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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:56:46 +0900
From: "David Farnell" <daf@iwa.att.ne.jp>
Subject: RE: DG: Arabic Campaign? (The Ark)

- -----Original Message-----
差出人 : John Petherick <jpetheri@cyberbeach.net>
宛先 : Delta Green List <deltagreen@nocturne.org>
日時 : 1998年8月12日 12:55
件名 : Re: DG: Arabic Campaign?


Agent Petherick wrote:

>Actually, Hancock started to lose me when he theorized that the Ark was a
>form of fusion power generator built using Egyptian magical / scientific
>principles that Moses had learned as a boy.  These magical principles
>actually originating from Atlantis, which were preserved by the refugees
who
>settled Egypt (explaining how the Egyptians built the pyramids, etc. by
>using these generators to power some form of unidentified lifting device).

Heh, almost makes me want to read it. Actually, I read that the Ark really
DOES exist in Ethiopia, at least according to the Ethiopians. In fact, they
wondered what all the fuss was about after Hancock's book came out, but all
the tour guides can quote from the book now. They'll show you the building
where it's kept--apparently looks like a concrete bunker, very disappointing
compared with the fantastic cathedrals and other architecture that abound in
the area. The Ethiopean Church has a lot of very interesting stuff, worth
looking into.

David Farnell

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:52:36 GMT0BST
From: Robert Thomas <ThomasR@cardiff.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: DG: Indies and other stuff

> From:          David Farnell <daf@iwa.att.ne.jp>
> To:            Delta Green List <deltagreen@nocturne.org>
> Subject:       DG: Indies and other stuff
> Date:          Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:47:50 +0900
> Reply-to:      Delta Green List <deltagreen@nocturne.org>

<deletia>

 Only thing: if I'm going to play, I want my group driving
> around in a 60s flower-child VW van, with a Great Dane for a mascot.

<more deletia>

IIRC someone posted characteristics for the Scooby Doo gang to 
alt.horror.cthulhu a while back and its been mentioned recently might 
be worth having a look to see if they are there if you really want to 
play a character called Shaggy.

if you find them post them!

Rob
J.R.E.Thomas.
Science Library PC Room Advisor ext 6135 / 5128.
MScII City and Regional Planning Student.
ThomasR@cardiff.ac.uk

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:23:38 -0400
From: 2ndMaus <detwiler@andrew.dcr.net>
Subject: Re: DG: Paranoia films(Sign of the Times, Ver. 2.0)

Florian Hanke wrote:

> So, are there some more paranoia-inducing films out there??

Hudson Hawk
Total Recall (um, ok...better off reading PK Dick, talk about paranoid)
Neighbors
Naked Lunch
The Thing (Carpenter's version)
Heinlein's The Puppet Masters ("I want your men to set up a challenge-and-respond
at 100 meters and put a bullet through anyone who comes within 50
meters")--Christ, this movie _is_ a DG scenario.

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:37:25 -0400
From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price)
Subject: Re: DG: Cthulhunicity

Lech wrote:

>Yeah, sure, we think we're all informed and sane, but has anyone
>actually *seen* a recipe for the resurrection of our dead relatives?

Er, oddly enough it was (sort of) in:

Wilmut et al. (1997) Viable offspring derived from fetal and adult
mammalian cells. Nature. 1997 Feb 27; 385(6619): 810-813. :)

Yes, the famous "Dolly paper" (he said with a manic grin!). Incidentally
the expurgated version of the Grey's "Cookbook" exists in in almost every
molecular biology lab in the world (look at the description: 3 thick books
in a ringbinder made from an alien material [which resists conc. HCl: I can
prove it!] - it's Maniatis' "molecular cloning: a laboratory manual": it
even has a few yellow blobs on the cover, which if you squint *hard* enough
at them late at night....). The likeness is too spooky to be coincidence.

Still better get back to my masterplan for global domination using
recombinant viruses. So much to clone, so little time.

Graeme

graemep@immag.mcg.edu

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:46:45 -0400
From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price)
Subject: Re: DG: Paranoia films(Sign of the Times, Ver. 2.0)

>> So, are there some more paranoia-inducing films out there??
>
>Hudson Hawk
Paranoia?! Having to sit through that turkey was bad enough!

>Total Recall (um, ok...better off reading PK Dick, talk about paranoid)

Bladerunner - the directors cut (not the silly voice over version with the
happy ending)

>Neighbors
Aaarg! Not the Australian soap opera, surely!!

How about:
Capricorn One (MJ-12 fakes Mars landings)
Invasion of the Bodysnatchers (The version with Donald Sutherland and
Leonard Nimoy: the ultimate paranoia film EVER!)
The Boys from Brazil
Logan's Run (I'm 27 and ageing fast: I can relate to that film)
Soylent Green
The Usual Suspects
Fantastic Voyage (maybe not paranoia, but anyone injecting a miniturised
Donald Pleasance into me for *any* reason would give me the screaming
abdabs!)

Graeme

graemep@immag.mcg.edu

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:14:53 CST6CDT
From: "MARK KLINGER" <mklinger@GP.AS.UA.EDU>
Subject: Re: DG: Paranoia Films

Christian Conkle wrote:
> 
> Very few movies also deal with the "Consipiracy" (greys/MJ-12/ufos, etc.).
> Again, series like X-Files, the Invaders, Project Blue Book, Dark Skies, and
> even pseudo-documentaries like "In Search Of.." or The Learning Channel just
> about any night of the week (should be called the UFO channel by now).  Most
> movies about alien abduction and whatnot generally make light of the whole
> issue. Of course, Close Encounters of the Third Kind is far and away the the
> best. There's also a cheesy one with Charlie Sheen that I can't remember, I
> never saw it (probably for good reason). 
> 
The movie with Charlie Sheen is "The Arrival", and I actually thought 
it was very good.  It came out the same summer as Independence Day (2 
years ago?) and was grossly over shadowed by ID4.  However, I thought 
it was an infinitely better movie.  It is very good and mildly 
Lovecraftian in flavor -- a scientist (an audio-astronomer, I'm sure 
that is a special term for this, but it escapes me right now), 
notices a little signal that he shouldn't. His curiousity gets the 
best of him, and he gets in deep doodoo.  Quite fun, and quite 
paranoid.

With mild alterations (so the aliens are more like Mi-Go), this would 
make a lovely DG mini-campaign.

...mark klinger

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:48:34 PDT
From: "Phil Ward" <pward83@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: DG: Paranoia Films

>From: "MARK KLINGER" <mklinger@GP.AS.UA.EDU>
<snip>
>The movie with Charlie Sheen is "The Arrival", and I actually thought 
>it was very good.  It came out the same summer as Independence Day (2 
>years ago?) and was grossly over shadowed by ID4.  However, I thought 
>it was an infinitely better movie.  It is very good and mildly 
>Lovecraftian in flavor -- a scientist (an audio-astronomer, I'm sure 
>that is a special term for this, but it escapes me right now), 
>notices a little signal that he shouldn't. His curiousity gets the 
>best of him, and he gets in deep doodoo.  Quite fun, and quite 
>paranoid.

I'm glad to see someone else enjoyed that movie, I was going to
keep my mouth shut, but...
Rent it cheap on video and steal a few ideas from it, if nothing
else, it's worth watching to see the crnige-making way in which
the aliens move.

Phil Ward

PS. shouldn't that be radio-astronomer?

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:03:01 -0700
From: alank@shermanloan.com (Alan L. Krause)
Subject: Re: DG: Paranoia films(Sign of the Times, Ver. 2.0)

At 09:46 AM 8/12/98 -0400, Graeme Price wrote:
>How about:
>Capricorn One (MJ-12 fakes Mars landings)

Great movie! Haven't seen it in ages, but the rattlesnake scene will always
stay with me... (Tastes like chicken!)

>Soylent Green

A favorite Twilight Zone episode of mine has always been "To Serve Man"...

Alan

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to realize it bears a very close resemblance to the first." 
- -General Alekandr Kerensky

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:38:39 -0500
From: Shane Ivey <sivey@ebsco.com>
Subject: DG: GD v. DG?

<<Then they formed a totally secret GD. In the wake of their exposure to
the Mythos (in the course of adventures in the sourcebook), they formed
a new mission, to learn more about the Mythos and to sometimes undertake
investigations to combat it.>>

As a rabid lover of FOUCOULT'S PENDULUM, I was intrigued by the
treatment of secret societies in Nephilim (though I didn't care for the
tone of the game; one sure-fire way to keep a player from being scared
is to tell her that her character will turn into an elf [not ELF] if she
uses her superpowers enough).  I'm hoping that the Cult of Transcendence
section in COUNTDOWN will describe the "real" Illuminati around which
all the modern kooky Freemason theories flow; there could be a natural
progression from GD to the modern Illuminati, with a stop-off at the
Thule Gunderschafft (sp??) and the proto-Karotechia in-between.


Shane Ivey
croakerjr@aol.com
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6580/dg.htm

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:30:20 -0700
From: Christian Conkle <ConkleC@nwrel.org>
Subject: RE: DG: Indies and other stuff

	IIRC someone posted characteristics for the Scooby Doo gang to 
	alt.horror.cthulhu a while back and its been mentioned recently
might 
	be worth having a look to see if they are there if you really want
to 
	play a character called Shaggy.


(heh, the Insects from Shaggy) I made stats for "Them Kids and That Dog!"
for my Ghostbusters campaign a few years ago. Heh, They make great rivals.
Alright alright, I'll stop now!
- -----------------------------------------------------
Christian Conkle
Web Development Specialist
Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory

work: conklec@nwrel.org
home: conkle@europa.com
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:09:13 -0000
From: "Crossingham, Adam" <Adam.Crossingham@Octavian1009.E-MAIL.COM>
Subject: DG: Weapons Compendium reprint?

I'd certainly 2nd or 3rd the requests for another edition/reprint of
Pagan's Weapon Compendium (it's the largest hole in my Pagan
collection). But wasn't there a clause in the Pagan CoC licence that
limits them to selling it via the post?

- --
Adam Crossingham

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:35:59 -0000
From: "Crossingham, Adam" <Adam.Crossingham@Octavian1009.E-MAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: DG: Arabic Campaign?

Graeme Price writes:
<<< Plus any one of a number of biblical cities that you could work
something
around (Soddam and Gemorrah [sic, probably] leap to mind). >>>

I remember a news story some years back that the site of Sodom or
Gomorrah (I can't remember which) had actually been found, or rather the
archaeologists thought they had a site on the southern coast of Saudi
Arabia that might be a possible candidate.

Either way the Saudis are extremely reluctant to allow westerners and
non-Muslims into the region to confirm the findings, as they regard
themselves as the guardians of Islam. Having the ruins of a city that
was smited by God is the last thing that they want to advertise. 

Any investigators trying to reach such a site can expect:
	* massive bureaucratic delays, interference and irrelevant red
tape in triplicate
	* closed zones within Saudi Arabia forbidden to westerners,
non-Muslims and non-Saudi Arabians
	* a well armed and competent military force
	* a religious police
	* an alien and hostile environment
	* and if the investigators get past these obstacles they may
have to face ferocious and suspicious Bedouin tribes, and Mythos
entities

<<<  (and just  what were the SAS doing out there in the late 50's,
early 60's when they
were supposedly fighting communist insurgents?). >>>

The SAS were in Oman until the 1970s. And a small but significant part
of the British Army still are, seconded, to the Omani army, including a
permanent detachment of SAS. It is very popular as the Sultan pays the
Local Overseas Allowance, and it's more than you get in Germany :)

- --
Adam Crossingham

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:26:23 EDT
From: PaganArt@aol.com
Subject: Re:  DG: GD v. DG?

Shane wrote:

<<Thule Gunderschafft (sp??) and the proto-Karotechia in-between.>>

I think it's Thule (pronounced TOOL-eh) Geselleschaft.

"Jesus saves-
  Cthulhu saves you for later-"

Dennis Detwiller
Second Gunman/Silly Rabbit/Art Director
Pagan Publishing
Plotting the Downfall of Humanity since 1990

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:29:22 EDT
From: PaganArt@aol.com
Subject: Re:  DG: Weapons Compendium reprint?

Adam wrote:

<<But wasn't there a clause in the Pagan CoC licence that
limits them to selling it via the post?>>


Yes, unfortunately, there is, unless we want to pay a licensing fee and print
it as a regular book, and frankly, I'd rather print source material and
scenarios.  

"Jesus saves-
  Cthulhu saves you for later-"

Dennis Detwiller
Second Gunman/Silly Rabbit/Art Director
Pagan Publishing
Plotting the Downfall of Humanity since 1990

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:16:28 -0400
From: "Kaminari" <kaminari@southeast.net>
Subject: DG: Policy of information...

I was wondering what exactly the feeling is on sending images & audio to the
mailing list as they do take up a bit of room. Most of it can occupy our
secure website, but some information is just too sensitive...

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:19:07 -0700
From: The Saint of Killers <stofkillers@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: DG: Feh..

PaganArt@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Florian-
> 
>   In reference to MI-5 and other foreign agencies, many of these will be
> covered in DELTA GREEN: COUNTDOWN.

Will this bad news in Great Britain be covered there?

Further, one wonders if it has anything to do with a certain plot line
that ran through another certain Pagan Publishing book, whose initials
are the same as Delta Green's, but reversed.

SoK

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:27:33 -0700
From: The Saint of Killers <stofkillers@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: DG: Feh..

Phil A Posehn wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:45:10 -0500 (CDT) Tenebrous Technologies
> <tenebrae@earthling.net> writes:
> >
> >>A Tales of Terror style chapbook filled with dozens of short one-page
> >>scenario ideas, each with three different endings. Grabbing people
> >from
> >>the list to write 'em up would be a great idea, though it might go
> >>against some Pagan policies, and there's all that sticky stuff with
> >>copyrights and such. Stupid laws.
> >
> >I'd certainly love to contribute to something like that. I love coming
> >up
> >with those silly things. ;)
> 
> I also. Let me know if and when.

Looks like the fans all agree on one thing. :P 

Even if Pagan is unable to print a book of our ideas (I'm not even sure
if the idea is feasable. I've had a bad experience where I put up an
idea online, then was contacted by someone who said they'd publish it,
if it hadn't been put online first.) I think that this list is an
excellent way to communicate these ideas. If anyone is up for it, just
post 'em with a warning in the subject. Like we have the DG warning for
the list, maybe you could add ToT after DG, so everyone knows it's a
'tale of terror' that a GM might use.

Just an idea. Of course, if someone reads this and says, "Of course we
can use your ideas! Just e-mail them to me, and we'll put them all in a
book without even proofreading them!" then I suppose this idea is made
moot. (The previous sentence is a joke referring to the fact that I
don't beleive it's about to happen, NOT commenting on anyone's poor
grammatical use. :P )

SoK

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:02:27 +0100
From: "Clairr O'Connor & Kevin Honan" <spire@indigo.ie>
Subject: DG: Re: Re: Sign of the Times, Ver. 2.0

> 
> >FPG
> >
> >The Friendly Power Company
> >
> >Know who your friends are
> >
> 
> Well...what did you expect? Nyarlathotech? :-)
> 
> -Jim


What about microsoft and The Nerd That Should Not Be.

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:01:36 +0100
From: "Clairr O'Connor & Kevin Honan" <spire@indigo.ie>
Subject: Re: DG: Feh..

> Christian wrote:
> 
> >Now to get on with it. I was talking to Dennis Dertwiller on the phone
on
> >Friday afternoon when he mentioned he'd like to see more of what we, as
> >Delta Green GM's, would like to see published from their company.
> 
> Namedropper!

> and the later
> Vietnam era stuff (probably a bit of a contentious area for many people
> here).

Very, very contentious indeed, one of the reasons Recon/Advanced Recon
never sold well in Ireland.


 As someone else said, reprinting the weapons compendium would be
> good too.

Now thats a good idea.
 
> How about
> blank handout forms? Things with the authentic-looking classification
> stamps and headers that could just be printed over to make neat handouts?
> Long campaign scenarios (like Walker or Masks) in a DG setting would be
> good too (plenty of handouts please). Perhaps I'm just being lazy here
> though.

Handouts are very cool. A Brief Resection of Time, is a Chaosium supplemnt
that really went over board with handouts and it was outstanding.
Generating a real paper trail if you don't have access to desktop
publishing facilites (even if you have given my computer's penchant for
f*ucking me over royally when it thinks my back is turned). Plus handouts
are like minatures or other "goo-gaws" in board games, they determine the
"rattle value" of the book. Players love it (at least mine do) when they
have to do some "real" detective work.
					Regards, 
						Eamon

 

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:18:32 +0100
From: "Clairr O'Connor & Kevin Honan" <spire@indigo.ie>
Subject: Re: Re: DG: Feh..

> 
> You gentlemen are what all the other publishers should be aspiring to.
> Quality that is, not having the ordering department in the lavatory.

Don't knock it if you haven't tried it.

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:14:02 +0100
From: "Clairr O'Connor & Kevin Honan" <spire@indigo.ie>
Subject: Re: DG: Indies and other stuff

> 
> IIRC someone posted characteristics for the Scooby Doo gang to 
> alt.horror.cthulhu a while back and its been mentioned recently might 
> be worth having a look to see if they are there if you really want to 
> play a character called Shaggy.
> 

There was a Scooby Doo/CoC crossover at an Irish con (I think it was
LugCon) last year. Apparently it was a lot of fun. I just have straneg and
twisted visions of what happens when the investigators try to remove
Cthulhu's mask.

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:11:03 +0100
From: "Clairr O'Connor & Kevin Honan" <spire@indigo.ie>
Subject: Re: DG: Re: Two thingies to consider

> [snip]
> 
> a)  Lovecraft, sad to say, didn't take anything from the Book of Dzyan.
> He published a few stories including what he had heard about it, and
> it's uncertain whether he ever saw it (and if so, it was in his last few 
> months).

I'll take your word for it, I'm just going on what's written in Robert
M.Price's introduction of "The Book of Iod". 

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:27:22 EDT
From: PaganArt@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: DG: Feh..

SoK wrote:

<<will the bad news in Great Britain be covered there?>>

Yes it, will, and no it has nothing to do with the Golden Dawn stuff...


"Jesus saves-
  Cthulhu saves you for later-"

Dennis Detwiller
Second Gunman/Silly Rabbit/Art Director
Pagan Publishing
Plotting the Downfall of Humanity since 1990

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Date: 12 Aug 98 11:43 GMT
From: FRANK M ADAMS <FRANK.M.ADAMS@slchicago.infonet.com>
Subject: DG: Paranoia films / Stuff I'd like to see.../ Indies

Hello all,

This post covers a few different subjects, so please bear with me.

First a response to Christian Conkle who posts some great stuff, but here 
he wrote something I have to respond to:
     
<<Of course, Close Encounters of the Third Kind is far and away the the best. 
There's also a cheesy one with Charlie Sheen that I can't remember, I never 
saw it (probably for good reason).>>

The movie was "The Arrival" and I have to say, while not Oscar material, is a  
well done (and even well acted) sci-fi thriller. I found it very enjoyable and 
have watched it a few times. My wife even enjoyed it and she usually doesn't 
like that kind of stuff. I recommend watching it if you get the chance.

Secondly, I've talked to Dennis as well (what a guy, a great artist AND good 
phone manners) and am not surprised that Pagan wants to hear what we want. 
It's amazing that not only does Pagan put out THE best stuff on the market, 
but they actually want to know what we would like to see next! Just great, 
keep up the great work and I'll keep buying it.

As for what I'd like to see, a lot of it has been covered already by others or 
will be in COUNTDOWN. But one thing no one has mentioned and I'd like to see 
explored (since I've been wanting to myself for sometime) is what the Serpent 
People are up to. The Mi-Go's, Greys, The Fate and Karotechia are great, but 
the Serpent People have been around FOREVER and with their life-spans, command 
of magic and ties to the Dreamlands I'm sure they're knee (tail?) deep in most 
of the major conspiracies now and over the years. I can't help but imagine 
that there must be some amazing outposts of their civilization left in the 
most remote and inaccessible jungles around the world. 

Perhaps a Karotechia-Serpent connection could be made...the K base is 
relatively near the largest, most mysterious rain forest/jungle in the world. 
Not to mention the Ghoul-Serpent connection through the Dreamlands...maybe the 
Serpentfolk are supporting the new renegades in order to create dissention and 
possibly subjegate/weaken their old neighbors through civil war?

A great indie tie-in for the Serpent Folk would be someone trained by a 
mysterious mentor (Serpent Man) as a talented well-versed investigator 
checking on Mythos things that were too dangerous for the SM to look into 
himself. This same investigator or even group of indies could run into 
DG/MJ-12 teams and while not as well equipped or funded, could make up for it 
with a spell here and there or a mythos artifact (provided by their mentor, of 
course). I use a team like this as NPCs to frustrate my players (when I get to 
play!). Of course YMMV.

Lastly, as for running indies as main characters, I just ran a solo campaign a 
few months ago in which the character wasn't in DG, but was being used by them 
as a patsy. He was 2/3 through it before he realized that he not only wasn't 
working for who they said they were, he wasn't even working for who he THOUGHT 
they were either. After confronting his DG contact with evidence, he was given 
a bit of explanation and an offer to join DG. He accepted, but trusted them 
even less than before. He eventually approached MJ-12 (after learning of their 
existence while playing) and offered to help expose what he genuinely 
considered "a group of dangerous and possibly unbalanced agents working within 
the U.S. Government". Before the double-double-cross could occur, he was 
eliminated by his DG contact's Cell Leader for being more talented and 
dangerous than the DG contact had anticipated.

It worked great and was loads of fun. One of these days, I'll actually get 
around to introducing him to DG the regular way. ;)

Whew! That's enough for now, later everyone.

Frank
frank.m.adams@slchicago.infonet.com

p.s. More Queen in Red!

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:17:26 EDT
From: PaganArt@aol.com
Subject: Re:  DG: Paranoia films / Stuff I'd like to see.../ Indies

The Serpent Man stuff is interesting, some of these ideas were presented (just
a tiny bit though) in John H. Crowe's epic Walker in the Wastes.  The idea
certainly deserves some coverage.  Does anyone know any stories on the subject
that are worth while?


And Frank, thanks for the kind words.


"Jesus saves-
  Cthulhu saves you for later-"

Dennis Detwiller
Second Gunman/Silly Rabbit/Art Director
Pagan Publishing
Plotting the Downfall of Humanity since 1990

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:03:54 -0700
From: The Saint of Killers <stofkillers@earthlink.net>
Subject: DG: GD. New ritual/spell.

The Rose Cross ritual.

Prerequisite: Pentagram ritual. Hexagram ritual.
Cost: 5.

This is yet another variant on the basic Pentagram ritual, but has much
more use than that ritual, and as such, takes much longer to perform. It
requires a lengthly and complex ritual involving walking about the room
to be consecrated with the four elemental weapons and placing various
things in the four corners. The result is that magicks can be used in
the so-consecrated room without attracting the attention of astral
beings. It also creates a minor sanctum of calm, where meditation can be
performed and balance regained.
System: If successfully performed, the area within the room becomes
invisible in the astral realm. This means that the chances of accidently
calling up a Hound of Tindalos is much, much smaller. (If a critical
failure is made on the summoning, then reroll. Only if a critical
failure is made on the reroll does the hound take notice.) It also gives
summoners of astral paracites an advantage over those summoned, as the
elemental beings cannot see them. Finally, in a room consecrated by the
Rose Cross ritual, one can meditate, regaining one sanity point for
every 1d4 hours in quiet contemplation.

I just felt the need. :P Assuming there's no horrible backlash for
sticking GD stuff up on a DG list, I'll get around to putting up my
qabala stuff later this week.

SoK

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:42:50 -0700
From: paposehn@juno.com (Phil A Posehn)
Subject: Re: DG: Feh..

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:47:25 EDT PaganArt@aol.com writes:
>I'd just like to let everyone know we are always looking for 
>submissions, from
>this chat group doubly so-  
>  Now get off yer buts and write us some stuff!


So why not post Ms guidelines here?
Phil

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:19:40 -0700
From: paposehn@juno.com (Phil A Posehn)
Subject: Re: DG: Arabic Campaign?

Another possible hazard to investigators is all of the unexploded
ordinance since the '91 attempt to bomb Babylon back into the stone age.

Is it REALLY a coincidence that between Viet Nam and desert storm the two
"cradles of civilization" are so saturated with unexploded bombs and
shells that digging is a nightmare??

Be seeing you,

Phil

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:48:25 -0700
From: paposehn@juno.com (Phil A Posehn)
Subject: Re: DG: Other Lovecraft stuff

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:54:19 -0400 (EDT) John Petherick
<jpetheri@cyberbeach.net> writes:
>Is anyone else eagerly awaiting "Cults across America" from Atlas 
>games?
>Just think, forming your own Cthulhu cult to rule the United States 

Yes. I also hear from undisclosed sources that a deal is being worked out
to reissue the legendary "Arkham Horror".

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:45:57 -0700
From: paposehn@juno.com (Phil A Posehn)
Subject: Re: DG: Feh..

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0700 (PDT) scott cleverdon
<clever1@earthlink.net> writes:
.  We routinely get phone calls asking for the 
>"Publisher's
>>Office" or the "Ordering Department", which is usually answered "Hold 
>on he's
>>in the toilet".  

Better than some other companies where the Ordering Department is heavily
staffed and the product line is in the toilet!

Phil

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:29:08 -0700
From: paposehn@juno.com (Phil A Posehn)
Subject: Re: DG: Weapons Compendium reprint?

On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:29:22 EDT PaganArt@aol.com writes:
>Adam wrote:
>
><<But wasn't there a clause in the Pagan CoC licence that
>limits them to selling it via the post?>>
>
>
>Yes, unfortunately, there is, unless we want to pay a licensing fee 
>and print
>it as a regular book, and frankly, I'd rather print source material 
>and
>scenarios.  
 Any chance of adding the best part as an appendix to a future book
that's a little thinner than you'd planned?


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Date: 12 Aug 98 13:48 GMT
From: FRANK M ADAMS <FRANK.M.ADAMS@slchicago.infonet.com>
Subject: DG: Paranoia films

     Hello all!
     
<<Bladerunner - the directors cut (not the silly voice over version with the 
happy ending)>>

Agree totally.
     
<<How about:
Capricorn One (MJ-12 fakes Mars landings)
Invasion of the Bodysnatchers (The version with Donald Sutherland and 
Leonard Nimoy: the ultimate paranoia film EVER!)
The Boys from Brazil
Logan's Run (I'm 27 and ageing fast: I can relate to that film) 
Soylent Green
The Usual Suspects
Fantastic Voyage (maybe not paranoia, but anyone injecting a miniturised 
Donald Pleasance into me for *any* reason would give me the screaming 
abdabs!)>>

Don't forget:

Conspiracy Theory - was still great even with Julia Roberts.
Twin Peaks:Fire Walk with Me - not as much conspiracy as weird.
La Femme Nikita - much better than Point of No Return, great atmosphere.
The Professional - excellent examples of Agent gone bad and a Cleaner.
The Firm - for indie characters in over their head.
The Amatuer - good from memory, but I'd like to see it again.
The Net - could have been better, but still a scary thought.

The Rock - Great DG scenario - "I've got 15 rockets pointed at San 
Francisco loaded with enough proto-matter to infect the entire city! I 
want safe passage to Argentina, 1 billion in gold and a Books-on-tape 
version of the Necronomicon!"

3 Days of the Condor - Fantastic says it all.
The Manchurian Candidate - See above.
The Man Who Knew Too Much - Dated, but still good. Better for indies.
North by Northwest - See above. 
The Man Who Knew Too Little - Yes really! Not a bad spoof, but better as 
an example of inter-agency cooperation and agents with crossed-signals.

Better stop before I get carried away!

Agent Frank "The Quiet Man"
frank.m.adams@slchicago.infonet.com

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:39:13 EDT
From: PaganArt@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: DG: Feh..

Here are the submission guidelines as seen on our website:

<<FORMAT OF SUBMISSIONS


                  Any time you send us a submission, include two very
important things: a
                  self-addressed stamped postcard, and a self-addressed
envelope with enough
                  postage to return your submission if desired. We'll drop the
postcard in the mail
                  as soon as your submission is received, and then respond to
it in the SASE
                  (usually with a letter and comments written on the
submission itself) within a
                  few weeks. Please be patient; new submission evaluation
takes a backseat to
                  producing current projects.


                                           WRITTEN SUBMISSIONS


                  These should be legibly printed and double-spaced. Your full
name, address, and
                  phone number should be on the first page, along with an
accurate word count.
                  Send copies only, never your original manuscript. If your
submission is accepted,
                  send the manuscript on computer diskette if at all possible.
We can take IBM and
                  Macintosh 3.5" diskettes only, high or low density. Save
yourmanuscript in
                  several different formats from your word processor,
including plain text or
                  ASCII. We recommend RTF format, if your word processor
supports it, to
                  preserve formatting features such as bold, italics, etc.


                                              ART SUBMISSIONS


                  These should consist of a portfolio of your work. It needn't
be elaborate, but
                  include examples of the mediums you are strongest at--color,
B&W, airbrush,
                  charcoal, whatever. Send copies only, never your original
art. Our art director
                  will keep your portfolio on file and contact you with
comments or with
                  assignments if necessary. The examples you send should if at
all possible be
                  horror-themed; illustrations directly related to Call of
Cthulhu and/or Lovecraft
                  are a plus, but not required. Published art is always
specifically assigned by the art
                  director. Almost anyone can draw monsters--we place a
premium on realistic
                  depictions of humans. If you cannot draw well-rendered,
realistic hands, faces,
                  etc. of normal people but otherwise draw realistic-looking
scenes, don't send us a
                  portfolio. We are willing to look at non-representational
portfolios that lack
                  well-rendered human figures, however, such as those of
collage artists, symbolic
                  artists, and so on.


                                  WRITING FOR THE UNSPEAKABLE OATH


                  The Unspeakable Oath is our flagship publication, a magazine
for Chaosium's
                  Call of Cthulhu role-playing game. There are several
different types of material
                  we are in perpetual need of.

                  SCENARIOS. Each issue of TUO includes one or more Call of
Cthulhu gaming
                  scenarios. These should be between 5,000-15,000 words. We
are interested in all
                  time periods of the game - 1890s, 1920s, and 1990s. If
possible, scenarios should be
                  adaptable to any of these periods. If not, then make an
extra effort to fully utilize
                  the time period and cement your story in the atmosphere and
history of the
                  time. Other time periods and settings are also sought, if
you wish to write about
                  medieval Germany or ancient Egypt or whatever. Scenario
submissions should
                  include maps and standard stats for important NPCs and all
creatures. We are
                  particularly interested in strong stories with strong
characters--no stereotypical
                  mega-villains, please. The Mythos is at its most potent when
it affects the lives of
                  individuals, and those individuals (whether villains or
victims) should be real
                  to the Keeper and to the player.

                  ARCANE ARTIFACTS. Strange relics of wizards and other outre
entities crop up
                  regularly in scenarios. An Arcane Artifact is an item with a
                  strange/occult/Mythos history and possibly magical powers of
some sort. These
                  should be about 500 words. Include the history of the item,
a detailed physical
                  description (don't forget approximate size and weight),
where it might be found,
                  what powers it might have, and what role it might play in a
scenario.

                  ARTICLES. We have printed articles on a variety of topics,
ranging from 1920s
                  asylums to the Mythos fiction of Lin Carter to weapon
proficiencies to starting
                  campaigns and much more. Articles vary in length, detail,
and scope but
                  5,000-15,000 words is a good margin to work in. Article
submissions should be
                  thorough, creative, and entertaining. A bibliography, if
appropriate, is an
                  excellent addition.

                  THE EYE OF LIGHT & DARKNESS. We are always seeking
perceptive and
                  engaging reviews for this column. These should be between
500-1000 words. We
                  focus on Call of Cthulhu releases and related media items.
Movies, books, and
                  games in the Lovecraft/horror genre are all appropriate. If
you're interested in
                  reviewing something, contact the editor first. The range of
potential review
                  subjects is pretty narrow, and chances are someone else is
doing it already--so
                  check and make sure.

                  FICTION. The only fiction we accept always appears on the
last page of the issue,
                  under the heading "Message In A Bottle." Such works should
be between
                  500-1000 words long; nothing longer is accepted. The short-
shorts that appear
                  here share a common theme: communication. Communication
suggests
                  knowledge, awareness, and discovery, and these are the sorts
of things that your
                  story should revolve around. They frequently have a twist
ending of some sort,
                  or else simply exude a feeling of discomfort or horror.
"Message In A Bottle" is
                  intended to cap off each issue in a disturbing and
frightening manner, and is
                  very important to the feel of the magazine. We do not accept
short stories other
                  than the regular "Message" feature, and have no plans to use
such material.
                  Selection of fiction for this section is at the editor's
discretion and is wholly
                  subjective--if it turns the editor's crank in some way, it
gets printed.

                  MYSTERIOUS MANUSCRIPTS. Magical and occult tomes are a
mainstay of CoC
                  gaming. A Mysterious Manuscript is an original occult tome
of your creation for
                  use in the game. These should be between 600-800 words,
though up to twice that
                  length is acceptable if it includes new spells, new
monsters, and the like. Include
                  info on publishing history (such as different editions and
translations), author,
                  age of the book, SAN, Mythos Points, Spell Multiplier,
spells in the book,
                  descriptions of new spells or new monsters related to the
book, etc. Also include
                  an excerpt from the book, written to reflect the flavor of
the work. In the body of
                  the piece, describe the book's history, its contents
(especially specific areas of focus
                  in the text--does it address the Dreamlands, or Deep Ones,
or what?), physical
                  appearance of the book, and what unusual effects it might
have on its readers.

                  TALES OF TERROR. A Tale of Terror is a short scenario idea.
These should be
                  about 500 words. The format is to include an enticing and
story-like introduction,
                  much as it would be presented (in longer form) to the
players. Then, under a
                  heading of "Possibilities," present 3 different explanations
of what is going on.
                  This allows the Keeper to pick and choose, and find ideas
for his or her own
                  games. These are fairly simple to write, and depend entirely
on your creativity to
                  be effective. Tales of Terror should be short, scary, and to
the point.

                  MISCELLANEOUS. New skills, new spells, new monsters, one-
paragraph
                  scenario ideas, interesting NPCs, rules additions--all of
this material is desired.
                  Such things will appear in a 'grab-bag' section in each
issue, and are meant to
                  inspire Keepers with tidbits he or she can put into their
own games. These
                  should be under 300 words.


                                                   RIGHTS 


                  For work that appears in The Unspeakable Oath, we use First
North American
                  Serial Rights, which means that after publication ownership
of your work
                  reverts back to you. If we wish to reprint your writing or
artwork after the initial
                  appearance, a new agreement is needed. Original artwork is
returned after
                  publication.


                                                  PAYMENT 


                  From the start, The Unspeakable Oath has been a cooperative,
non-paying
                  collaboration among the many writers and artists whose work
has graced its
                  pages. This has brought a spirit of community to the
magazine which few
                  professional publications can match.

                  However, we can now afford to offer a token payment to our
contributors as a
                  gesture of respect and to help cover the amounts our writers
and artists spend on
                  postage, paper, supplies, etc. For writing, this is 1 penny
per word. For artwork,
                  this is $5 for a quarter-page, $10 for a half-page, and $20
for a full-page. These rates
                  are by no means meant to be competitive or even comparable
to other
                  publications and instead represent, to the means that we are
able, the gratitude
                  we feel for everyone who contributes to TUO and continues to
make it, in the
                  words of one of our readers, "the best role-playing magazine
I've ever seen.">>


"Jesus saves-
  Cthulhu saves you for later-"

Dennis Detwiller
Second Gunman/Silly Rabbit/Art Director
Pagan Publishing
Plotting the Downfall of Humanity since 1990

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