From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V1 #183 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Tuesday, October 20 1998 Volume 01 : Number 183 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 06:58:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Campbell Subject: DG: Bigfoot I found this on the Oregon Live Web site. Thought it might be Delta Green Material. Jeff Campbell. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ever since Todd Neiss saw Bigfoot, he has stayed on the lookout. There was the expedition Neiss led last spring, for example: a trip into the deep forest near Saddle Mountain in Clatsop County, Oregon. Neiss's five-member team had the run of a two-hundred-plus-acre, privately owned section of land for eight days. During that time, encouraging signs included some 15-inch footprints, but "they were washed out and not of cast quality," explains Neiss, sounding slightly jaded but not discouraged. "We were hoping to find something better later on." Something better? Neiss means something really better, although he won't admit to hoping for another sighting. "I really question the odds that people have seen a Bigfoot more than once," he says. Neiss, 37, is the vice-president of a Portland transportation company, and the leader for Operation Entice Contact 2, or "EC2." That expedition last March was the group's second such trip seeking conclusive biologic evidence to prove the existence of the tall, hairy, elusive hominids said to roam densely wooded sectors of North America. Neiss has been obsessed with the search since back in 1993, when he caught sight of three huge, hair-covered figures while participating in Army demolition maneuver in Clatsop County. Since then, the former skeptic has become one of the most devout and sought-after acolytes in the ubiquitous cult of Bigfoot. It's a cult that stretches throughout the Northwest, from Northern California to coastal Canada and as far inland as Idaho. EC2 came up only a few ice cubes from empty, just like EC1 and the fistful of other organized expeditions launched in the Pacific Northwest during the past three decades. That is, empty as far as the scientific community is concerned. Neiss had hoped that the more than $100,000 in video and audio equipment lugged along by his team would turn up some substantial evidence. Equipment ranged from a rifle loaded with a biopsy dart to a bait stand/infra-red alert system slathered with goodies like bacon grease and Spam. The bait stand was designed to lure "BF" -- which is how the creature is known to intimates -- out of the woods; the biopsy dart might have provided conclusive evidence of his existence, if he'd taken the bait. Then again, if Neiss and other Bigfoot field-researchers have learned one thing from years of searching, it is that expensive toys don't add up to much more than big budgets -- that is, unless BF decides to play. Bigfoot aficionado Peter Byrne says he has spent several million dollars over the past three decades establishing clearinghouses and conducting large-scale, long-term research projects. The most recent project included a toll-free hotline for reporting sightings. Byrne, who lives in Portland's West Hills, has published numerous books on Sasquatch. His experience working as a big-game hunter and guide in the 1940s and '50s makes him uniquely qualified for the quest. For his part, Byrne thinks his work has helped place Oregon on the Bigfoot- sightingmap. "Part of the reason there are so many sightings reported in Oregon is because of the projects I've run," says Byrne, who joined Neiss for the latter part of the expeditionblast March. "I established a place for this information to come." Researchers like Byrne have helped categorize the phenomenon and pin down what some people believe to be the creature's territorial habitat. But it's vision-quest expeditions like Neiss's that are the heart and soul of the BF cult. And coming home without an autographed photo of Sasquatch is no reason to consider a venture a failure. "That doesn't mean nothing was found," Neiss says. "There's usually some evidence if you know what to look for -- broken tree branches,a strange foghorn-like whoop-whoop in the night, a foul funk, you name it." Little shreds of evidence are what keep researchers tracking and chasing Bigfoot throughout the region. "What makes it exciting is the prospect of the eventual discovery," Byrne says. "If the things exist, it truly will be the find of the century." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:04:05 EDT From: SteveL1979@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: 20 Oct. 1998--News Monitoring 2 << DG Relevance: Something...interesting in the cave? "Robbers" were actually cultists of some sort? >> Or the likes of MJ-12 who want to keep the artifacts, etc., out of the public eye. Steve Long ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:12:00 -0500 From: Shane Ivey Subject: DG: RE: Tasmania in DG This raises the really icky question: What could make a shoggoth dead? Shane Ivey CroakerJr@aol.com http://w3.one.net/~deltag/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew D. Gable [SMTP:agable@falcon.lhup.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 8:20 AM > To: Delta Green List > Subject: DG: Tasmania in DG > > > Inspired by the mass beaching post: > > I don't have all the articles handy (God, there would be entirely too many > to send to the list), but any person with familiarity with cryptozoology > may be familiar with the fact that New Zealand/Australia/that area seems > to have an exceptionally high giant squid population and that in Tasmania, > several unidentified "blobs" (most of which, IMHO, are pieces of whale > blubber) washed up on the shores. > > Relevance to DG in all this? Big Cthulhu presence (huge cephalopods) and > possibly dead shoggoths washing up on the beach. The joy! Strolling down a > nice, sandy beach looking for sea-shells and stumbling onto a dead > shoggoth. > > And that's my two cents. > > Andrew D. Gable > agable@falcon.lhup.edu > The CryptoWeb: www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/7270/ > > "Suddenly, the mad cultists throw their copies of The Revelations of > Glaaki at you, and bean you in the cranium with all 13 volumes." > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:20:26 +0100 From: Phil Ward Subject: Re: DG: Pishtaco Andrew D. Gable wrote: > In Peru somewhere, within the last several months, there was a double > murder in which two men were killed and skinned (whether they were alive > or not at the time of the skinning is unknown, at least to me). I recall > that a suspect was later arrested, and the suspect confessed that to his > belief, the two dead men were not men at all, but demons called > "pishtacos." Is this the local equivalent of "Satan made me do it?" Does claiming that the victims were actually monsters give you a chance of copping an insanity plea? Nice plot hook tho' :) > Dunno if this is from a reliable newspaper or the Peruvian equivalent of > The Weekly World News, but, hey, for DG who says you have to draw upon > reliably-reported events? (This coming from someone who is at this moment > debating the DG significance of the [in]famous Batboy) Hey, don't knock it, if there was anyone here who bought Dark Conspiracy they recommended buying a daily newspaper on the level of the National Enquirer to gather idea's from adventures. I would suspect that data-analysis DG agents may end up spending some time each day combing through this sort of paper looking for correlations with their own investigations... if nothing else they will know that their clean-up teams have slipped up if something shows in the paper. Cyberpunk used crosswords for net-running... Phil Ward PS. batboy? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:10:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: DG: More Stuff from Eberhart's Book Here's more weird events listed in the Eberhart book I've mentioned several times already (one of these I've researched--guess which?). Project OZMA: The first extraterrestial communication project (1960??), based at the National Radio Observatory (?? is that the name ??) nr. Green Bank, WV (why put a government installation in the middle of nowhere? I know why logically...why am I reminded, though, of the significance of WV on X-Files?). The "ear" "listened" to transmissions from (AFAIK) Tau Ceti and Epsilon Eridani. Shaggaian America: I recall a report (I forget the exact location) from somewhere in Florida of a series of underwater pyramids. Probably the remains of an Indian culture or something, but I can't shake the feeling that they could be submerged American shan temples. And that's my two cents. Andrew D. Gable agable@falcon.lhup.edu The CryptoWeb: www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/7270/ "Suddenly, the mad cultists throw their copies of The Revelations of Glaaki at you, and bean you in the cranium with all 13 volumes." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:23:06 +0100 From: Phil Ward Subject: Re: DG: RE: Hostungs Shane Ivey wrote: > > The dreaded Alabama hostung, while as powerful as its Australian > counterpart, is notoriously difficult to house-train and must be taken for > regular walks in a specially-prepared hostung-run outside. If only our > hostungs could reliably be kept indoors! At the risk of wasting bandwidth.... "Aha, Alabama Hostung, so we meet again! And once again I shall prove that there is nothing you can possess that I cannot take from you." Or something like that.... Phil Ward (Ouch, Ouch, get this hostung out of my mouth...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:29:21 -0500 From: Shane Ivey Subject: DG: RE: Pishtaco SIGHTINGS has a small article on this incident, at http://www.sightings.com/ufo/socalskybooms.htm "The pishtaco is a legendary creature of Andean folklore, whose image appears on the ceramics of the ancient Nazca and Sipan cultures. It is reputed to be a demon in the form of a human, which strips the victim's body of all adipose tissue. Investigating police searched the town and found two dead men, both unidentified, "with all of their muscles exposed and not a single gram of fat on them." and The autopsies were performed by Dr. Oscar Gallegos of the PNP's Forensic Medical Department. According to the autopsy report, "The victims showed characteristics compatible to death from bleeding. There were no signs of torture, beating nor of having been struck by a knife or a bullet. Cause of death was cardiac arrest due to excessive bleeding. No skin or subcutaneous cellular tissue was found. The rate of decomposition was slight." There are some other fun articles on that page, too, btw. And this is from a Washington Post review of DEATH IN THE ANDES, by Mario Vargas Llosa: ' . . . pishtacos, half-gringo ghouls who are said to live in caves, lurk along the highways, and suck the fat out of anyone foolish enough to travel the Andean roads at night. Pishtacos "needed human fat to make church bells sing more sweetly and tractors run more smoothly, and now, lately, to give the government to pay off the foreign debt ... They not only slit their victims' throats but butchered them like cattle, or sheep, or hogs, and ate them. Bled them drop by drop and got drunk on the blood." ' Yahoo! rules. ;-) Shane Ivey AKA CroakerJr@aol.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew D. Gable [SMTP:agable@falcon.lhup.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 8:27 AM > To: deltagreen@nocturne.org > Subject: DG: Pishtaco > > > This just occurred to me yesterday, in reference to the earlier skinning > thread. I received this report via the cryptozoology mailing list several > months ago, and have since deleted the original message (shame, shame on > me!) so I can't remember all the particulars. But here goes: > > In Peru somewhere, within the last several months, there was a double > murder in which two men were killed and skinned (whether they were alive > or not at the time of the skinning is unknown, at least to me). I recall > that a suspect was later arrested, and the suspect confessed that to his > belief, the two dead men were not men at all, but demons called > "pishtacos." > > Dunno if this is from a reliable newspaper or the Peruvian equivalent of > The Weekly World News, but, hey, for DG who says you have to draw upon > reliably-reported events? (This coming from someone who is at this moment > debating the DG significance of the [in]famous Batboy) > > And that's my two cents. > > Andrew D. Gable > agable@falcon.lhup.edu > The CryptoWeb: www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/7270/ > > "Suddenly, the mad cultists throw their copies of The Revelations of > Glaaki at you, and bean you in the cranium with all 13 volumes." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:36:44 -0500 From: Shane Ivey Subject: DG: RE: 20 Oct. 1998--News Monitoring 1 I understand the fire resulted from a whole bunch of oil-robbers attempting to siphon oil out of the pipeline. Somebody hit it too hard, lit a spark, and BOOM. "Nobody told me this was the FLAMMABLE oil pipeline . . ." Then again, that spark-striker could just as easily have been a Shudde-Melle junky itching to sacrifice all the robbers in order to get Shudde to do the nasty on a rival town; then Those Darn DG Kids had to show up and interfere and make him blow the pipe early. Everything can be a plot hook. Shane Ivey AKA CroakerJr@aol.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew D. Gable [SMTP:agable@falcon.lhup.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 8:45 AM > To: deltagreen@nocturne.org > Subject: DG: 20 Oct. 1998--News Monitoring 1 > > > Didn't catch the original story, which I heard about yesterday. But, as I > recall, the fire was an act of sabotage and occurred near Lagos. > > DG Relevance: Mass sacrifice to one of the GOOs, p. Shudde M'ell? > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > APAWOR, Nigeria (Reuters) - Hundreds of bodies charred beyond recognition > have been buried in mass graves beside a Nigerian pipeline which spewed > petrol for three days, drew a crowd of thousands to harvest the gushing > fuel, then exploded in flame. Most news media said the death toll from the > blaze was already above 500, with many more victims unlikely to survive. > State TV reported 450 known dead Monday night. With the fire still burning > and bulldozers gouging out a burial ground, local official Mike Ikhurion > said there was no way the corpses could be held for identification. Many > of the victims were women and children who flocked with scoops, cans and > pans to collect and sell fuel. > > And that's my two cents. > > Andrew D. Gable > agable@falcon.lhup.edu > The CryptoWeb: www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/7270/ > > "Suddenly, the mad cultists throw their copies of The Revelations of > Glaaki at you, and bean you in the cranium with all 13 volumes." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:09:50 -0500 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ricardo_J._M=E9ndez?=" Subject: DG: Re: mass beaching near Tazmania >What do you think would make more than 100 pilot whales commit suicide by >beaching themselves? Some of them were caught and towed back out to sea . >. . only to turn right back around and beach themselves again! > >So, do you think they saw C'thulhu, or something else. Theories, anyone? I believe that an explanation that has been given for beached whales is the fact that some diseases can affect their guidance system, so to speak. Kind of getting an ear infection and loosing your balance. Maybe they were "called" by something. A possibility would be to have some group test a subsonic device (new weapon? some alien radio? a simple powerful communication jamming device?) that the whales can feel and mis-identify as a massive call. Cheers, Ricardo J. Méndez rmendez@geocities.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:28:29 GMT0BST From: Robert Thomas Subject: Re: DG: Hostungs >I believe hostungs are allowed to be carried by hunters.... > (Cut) Could someone reply off list and explain what a 'hostungs' is /are? I'm baffled. Rob. J.R.E.Thomas. Science Library PC Room Advisor ext 6135 / 5128. MScII City and Regional Planning Student. ThomasR@cardiff.ac.uk "It's too bad she won't live, but then again who does?" Gaff in "Blade Runner". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:58:29 EDT From: theherald@juno.com (Michael Layne) Subject: Re: DG: mass beaching near Tazmania On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:51:29 -0400 "R. Menzi" writes: >What do you think would make more than 100 pilot whales commit suicide >by >beaching themselves? Some of them were caught and towed back out to >sea . >. . only to turn right back around and beach themselves again! > >So, do you think they saw C'thulhu, or something else. Theories, >anyone? > Or just the result of some New World Industries genetic experimentation a few years ago? "Hmm... So, Dr. Ahab, inserting lemming genes in the pilot whale genome is not a complete success? And the 100 test whales we grew have escaped?" :) Michael theherald@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:03:27 -0700 From: Christian Conkle Subject: DG: RE: Re: mass beaching near Tazmania I've always hypothesized that mass beachings were the result of whales suddenly rememebering their land-based origins. A couple of whales are out swimming when one of them suddenly has a genetic land-mammal evolutionary flashback. He shouts to his buddies "Holy Shit! We're Land Mammals! What are we doing out here in the ocean?!! Quick, everyone, back to shore before we all drown!!" :-) - ----------------------------------------------------- Christian Conkle Web Development Specialist Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory work: conklec@nwrel.org home: conkle@europa.com - ----------------------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Ricardo J. Méndez [SMTP:rmendez@geocities.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 7:10 AM > To: Delta Green List > Subject: DG: Re: mass beaching near Tazmania > > > > > >What do you think would make more than 100 pilot whales commit suicide by > >beaching themselves? Some of them were caught and towed back out to sea > . > >. . only to turn right back around and beach themselves again! > > > >So, do you think they saw C'thulhu, or something else. Theories, anyone? > > > I believe that an explanation that has been given for beached whales is > the > fact that some diseases can affect their guidance system, so to speak. > Kind > of getting an ear infection and loosing your balance. > > Maybe they were "called" by something. A possibility would be to have > some > group test a subsonic device (new weapon? some alien radio? a simple > powerful communication jamming device?) that the whales can feel and > mis-identify as a massive call. > > Cheers, > > > > Ricardo J. Méndez > rmendez@geocities.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:33:31 -0400 From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: DG: Senor Sock back in Business? Just found this one from the Electronic Telegraph website. Oddly enough, I know the Golf Course in question rather well (it is about 5-6 miles from where I grew up). Luckily though, I have a doozy of an alibi! Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu ______________________________________ Human torso found on golf course By Charles Holland A HUMAN torso, minus head and limbs, has been discovered on a golf course. The remains were found by a pair of golfers after they hit a ball into the rough on one of the four courses at Addington Court Golf Club, in Selsdon, south London. Ongoing police searches at the club, one of the busiest complexes in Europe, have uncovered a number of bones nearby. An initial post mortem on the torso failed to reveal the exact cause of death, the age or sex of the adult victim. A Scotland Yard spokesman said the body may have been lying there for up to a week, adding that foxes and other animals could have disturbed the remains. A staff member at the club said the remains had been found in undergrowth next to the 18-hole Falconwood Course on Saturday. "A pair of golfers had hit a ball off the course into a copse of trees and thought they had discovered animal remains, which they reported to the pro shop. "When staff went down they believed it could have been human and called the police. Apparently, it was a torso without a head or arms or legs lying front down." More than 30 detectives are working on the inquiry, and an incident room has been set up at Beckenham police station. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:37:22 -0500 From: Shane Ivey Subject: DG: RE: RE: Re: mass beaching near Tazmania Or maybe it's just entertainment. We humans love to go swimming in the sea; maybe the whales sometimes think it would be keen to flop around on land for a while. Just like some of us drown, some of those poor slobs just get stuck. Bummer. (But I'll admit, the Genome experiment theory was much more DG-able.) (Or maybe Agent DARREN just keeps on tinkering with the Call Deep One spells. "Get the high-explosive harpoons ready! Say . . . that doesn't look like Dagon at all.") Shane Ivey CroakerJr@aol.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Christian Conkle [SMTP:ConkleC@nwrel.org] > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 11:03 AM > To: 'Delta Green List' > Subject: DG: RE: Re: mass beaching near Tazmania > > I've always hypothesized that mass beachings were the result of whales > suddenly rememebering their land-based origins. A couple of whales are > out > swimming when one of them suddenly has a genetic land-mammal evolutionary > flashback. He shouts to his buddies "Holy Shit! We're Land Mammals! What > are > we doing out here in the ocean?!! Quick, everyone, back to shore before we > all drown!!" :-) > > ----------------------------------------------------- > Christian Conkle > Web Development Specialist > Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory > > work: conklec@nwrel.org > home: conkle@europa.com > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ricardo J. Méndez [SMTP:rmendez@geocities.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 7:10 AM > > To: Delta Green List > > Subject: DG: Re: mass beaching near Tazmania > > > > > > > > > > >What do you think would make more than 100 pilot whales commit suicide > by > > >beaching themselves? Some of them were caught and towed back out to > sea > > . > > >. . only to turn right back around and beach themselves again! > > > > > >So, do you think they saw C'thulhu, or something else. Theories, > anyone? > > > > > > I believe that an explanation that has been given for beached whales is > > the > > fact that some diseases can affect their guidance system, so to speak. > > Kind > > of getting an ear infection and loosing your balance. > > > > Maybe they were "called" by something. A possibility would be to have > > some > > group test a subsonic device (new weapon? some alien radio? a simple > > powerful communication jamming device?) that the whales can feel and > > mis-identify as a massive call. > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Ricardo J. Méndez > > rmendez@geocities.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:41:22 -0000 From: "Crossingham, Adam" Subject: Re: DG: Re: Concealed idea Phil Ward gets sucked into another gun thread: <<< I believe hostungs are allowed to be carried by hunters in the country (UK), but they have to carry them broken (double-barrels only here, no semi's or pumps any more, I believe), when they are anywhere near the rest of the public in general. >>> Don't know about a UK requirement for shotguns to carried broken open and unloaded - I always thought that was common sense. In the UK, semiautomatic shotguns were banned after the Hungerford shootings, but pump-action shotguns remained legal. However the magazine capacity is restricted to two cartridges capacity by law. That means any pump action that fires more than 3 shots (2 in the mag, and 1 chambered) is illegal. All legal firearms have to be locked in a gun safe whilst being transported (I think), with the ammunition in a different container, and locked in a gun cabinet when not being used or transported. The Home Office have a quite good web page on UK firearm laws. <<< Yeah, snap, I think we have a 5cm blade limit in public (anyone?), >>> In the UK, 2"/apx 5cm or less is legal. Note this is _carrying_ a blade 2" or less, not just displaying in public. Anything more is illegal unless you have a good reason to have the blade (trade purposes usually). This means if the police stop and search you, your possessions or your vehicle and discover a blade longer than 2", and you do not have a legitimate reason (note self-defence is not considered a legitimate reason by UK authorities) to have it, such as a butcher on his way to his abattoir, then the police can do you for possession of a dangerous weapon. Theoretically this would include larger penknives and such. I'm not sure how rigorously the police pursue this though. And strangely enough in the weird UK world, selling and purchasing large vicious hunting/combat knives isn't illegal, just the carrying and use of. Historical re-enactors get round the problem by putting plastic bags over the blades, spears etc. when travelling in public, which they take off when they get to the display. And the blades of such weapon are usually blunt, so they cannot be classified as dangerous weapons. Factoid: My local hero, King Arthur Pendragon, is a practising druid and had his ceremonial weapon, Excalibur, confiscated by the Metropolitan Police whilst weaving it around at a protest demonstration, despite warnings from the rozzers. Mr. Pendragon, who believes he is a reincarnation of his namesake, eventually got his sword back from the authorities after claiming it was a religious artefact, and that Excalibur couldn't be dangerous because it was blunt. - -- Adam Crossingham Work: adam.crossingham@octavian1009.e-mail.com Home: tigger@the-wolery.demon.co.uk Alder Valley Gamers Society for the best gaming in Hants/Surrey/Berks! See http://members.tripod.com/~avgas for details. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:56:36 -0000 From: "Crossingham, Adam" Subject: DG: 20 Oct. 1998--News Monitoring 1 Andrew D. Gable speculates: <<< the fire was an act of sabotage and occurred near Lagos. DG Relevance: Mass sacrifice to one of the GOOs, p. Shudde M'ell? >>> No, more like Cthughua. Maybe perhaps Fire Vampires looking for kicks. Or more likely an unfortunate accident in which hundreds of people were trying to get hold of severely restricted petroleum in a petroleum-rich country, and died horribly for their troubles. Alternatively, wouldn't a _huge accidental inferno_ be a great place to dispose of unwanted political malcontents without getting the attention of Amnesty International. Even better still: the _huge accidental inferno_ would be a great place to get rid of the bodies of the white colonial imperialists we had to shoot several times in the head whilst they were plasticuffed because we caught them sneaking onto the tribal sacred land dedicated to the Great Shudde M'ell. - -- Adam Crossingham Work: adam.crossingham@octavian1009.e-mail.com Home: tigger@the-wolery.demon.co.uk Alder Valley Gamers Society for the best gaming in Hants/Surrey/Berks! See http://members.tripod.com/~avgas for details. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 02:07:55 +0900 From: ft203004@fsinet.or.jp (Jay and Mikiko Noyes) Subject: Re: DG: Tasmania in DG >possibly dead shoggoths washing up on the beach. The joy! Strolling down a >nice, sandy beach looking for sea-shells and stumbling onto a dead >shoggoth. You'd better believe I'd be joyful to find a dead shoggoth. It beats the hell out of stumbling onto a live one. Jay - ------------------------------------------ I think that you do not appreciate what it is that space contains. What's that then? Nothing. It contains nothing. And everything. But there is very little everything and rather more nothing than you could imagine. Terry Pratchett, "Wings" - ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:04:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: Re: DG: Senor Sock back in Business? On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Graeme Price wrote: < Snipped whole big, long, grisly murder part > Oh dear, sounds like one of those crazy Torso-types is at it again! The most famous pre-present outbreak of Torso-type killing in England (that I'm aware of) occurred during the exact same time as Jack The Ripper was up and about, fall 1888. IMHO, this is a major contributing factor to the confusion about ol' JTR's body count--evidently, there's more than a few "Ripperologists" who consider these Torso-works to be the handiwork of Saucy Jack (when it's evident there were just *two* serial killers active in Whitechapel at the same time...Whitechapel must've been a fun place at the time. And that's my two cents. Andrew D. Gable agable@falcon.lhup.edu The CryptoWeb: www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/7270/ "Suddenly, the mad cultists throw their copies of The Revelations of Glaaki at you, and bean you in the cranium with all 13 volumes." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:14:56 -0700 From: Christian Conkle Subject: RE: DG: Re: Concealed idea hostungs... shotguns... MY GOD! IT'S SO CLEAR TO ME NOW!! THE SHOCK! THE HORROR! THE REVELATION OF THE NATURE OF THE INFINITE AND GODLESS COSMOS! (pant pant) sorry, failed my SAN check there. I'll just writhe here in creepy realization for a while. - ----------------------------------------------------- Christian Conkle Web Development Specialist Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory work: conklec@nwrel.org home: conkle@europa.com - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:25:24 -0400 From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: Re: DG: mass beaching near Tazmania Shane wrote: >(Or maybe Agent DARREN just keeps on tinkering with the Call Deep One >spells. "Get the high-explosive harpoons ready! Say . . . that doesn't >look like Dagon at all.") Slightly off topic perhaps, but does anyone else remember the infamous beached whale incident a couple of years back? You know, the one where the whale eventually died and was left to decompose for a few days before the sherriff went down to the beach with a crate of dynamite to get rid of the carcass... and ended up by blowing chunks of sticking, fetid whale meat all over town. The video footage which accompanied such an heroic deed used to be at the fortean times website (along with the "Chicken Love Tragedy" photo....) and is well worth a look if it still exists. Later Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:06:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: Re: DG: RE: RE: Re: mass beaching near Tazmania Or maybe if a human's "infection" with Deep One genes lead us to seek a life in the sea, maybe a sea-dweller's "infection" would lead it to seek life on the land? Ooh...mass-DO infection...pretty nasty idea. And that's my two cents. Andrew D. Gable agable@falcon.lhup.edu The CryptoWeb: www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/7270/ "Suddenly, the mad cultists throw their copies of The Revelations of Glaaki at you, and bean you in the cranium with all 13 volumes." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:34:28 -0400 From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: Re: DG: Re: Concealed idea Adam wrote: >Factoid: My local hero, King Arthur Pendragon, is a practising druid and had >his ceremonial weapon, Excalibur, confiscated by the Metropolitan Police >whilst weaving it around at a protest demonstration, despite warnings from >the rozzers. Mr. Pendragon, who believes he is a reincarnation of his >namesake, eventually got his sword back from the authorities after claiming >it was a religious artefact, and that Excalibur couldn't be dangerous >because it was blunt. Figures. After all, sticking it in that stone all the time couldn't have done anything for the edge on it! Relatedly, does the Sikh community in the UK still have religious exemptions for their long daggers? I know this was a moot point a few years ago, but don't know if it has been resolved yet. (shudder: this brings back memories about a campaign I played in a few years ago which featured a cultist-run curry house which had an unusual recipe for beef vindaloo and a rather strangely stocked meat freezer. Said resturant eventually met a nasty fate at the hands of a runaway petrol tanker late one evening). Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:35:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel M Harms Subject: Re: DG: RE: Pishtaco On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Shane Ivey wrote: > And this is from a Washington Post review of DEATH IN THE ANDES, by Mario > Vargas Llosa: > > ' . . . pishtacos, half-gringo ghouls who are said to live in caves, lurk > along the highways, and suck the fat out of anyone foolish enough to travel > the Andean roads at night. Pishtacos "needed human fat to make church bells > sing more sweetly and tractors run more smoothly, and now, lately, to give > the government to pay off the foreign debt ... They not only slit their > victims' throats but butchered them like cattle, or sheep, or hogs, and ate > them. Bled them drop by drop and got drunk on the blood." ' > In order to put this together with the organ donor thread... In Latin American countries, there are often urban legends about gringo ghouls who come down, steal small children, and then sell their organs on the black market. This has inspired at least one attack on a tourist who was thought to have stolen a child (the child was found unharmed later). Yrs., Daniel Harms ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:44:04 -0500 From: Shane Ivey Subject: RE: DG: RE: Pishtaco And we cannot forget the infamous Squeezer killings in the U.S., when on-duty cops were suspected of picking and flaying their victims and throwing the skins out the car windows during routine patrol or surveillance. "Pistachios," one said, "are just too damn expensive these days." Shane Ivey AKA CroakerJr@aol.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel M Harms [SMTP:dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 12:35 PM > To: Delta Green List > Subject: Re: DG: RE: Pishtaco > > > > On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Shane Ivey wrote: > > > And this is from a Washington Post review of DEATH IN THE ANDES, by > Mario > > Vargas Llosa: > > > > ' . . . pishtacos, half-gringo ghouls who are said to live in caves, > lurk > > along the highways, and suck the fat out of anyone foolish enough to > travel > > the Andean roads at night. Pishtacos "needed human fat to make church > bells > > sing more sweetly and tractors run more smoothly, and now, lately, to > give > > the government to pay off the foreign debt ... They not only slit their > > victims' throats but butchered them like cattle, or sheep, or hogs, and > ate > > them. Bled them drop by drop and got drunk on the blood." ' > > > > In order to put this together with the organ donor thread... > > In Latin American countries, there are often urban legends about > gringo ghouls who come down, steal small children, and then sell their > organs on the black market. This has inspired at least one attack on a > tourist who was thought to have stolen a child (the child was found > unharmed later). > > Yrs., > > > Daniel Harms ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:07:31 -0500 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ricardo_J._M=E9ndez?=" Subject: DG: SETI@Home: A DG Project? For the sake of the Great Holy and Scarce Bandwidth (which I wasted with that name :) I'm not reprinting the whole news, but you can check it out here. http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/15708.html Basically, it's an organized project to harness the unused computer power in home computers. You download a small, screen saver-like program that analyzed data from SETI when you're not using your machine. Given the fact that lots of people use their Pentium II 430 MHz only to type memos, the sheer amount of computing power gathered should be enormous. But what is really going on with that project? Several possibilities just came to mind: a) When will the stars be right? Calculating complicated star combinations would be the first obvious possibility. Maybe the calculations involve considerations of planets that have an unknown behavior, so thousands of possible estimates have been generated. b) Birth of an AI. One of the first step for a truly natural AI would be genetic programming. The process would involve the testing of thousands and thousands of pseudo-randomly generated algorithms, with survival of the fittest. These survivors are then mutated and bred over and over and over, until you have the best algorithm possible which, in most cases, is better than any a human could have done. Alas, GP is computation and time expensive, so harnessing the power of hundreds of thousands of unsuspecting users would give development a boost. It could also be the training on select data of a AI made out of a huge neural networks, that a computer alone couldn't handle. c) Cracking of a code. Given enough computer power, most encryption schemes can be cracked. What if you need to crack an extremely important MAJESTIC communication but don't have the computing power to do it? You turn to the masses, of course. Another possibility may be to manipulate friendlies at SETI (which must certainly be a nice breeding ground for tech friendlies) and stage SETI@Home to decrypt reams and reams of encrypted information that was gathered in the past. d) An AI expanding. What's a sentient AI to do? You can't just walk up the Director's office and request more power for your ever-expanding, insatiable thirst of knowledge. So you fake a "Wouldn't it be great if..." memo, and SETI@Home comes to life. e) Channeling of the Hounds of Thindalos. Someone may be trying to find a way to control the Hounds of Thindalos. If the Hounds have a relationship to angles, it may be possible to find a mathematical way of opening a door so that the Hounds can "see" a person. They will then search for that person until they remove it, while ignoring the controller of the gate. While it is a mad scheme, it is not below a mad cultist scientist to try. As you can see, all of the above are more appropriate for unfunded groups like Delta Green, since MAJESTIC more likely than not have their set of supercomputers. On a final note, SETI@Home is being funded by Paramount and the latest Star Trek flick. It is an excellent opportunity for funds siphoning. There is nothing like listening to the AKIRA soundtrack while thinking about this things. Bringing paranoia home, Ricardo J. Méndez rmendez@geocities.com Ricardo J. Méndez rmendez@geocities.com ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V1 #183 ********************************