From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V1 #80 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Friday, July 24 1998 Volume 01 : Number 080 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:35:03 -0400 From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: Re: DG: Tellytubbies Rob wrote: >Yours old enough to remember proper childrens TV like Dangermouse, >and Rhubarb and Custard anyone remember then? Oh absolutely! Actually I use a Dangermouse icon for my folder on the lab computer (entirely appropriate given my line of work...). Personally though, I preferred the Clangers, Willo-the-Wisp and Chorlton and the Wheelies. I was very gratified to see the repeats of Space 1999 whilst I was back in the UK, though. Boy, will that be dated next year! And to think, when I was a kiddie I thought that the special effects we SO convincing! Laters Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:46:00 -0500 From: William Timmins Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: DG: USN SmartShip Computer Problems (wasRe:Nationality,journalism ...] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------1EF476272F137541525B99F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From one of my players to whom I forwarded Smartship funniness (he isn't on this list) - --- - --------------1EF476272F137541525B99F0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Received: from BERYLLIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU (BERYLLIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU) by DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #7763) id <01IZPW4RDSI68WWCW8@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU> for pooh@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by beryllium.club.cc.cmu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA10026 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Aphthakid@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id JNISa04521; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:25:12 +2000 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:25:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Aphthakid@aol.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: DG: USN SmartShip Computer Problems (was Re:Nationality,journalism ... To: pooh@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU Cc: bsinor@concentric.net, jgbst8+@pitt.edu, michael@lycos.com, seth@telerama.lm.com, tsmith@telerama.com Message-id: <285d2750.35b6ad19@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-07-22 22:40:29 EDT, you write: Oh, this was a good idea. I wonder how much money Microsoft had to toss around the Pentagon for that one! "Cruise Missile away, sir!" "Good! Reload!" "That'll take four hours, sir." "WHAT?!" "Our system isn't plug and play, sir." "Sir, the radars have all crashed!" "WHAT?!" "We installed a new toaster oven and it's causing a system conflict." "Oh we can't have nice things. Unplug the stupid toaster and get my radars back!" "Can't, sir. The manual is on the computer and we can't restart the computer without the manual." The best, of course, will be when Microsoft talks them into "upgrading" from NT to whatever Gates & Co. replace it with then the Navy discovers they have to change every chip on board because, of course, the new software doesn't run the old stuff. (Thank you so bloody much, Bill!) Having a "virtual" manual instead of an actual damn book has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard of, BTW. "Hello, Microsoft helpline? I can't access one of the programs on my computer." "Have you consulted the manual?" "It IS the bloody manual!" DAvery - --------------1EF476272F137541525B99F0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:44:39 +0000 From: "John P. Yuda" Subject: Re: DG: Pagan Publishing Product Announcement > Just under 60 pages of material for just $9.00! > > Machinations of the Mi-go will be available only at GenCon or through direct > mail order from Pagan Publishing. Alright, then, since I won't be at GenCon, how, pray tell, do I go about a direct mail order from Pagan? Yuda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:01:11 -0500 From: William Timmins Subject: Re: DG: RE: Alien Evolution and the Correct Stars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've just started a plot featuring Nordics in my campaign, a very convoluted Endtime plot. Essentially, Nordics are clones/vat humans created using Cookbook technology. They have multidimensional tech gear interwoven into them, enabling them to heal quickly, have radio-telepathy, levitate, make people blow up, and other fun. They also have arrow-shaped spacecraft. They are actually several different groups... the 2040s-2050s UN, the machine intelligences that Majestic unwittingly gives rise to, and a few independent groups, each from various time periods, each going back in time for different reasons. The 2045 UN Nordics are going back in time to gather humans and bring them forward. Some to be used for their POW to construct massive Elder Sign guns for the space battles being fought against Cthulhoids and other nasties who have awoken in the solar system. Some are to be used for the brains of said ships. If people want more details, feel free to ask. I'm drawing on the Lovecraftian story that shows New York in the future (the one where a guy stumbles on this old house in New York, and a time window sort of thing) I don't recall the title, but it features big black pyramids, flying ships, and constant NOISE>.. Blade Runner, anyone? - -Will ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:41:04 +0000 From: "John P. Yuda" Subject: Re: DG: RE: Alien Evolution and the Correct Stars Hey...if you're one of Will's players, you probably shouldn't read on. Proceed at own risk. Hell, if you're one of my players you might want to stay out as well. > have subscribed, this is Will talking, don't read!!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've just started a plot featuring Nordics in my campaign, a very > convoluted Endtime plot. My previous DG game fell apart due to 2/3 players moving out of town. Anyway, to get to my point (yes, I do occassionally have a point), I had just intorduced Nordics into that game...at least, they thought they were Nordics. In reality, they were the first members of a super-race created by the Karotechia. This would have become increasingly evident to them had they ever managed to talk to one, or gun one down, but for whatever reason they seemed convinced that they were friendly, and didn't try to. It amused the hell out of me to see them barking up the wrong tree for about 2 hours, though. They called SaucerWatch in and everything. > Blade Runner, anyone? Sure. I'll take 3. Yuda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:52:08 -0700 From: paposehn@juno.com (Phil A Posehn) Subject: Re: DG: useful documents (CIA, FBI) All things considered, I feel that Wilie Coyote would be a far better company mascot for the CIA. We could start with Wilie trying to slip a box of ACME exploding cigars into Fidel Castro's cigar box... Phil _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:42:23 EDT From: Dhl9@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: D. Skies etc In a message dated 98-07-23 13:06:57 EDT, you write: << Well, there's "The Ressurected" (released on cable in the states a few years back and on video now), which is a pretty damn good translation of "The Case of Charles Dexter Ward". >> Yes, it was a pretty good translation. I have a friend who is a Lovecraft junkie and in general has a distaste for most of the attempts to take Lovecraft stories to film or television, but he liked this one. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:55:33 -0400 From: Tal Meta Subject: Re: DG: Pagan Publishing Product Announcement SGlancy12@aol.com wrote: > > Pagan Publishing will be releasing a limited printing book for GenCon: > Machinations of the Mi-go will be available only at GenCon or through direct > mail order from Pagan Publishing. Sounds like a must have. How do those of us who won't be at GenCon get a copy, eh? - -- talmeta@bellatlantic.net - I *am* one of the Chosen Few! ICQ - 12594453 AIM - talmeta1 TANJ Lives! - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:18:07 EDT From: CroakerJr@aol.com Subject: DG: Alta Vista does Carcosa The strange things you find when you idly search for "Carcosa" on a search engine: http://www.eskimo.com/~carcosa/ The Bavarian Illuminati Motorcycle Club. Need I say more? http://www.carcosa.demon.co.uk/ Despite its domain name, this site only mentions the origin of the name Carcosa and leaves it at that. http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5582/chambers.html A huge and mostly pretty good essay on R.W. Chambers. I can't imagine why the author didn't break this monster up into multiple pages. It's good reading, but ugh. http://www.blueskies.com.au/Ultimates/Aman/carcosa.html Carcosa: the luxury resort. http://www.sff.net/people/DoyleMacdonald/lit.htm Full text of a bunch of great works, including Chambers and Bierce and Poe. http://www.tor.com/sampleLordofIsles.html Looks like an excerpt from a fantasy novel from Tor Books. A wealthy city called Carcosa is mentioned in the prologue. http://sf.www.lysator.liu.se/sf_archive/sf-texts/authors/L/Lovecraft,H.P ..mbox A bibliography of the Cthulhu Mythos. The author subscribes to Derleth's "Good Great Old Ones vs. Bad Great Old Ones" theory. It looks like a heck of a good resource, though. http://www.prismnet.com/~ssor/psudolit/lit.html "Can Such Things Be?" by Bierce, broken into chapters by the site author. http://www.cthulhu.org/jmc/smut/articles/8381.txt "http://www.kinginyellow.com/vacation/carcosa" http://www.tcsnet.net/~bagliong/magic/magical-systems.html Looks like lots of interesting articles on "authentic" magick (you can tell it's authentic when they spell it with a 'k'). http://www.gandil.com/mok/eternal/k_links.html "eternal khaos & magick links" -- must be REALLY authentic... lots and lots of links. http://www.htw-dresden.de/~htw3571/cthulhu.htm A classy site with Mythos excerpts. http://www.hotweird.com/~fj/booksale/ Weird fiction books for sale. http://www.sfsite.com/home.htm The SF site. I found no mention of Carcosa, despite Alta Vista's promise. http://www.reading.ac.uk/~ssu96sp/slot3.html A passage from TKIY was quoted in describing an Amber scenario to be conducted. http://www.creative.net/~alang/lit/horror/abierce.sht A great Ambrose Bierce site with many links and texts. http://www.llp.fu-berlin.de/baum/bierce.html Germans dig Bierce... http://www.worldnet.fr/~c_thill/chambers/ ...and the French dig Chambers... http://www.worldnet.fr/~c_thill/chambers/presgb.html The English version. http://www.teleport.com/~rgavora/scifipr.htm Fine and Rare Books. I didn't know Carcosa was also a publishing company. Around this time I figured I had better be productive and earn my pay. Yes, work was slow today. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:16:54 -0500 From: Jeff McSpadden Subject: Re: DG: Pagan Publishing Product Announcement Tal Meta wrote: > Sounds like a must have. How do those of us who won't be at GenCon get a > copy, eh? Try http://www.tccorp.com/outsider/index.html for US and international orders BTW Scott, are you going to let us know the product code so we can preorder? Come on, we know you want to... At least drop the list a note when it's released, and Mortal Coils too, so we can flood you with orders. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:38:05 -0500 From: William Timmins Subject: Re: DG: RE: Alien Evolution and the Correct Stars John P. Yuda wrote: > Hey...if you're one of Will's players, you probably shouldn't read > on. Proceed at own risk. Hell, if you're one of my players you > might want to stay out as well. > > > > have subscribed, this is Will talking, don't read!!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've just started a plot featuring Nordics in my campaign, a very > > convoluted Endtime plot. > > My previous DG game fell apart due to 2/3 players moving out of town. > Anyway, to get to my point (yes, I do occassionally have a point), I > had just intorduced Nordics into that game...at least, they thought > they were Nordics. In reality, they were the first members of a > super-race created by the Karotechia. This would have become > increasingly evident to them had they ever managed to talk to one, or > gun one down, but for whatever reason they seemed convinced that they > were friendly, and didn't try to. It amused the hell out of me to > see them barking up the wrong tree for about 2 hours, though. They > called SaucerWatch in and everything. > Actually, one idea I had was that Nordic programs in various time periods had sown the seeds of various legends backward, along with the oracular musings of the Nazis. That is, the Nazis knew that in the future would be the 'rule' of 'Aryans', and that they would gather up people and then people would die... They wouldn't realize, of course, that the 'owners' of the Nordics aren't pure Aryan (by anyone's definition of Aryan), and that the gathering of people had a point. Of course, the other fun is the morality of gathering and using people for the 'defense of humanity'... the justified war against the Mythos in the future. Which is charted out in the grimoire in my webpage... and doomed to failure. The other aspect of fun in the Endtime scenario is the SAN loss the characters... and maybe players... will have when they are exposed to average culture in the future. Any hard look at events nowadays shows the signs of Mythos-like madness. Random killings by children, just for the hell of it? A comfort and embracing of evil and foul? It gets much, much worse. (Mayor of 2046 New York openly taking drugs and somewhat quietly going through young boys in sexual exploits, urban open paintball-style games with real guns, TV programming almost literally from Hell...) Hopefully it'll depress and scare the characters completely. ;) (what are we fighting for??) - -Will ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:10:17 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: RE: Gorilla my dreams (was Re: DG: Alien in sex) - -----Original Message----- 差出人 : Jay and Mikiko Noyes 宛先 : Delta Green List 日時 : 1998年7月24日 1:58 件名 : Gorilla my dreams (was Re: DG: Alien in sex) Jay (Lord of Quoting Terry Pratchett) wrote: >Re: Primate communication. > As for apes communicating amoung themselves, there have been reports >of groups of apes using sign language with each other, but there hasn't >really been a big enough group returned to a natural environment to see what >would really happen. I've heard that there is a colony of bonobo chimps (pygmy chimps) that use sign. A couple of members had been taught sign in captivity and later were returned to the wild--they taught their kids sign, and it just spread through the colony. But that could be an urban (jungle?) legend. On a somewhat more reliable note, there was a news story a while back about a female orangutan who used sign language to try to seduce her (human male scientist) keeper. Now what was the title of that really cheesey Lovecraft story about the guy who commits suicide after discovering that his family is descended from albino gorillas on his great-great grandma's side? Along the lines of Will's truly freaking excellent notions about future Nordics, how about a servitor or assistant race to the Nordics of genengineered apes? There was a pretty fun SF novel called Drakon (forget the author--anybody out there know it? I want to order the rest of the series), which featured a slightly similar alternate past/present/future timeline with a new human race arising out of self-genengineering which displaces true humanity. They also create a war species out of baboons, very nasty critters called "ghouls," in an obvious homage to Lovecraft. Be seeing you, David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:10:11 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: RE: DG: RE: Just a small question (SPOILER) - -----Original Message----- 差出人 : Randall L. Orndorff 宛先 : Delta Green List 日時 : 1998年7月22日 23:10 件名 : Re: DG: RE: Just a small question Randall Orndorff (Lord of Oligarchical Anthropophagism) wrote: > Begin Rant... > Actually, the human form is inefficient, slow, fragile and the only >reason we evolved into it because our environment forced us to have it. >I'm sorry to write about this on the list, but this is one of my >personal bitches. OK, OK, no need to bite my head off (and I assure you, I am very poor)! I just meant humanoid forms are more likely than, say, intelligent interstellar dust clouds. But you're right--the way I phrased it made me sound a bit like a Trekkie Fundamentalist (willing to twist all known laws of science to justify Vulcan/Human crossbreeding). What I meant was, the general humanoid form, "a poor, forked thing," does work, even if it's far from the most efficient form. The big problem as someone else pointed out is that the Grays claim to have similar genetics to us--that they even have genes (as we know them) is surprising (to those who don't know the Awful Truth). That creatures with a similar genetic base would develop into a humaniod form is possible, though VERY unlikely. Good criticism. Be seeing you, David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:35:48 EDT From: theherald@juno.com (Michael Layne) Subject: Re: DG: Tellytubbies On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:20:32 GMT0BST Robert Thomas writes: >Hello All, > > > >Tellytubbies are the result of the BBC looking to find a replacement >for that classic childrens show Playdays now admittedly I'm 24 but I >have been a student and what else am I supposed to do with my >mornings! Anyway I bet you don't get them shown every bloody day at >10 in the morning, its worse for me you know my sisters a school >teacher and so she tapes the bloody things and watches it at night >when something else should be on! Can't we get a request in to MJ-12 >via a round-about route for the sanctioning of the tellytubbies and >the woman that created them! > >Yours old enough to remember proper childrens TV like Dangermouse, >and Rhubarb and Custard anyone remember then? > >Rob > > >J.R.E.Thomas. >Science Library PC Room Advisor ext 6135 / 5128. >MScII City and Regional Planning Student. >ThomasR@cardiff.ac.uk > Hey, I remember Dangermouse! (And a player who seemed to specialize in characters who acted like him!:)) Old DM actually made it to this side of the Atlantic! My favorite is still the one where all their background music had been stolen, nearly immobilizing DM and his sidekick! Why can't they still make cartoons like that now, instead of (ack!) the Smurfs? Michael theherald@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:20:03 -0700 From: Lech Von Oxen Subject: Re: DG: Alien Evolution and the Correct Stars Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. You broke my brain and now I need a dribble cup for my beer. I mean, I'm not going to be tested on this, am I? Call me Lech. (or Drool-Boy) G. Wyckoff wrote: > This is actually not specifically true. A biologist named Motoo Kimura > put forth the idea that most, if not all, mutations at the molecular level > are in fact "neutral". That is to say that the mutated copy doesn't do > _anything_ differently from the non-mutated copy. So, in this case, the > mutation will just "drift" through the population, eventually either going > extinct or becoming the predominant (or only) form of the gene in the > population. If the gene is neutral, the probablity it will fix (ie, be > present in almost 100% of the individuals in a population) is equal to > the original frequency of the mutation in the population. If there are > 10,000 diploid individuals, and a mutation occurs on one chromosome, the > probablity under a neutral model that it will fix is therefore about 1 in > 20,000. A very small chance. So the smaller the population, the larger > chance that drift will randomly fix a neutral mutation. Now, many > molecular evolutionary biologists use this "neutral hypothesis" as a > "null" model. The trick than is to prove that a gene that you are looking > at is under selection: either positive selection that will increase a > mutations frequency or negative selection which will tend to keep the > gene mutation free. This is _not_ a trivial matter (trust me on this: I > have spent so far about 3.5 years on my Ph.D. working on this), becuase > the neutral model is _extremely_ robust and seems to explain evolution at > the molecular level pretty well. So selection either to increase the > frequency of a mutation or to smote the poor mutation from the face of > the earth is not really frequent. However, the selection that most people > _do_ find at the molecular level tends, in fact, to work _against_ new > mutations: the mutations do not fix in the population. But a large > percentage of the mutations that do arise either are neutral or _act_ as > if they are in fact neutral. > > > > > I like to think of evolution as a blind, raving lunatic who tinkers with > > working models to produce new variatons, and then throwing these newer > > models out into the world to see how they do. 99.99% may die or be unable > > to reproduce, but that other .01% may produce some very interesting results. > > Probably even fewer that .01% of new mutations are actually selected for, > the majority are probably neutral or nearly neutral, and the rest are > deleterious (selected against). But a lot of mutations get by the tender > minstrations of selection. > > > > > Please note that I am NOT a biologist, nor do I play one on TV. The above > > stuff has mainly been dredged up from my old AP biology memories, so if > > they are flawed, please forgive. > > Well, hope this helps. :) > > Jerry > > Reference: Kimura, 1983 "The Neutral theory of Molecular evolution" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:46:16 -0500 From: "Gregory S. Secaur" Subject: DG: Lovecraftian films Both this list and Strange Aeons have seen extensive discussion of movies and TV shows with Lovecraftian themes or imagery, but on neither list have I seen one of my favorites cited. "The Frighteners" is not Lovecraftian, except for the FBI agent played by Jeffrey Combs. No movie I've seen features a character who so perfectly captures the essence of the SAN-blasted Cthulhu investigator. All must see it. Plus, it's a terrific movie anyway. Greg Secaur gsecaur@frostbit.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:58:12 EDT From: theherald@juno.com (Michael Layne) Subject: Re: DG: Alien in sex) On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:10:17 +0900 "David Farnell" writes: > >I've heard that there is a colony of bonobo chimps (pygmy chimps) that >use >sign. A couple of members had been taught sign in captivity and later >were >returned to the wild--they taught their kids sign, and it just spread >through the colony. But that could be an urban (jungle?) legend. Sounds like something out of Michael Crichton's "Congo".... >Along the lines of Will's truly freaking excellent notions about >future >Nordics, how about a servitor or assistant race to the Nordics of >genengineered apes? There was a pretty fun SF novel called Drakon >(forget >the author--anybody out there know it? I want to order the rest of the >series), which featured a slightly similar alternate >past/present/future >timeline with a new human race arising out of self-genengineering >which >displaces true humanity. They also create a war species out of >baboons, very >nasty critters called "ghouls," in an obvious homage to Lovecraft. The author was S.M. Stirling. Other books in the series include "Under the Yoke", "Marching through Georgia", and "Stone Dogs". Michael theherald@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:25:45 -0700 From: Lech Von Oxen Subject: Re: DG: Lovecraftian films Oh, absolutely. I second this recommendation. It also perfectly illustrates how characters *should* come together: not through an unusual circumstance that begins a story's movement, but through individual character; eventually, all paths lead in the same direction... Wow. How's that for abstract. It's a good movie -- see it. So says Lech. Gregory S. Secaur wrote: > > "The Frighteners" is not Lovecraftian, except for the FBI agent played by > Jeffrey Combs. No movie I've seen features a character who so perfectly > captures the essence of the SAN-blasted Cthulhu investigator. > > All must see it. > > Plus, it's a terrific movie anyway. > > Greg Secaur > gsecaur@frostbit.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:47:18 GMT0BST From: Robert Thomas Subject: Re: DG: Tellytubbies . I was very gratified to see the repeats of Space 1999 whilst I > was back in the UK, though. Boy, will that be dated next year! And to > think, when I was a kiddie I thought that the special effects we SO > convincing! > > Laters > > Graeme > graemep@immag.mcg.edu Are you teeling me they were special effects I thought it was a location shoot ;-) Rob. J.R.E.Thomas. Science Library PC Room Advisor ext 6135 / 5128. MScII City and Regional Planning Student. ThomasR@cardiff.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:36:42 +0900 From: ft203004@fsinet.or.jp (Jay and Mikiko Noyes) Subject: Re: DG: Re: TV SAN Loss (was Re: useful documents (CIA, FBI)) > Not sure about Ewoks... No san gain or loss. But you shoot one you do get the nice warm glow of a job well done. Jay - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- Stercus, stercus, stercus, moriturus sum Terry Pratchett, "Interesting Times" - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 05:38:26 EDT From: SGlancy12@aol.com Subject: DG: Ordering from Pagan Publishing For those of you who don't know, Pagan Publishing's web page is located at: http://www.tccorp.com/ From there you can find our mailorder catalog, The Outsider. Or you can call us at 206-528-7665 or fax at 206-528-0199 My business address is paganbiz@aol.com Visa, Mastercard and Discover accepted. DON'T SEND YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER TO US VIA EMAIL!! "Machinations of the Mi-go" is not on the catalog yet, but if you call or fax, we'll make out an order form for you and send yours out as soon as they're printed. We expect the first ones will be mailed beinging next friday, August 1st, 1998. A. Scott Glancy, Business Manager Pagan Publishing: Weep like children, run like women, die like dogs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:27:38 +0100 From: "Winkelman, Mark" Subject: RE: DG: RE: Alien Evolution and the Correct Stars > >Hey...if you're one of Will's players, you probably shouldn't read >on. Proceed at own risk. Hell, if you're one of my players you >might want to stay out as well. > >> > have subscribed, this is Will talking, don't read!!> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >I >had just intorduced Nordics into that game...at least, they thought >they were Nordics. In reality, they were the first members of a >super-race created by the Karotechia. This would have become >increasingly evident to them had they ever managed to talk to one, or >gun one down, Why exactly, did they ahev cheesy German accents or what was so strange/evident about their biology? MArk Winkelmann ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:59:59 +0100 From: "Winkelman, Mark" Subject: RE: DG: computer viruses > >On Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:53:25 +0100 "Winkelman, Mark" > writes: >>You probably know it already but the adventure "Fractal Gods" concerns >>such amtters its in "The Stars Are Right" which is generally a really >>good collection of scenarios. >> >>Mark Winkelmann > >Nope. It was "The Swaner Virus", located in TUO #13, p. 17. I was just refering to The Fractal Gods scenario as an additional reference source for that kind of thing. >Mark Winkelmann ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 1998 13:58:56 BST From: ITDCJB@hantsnet.hants.gov.uk Subject: DG: Non-psychic psychics. > Stercus, stercus, stercus, moriturus sum > > Terry Pratchett, "Interesting Times" I swear this would be funny if I knew any latin. Anyway just a quick thought which I considered sharing with the list. I saw a TV program last night about scientist conducting experiments into the unconscious - patients would be encouraged to write down their dreams, or would be subjected to sensory deprivation and just talk about what entered their minds. In another room someone would be concentrating on a target, such as a Cezanne picture. sure enough there were results to back claims of "telepathy/collective subconscious" So I thought, what if there was no such thing as telepathy (in the human sense) but something was hijacking these experiments and making it look as if telepathy existed even though it didn't: 1) An agent of the Mythos: The psychic powers are actually the result of some kind of Mythos agents. (Shan, Mi-Go, take your pick) In a few months time the scientists find that the less willpower you put up the more "receptive" you are to telepathy. (Ie. voluntary failing POW rolls, spending POW points) Unfortunately this leaves you at the mercy of the Mythos agent who might intially provide "telepathy" but ultimately is just weakening you so that they can take control. Fun ideas rotate about false readings: {PC1: But I know PC2 shot Professor Jackson. I saw it in a dream session...} 2) Satan: Yep. He might not exist in HPL or DG for that matter but for anyone running a non-mythos universe this could be useful. Plus there's a good motive here - by convincing people that there are psychic powers, etc in the world he encourages people to believe in them instead of God. 3) government agency: The Dream research agency is cover for another government agency specialising in Hypnosis and Brainwashing. Subjects are encouraged to believe they are particpating in "dream/telepathy" experiments but all results are falsified and the victims are left as "sleeper" agents until the shadowy agency requires them. Could make an interesting MJ-12 plot-line. The experiments are tests to see how well brainwashed a subject is. Have fun with these plotlines. - -- Jacob _________ Animation, Bar Conversation, /__ __/ /__ Anticipation, Disinclination. __/ / / . / /___/ /____/ "Soho (Needless to say)", Al Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:27:41 +0000 From: "John P. Yuda" Subject: DG: Lovecraftian Inspired Movies (was Re: DG: D. Skies etc) Alright, for lack of anything better to do at work today, I've compiled the list of films we've come up with as being HPL-esque. If anyone has any objections either to include another or remove one or more, go ahead...and I didn't make any additions or subtractions myself, just compiled whatever got mentioned recently. So here goes, in no particular order: The Frighteners The Outisider The Music of Erich Zann The Reanimator Bride of Reanimator Necronomicon The Mouth of Madness The Ressurected Deep Rising Alien Cast a Deadly Spell The Thing Event Horizon Split Second There you have it. Laterz, Yuda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:43:34 +0000 From: "John P. Yuda" Subject: DG: The Stage Well, as of my posting about The Stage yesterday, I had read half of it. Upon finishing it, it's kind of interesting, although I think they screwed up their dates on a few real life historical events. To bring those of you who haven't had a chance to check it out yet up to speed, The Stage is a freeware RPG setting based heavily in paranormal phenomena. They kind of dip into a whole bunch of things, diluting the game a little too much for my tastes...but the several paranormal secret societies they have seem interesting enough. To summarize them: Knights of St. Jerome: a Catholic group of evil-fighting, God-fearing, apparantly-all-knowing humans. They're not paranormal in any respect, as far as I can tell. Of course, the setting is written as one of their recruiting letters, so they may just be covering that up. Loci: Not really a society, just a generic name for anybody with "the potential to change the world" are they psychic, or strong polititians, or just brilliant, or what? It needs to go more into depth here, since these people seem to be the pivotal group in the game. The Juvat: A group of precognitive mystics who believe they can control the future. Not everyone in the group has these precog abilities, though. The Matar: Evil things which appear to want to rule the world. Nobody seems to konw much about them. I'm thinking lesser servitor race which can shapeshift to appear human (or simply look close enough to fit in). Also working as a group, I think. The Quearo Verum: Splinter group from the Juvat which took a more proactive stance vs. the Matar. That's it for the (quasi-)mortal groups, all of which seem to be opposed to all the others. Had they stopped here and gone more into depth with it, it could've been cool...but, instead, there's more... Amaranthites: Essentially, vampires. I'm not going to say any more, except that this comes close to ruining the setting for me. Don't really have a place, except to add another front to the war, I suppose... The Angelic Choir: Angels? Demons? Bored college students? Your guess is as good as mine. Old Families: Apparently three bloodlines with some sort of paranormal stuff going on... Government groups: The then go into mild detail on (primarily U.S.) gov't groups strikingly similar to DG. Well, anyway, check it out. My assessment is decent to grab a thing or two from, but not really enough there for anything more. Yuda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:35:49 +0900 From: ft203004@fsinet.or.jp (Jay and Mikiko Noyes) Subject: Re: DG: Non-psychic psychics. > >> Stercus, stercus, stercus, moriturus sum >> >> Terry Pratchett, "Interesting Times" > >I swear this would be funny if I knew any latin. Roughly translated: "Oh shit, I going to die" Mildly amusing, I realize, but I like it. Jay - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- Stercus, stercus, stercus, moriturus sum Terry Pratchett, "Interesting Times" - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:49:55 -0500 From: William Timmins Subject: Re: DG: RE: Alien Evolution and the Correct Stars Hmm. For those who expressed interest, I'll be working on 'Will's Endtime'. I'll ping the list when I put it up... (Working on a more 'standard' DG scenario right now, but I'll get to it) - -Will ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:05:00 -0700 From: Josh Shaw Subject: DG: Unfortunate News I am saddened to report the passing of our long time friend, Dr. Diane Wu of Berkeley. Dr. Wu, a noted geologist died unexpectedly last night on the campus of The University of North Dakota at Fargo of sudden and simultaneous catastrophic heart and lung failure. Dr. Wu was attempting to aid her companion, Reverend Billy Ray Jefferson who had suffered a severe leg injury which subsequently led to his death by hemorrhage. Reverend Jefferson had apparently been attempting to interrupt a student bonfire and beer blast in honor of "Great Kattu Lou" when the injury occurred. Also dead was Mr. Simon Geko, of no known address or occupation, of a sudden and traumatic headache. Another companion, Air Force Major Alec Moran, was reported to be at Fargo General Hospital with a severe abdominal complaint, but is expected to survive. Police are still searching for a fifth man; 5'10, 175 lb., brown hair, light complexion, with a distinct french accent; who they hope can assist them with their inquiries. * * * * * * [Things were going fine until the Reverend decided that it was his christian duty to lecture the crowd, which included in addition to students a large group of townies and a good number of bikers, on the sinfulness of their ways. The crowd applauded him for a while, then started to boo him, then began to throw beer cans at him. At this point, instead of withdrawing, Billy Ray fired his shotgun over the heads of the crowd. Of course, the vast majority of the crowd scattered leaving only a few (1d20=11 if your luck is bad) to return fire. The rest should be left as an exercise for the observer.] * * * * Sic Transit Stupidio Mundi. - -----Josh Shaw ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:34:39 -0700 From: "Aaron" Subject: DG: Bizzare Photos If you are ever looking for bizarre images, for example crime-scene photos or for case-files to give to players as hand outs a friend of mine found this site and showed it to me. Some really messed up stuff here. http://amcentral.astrax.com/blood/pages/inside.html - -Khar-Goth- ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V1 #80 *******************************