From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V1 #98 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Tuesday, August 11 1998 Volume 01 : Number 098 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:08:55 -0700 From: "JimmieBise,Jr" Subject: DG: Re: Feh.. >Now to get on with it. I was talking to Dennis Dertwiller on the phone on >Friday afternoon when he mentioned he'd like to see more of what we, as >Delta Green GM's, would like to see published from their company. > Oh my goodness...a company that really wants to know what we'd like? :-) This is too good to be true! >I, of course, said more "Brotherhood of the Yellow Sign" stuff and >volunteered to write some. While we're on the subject, a little info >concerning modern cults and militias in general would be cool. Koresh, >Heaven's Gate, Rashneeshies, Montana Freemen, Ruby Ridge, and maybe more >mainstream religious movements/successful cults like Scientology or >Mormonism. Maybe even some hints as to how to handle different more >established religions like Catholicism, Islam, and the Southern Babtists >within the context of Lovecraft/Mythos. > I second that...cult tie-ins area great grist for the mill, especially splinter groups and offshoot sects that escape the public eye, more due to their small numbers than anything. >Other things that would come in handy would be MJ-12 data. Things like >conjectural maps of Area 51 and Wright-Patterson. Maps of Cape Kennedy, >MJ-12 maps of D.C., New York, or whatever. Useful things. Sourcebooks like >those made for the James Bond 007 RPG from Mayfair way way back. Cool stuff >that blurred the line between what was real, conjectural, and fantasy. >That's what Delta Green is all about, right? > Never saw those products, but having someone actually "handle" MJ-12, and be responsible for coordinating everything that the company releases about them would be terrific. I'd also like to see a bit more of the Karotechia, especially bathed in the light of the neo-nazi groups that prevail over Europe. Perhaps DG might not be overly interested in them, but the European, British, and Russian equivalents might. Also, I'm sure that in the Middle East, MOSSAD is involved in something very similar to DG, being what I would consider the foremost special operations group in the world right now, rivaled only by the British SAS. - -Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:09:49 -0700 From: "JimmieBise,Jr" Subject: DG: Re: Sign of the Times, Ver. 2.0 >FPG > >The Friendly Power Company > >Know who your friends are > Well...what did you expect? Nyarlathotech? :-) - -Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:14:47 -0700 From: The Saint of Killers Subject: Re: DG: Feh.. Graeme Price wrote: > Plus short DG scenarios (maybe getting people from the list to write > something? I have a couple of ideas [but a lack of time at the moment]) > that could be slotted into an ongoing campaign. Always good for throwing > players off the main scent of the campaign are short scenarios. How about > blank handout forms? Things with the authentic-looking classification > stamps and headers that could just be printed over to make neat handouts? > Long campaign scenarios (like Walker or Masks) in a DG setting would be > good too (plenty of handouts please). Perhaps I'm just being lazy here > though. Yesyesyes! A Tales of Terror style chapbook filled with dozens of short one-page scenario ideas, each with three different endings. Grabbing people from the list to write 'em up would be a great idea, though it might go against some Pagan policies, and there's all that sticky stuff with copyrights and such. Stupid laws. Oh, and to Dennis, I'm sorry for making my earlier comments. Pagan Publishing's books are so good that it's sometimes very easy to forget that it's one of the smaller publishers out there, with a staff of only five people. I'm glad you guys take your time, cos if you didn't, then you'd just be another White Wolf. SoK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:51:02 +0200 From: "Florian Hanke" Subject: Re: DG: Feh.. Christian Conkle wrote: > Now to get on with it. I was talking to Dennis Detwiller on the phone on > Friday afternoon when he mentioned he'd like to see more of what we, as > Delta Green GM's, would like to see published from their company. What I'd like to see was more background on other intelligence agencies of the world (MI-5, ...) - and whether some of them or maybe just some guys inside are aware of DG and the Mythos maybe, whether they are on friendly terms or not - I mean "we" had to have some help during operations in foreign contries... Regards Florian Hanke ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 22:52:16 +0100 From: "Clairr O'Connor & Kevin Honan" Subject: DG: Re: Two thingies to consider "> b)One thing I'd like more info into (for a current campign) is Delta-greenish activities in arabian countries...żAny ideas?" The Middle East has been the site of some of the world's weirdest conspiracys (like the fast one HMG pulled on the Arabs after WWI vis a vis independence or the old man on the mountain, hash(?) crazed cult assassins anybody ? ) and has come up with some pretty damn weird stuff itself (there's a rich vein to be tapped in the Diana and Dodi conspiracy literature of the middle east). Irem the city of pillars is mentioned several times in Lovecraft, though there is a specifficially Lovecraftian lost city called The Nameless City, the story is p.129 in the second Lovecraft omnibus from Harper Collins. Irem, city of pillars rings a bell as a historical city, I remember reading an article in Dragon magazine (it would have been '94/'95) about it. It has the air of a historical site, but I've checked my New Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology, Encyclopedia Britainica, Funk and Wagnall and the other usual suspects and came up with bubkis, nada. Lovecraft's love for making a pudding of historical, pseudo-historical and fictional places/names/gods is well known, so Irem could still be real, maybe I'm checking the wrong sources. He stole stuff from the Book of Dyzan by Madame Bravatsky, so that could be it. Wait a minute, the article in Dragon was for Al-Quadim (vanilla Alladin/Ali-Baba with added elves), Irem could be in the Arabian Nights( Sir Richard Burton ?). It's Lovecrafts kind of literature, I think he mentions it once or twice. I don't have a copy, so I don't know. I suppose the sort of campaign you run would depend heavily on wether you want to tackle the politics of the area or not, which may be a thorny subject for you I don't know. I'd recommend a series put out on BBC about two years ago called The Crusades. It was presented by one of the old Monty Python crew. I've seen it on video in Ireland, I suppose you could try and get on video in the States. The series is really strong on historical fact and on what a squalid affiar the whole thing really was, it runs the whole gamut from bravery and valour, to the massacre of civilians, cannibalism and genocide. Regards, Eamon (Who has just lost 1,040 words of a Cthulhu Live scenario, 'cos his motherf*cking piece of sh*t 386 just crashed *whimper*) Sorry, I just had to share that with someone. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 22:50:11 +0100 From: "Clairr O'Connor & Kevin Honan" Subject: Re: DG: sign of the times? Of course all this *noise* will cease when "...the spice are right" Hating himself, Eamon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:29:40 EDT From: PaganArt@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: DG: Feh.. SoK- It's cool ;>) It's equally frustrating on this side too when people assume we're a big company. We routinely get phone calls asking for the "Publisher's Office" or the "Ordering Department", which is usually answered "Hold on he's in the toilet". We really make so close to nothing doing this that it's all personal drive that keeps it going. Frankly, we thrive on good feedback, both from ourselves and our customers. Any word, good or bad is welcome too, as long as it's constructive. But some things we can't help, we're pretty much stuck in the three books a year schedule, so we try to make them count! "Jesus saves- Cthulhu saves you for later-" Dennis Detwiller Second Gunman/Silly Rabbit/Art Director Pagan Publishing Plotting the Downfall of Humanity since 1990 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:30:44 EDT From: PaganArt@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: DG: Feh.. Florian- In reference to MI-5 and other foreign agencies, many of these will be covered in DELTA GREEN: COUNTDOWN. "Jesus saves- Cthulhu saves you for later-" Dennis Detwiller Second Gunman/Silly Rabbit/Art Director Pagan Publishing Plotting the Downfall of Humanity since 1990 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:22:58 -0700 From: paposehn@juno.com (Phil A Posehn) Subject: Re: DG: Two thingies to consider Speaking of ELF, there was a story by Whitley Streiber that had the Soviets using ELF to amplify the psychic abilities of a young Iranian. Nice starting premise for a campaign. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:20:12 -0700 From: paposehn@juno.com (Phil A Posehn) Subject: Re: DG: Feh.. On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:02:36 -0700 The Saint of Killers writes: >In a wholly unrelated question, is it actually appropriate to discuss >Golden Dawn issues up here? Is this also a Pagan related list, or >strictly Delta Green? Cos I've added several Dawn related knacks to my >own games and I'd like to know where I could pass them on to others. > I hope so. I really like the concept of the book. One can even (barely) stretch GD into a 20s campaign. The cover didn't bother me...it's just that a LOT of people saw the cover, didn't know what The order of the Golden Dawn WAS, thought "Dark Ages Cthulhu", and didn't even look at the book. I'd love to see a reprint of the arms compendium. I don't own one. My distributer never had it to my knowledge. At least now that Delta Green has a couple of awards under its belt our distributers will start ordering Pagan in ADVANCE!! Phil _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:58:32 -0500 (CDT) From: "G. Wyckoff" Subject: DG: Re: DG Feh (suggestions) Something that I would really like to see is a sourcebook on the "outside" of the conspiracy. Not MJ-12, DG, etc., but the people who live with the conspiracy or deal with it without knowing what it is. Now, don't get me wrong: Delta Green was (and is) one of the most complete supplements I have ever seen, and the notes it contained about multiple agencies from different branchs of the US government are quite amazing. But something that I am having a hard time (as a Keeper) getting my head around is the scale of the conspiracy. What I'm trying to get at here is that, just like in a "regular" Cthulhu campaign, there are going to be people who investigate the Mythos on their own. And the world, as painted by the Delta Green sourcebook, looks even more bleak for these poor schmucks than it would in your average "Cthulhu now" campaign. So a small sourcebook on... 1) The existance of independant Mythos hunters ("indies") in the world of Delta Green 2) the level of penetration of MJ-12 and DG into various aspects of society (Media, government, academic, corporate ) and how this complicates life for indies. 3) Gray and Mi-Go involvement in abductions, cattle mutilations, crop circles, and global warming (etc.) (though I may be jumping the gun, if Machinations of the Mi-Go covers all of this) 4) Using Delta Green -and- MJ-12 as the aversary for an indie hunter or group of hunters. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:01:52 -0400 From: "Tom Smith" Subject: DG: Re: Sign of the Times, Ver. 2.0 - ---------- > From: Lech Von Oxen > To: Delta Green List > Subject: DG: Sign of the Times, Ver. 2.0 > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 3:16 AM > > Kids, > > Spent the evening at Candlestick (3Com) Park in San Francisco, where I > watched the Giants get whomped by the Cubs. During my third beer I > noticed something strange. > > A sign above the right field read: (much snippage) > But now we have cryptic power companies advertising in sports colesiums. > > My question, to you, then, is this: > > What does it all mean? > > Lech Out. The question is, are you the only one who saw it? Don't assume the subliminals have stopped just because you saw it. You know more than the fans around you, you know what to look for now. They may have seen a harmless beer commercial for all you know. And the worst part is, as far as the world knows, your the delusional one. Koala ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:21:31 EDT From: CroakerJr@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: DG Feh (suggestions) KEEPERS ONLY POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT YOU GET THE IDEA In a message dated 98-08-11 19:02:12 EDT, you write: << 4) Using Delta Green -and- MJ-12 as the aversary for an indie hunter or group of hunters. >> A couple of others on this list have mentioned running an "indie" campaign with DG as a group encountered by the players, and I expect this could be a terrific angle to pursue. As we've discussed, Delta Green is often portrayed as being just as ruthless in pursuit of its goals as the MJ villains; and a Keeper could quite convincingly portray NPCs who believe MJ are the "good guys," trying to salvage humanity from the alien force that looms over it, while DG are the "villains" who threaten to enslave humanity by exposing the force. NROD agents and other servitors of MJ ought to feel just as morally justified in their work as any Delta Green agent; maybe even moreso, since many DG agents, more exposed to the Big Picture (the Mythos, not just the Greys) will have an inkling of the futility of it all. An "indie" campaign could take great advantage of this ambiguity by challenging the players to decide for themselves who is in the right--and then by handing them situations where that decision turns out dead wrong. Living in shades of Grey, Shane Ivey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:30:35 +0200 From: "Florian Hanke" Subject: Re: DG: Paranoia films(Sign of the Times, Ver. 2.0) Tom Smith wrote: > The question is, are you the only one who saw it? > > Don't assume the subliminals have stopped just because you saw it. You > know more than the fans around you, you know what to look for now. They > may have seen a harmless beer commercial for all you know. > > And the worst part is, as far as the world knows, your the delusional one. That really reminds me of "They live!". Great film - I really like it..(At least the first part) But the sad thing is that here in Switzerland you don't get to see that kind of Paranoia-film very often. They live! really put my players in the right mood for gaming - we watched it before play... So, are there some more paranoia-inducing films out there?? I heard, "the prisoner" was very good, but couldn't get my hands on - is this film worth to be watched? Regards Florian Hanke your O friendly B power E company Y fpc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:45:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Tenebrous Technologies Subject: Re: DG: Feh.. >A Tales of Terror style chapbook filled with dozens of short one-page >scenario ideas, each with three different endings. Grabbing people from >the list to write 'em up would be a great idea, though it might go >against some Pagan policies, and there's all that sticky stuff with >copyrights and such. Stupid laws. I'd certainly love to contribute to something like that. I love coming up with those silly things. ;) Matt C. + | + Matt Cowger - 'The worst are full of passionate intensity, while the best lack all conviction.' - Yeats Tenebrae@Earthling.net ICQ UIN:5409084 Cam #:9607-020 http://home.gvi.net/~tenebrae + | + ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:52:38 -0700 From: Christian Conkle Subject: RE: DG: Paranoia films(Sign of the Times, Ver. 2.0) The Prisoner is a Television Series actually, but if you've seen one episode you've seen basically all the episodes. (except for the first and the last, which are different). There are very few movies out there that inspire the true sense of paranoia and consipiracy. Usually these themes are better handled by series that can build the paranoia over several months. Movies can't easily build paranoia in two hours, that's not paranoia, that's panic. Good series include The Prisoner, Millenium, Babylon 5. Very few movies also deal with the "Consipiracy" (greys/MJ-12/ufos, etc.). Again, series like X-Files, the Invaders, Project Blue Book, Dark Skies, and even pseudo-documentaries like "In Search Of.." or The Learning Channel just about any night of the week (should be called the UFO channel by now). Most movies about alien abduction and whatnot generally make light of the whole issue. Of course, Close Encounters of the Third Kind is far and away the the best. There's also a cheesy one with Charlie Sheen that I can't remember, I never saw it (probably for good reason). - ----------------------------------------------------- Christian Conkle Web Development Specialist Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory work: conklec@nwrel.org home: conkle@europa.com - ----------------------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Florian Hanke [SMTP:fhanke@jetnet.ch] > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 4:31 PM > To: Delta Green List > Subject: Re: DG: Paranoia films(Sign of the Times, Ver. 2.0) > > > > > > Tom Smith wrote: > > > The question is, are you the only one who saw it? > > > > Don't assume the subliminals have stopped just because you saw it. You > > know more than the fans around you, you know what to look for now. They > > may have seen a harmless beer commercial for all you know. > > > > And the worst part is, as far as the world knows, your the delusional > one. > > That really reminds me of "They live!". Great film - I really like it..(At > least the first part) But the sad thing is that here in Switzerland you > don't > get to see that kind of Paranoia-film very often. > They live! really put my players in the right mood for gaming - we watched > it > before play... > So, are there some more paranoia-inducing films out there?? > I heard, "the prisoner" was very good, but couldn't get my hands on - is > this > film worth to be watched? > > Regards > Florian Hanke > > your O friendly B power E company Y fpc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:07:05 EDT From: PaganArt@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: DG Feh (suggestions) <<1) The existance of independant Mythos hunters ("indies") in the world of Delta Green>> Such wonderful independant entities as the TV show Phenomen-X, and the American Museum of Natural History D Stacks (erratics and unclassifiable artifacts departments) will be outlined in DELTA GREEN: COUNTDOWN, as well as campaign notes on how to play in them instead of the standard DG format (Saucerwatch can work in this way as well). << 3) Gray and Mi-Go involvement in abductions, cattle mutilations, crop circles, and global warming (etc.) (though I may be jumping the gun, if Machinations of the Mi-Go covers all of this)>> Gray abductions are covered in detail in Machinations of the Mi-Go, but otherwise, I left some of it open for Keepers to have some breathing room, we actually left out a section on crop circles on purpose! Hope this clears up some of the chatter! "Jesus saves- Cthulhu saves you for later-" Dennis Detwiller Second Gunman/Silly Rabbit/Art Director Pagan Publishing Plotting the Downfall of Humanity since 1990 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:10:25 -0500 From: "Charles O. Baucum Jr." Subject: Re: DG: RE: Accountability This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------8A1FF2B6449F810F41D39A6F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Josh Shaw wrote: > Most semi-auto's and many revolvers have interchangeable barrels. They're > assembled from identical parts. This includes the 1911A1 among others > The ones I mentioned are built for changing types of ammunition used. They can be changed rapidly. I would seek professional help changing a barrel on the ones not built like this. - -- Charles O. Baucum Jr. Mortuus non est quod in aeternum insiditur et aetate ignota mors ipsas finiretur cobaucum@meta3.net - --------------8A1FF2B6449F810F41D39A6F Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Charles O. Baucum Jr. Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Charles O. Baucum Jr. n: ;Charles O. Baucum Jr. email;internet: cobaucum@meta3.net x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard - --------------8A1FF2B6449F810F41D39A6F-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:13:24 -0500 From: "Charles O. Baucum Jr." Subject: Re: DG: Accountability This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------957F25FE6A14818D33491A4A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > My Latin is a little rusty, could someone > please translate "Mortus non est quod in > aeternum insidifur et aetate igota mors ispas finiretur" into > English? > Thank you and Regards > Chards It's that famous Necronomicon couplet, as translated by a friend of mine who studies Latin. Charles O. Baucum Jr. Mortuus non est quod in aeternum insiditur et aetate ignota mors ipsas finiretur cobaucum@meta3.net - --------------957F25FE6A14818D33491A4A Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Charles O. Baucum Jr. Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Charles O. Baucum Jr. n: ;Charles O. Baucum Jr. email;internet: cobaucum@meta3.net x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard - --------------957F25FE6A14818D33491A4A-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:18:12 -0700 From: Josh Shaw Subject: Re: DG: Feh.. > Christian Conkle wrote: > > > Now to get on with it. I was talking to Dennis Detwiller on the phone on > > Friday afternoon when he mentioned he'd like to see more of what we, as > > Delta Green GM's, would like to see published from their company. > A source book on modern paranoid fantasies. Montauk, the Philadelphia Experiment, HAARP, Remote Viewing, MKULTRA, Tesla Machines (and who or what was Tesla anyway) & who shot down KAL007 and TWA800 anyway? You know, the more extreme versions of what Art Bell and alt.conspiracy are pushing. Black Helicopters: Your UN dollars at work or something *worse*? - ------Josh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:29:56 -0700 From: paposehn@juno.com (Phil A Posehn) Subject: Re: DG: Feh.. On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:45:10 -0500 (CDT) Tenebrous Technologies writes: > >>A Tales of Terror style chapbook filled with dozens of short one-page >>scenario ideas, each with three different endings. Grabbing people >from >>the list to write 'em up would be a great idea, though it might go >>against some Pagan policies, and there's all that sticky stuff with >>copyrights and such. Stupid laws. > >I'd certainly love to contribute to something like that. I love coming >up >with those silly things. ;) I also. Let me know if and when. Phil _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:39:29 -0700 From: Lech Von Oxen Subject: DG: Re: Sign of the Times, Ver. 2.0 Hmmmmmm... good point. However, both my buddy (a DG friendly) and I saw the sign and commented on its conspiratorial nature. Sure, it could have been the beer, but my guess is that it's there for all to see. It's only strange because everyone *sees* it, yet no one *recognizes* it. Moreso, yes, as far is the world is concerned, I am the delusional one. But you're the one listening to what I'm saying... Lech out. Tom Smith wrote: > > The question is, are you the only one who saw it? > > Don't assume the subliminals have stopped just because you saw it. You > know more than the fans around you, you know what to look for now. They > may have seen a harmless beer commercial for all you know. > > And the worst part is, as far as the world knows, your the delusional one. > > Koala ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:40:03 -0400 From: Daniel Harms Subject: Re: DG: Re: Two thingies to consider At 10:52 PM 8/10/98 +0100, you wrote: > >Irem the city of pillars is mentioned several times in Lovecraft, though >there is a specifficially Lovecraftian lost city called The Nameless City, >the story is p.129 in the second Lovecraft omnibus from Harper Collins. >Irem, city of pillars rings a bell as a historical city, I remember reading >an article in Dragon magazine (it would have been '94/'95) about it. It has >the air of a historical site, but I've checked my New Larousse >Encyclopedia of Mythology, Encyclopedia Britainica, Funk and Wagnall >and the other usual suspects and came up with bubkis, nada. >Lovecraft's love for making a pudding of historical, pseudo-historical and >fictional places/names/gods is well known, so Irem could still be real, >maybe I'm checking the wrong sources. He stole stuff from the Book of >Dyzan by Madame Bravatsky, so that could be it. [snip] a) Lovecraft, sad to say, didn't take anything from the Book of Dzyan. He published a few stories including what he had heard about it, and it's uncertain whether he ever saw it (and if so, it was in his last few months). b) Irem is a variant spelling used by Lovecraft; the more common one is Iram. There are indeed references to it in the Arabian Nights, as well as the Koran. I think someone's already posted on the Ubar parallel, so I won't go into that. Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu "Wool is wool. Wool is a pack of lies." -- Richard S. Shaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:03:41 -0700 From: Lech Von Oxen Subject: DG: Cthulhunicity Hi all, Played hookey from work today and did a number of Lovecraft inspired things: 1. Picked up Primus' new ep, which contains a cover of Metallica's "The Thing That Should Not Be." Most Lovecraft. Most excellent. 2. Picked up Pagan's "Mortal Coils" and damn near read the thing from cover to cover. Thus, I say this to the Pagan team: well done! Once again your work rises above and beyond the norm. It's just too bad I'm not a millionaire who can give you all raises. 3. Figured out that, once I find a good gaming group, I am going to run a pre-WWII campaign including many items found in the books "Delta Green," "Realm of Shadows" and "Mortal Coils." Although the adventures in "Mortal Coils" are mostly set in the 1920s, they could be easily moved to the Depression setting found in "Realm of Shadows," and give a good nod to the idea of a private group cruising around investigating paranormal occurences. I will, of course, post information regarding this new campaign setting (rife with pre-war paranoia and confusion) once it gets rolling, but for the moment you're going to have to be satisfied with "The Queen..." 4. Wondered what would happen if a Glovecleaner posted a snippet of some Mythos tome to a mailing list such as this. How would DG deal with the sudden, rash insanities occurring across the globe as innocent gamers such as us suddenly and inexplicably come into our first Mythos contact? Yeah, sure, we think we're all informed and sane, but has anyone actually *seen* a recipe for the resurrection of our dead relatives? Ugh. This heat is too much, and makes my head hurt. Oh wait, that's the hole I drilled in my temple last week... Never mind. Lech out. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:32:29 -0700 From: "JimmieBise,Jr" Subject: Re: Re: DG: Feh.. Dennis, Well, I would suppose that I speak for the entire Mailing List when I say that you have here a Legion of Minions ready to do your bidding for little to nothing. You need ideas and such for sourcebooks, we'll swamp ya! You need that pesky copyright lawyer silenced..we'll...umm.no wait...:-) Either way, my friend, who is also on this mailing list hooked me to DG in the first couple weeks of it's release, and I'm still hooked. It's a good product made by a great company, and anything I or anyone can do here to help, well, we will. - -Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:39:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Chards@webtv.net (Christopher Reeve) Subject: Re: DG: Accountability - --WebTV-Mail-466484824-5 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Thanks for the translation. Keep fighting the good fight! Death to all who oppose us! We fight for the light and some times the price is shattering. May the Bright and Shining Ones watch us , Always. Regards, Dr. Chards Ashton - --WebTV-Mail-466484824-5 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit If Superman could stop a speeding bullet with his chest, how come he always ducked when someone threw a gun at him? - --WebTV-Mail-466484824-5-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:47:25 EDT From: PaganArt@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: DG: Feh.. I'd just like to let everyone know we are always looking for submissions, from this chat group doubly so- Many of the things I have read here such as "The Queen in Red", The Army of the Yellow Sign and others have made me downright jealous! Me, Scott and John are constantly pleased by the success and vigor shown on this discussion group, and we at Pagan thank you. Now get off yer buts and write us some stuff! ;>) "Jesus saves- Cthulhu saves you for later-" Dennis Detwiller Second Gunman/Silly Rabbit/Art Director Pagan Publishing Plotting the Downfall of Humanity since 1990 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0700 (PDT) From: scott cleverdon Subject: Re: Re: DG: Feh.. You gentlemen are what all the other publishers should be aspiring to. Quality that is, not having the ordering department in the lavatory. regards > It's cool ;>) It's equally frustrating on this side too when people assume >we're a big company. We routinely get phone calls asking for the "Publisher's >Office" or the "Ordering Department", which is usually answered "Hold on he's >in the toilet". Scott Cleverdon Mercenary of the Occult "just when you think you're being too paranoid, you aren't being nearly paranoid enough..." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:49:33 -0400 (EDT) From: John Petherick Subject: Re: DG: Arabic Campaign? At 09:39 AM 8/11/98 -0700, you wrote: >> Could make for an interesting (if slightly Indiana Jones-ish) campaign. > >The Ark of the Covenant is in Ethiopia. > >See "The Sign and the Seal: The Quest for the Lost Ark of the Covenant" Graham >Hancock (Crown Publishers Inc/New York/1992 ISBN 0-517-57813-1 US22.00) . On >the other hand, while Hancock sounds rational enough in this, his first book, >his subsequent work on the Sphinx and ancient civilizations (Fingerprints of >the Gods et al) tend to qualify him as a stone raving loony. > >Still, more than true enough for Cthulhu.... > Actually, Hancock started to lose me when he theorized that the Ark was a form of fusion power generator built using Egyptian magical / scientific principles that Moses had learned as a boy. These magical principles actually originating from Atlantis, which were preserved by the refugees who settled Egypt (explaining how the Egyptians built the pyramids, etc. by using these generators to power some form of unidentified lifting device). ********************************************************************* John Petherick, CIH jpetheri@cyberbeach.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:54:19 -0400 (EDT) From: John Petherick Subject: DG: Other Lovecraft stuff Is anyone else eagerly awaiting "Cults across America" from Atlas games? Just think, forming your own Cthulhu cult to rule the United States .... Also, the last issue of "Science Fiction Age" had a Mythos story which could be worked into a DG campaign. Without giving too much away, a physicist received hints from Yog-Sothoth which indirectly leads to the "opening of the way" and the first step to the return of the Great Old Ones. ********************************************************************* John Petherick, CIH jpetheri@cyberbeach.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:16:17 -0700 (PDT) From: scott cleverdon Subject: DG: Phobias An interesting list of phobias to be found at the site below: http://www.sonic.net/~fredd/phobia1.html A few examples: Ancraophobia or Anemophobia- Fear of wind. Anemophobia- Fear of air drafts or wind. Anginophobia- Fear of angina, choking or narrowness. Anglophobia- Fear of England, English culture, etc. Angrophobia - Fear of becoming angry. Ankylophobia- Fear of immobility of a joint. Anthrophobia or Anthophobia- Fear of flowers. Anuptaphobia- Fear of staying single. Apeirophobia- Fear of infinity. Aphenphosmphobia- Fear of being touched. (Haphephobia) Apiphobia- Fear of bees. Apotemnophobia- Fear of persons with amputations. Arachibutyrophobia- Fear of peanut butter sticking to the roof of the mouth. The B-section, oddly appropriate: Blennophobia- Fear of slime. Bogyphobia- Fear of bogies or the bogeyman. Bromidrosiphobia or Bromidrophobia- Fear of body smells. Brontophobia- Fear of thunder and lightning. Bufonophobia- Fear of toads. The X's speaks for themselves Xanthophobia- Fear of the color yellow or the word yellow. Xenophobia- Fear of strangers or foreigners. Xerophobia- Fear of dryness. Scott Cleverdon Mercenary of the Occult "just when you think you're being too paranoid, you aren't being nearly paranoid enough..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:47:50 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: Indies and other stuff AARGH! I had 3 or 4 messages to post and my email program crashed. Lost them all. Well, I'm going to be responding to some people without being able to quote or even remember who they were, because I already deleted the messages. Anyway, here goes. First, a couple of ideas for "indie" campaigns. One mentioned was Saucerwatch (maybe by Dennis Detwiller?), and the ideas about indies going up against MJ-12 and DG, both (Shane Ivey, I think). Saucerwatch is excellent for this. They're already watched by "the Feds," so they know they can't do anything blatant, like blowing stuff up. Nobody's going to cover up for them. Their asses are hanging out in the wind, so they really have to watch their step. DG and MJ-12 will block them, manipulate them, use them for disinformation, "disappear" them. At the same time, really clever players will find a way to turn the tables and manipulate DG and MJ-12. Sounds fantastic. Only thing: if I'm going to play, I want my group driving around in a 60s flower-child VW van, with a Great Dane for a mascot. Then there was some talk about Golden Dawn, and whether it was appropriate to discuss it here. Of course it is! Everything is grist for the paranoia-mill. (Hey, did you ever notice, Golden Dawn=GD; Delta Green=DG. Huh? HUH?!) Besides, who's to say that the Golden Dawn really died? (Well, all the reputable historians, I guess--ah, to heck with them!) Here's my paranoid fantasy: Yeats and other "true believer" core members saw how all the petty infighting was destroying the GD, so they formed a secret council and allowed the GD to disintigrate. Publicly, they resigned and sometimes even repudiated the GD. They may have even instigated some of the scandals as cover--they may even have been working with the Horos couple. Then they formed a totally secret GD. In the wake of their exposure to the Mythos (in the course of adventures in the sourcebook), they formed a new mission, to learn more about the Mythos and to sometimes undertake investigations to combat it. Today, they remain completely secret, which is very easy with the proliferation of copycat/fake Golden Dawn and Rosicrucian societies to serve as smokescreens. This allows for a more traditional CoC campaign while still having an organizing factor. Plus, you've got minor magics and a real "gentlemen and ladies" kind of society. Getting DG and MJ-12 in there is slightly problematic, but not too difficult. I can even foresee a GD/DG alliance, but it would never last--the GD is too concerned with morality to long tolerate some of the nastier sides of DG. The Karotechia and other cults are natural adversaries for the GD, and, who knows, maybe a certain Mr. Northcote survived the 19th century and has his own organization now. Re: Graham Hancock. Looney is a good description. His latest seems to be about the Face on Mars (not Mar's face--that was only a rumor...now, Mar, put down that rock, it was only a joke!). I guess he's going to try to connect his ancient civilization with Mars--do they come from Mars, now? Anyway, I tried Fingerprints and found it to be rotten source material. His theories are crap, yet he doesn't go far enough to make anything really worth culling and putting in the game. What a disappointment. But back to signal: I see in my recent issues of The Planetary Report and Ad Astra that NASA has released the latest photos of the Face, and it doesn't look anything like a face anymore. It was just a trick of shadows, dust, etc. Of course, that's what we EXPECT them to say. Obviously some MJ-12 flunky got to them. So, ADVENTURE SEED: NASA photo expert on the run, with incontrovertible proof of a civilization on Mars (mining it, of course), either in the distant past or right now--your choice. MJ-12 wants to kill him for defying them. DG might want to kill him, too, to shut him up, but we need his info. Good moral ambiguity for the players to deal with--do we smoke him or not? Do we lock him up, violating his constitutional rights, silence him, whatever? Right, and now a little noise: There was some SAN-busting thing on Japanese TV the other night, Elton John's birthday or something, everything rigidly scripted from start to finish while trying to make out that it was all spontaneous and fun. Looked like typical entertainment in Carcosa. Anyway, the Spice Girls were there (apparently, this happened before Enormous Cleavage Spice, I mean Geri, quit), and they sang "I got you, babe" with Elton John, which caused me to claw for the remote control in fevered desperation. So, having gotten in late, here's my entries: Cyclopean Spice Fantastically Gibbeous Spice (I remember looking those adjectives up in high school when I first encountered them in Lovecraft's works. Took me years to find cyclopean in a dictionary. And now, when I'm out for a walk, I sometimes look up and say to myself, "Ah, a gibbeous moon. Fantastically gibbeous, that is.") David Farnell Vincit Omnia Veritas ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V1 #98 *******************************