American citizens. STATE OF EMERGENCY Under "REX" the President could declare a state of emergency, empowering the head of FEMA to take control of the internal infrastructure of the United States and suspend the constitution. The President could invoke executive orders 11000 thru 11004 which would: 1- Draft all citizens into work forces under government supervision. 2- Empower the postmaster to register all men, women and children. 3- Seize all airports and aircraft. 4- Seize all housing and establish forced relocation of citizens. FEMA, whose black budget comes from the Department of Defense, has worked closely with the Pentagon in an effort to avoid the legal restrictions of Posse Comitatus. While FEMA may not have been directly responsible for these precedent-setting cases, the principle of federal control was seen during the Los Angeles riots in 1992 with the federalization of the National Guard and during the siege at Waco, where Army tanks equipped with flame throwers were involved in the final conflagration. GOVERNMENT VIOLENCE IS "LEGITIMATE"? The Deputy Attorney General of California commented at a conference that anyone who attacks the State, even verbally, becomes a revolutionary and an enemy by definition. Louis Guiffreda, who was head of FEMA, stated that "legitimate violence is integral to our form of government, for it is from this source that we can continue to purge our weaknesses." It is significant to note that the dictionary definition of terrorism - "the calculated use of violence" - corresponds precisely to the government's stated policy of "the use of legitimate violence." One might ask, who are the real terrorists? Guiffreda's remark gives a revealing insight into the thinking of those who have been charged with oversight of the welfare of the citizens in this country. If one's convictions or philosophy does not correspond with the government's agenda, that individual may find himself on the government's enemy list. This makes him a "target" to be "purged" by the use of "legitimate violence." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:14:17 -0400 From: "Randall L. Orndorff" Subject: Re: DG: When gaming goes bad Jay and Mikiko Noyes wrote: > > >On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Those satanic bastards wrote: > > > >> >(1) It's AD&D *shudder* > >> > >> Whats wrong with AD&D? > > > >Don't you watch the 700 Club? AD&D is the tool of the devil, the Great > >Satan! > > I often wonder what they would think of CoC or, worse, Kult. > > The 700 Club, tool of Nyarlathotep? > > Jay They want you to read CoC. Again and again. In fact, they want you to speak some of those wierd names on nights when the moon is dark, and blasphemous whisperings fill the air. Don't you worry though, cause they are just biblical words, like Jacob, or maybe Abhoth;) -Randall L. Orndorff Servant of the Destroyer since 1983 - -- Eat the Rich. The Poor are Tough and Stringy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:24:16 +0000 From: "John P. Yuda" Subject: Re: DG: DG Concentration Camps. > shipped around Montana's hinterlands (ie, anywhere outside of the "major" > cities ). Montana has major cities? Wow, I'm out of the loop... Yuda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:32:58 -0400 From: "John C. Detwiler" Subject: Re: DG: New Delta Green WW2 supplements wanted please >Just in case anyone missed it. Chaosium are doing a WW2 scenario >pack called 'No man's Land' Actually it's set in WWI. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:38:11 -0400 From: "John C. Detwiler" Subject: Re: DG: DG Concentration Camps. I seem to remember seeing a documentary some years ago detailing how during the '50s and '60s (IIRC) the US and Canadian governments were taking retarded people and others deemed 'unfit' and putting them in institutions where they were sterilized. This was to keep them from breeding and perpetuating their 'defects'. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:43:34 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Joseph Ellis Subject: Re: DG: Mo' Concentration Camps/Rex-84 stuff Just as a point of history, the article in Agent Brenan's email is slightly incorrect. It was actually us Brits who invented Concentration camps. They were used in the Boer War at the turn of the century. The reason for this, was that the Boers were acting like guerrila's and attacking in hit and run raids, then hiding with the rest of the population. So we put the rest of civillian population in concentration camps and cut off their support. Imperialism at its best. We also laid down huge swathes of barbed wire across the South African savannah in a grid formation. At each intersection, there was a manned bunker. The idea was to cut off the Boers mobility (they typically used horses) across country. And it worked. (Sort of.) A fascinating period, but more 1890's Coc, than DG. SJE "Sometimes I think that war is God's way of teaching us Geography." -Stephen Fry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:52:57 -0400 From: "Randall L. Orndorff" Subject: Re: DG: DG Concentration Camps. John C. Detwiler wrote: > > I seem to remember seeing a documentary some years ago detailing how during > the '50s and '60s (IIRC) the US and Canadian governments were taking > retarded people and others deemed 'unfit' and putting them in institutions > where they were sterilized. This was to keep them from breeding and > perpetuating their 'defects'. I seem to recall hearing a report on NPR about that happenning from the '30s until the '70s in Finland (I think it was Finland). Kind of scary. - -- Eat the Rich. The Poor are Tough and Stringy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:15:51 +0200 From: "Fabio Zanicotti" Subject: DG: Interesting books catalogue Greetings !!! Just de-lurking (by the way this list is fab !) to recommend you to visit the following on-line bookshop: http://www.loompanics.com/ I think their books cover many aspects interesting for DG Keepers (see the murder & death section for example..). Hope it's of some interest. FABIO ZANICOTTI Fabio.Zanicotti@italtel.it ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:57:28 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: Mo' Concentration Camps/Rex-84 stuff Greetings. Apparently Eric and me were researching the same topic at the same time... >Just found this at http://www.techmgmt.com/restore/concamps.htm. I use Web >Ferret to search all of the Search Engines out there and it gathered 500 >hits before it stopped. It talks a bit about what I've been discussing at >the bottom... >Be Seeing You, >Agent WALLACE >aka Eric Brennan > > >CIVILIAN INTERNMENT CAMPS UP FOR REVIEW [lomg article snipped] The article sure offers some food for thought, but here's the equivalent of the fortune cookie coming with the bill at the end of the dinner: I couldn't help but noticing that many of the sites coming up on a quick search about "REX-84" (et similia) are made of just this same article, variously formatted, that thus apparently forms the bulk of the Web information available on the topic. Disinformation, anybody? Take care. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:12:04 From: Davide Mana Subject: DG: Camp Concentration Greetings again. All this talk about concentration camps in the USA has reminded me, of course, of the old Thomas Disch novel, "Camp Concentration", about political prisoners in american concentration camps used as guinea pigs for testing bioweapons and more. It is of course a suggested reading. And this also awakened an older and dimmer memory. The late lamented Philip K. Dick once related a funny story about Disch's novel. According to the notoriously paranoid (but brilliant!) Dick, agents from an unknown USA Government outfit contacted him in the '60s, commissioning a SF novel and requiring certain narrative elements and ideas to be inserted in the plot. P.K. Dick refused (and possibly turned even more paranoid) but was shocked to find said "forced passages" in "Camp Concentration" when he read the book years later. Questioned on the subject, Disch dismissed the whole thing and said he was glad to know that the great writer had found the time to peruse his worthless book (or something equally suspicious). This is how I remember it from an old, borrowed copy of Science Fiction Chronicle. Does anyone else recall something about this? Has anyone attemped reading "Camp Concentration" through a Glass from Leng? Take (extreme) care. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:34:39 -0400 From: "Eric Brennan" Subject: Re: DG: DG Concentration Camps. - -----Original Message----- From: Randall L. Orndorff To: Delta Green List Date: Friday, July 17, 1998 9:59 AM Subject: Re: DG: DG Concentration Camps. >John C. Detwiler wrote: >> >> I seem to remember seeing a documentary some years ago detailing how during >> the '50s and '60s (IIRC) the US and Canadian governments were taking >> retarded people and others deemed 'unfit' and putting them in institutions >> where they were sterilized. This was to keep them from breeding and >> perpetuating their 'defects'. > > I seem to recall hearing a report on NPR about that happenning from the >'30s until the '70s in Finland (I think it was Finland). Kind of scary. Eugenics (which the above atrocities were committed in the name of) is still quite a nasty bit of business even today. Although the sterilization of the mentally "unfit" (in which category the State of California included alcoholics) is a thing of the past for now, the current aims of the Eugenics movement seem to be scientifically proving that blacks and minorities are for some reason "different" and "less" than good 'ole white folks. Enough real scientific "think-tanks" are eating up private and government funds while trying to prove that, it's scary. They'll use terms like heredity and try to link race to job performance, but it's mainly an excuse for shallow science that doesn't take into account things like environment and quality of education. (You take a kid out of DC, which has the worst schools in the nation, and see how well he scores on the SAT. Is it because he didn't get taught the info, or genetics? Go to school in DC and then ask yourself that.) My DG gm's current campaign has a company with it's roots in the concentration camps trying to build a better person. I wish it was far-fetched. I find this entire vogue of "genetic predestination," with everything being writ in the DNA like some organic astrological chart, as being yet another symptom of the average American's attempt to throw off personal responsibility. Yeah, DNA does have a bit to do with it... Anyway, off the soapbox. I could alienate eveybody on this list with my venom, and I haven't even hit on the pirates robbing that Western Union coach... Be Seeing You, Agent WALLACE aka Eric Brennan ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V1 #71 *******************************