From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V1 #78 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Thursday, July 23 1998 Volume 01 : Number 078 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:08:45 -0700 From: John Michael Alldredge Subject: Re: DG: D. Skies etc At 12:38 AM 7/23/98 +0900, you wrote: >>a laugh. I saw "The Mouth of Madness" recently: clear Lovecraft >>influences but essentially a load of rubbish, are there any decent >>Cthulu inspired films/tv? > >Check out "The Resurrected", based on "The xxxx Case of Charles Dexter Ward" >(I can't remember the exact title offhand). It's the closest movie >representation fo a Mythos investigation I've ever scene. 90% of the movie >is research, the rest is "Scream...Bang! Bang! ohshit... scream... gurgle." >The scene in which there investigating the cellar with flashlights is >particularly effective. Check it out. *****And of course there is "Reanimator" and "Bride of Reanimator" based on the Lovecraft story "Herbert West: Reanimator"***** >Jay >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--------- > >Stercus, stercus, stercus, moriturus sum > > Terry Pratchett, "Interesting Times" >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--------- > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:39:56 -0700 From: Christian Conkle Subject: RE: DG: D. Skies etc Speaking of Lovecraft Movies, I'm fortunate that I live in Portland, Oregon, home of the annual Lovecraft Film Festival. Each October we are treated to a collection of the best short films and one long film. Some of the most faithful are the short ones, including "The Outsider" by some film-maker from Chicago with whom I got drunk with afterwards, "The Music of Erich Zann" which was perfectly done (almost word for word). The first year I got to meet and speak to Jeffrey Combs, star of "The Reanimator", "Necronomicon", "The Outsider" and now Weyoun on "DS9". The second year I got to meet those wonderful guys from Pagan and The Darkest of Hillside Thickets (great band!). The first year was screened "The Necronomicon" before it was released to video. It was pretty good, I thought. It was a collection of vignettes, much like Twilight Zone the movie. Some are very well done, some are little more than quesey gore-fests, but Jeffrey Combs plays a GREAT Lovecraft. Apparently, he fought hard to keep Lovecraft closer to the actual person when the director wanted an action-oriented Indiana Jones-type of HPL. Jeffrey said "Wait! No! He's a weak man who's very bookish and sophisticated" and although SOME compromises had to be made (HPL with a sword-cane?), he did a pretty good job nonetheless. The second year we screened "Army of Darkness" which is arguably the FUNNIEST Mythos-related (vaguely) movie ever made. - ----------------------------------------------------- Christian Conkle Web Development Specialist Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory work: conklec@nwrel.org home: conkle@europa.com - ----------------------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: John Michael Alldredge [SMTP:kingmob@mindspring.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 9:09 AM > To: Delta Green List > Subject: Re: DG: D. Skies etc > > At 12:38 AM 7/23/98 +0900, you wrote: > >>a laugh. I saw "The Mouth of Madness" recently: clear Lovecraft > >>influences but essentially a load of rubbish, are there any decent > >>Cthulu inspired films/tv? > > > >Check out "The Resurrected", based on "The xxxx Case of Charles Dexter > Ward" > >(I can't remember the exact title offhand). It's the closest movie > >representation fo a Mythos investigation I've ever scene. 90% of the > movie > >is research, the rest is "Scream...Bang! Bang! ohshit... scream... > gurgle." > >The scene in which there investigating the cellar with flashlights is > >particularly effective. Check it out. > > *****And of course there is "Reanimator" and "Bride of Reanimator" based > on > the Lovecraft story "Herbert West: Reanimator"***** > >Jay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > >--------- > > > >Stercus, stercus, stercus, moriturus sum > > > > Terry Pratchett, "Interesting Times" > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > >--------- > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:56:36 EDT From: Imandos@aol.com Subject: DG: D. Skies etc Mark Winkelmann asked: > I saw "The Mouth of Madness" recently: clear Lovecraft >influences but essentially a load of rubbish, are there any decent >Cthulu inspired films/tv? I would recommend "Deep Rising". It won't be out on video until late September. I'm not certain I would call it influenced by Lovecraft, but it is still a fun film that mixes special effects and acting in a way most movies this year have failed to do. Check it out for fun and maybe you'll find some useful ideas for a scenerio. Thomas Woodall Imandos@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:58:13 -0700 From: The Saint of Killers Subject: DG: PBEM game. New to the list. (Yeesh. I left the In Nomine list hoping to join a nice and quiet list that would give me maybe 10 messages a day. I'm an idiot. :P ) I am interested in running a PBEM DG game soon. However, I have no clue how PBEM games are set up and run. As such, I would be strongly interested in JOINING a PBEM game, if any games are currently accepting characters, or if anyone is considering starting up a PBEM game and is looking for a player. Pros: I'm a descent speller (a little joke there) and my grammar isn't so awful you want to shoot yourself. I've had years of descriptive RP experience on MUSHes. Cons: I'm a bit of a bastard. I've been killfiled on agww at least three times. :P (Never go on the group and say "so, WW's latest games have all bombed, why do they bother?" cos people take it real personal-like.) At least I'm honest. Anyone vaguely interested can directly send me mail at stofkillers@earthlink.net, thus avoiding spamming the poor DG groupies. SoK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:44:31 EDT From: Dhl9@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: D. Skies etc I am sure that all of you saw the HBO movie "Cast a Deadly Spell". It got a little away from pure Lovecraft horror but stayed with the mythos and had the feel of a Lovecraft story. HBO made a sequel but it stink up the joint. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:05:59 -0700 From: paposehn@juno.com (Phil A Posehn) Subject: Re: DG: D. Skies etc On Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:44:31 EDT Dhl9@aol.com writes: >I am sure that all of you saw the HBO movie "Cast a Deadly Spell". It >got a >little away from pure Lovecraft horror but stayed with the mythos and >had the >feel of a Lovecraft story. HBO made a sequel but it stink up the >joint. > I beg to differ. The sequel wasn't a Mythos movie granted, but it was a nice political satire which is something even harder to find than a good HPL film! Phil _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:11:22 -0700 From: Scott Cleverdon Subject: DG: New CoC Just got the new rulebook. The new sanity section doesn't change the rules as such but instead goes into much greater detail about insanities, psychosis etc. and does it in a much more adult way. Shame, it looks as though they've lost the great font that they used for the title. Doesn't feel the same somehow. Apart from that it looks jam packed full of goodies. regards Scott Cleverdon, Mercenary of the Occult-thought for the day: "Just when you think you're being too paranoid... you're not being paranoid enough." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:31:10 +0200 From: "Florian Hanke" Subject: DG: useful documents (CIA, FBI) If you need scenario ideas or realistic looking docs, why not go and have a look at CIA and the FBI? Of course, many things (bay of pigs, etc..) have been left out at the CIA: http://www.odci.gov/cia/ciahome.html take a look at the kids page - strange The FBI too has many pdf files to use to add "realism" to your scenarios http://www.fbi.gov/ especially these pages, where (of course) almost everything has been marked as "bogus" http://www.fbi.gov/foipa/ufo.htm MJ-12, Cattle Mutilations and the like... With so many times "FBI" and "CIA" on this mail - I'll be on the black list by tommorow ;) Regards Florian Hanke ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:32:30 EDT From: CroakerJr@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: D. Skies etc In a message dated 98-07-22 12:44:29 EDT, you write: << Speaking of Lovecraft Movies, I'm fortunate that I live in Portland, Oregon >> You sure are fortunate! I love Portland. BTW, Mr. Conkle, the character drawings on your site are terrific. And they made me wonder: Just how much begging/pleading/blackmail would it take to get you to do some sketches for other cells or agents? :-) Any chance at all...? Shane Ivey http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6580/dg.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:04:12 -0700 From: Christian Conkle Subject: DG: RE: useful documents (CIA, FBI) Aargh! What's the SAN loss on the CIA kid's page? I have viewed the awful monstrosity Harry Recon, the Aerial Photography Pigeon and failed my SAN check!! The Horror! The Horror! - ----------------------------------------------------- Christian Conkle Web Development Specialist Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory work: conklec@nwrel.org home: conkle@europa.com - ----------------------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Florian Hanke [SMTP:fhanke@jetnet.ch] > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 3:31 PM > To: Delta Green List > Subject: DG: useful documents (CIA, FBI) > > If you need scenario ideas or realistic looking docs, > why not go and have a look at CIA and the FBI? > > Of course, many things (bay of pigs, etc..) have been left out at the CIA: > http://www.odci.gov/cia/ciahome.html > take a look at the kids page - strange > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:20:09 +0200 From: "Florian Hanke" Subject: Re: DG: Alien insects (was: Just a small question) - --------------15A2D5E614493C0D1CEE1FB2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Davide Mana wrote: > As for the dominance of insectoid critters in this kind of > experiments/projections, the reasons can be various. > Insects are the largest animal group in our world, after all, so the > starting parameters in the simulation might be biased in this sense. > Their structure is also easier to simulate than a more complex being (they > are made of less "building blocks"). > And they are pretty efficient. I can just nod in agreement. btw the simulation I was talking of at the beginning was just about non-intelligent lifeforms (as far as we define intelligence). The insects seem to have come out best because of their capabilities of resisting high pressure andhigh radiation without much genetic damage, and if there was some, good adaptility rate, their high reproductive rate, efficient energy converting, tough exosceleton, ... >Also - and sorry if this sounds cynical - they certainly look alien and >creepy, and so are considered better for a TV broadcast than, let's say, >salmon-like alien life forms. The guy that decides what goes on air prefers >to show you something spectacular. Of course this was one of the reasons, because I think the bacillae would have come out best, withstanding the roughest at least here on earth, temperatures ranging from -80 Celsius, up to temperatures found on/in volcanoes (yes, there have been found some) and lots of other reasons... As for intelligent lifeforms: There are many different opinions on this, because first has to be settled, what intelligence is. Humans usually consider toolmaking (which was one reason, human life survived, otherwise probably - bye bye!), language (written, spoken), among other things as intelligent... Taking this as a standard, the outcome of a intelligent race tends to be ... human(-oid) Now - I don't know what could be taken as standard, so I start with this one What is needed for toolmaking - some well developed organ to do the thing, humansoids have hands, with insects/squids/other lifeforms there seems to be a problem, but given a few more million years undisturbed, what would have been the outcome? There exist e. g. a beetle which uses pieces of wood as tools... As for communication: Many possibilities exist in wildlife, many other forms are possible, think of it! Ranges from changing colors to lowfrequency communication and so on... Some years ago a scientist taught a gorilla how to communicate in a new language with her, I always asked myself what would happen if you taught a whole tribe of gorillas, would they just forget....? or would they use it? I think so... Can you think of other standards for intelligence?? Does anyone know "Sim Earth" or was it called "Sim Life"? It was always fun seeing dolphins evolve and kick the apes up their trees! So, as Davide Mana already said, humanoids are not the preferred outcome of evolution, not even here on earth. Regards Florian Hanke - --------------15A2D5E614493C0D1CEE1FB2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Davide Mana wrote:

<lots of text>

As for the dominance of insectoid critters in this kind of
experiments/projections, the reasons can be various.
Insects are the largest animal group in our world, after all, so the
starting parameters in the simulation might be biased in this sense.
Their structure is also easier to simulate than a more complex being (they
are made of less "building blocks").
And they are pretty efficient.
    I can just nod in agreement. btw the simulation I was talking of at the beginning was just about non-intelligent lifeforms (as far as we define intelligence). The insects seem to have come out best because of their capabilities of resisting high pressure andhigh radiation without much genetic damage, and if there was some, good adaptility rate, their high reproductive rate, efficient energy converting, tough exosceleton, ...

>Also - and sorry if this sounds cynical - they certainly look alien and
>creepy, and so are considered better for a TV broadcast than, let's say,
>salmon-like alien life forms. The guy that decides what goes on air prefers
>to show you something spectacular.

    Of course this was one of the reasons, because I think the bacillae would have come out best, withstanding the roughest at least here on earth, temperatures ranging from -80 Celsius, up to temperatures found on/in volcanoes (yes, there have been found some) and lots of other reasons...

    As for intelligent lifeforms:
There are many different opinions on this, because first has to be settled, what intelligence is. Humans usually consider toolmaking (which was one reason, human life survived, otherwise probably - bye bye!), language (written, spoken), among other things as intelligent... Taking this as a standard, the outcome of a intelligent race tends to be ... human(-oid)

    Now - I don't know what could be taken as standard, so I start with this one
What is needed for toolmaking - some well developed organ to do the thing, humansoids have hands, with insects/squids/other lifeforms there seems to be a problem, but given a few more million years undisturbed, what would have been the outcome? There exist e. g. a beetle which uses pieces of wood as tools...

    As for communication: Many possibilities exist in wildlife, many other forms are possible, think of it! Ranges from changing colors to lowfrequency communication and so on...
Some years ago a scientist taught a gorilla how to communicate in a new language with her, I always asked myself what would happen if you taught a whole tribe of gorillas, would they just forget....? or would they use it? I think so...

Can you think of other standards for intelligence??

Does anyone know "Sim Earth" or was it called "Sim Life"?
It was always fun seeing dolphins evolve and kick the apes up their trees!

So, as Davide Mana already said, humanoids are not the preferred outcome of evolution, not even here on earth.

Regards
Florian Hanke - --------------15A2D5E614493C0D1CEE1FB2-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:36:38 +0200 From: "Florian Hanke" Subject: Re: DG: RE: useful documents (CIA, FBI) - --------------4261634F73090DBEB3621BA6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Christian Conkle wrote: > Aargh! What's the SAN loss on the CIA kid's page? I have viewed the awful > monstrosity Harry Recon, the Aerial Photography Pigeon and failed my SAN > check!! The Horror! The Horror! Scream! Too bad Harry Recon's father has been shot down "winging along side the U-2 as it gathered overhead pictures" over russia... I'd say at least 1D6/3D6 ... Florian Hanke - --------------4261634F73090DBEB3621BA6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Christian Conkle wrote:

Aargh! What's the SAN loss on the CIA kid's page?  I have viewed the awful
monstrosity Harry Recon, the Aerial Photography Pigeon and failed my SAN
check!!  The Horror! The Horror!
Scream! Too bad Harry Recon's father has been shot down "winging along side the U-2 as it gathered overhead pictures" over russia...
I'd say at least 1D6/3D6 ...

Florian Hanke - --------------4261634F73090DBEB3621BA6-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:51:56 -0500 From: "Charles Baucum Jr." Subject: Re: DG: Babylon 5/Lovecraft Mythos - ---------- > think: (crap, can't remember the name of the movie...) > Last year, a movie came out that was about a ship that was lost, > and it turned up around neptune or something, and it was > a chessy horror movie... well, > something along those lines might work. > > Sorry for being so vauge... but summer vacation has sucked > my brain.. (or was that the Mi-Go I ran into last night..) > > Agent Dyson > over and out............ Was it _Event Horizon_? Charles O. Baucum Jr. Mortuus non est quod in aeternum insiditur et aetate ignota mors ipsas finiretur cobaucum@meta3.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:57:03 -0500 From: "Charles Baucum Jr." Subject: Re: DG: Babylon 5/Lovecraft Mythos - ---------- > From: POOH@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU > To: deltagreen@nocturne.org > Subject: Re: DG: Babylon 5/Lovecraft Mythos > Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 4:49 AM > > One of the best Lovecraftian SciFi movies isn't really space faring, but is a great load of fun... Split Second, with Rutger Hauer. > > Rutger Hauer is a cop, investigating... Something Nasty. The SAN loss his new partner obviously takes through the movie is a delight... > > -Will > (And a load of great lines) Check out _In the Mouth of Madness_ by John Carpenter. Very creepy and a few Lovecraft references tossed about. Charles O. Baucum Jr. Mortuus non est quod in aeternum insiditur et aetate ignota mors ipsas finiretur cobaucum@meta3.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:08:33 -0500 From: "Charles Baucum Jr." Subject: Re: DG: Babylon 5/Lovecraft Mythos > > What about In The Mouth of Madness -- the most mythos movie in years. > > Prototypical Lovecraft protagonist: Sam Neill as Insurance Fraud > Investigator > > Stereotypical Lovecraft antagonist: Evil tome and its evil author. > > Tribute to Lovecraft: Opening scene set in sanitarium. > > Honestly, despite its weak points (skips character for momentum and > assumes a general audience paranoia), it stands in my mind as the best > Carpenter film since The Thing, which is, in fact, a brilliant honorary > of Lovecraft's lessons: paranoia will destroy us all, but not before the > alien shapeshifter thingy gets most of us first. > > Please, see both movies. > > Call me Lech. Let's not forget the Pickman place and the New England setting! Charles O. Baucum Jr. Mortuus non est quod in aeternum insiditur et aetate ignota mors ipsas finiretur cobaucum@meta3.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:25:09 -0400 From: "Walter B. Haight" Subject: Re: DG: Alien insects (was: Just a small question) At 04:50 PM 7/22/98, you wrote: > >Chance plays a significative part in evolution. >Probably more than we'd like. >This means that we have to leeave behind our humanocentric attitude (like >HPL did when he wrote his stories, btw) and look at the whole biz in a >dispassionate, scientific way. >A "successfull" species is the one that is best at negotiating both case >and necessity, making the best of what it's got. If you survive and >reproduce, you're a certified success by evolutionary standards - all the >rest is accessory. To say nothing of alien beings based on chemicals other than carbon. Truly alien life may not even be recognizable as a life form to us. Consider, fire could be a form of life ( with a stretch ), or be the basis for some form of life ( but again, thats carbon ). Or perhaps alien life could look to us as nothing more than a chemical reaction ( like fire ). Maybe some aliens see us as nothing more than an uninteresting chemical reaction that needs extinguishing. ( Maybe a big tentacle-headed one? ) Milk and Cookies Aaron Litz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:31:27 -0400 From: "Walter B. Haight" Subject: Re: DG: useful documents (CIA, FBI) At 12:31 AM 7/23/98 +0200, you wrote: >If you need scenario ideas or realistic looking docs, >why not go and have a look at CIA and the FBI? > I've gotten several things of the NSA website, and every time I do something weird happens to my computer, like freezing up, or spontaneousley booting me of the Internet. Milk and Cookies Aaron Litz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:01:31 EDT From: theherald@juno.com (Michael Layne) Subject: DG: Re: useful documents (CIA, FBI) On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:36:38 +0200 "Florian Hanke" writes: > >--------------4261634F73090DBEB3621BA6 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > >Christian Conkle wrote: > >> Aargh! What's the SAN loss on the CIA kid's page? I have viewed the >awful >> monstrosity Harry Recon, the Aerial Photography Pigeon and failed my >SAN >> check!! The Horror! The Horror! > >Scream! Too bad Harry Recon's father has been shot down "winging along >side the >U-2 as it gathered overhead pictures" over russia... >I'd say at least 1D6/3D6 ... > >Florian Hanke Well, now we know what the replacement for the Blackbird is! And I was hoping it would be the Aurora! :) Michael theherald@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:01:31 EDT From: theherald@juno.com (Michael Layne) Subject: DG: USN SmartShip Computer Problems (was Re: Nationality, journalism and chain letters.) On Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:12:26 -0700 Joseph Camp writes: >>David, it's been done -- it's called Microsoft Internet Explorer. > >Curious you should mention this in the context of evil viruses and >computer mayhem; I'd just read the following article online: > >http://www.gcn.com/gcn/1998/July13/cov2.htm > >In a nutshell, the U.S. Navy is testing a so-called "Smart Ships" plan >in >which two computers running Windows NT deal with ship's navigation, >propulsion, and other tasks, allowing the Navy to reduce crew by 10%. >The >pilot program is on the USS Yorktown. As the link above will show, >things >aren't quite going according to plan. > >be seeing you, >Alphonse > And I was considering using the "Yorktown" in a DG scenario involving the Bermuda Triangle... Well, maybe I still can -- the US Navy's official position on the difficulties seems to be that they are "teething troubles" normal to the implementation of a new system, and that Mr. DiGiorgo has blown the problems out of proportion. (Yes, the "Yorktown" uses Windows NT -- against the advice of some experts who recommended Unix -- and that may be a major part of the problem right there! $863 M worth of Aegis cruiser, armed with the best guns, radar, and missiles, and it uses a Microsoft system!!) Even with the computer problems, the "Yorktown in the Bermuda Triangle" scenario may have possibilities... :) Scene: CIC of CG-48, which has passed through the Bermuda Triangle into... The Twilight Zone... (sorry, Rod!):) Combat System Officer: "It's no use, Captain, the firecontrol system has crashed again!" CO: "Well, if we don't provide some fire support _soon_ for those investigators on the island, they'll be monster chow!" CIC Officer: "It's nae use, Cap'n! Everry time Ah trry tae brring up the firrecontrrol rroutines, the bluidy mathom gives me anotherr GPF! Ah told ye we should have gone wie Unix! Th' Micrrosoft system cannae take th' strrrain!" Communications Officer: "Sir, after that last GPF, when Scotty rebooted the system, it interfaced with our communications suite and sent off a digital request to Microsoft for online help!" CO: "A lot of good _that_ will do! We're stuck in another dimension!" Communications Officer: "But, Captain! We just received a _reply_ to that request!" CO: "I've got a bad feeling about this..." (Harrison Ford as the Captain, Alex Baldwin as the Communications Officer, Jimmy Doohan as the CIC Officer, and Will Smith as the Combat System Officer...) For another viewpoint on the Smartship Program, look up: http://www.dt.navy.mil/smartship/yorktown.html Also, the USS Yorktown (second Aegis cruiser built) has a homepage at: http://www.spear.navy.mil/ships/cg48. Michael theherald@juno.com "The more expensive a given device is, the further away you will have to send it to get it repaired." ---- Murphy's Laws of Combat Operations (Anon.) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:33:42 -0700 From: Lech Von Oxen Subject: Re: DG: USN SmartShip Computer Problems Michael, Very, very funny. Thank you. Call me Lech Michael Layne wrote: > > Even with the computer problems, the "Yorktown in the Bermuda > Triangle" scenario may have possibilities... :) > > Scene: CIC of CG-48, which has passed through the Bermuda Triangle > into... The Twilight Zone... (sorry, Rod!):) > > Combat System Officer: "It's no use, Captain, the firecontrol system has > crashed again!" > > CO: "Well, if we don't provide some fire support _soon_ for those > investigators on the island, they'll be monster chow!" > > CIC Officer: "It's nae use, Cap'n! Everry time Ah trry tae brring up > the firrecontrrol rroutines, the bluidy mathom gives me anotherr GPF! Ah > told ye we should have gone wie Unix! Th' Micrrosoft system cannae > take th' strrrain!" > > Communications Officer: "Sir, after that last GPF, when Scotty rebooted > the system, it interfaced with our communications suite and sent off a > digital request to Microsoft for online help!" > > CO: "A lot of good _that_ will do! We're stuck in another dimension!" > > Communications Officer: "But, Captain! We just received a _reply_ to > that request!" > > CO: "I've got a bad feeling about this..." > > (Harrison Ford as the Captain, Alex Baldwin as the Communications > Officer, Jimmy Doohan as the CIC Officer, and Will Smith as the Combat > System Officer...) > > For another viewpoint on the Smartship Program, look up: > http://www.dt.navy.mil/smartship/yorktown.html > > Also, the USS Yorktown (second Aegis cruiser built) has a homepage > at: http://www.spear.navy.mil/ships/cg48. > > Michael > theherald@juno.com > > "The more expensive a given device is, the further away you will have to > send it to get it repaired." > ---- Murphy's Laws of Combat Operations (Anon.) > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:58:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Illuminatus Primus Subject: Re: DG: WWII: The Thousand Year Reich - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On the subject of the Karotechia, Hitler, and WWII... http://www.sjmercury.com/breaking/headline2/014068.htm is a good read. Recently de-classified documents from Britain's SOE (Special Operations Executive) detail the plans of an operation, codenamed "Foxley", whose ultimate goal was the assassination of Hitler at a chateau in France. Due to various reasons, the plans were never carried out. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNbbDAMVnIkW8IEjpAQHXEAQAuBDdetRkj80FEivJNp/nks8JQPKW+aEu qWhXDWKeu+7ui2VAZkKv78rWv5g9AV2QyoGNMQFcGJjN9UwBikcZrE8MYqvKKcLe QYCSRGOfv5m+oRnghhA4UK+ec/sgTJS0uPOjrbwwFur1VMMtHHAh6UbI9DfnnJ2p slzOuvs97uw= =Xwfj - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:38:09 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: DG: Alien Evolution and the Correct Stars > >Chance plays a significative part in evolution. > >Probably more than we'd like. Chance is the only factor in evolution. Evolution is defined as a process of natural selection in which less well-adapted creatures die and well-adapted creatures thrive. Many make the mistaken assumption that evolution is directed or has some sort of final goal. This is even suggested in DG what with the Mi-Go directing their own "evolutionary goals." Actual Evolution is random and based on circumstance. However, with the advent of sentience, it becomes possible for species to control their own evolution. This is called Eugenics, and with the rapid advances in biotechnology in human science, the tools (if not the morals) to make it a reality exist. Eugenics has been banned by most (but not all) governments. If Eugenics can provide truly superior individuals, then we will see societies like Brave New World, Gattaca, and Appleseed. I have a short campaign for DG called Children of the Dark Sun that deals somewhat with this theme. As well as stolen nuclear weapons, Artificial Intelligence, and Temporal manipulation. One day I will post the White Paper on the Accelerated Evolution Model I wrote up as a handout, and you will all understand. You will all understand everything... > Litz Wrote: > To say nothing of alien beings based on chemicals other than carbon. > Truly alien life may not even be recognizable as a life form to us. > Consider, fire could be a form of life ( with a stretch ), or be the basis > for some form of life ( but again, thats carbon ). Or perhaps alien life > could look to us as nothing more than a chemical reaction ( like fire ). > Maybe some aliens see us as nothing more than an uninteresting chemical > reaction that needs extinguishing. ( Maybe a big tentacle-headed one? ) I doubt that simple chemical reactions like fire can be alive, a component of life, maybe, but not self-replicating. Also consider the multi-dimensional aspect to many Mythos entities (Mi-Go, flying polyps, Nyarlathotep). Evolving multidimensionality would imply a multi-dimensional environment to evolve within. This might come about on Earth when our local (or even universal) Space/Time dramatically shifts in basic physics when the stars come right. It may be that the rising of the Great Old Ones is tied somehow to a cycle of dimensional shifting that brings to mind both the Mayan calendar and the RIFTS rpg from Palladium. It may be that our current configuration of physics prevents the Great Old Ones from achieving their full potential. Cult activity might work to change these inconvienient natural laws - perhaps temporarily, perhaps permanently. Could it be possible that this dimensional shifting can be encouraged by the actions of the deranged? If so, then the possibility exists that it could be delayed as well. Everything we know so far tells us that the process is inevitable. Any petty manuevering of the temporal component of such a hypothetical dimensional cycle would be irrelevant. It will happen with all the certainty of roaring thunder after a bolt of lightning. Have a nice day :) The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:55:16 -0400 From: Daniel Harms Subject: Re: DG: Alien Evolution and the Correct Stars At 01:38 AM 7/23/98 -0400, Maninblack wrote: >Chance is the only factor in evolution. Evolution is defined as a process >of natural selection in which less well-adapted creatures die and >well-adapted creatures thrive. Not to get too far off-topic, but evolution is not merely due to natural selection. A number of other effects, including mutation (which may be of a neutral nature), genetic drift (fluctuations in gene frequency between generations), and gene flow (migration and interbreeding between populations), also cause evolution, and are in fact much more powerful than natural selection in the process. I'll sit down now. Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu "Wool is wool. Wool is a pack of lies." -- Richard S. Shaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:03:27 -0700 From: Christian Conkle Subject: DG: TV SAN Loss (wasRE: Re: useful documents (CIA, FBI) Speaking of Sanity Loss, I was watching SPEED tonight on FOX with my girlfriend when, after it was over, they showed a commercial for the Guiness World Record Show. Now, I've never considered myself squeamish, and I've seen some cool stuff in my time, but when they showed rapid-fire shots of the world's fattest baby, a man swallowing a live tarantula, and then that horrible woman who could unpop her eyeballs out of her sockets and roll them around, I began screaming in revulsion and horror and quickly turned off the TV set! I was horribly shaken and lay panting as my other-half alternatively laughed and tried to comfort me. All the while, I couldn't SKAHE THE IMAGE OF THOSE HORRIBLE EYEBALLS! There must have been a good 3-4 minutes as I slowly recovered from the shock! I figured I'm about average POW, so I give myself a 10. Therefore, I have 50 SAN. I obviously failed my roll and took over 5 Sanity loss! Had I taken more, I may have lapsed into indefinite insanity! I must be more careful what I watch on TV and go back to good old, safe, Faces of Death movies. Oh, and how much therapy do you figure watching Teletubbies will provide? Heh, I might allow that in my campaign. - -----Original Message----- From: theherald@juno.com To: deltagreen@nocturne.org Sent: 7/22/98 6:01 PM Subject: DG: Re: useful documents (CIA, FBI) On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:36:38 +0200 "Florian Hanke" writes: > >--------------4261634F73090DBEB3621BA6 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > >Christian Conkle wrote: > >> Aargh! What's the SAN loss on the CIA kid's page? I have viewed the >awful >> monstrosity Harry Recon, the Aerial Photography Pigeon and failed my >SAN >> check!! The Horror! The Horror! > >Scream! Too bad Harry Recon's father has been shot down "winging along >side the >U-2 as it gathered overhead pictures" over russia... >I'd say at least 1D6/3D6 ... > >Florian Hanke Well, now we know what the replacement for the Blackbird is! And I was hoping it would be the Aurora! :) Michael theherald@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 07:19:44 EDT From: CroakerJr@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: TV SAN Loss (wasRE: Re: useful documents (CIA, FBI) In a message dated 98-07-23 02:34:09 EDT, you write: << Speaking of Sanity Loss, I was watching SPEED tonight >> The horror... The horror... << on FOX with my girlfriend when, after it was over, they showed a commercial for the Guiness World Record Show. Now, I've never considered myself squeamish, and I've seen some cool stuff in my time, but when they showed rapid-fire shots of the world's fattest baby, a man swallowing a live tarantula, and then that horrible woman who could unpop her eyeballs out of her sockets >> Damn, they're showing different Guiness World Records commercials in Oregon than they are here in Alabama. All we get are the World's Biggest Tumor and the Kid with the Exposed Heart. Be "seeing" you... (evil cackling from the eye-popper woman in the background) Shane Ivey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:39:20 +0000 From: "John P. Yuda" Subject: Re: DG: TV SAN Loss (wasRE: Re: useful documents (CIA, FBI) > Oh, and how much therapy do you figure watching Teletubbies will provide? Watching Teletubbies should undoubtedly be another sanity loss. And a pretty sizable one at that... *shudder* Yuda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 02:22:36 -0400 From: "R. Menzi" Subject: DG: I'm looking for a few good NPC's Hello all. I am putting together a nice new sub-directory in my DG e-mail folder for interesting recurring NPC's, the ones that are not in the DG book. So, if you've got a NPC that is far from disposable and has an interesting story, share a short write-up with the rest of us. Just skip the stats, please; I'd like to hear more about the characters more and less about the character sheet. Besides, most of us would just rewrite those parts anyway. Just to make it fair, I'll be sure to post some of my own once I get them on paper and out to e-mail. Regards, >>> R. Menzi ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V1 #78 *******************************