From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V1 #264 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Wednesday, January 6 1999 Volume 01 : Number 264 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:12:04 -0500 (EST) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Delete if you don't want gun info for CoC. On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Jesper Anderson proved his total insanity: > I use the Phoenix Command Combat System (PCCS, yet another acronym :) > for both medieval/fantasy, modern and futuristic role playing. The > realism and detail of the system actually promotes good role playing - > players don't want their characters to get into combat, as combat is > *lethal*. You're out of your freakin' gourd monkey-boy! PCCS is the most utterly complex, unplayable nonsense ever to defile the role-playing industry. It makes pre-revision Rolemaster look simple and intuitive by comparison. Consider this: How much time do you waste on chargen, looking up tables and stats, calculating 4-digit hit point totals, and rolling dice? Compare this with the time you spend thinking about the background, pondering clues, interacting with NPC's and other aspects of playing a character. Also think about how long it takes to teach this system to a newbie gamer or even a rpg vet. And don't use that pathetic excuse of "Only the Gamemaster needs to know the system" because that is crap. ObDG - Shotgun Scenario: CONTAMINATOR - An outbreak of nasty diseases occurs on a vessel smuggling Chinese and South Asian refugees to America. This Plague Ship must be contained, by tac-nuke if necessary. Needless to say, no port is insane enough to grant clearance, assuming that covert ops don't quiet the whole matter into nameless obscurity. Is this an experiment of fringe biowarfare gone awry? If so, whose? The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum [seven is darker] [9 9 2 0 .2 2 9 9 8 9 2 1 2 .3 3 4] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:19:50 -0500 (EST) From: The Man in Black Subject: RE: DG: EH: JADE THRONE--China Chapter David Farnell, are you mocking me? I WILL NOT BE MOCKED BY YOU! > >The Russian Mafia connection was what I was hoping would link the > >Stalingrad/Istanbul Chapters with the China Chapter. > > Oh, man, now I gotta work in the Russians, too? Hmm, I guess they could be > competing with the tong... Not really, all the investigators do is track a bunch of stolen U-boat parts shipped to Grey Dragon Island. No Ivans need appear in China, although some Russian Organizatiya who survive the carnage in Volvograd/Stalingrad might show up as refugees at the Secret Volcano Base. Man, Secret Volcano Base really needs a Kewl name like EISSCHLOSS or somethin'. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum [seven is darker] [9 9 2 0 .2 2 9 9 8 9 2 1 2 .3 3 4] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:22:00 -0800 From: "Mark McFadden@warnerbros.com" Subject: DG: Re: Chicken & Egg >I don't really think the Ten Thirteen people were looking at DG for >inspiration. It's probably more a matter that the Pagan People and >the Ten Thirteen people were both looking to tried and true >conspiratorial, espionage, and techno-thriller archetypes, both in >setting and events, for common inspiration. "We get railroads when it's time to railroad." I was actually out of RPG gaming (a years long hiatus) when X-Files came out. I had never heard of Delta Green or any of the preliminary play tests or articles. And yet, after the first X-Files episode I was already thinking of Innsmouth and whatever records of the events would still be filed away. From there I extrapolated a Naval Intelligence interest in the occult which leads to scrutinization of Nazi occultism (Deep One mysticism apparently works, what are those goosesteppers up to? And why is their sea war so damn successful. Are they getting help?). From there, OSS involvement and something like the Karotechia. Ghoul activity in Stalingrad. Federal grants for Miskatonic U. Yada yada yada. Let me be the first to say that the Pagan People did a better job than I would have. And they incorporated stuff I would not have thought of. Innsmouth always struck me as the best starting point because it was the only example I could remember of "official" notice of Mythos activity. But is it the only one? And should we limit Mythos "history" to HPL's writing? I know a bunch of people saw Wilbur Whatley's brother. And they weren't all "simple country folk" that could be easily dismissed. New Orleans PD was aware of the local Cthulhu cult, and they knew that some members escaped the raid in "The Call of Cthulhu". Can anyone come up with any other examples? How about in Lumley, or Campbell? Mark McFadden Coulda been a contenduh. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:33:00 -0800 From: "Mark McFadden@warnerbros.com" Subject: DG: Fairfield's hideaway Well, you guys got the snow right, but there were no trees, evergreen or otherwise because he was in the arctic, on the ice. During the Depression, Fairfield bought the arctic installation from Clark Savage, added secure comm lines and TADA, the Fortress of Solitude became Fairfield's Freehold! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:44:00 -0800 From: "Mark McFadden@warnerbros.com" Subject: Re: DG: The Fairfield Assassination The Mib wrote, nay spewed: >As this hasty violation of graves continues, Commodore Cook is nabbed >by the Evil Ghouls, and Fairfield's coffin is found to be either >empty or filled with someone else's corpus delecti (or, if you're a >Monty-Haul Keeper - seven thousand Krugerands, $13 million in bearer >bonds with verification coupons attached, and a +7 Defender named >"Durandal" :) And the body of a jackal, a heart of gold, a brain, True Love, the Holy Grail, courage, whatever was shining in the briefcase in Pulp Fiction, Rosebud, Keyser Soza and a baby's arm holding an apple. Mark McFadden "Now where did I put those Robert Johnson Basement Tapes?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:52:41 -0500 From: "gable" Subject: Re: DG: EH: JADE THRONE--China Chapter On 1/5/99 (360 days from the Apocalypse), the MIB wrote: >Man, Secret Volcano Base really needs a Kewl name like EISSCHLOSS or >somethin'. A few possibilities: FEUERBURG (Fire Castle) FEUERBERG (Fire Mountain) GRAUDRACHE (Grey Dragon...it was on Grey Dragon Island, nicht?) Andrew D. Gable ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:58:22 -0500 From: "gable" Subject: DG: Re: Re: Chicken & Egg On 1-5-99, Mark McFadden wrote: > Can anyone come up with any other examples? How about in Lumley, or > Campbell? Hmm. Well, there's a lot of events in Campbell that might lead to official knowledge...there's the official report on the protagonist that discovered several anomalies and thereby the Yuggoth-gate in "The Mine on Yuggoth," the well-respected (IIRC) doctor that saw the Blessed One of Shub-Niggurath in "The Moon Lens," probably some others as well. Dunno about Lumley, haven't really read any of his stuff. Andrew D. Gable ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 03:59:58 +0100 From: Jesper Anderson Subject: Re: DG: Delete if you don't want gun info for CoC. MiB went out of line (as usual) saying: >You're out of your freakin' gourd monkey-boy! PCCS is the most utterly >complex, unplayable nonsense ever to defile the role-playing industry. It >makes pre-revision Rolemaster look simple and intuitive by comparison. This just proves you haven't used PCCS in actual games. It's slightly more complex than bare bones CoC, much less complex than standard AD&D, and when compared to the table intensive RoleMaster (post revision) it appears as simplicity itself. What causes people to make these assumptions is the unfamiliarity. There are no hit points, no combat rounds, no fix times to do things. It is all handled in a, once learned, much more intuitive and flexible manner. Yes, there is a learning curve - mostly consisting of unlearning the unflexible ways other systems work - but the rewards are well worth it. > And don't use that pathetic excuse of "Only the >Gamemaster needs to know the system" because that is crap. With most RPG systems, you're right. But not with PCCS. I always use that for novice gamers I introduce to RPG'ing. After that, nothing else will do. And they really don't need to know the system. They explain what they want to do in non-RPG terms, and I calculate AC costs and tell them what dice they need to roll. For the gamer that takes tactical situations seriously, and who wants to emphasize the role playing aspects of their adventures, PCCS is highly recommended. When used in a modern day setting with as much detail and background available as DG has, the combination makes for a tremendously intense gaming session. I'm working on writing down the details to pay attention to when fusing PCCS with CoC/DG. It will take a few days, but the results should be posted on a web page soon. I might also whip up a "quick start" help for PCCS, if people are interested. Thanks for your time, Jesper - --- When all is said and done, much more is said than done -- David Cutler ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:04:20 -0500 From: "gable" Subject: Re: DG: The Fairfield Assassination It's January 5, 1999, and Michael Layne penned the fateful words: > The only underground site that has been publicized is the one >beneath the Greenbriar Resort in southern WV. It's no longer in use by >the US Government, and indeed I think some enterprising fellow here in WV >wants to make it a tourist attraction. Of course, this does not at all >keep various other sites from having been dug in odd corners of WV! Haven't been there and don't remember the descriptions I read, but what about the "TNT Area," at Pt. Pleasant (yes, site of all that Mothman loveliness)? That was some sort of WW2-era munitions depot or something. IIRC, it may have been subterranean. I remember theories going around that Mothman lived in the tunnels. Wouldn't it make sense for Reggie to hideout in a place where the Mi-Go have been active? Andrew D. Gable ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:09:34 +1000 From: Ford Benjamin Subject: DG: Conspiracy 101 While we're on the subject of DG and the X-Files..... DG and PP's own Mr Glancy has a rather tasty document called Conspiracy 101 floating around on the Web. Essentially it organises and enumerates many of the theories and events of the X-Files's core conspiracy myth. The address is http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5827/x-theories_sg.htm and if you don't have email drop me a line and I'll mail you the file. Ciao, Benjamin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 22:50:38 EST From: theherald@juno.com (Michael Layne) Subject: DG: Wonder if they're anyplace near the Mountains of Madness? - --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Tom Robison To: c130mail@spectrumwd.com Subject: Another stuck Herk Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:06:49 +0500 Message-ID: from Defense Systems Daily: US C-130 stranded in Antarctica January 4th, 1999 A C-130 from the 109th Airlift Wing New York Air National Guard unit from Schenectady, N.Y., became stranded on an ice field in the Antarctic in November last year while it was carrying out airlift operations in support of the US National Science Foundation. After dropping off supplies, and while the crew were in the middle of their take-off procedures, the aircraft broke through the surface of the ice field and became lodged in a 134-foot crevasse. Members of the 653rd Combat Logistics Support Squadron from Robbins AFB, with expertise in aircraft recovery operations, are helping to recover and repair the aircraft at Upstream Delta, located 250 miles from McMurdo Sound, the site of National Science Foundation polar operations. The 12-man team is staying at Upstream Delta in a camp site set up by a group of New Zealand mountaineers. The aircraft has to be removed from the crevasse and all repairs completed by the end of January because by mid-February weather conditions deteriorate as the winter comes to the continent. The team will have to be removed for safety reasons and the aircraft will have to remain in place throughout the harsh winter. To see article and photo check out: http://defence-data.com/current/page3508.htm Tom Robison Ossian, Indiana tcrobi@adamswells.com Never forget the importance of history. To know nothing of what happened before you took your place on earth, is to remain a child forever. [unknown] - --------- End forwarded message ---------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:55:00 -0800 From: "Mark McFadden@warnerbros.com" Subject: DG: Re:DG Tradecraft - exotic ammo >Whenever I hear talk of what sounds like a pretty boneheaded policy >espoused on "legal" grounds, I always look for a lay >middle-management type who was too cheap to ask a real lawyer for >advice. This type of "fiscally-conservative, litigation-averse" >manager unwittingly creates more profitable work for the legal >profession than 100 car wrecks. ;) > > >Take care, > > >Elliot. >---- >Elliot Rushing >Lawyer and Cop. >Two professions regarding which nearly every member of the public >seems to feel an inherent benign expertise without suffering through >the tedious boredom of actual training. Elliot! My man! I was hoping this thread would get you out and about. Double/single action digressions aside, the info I wanted to impart is that these exotic rounds are easy to get your hands on. You don't need a contact in the National Guard armory or Underworld, the prices aren't prohibitive and they are plainly labeled. This is nearly common knowledge in the US, but I thought our members from Elsewhere could use the info. Rhodesian Jungle Round. Mark McFadden Keeps the dogs inside on New Year's Eve and Cinco de Mayo. I LUV LA! P.S. In the 70's, the California Highway Patrol (at least) couldn't carry automatics, and the LAPD was restricted to .38s. A larger calibre was considered intent to kill rather than wound (according to Joseph Wambaugh). IIRC, the ubiquitous PCP enraged juggernaut was the reason for upping the ante (sort of like the legendary fanatical machete-wielding Moros initiated adding a .45 sidearm to the standard Springfield rifle issued to the infantry). There is a DG lesson here: the presence of PCP excused anything. There was a bit of a scandal (late 70's) in Orange County (the Disneyland part of the LA megacity) when a naked unarmed man was being obstreperous on his front yard. A policeman at the scene took him down with 13 9mm slugs to the torso. That's a full clip and one in the pipe (IIRC). Scandal! Jack-booted thugs! Crazed macho Dirty Harrys loose on our streets with badges and hair-triggers.... The lab results found PCP. Oh. Never mind. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 23:20:19 -0500 From: Tal Meta Subject: Re: DG: Wonder if they're anyplace near the Mountains of Madness? > From: Tom Robison > To: c130mail@spectrumwd.com > US C-130 stranded in Antarctica > The aircraft has to be removed from the crevasse and all repairs > completed by the end of January because by mid-February weather conditions > deteriorate as the winter comes to the continent. The team will have to > be removed for safety reasons and the aircraft will have to remain in place > throughout the harsh winter. It's probably just sloppy reporting, but it's SUMMER right now in Antartica, you realize. :) - -- talmeta@bellatlantic.net - Heretic & Dilettante ICQ - 12594453 AIM - talmeta1 Homepage - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:19:43 -0600 (CST) From: Tenebrous Technologies Subject: DG: EH: Fatherland (Urg...I hate putting a pause on 'Dhamballah' but ideas roll) (Ok Spoilers.....) Initial Outline 1. Otto uses the myth of the 4th Riech to get freedom. He pulls some of the tired resurrected behind him, denied death, denied tomorrow, all they want is revenge. He masses the young, stupid and wantful of the German young. 2. Otto gets the Summon Azothoth spell, he decides to use the Castle as his last gotterdamerung. 3. They use thier puppet, in the party, to declare a rally at 'X' site. Bandits with the word make for the meeting site, NRO DELTA, Delta Green, and the wiser bischof of the Karotechia make thie way there to prevent armageddon. 4. At the ceremony, Galt-High Priest, realizes what is going on and, not wanting and the end to the feast, tries to renig. Skorzeney murders him and continues the rite. Multi-sided blood bath insues. +_+_+_+_+_+_+ Tenebrous Technologies- 'Guile, Deceit, Treachery!' Matt Cowger, CEO tenebrae@earthling.net http://home.gvi.net/~tenebrae Vox: (###)###-##### +_+_+_+_+_+_+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:01:54 -0600 (CST) From: Tenebrous Technologies Subject: DG: EH: Fatherland-Notes (here> Otto's got 'Mysteriis' he learns the spell from the book, he kills Galt with 'Shrivelling' from an unknown quarter, absorbing Galt's life and losing the restrictions of the 'Ressurection' spell. After that Otto puts his power at a young member of the Aryan Volks Partei, he sets him up to cast the spell (you know...chant the word) and then does his thing, sucking the life force of the caster. He is now decided to be a force of ruin and using the magic points of the unhappy live and undead he goes for summoning Azathoth. The 'LUNACY' files speak long about the stopping of 'Summon Azethoth' i.e. kill the high priest or twenty five percent of the casters, 'LUNACY' after that is scorched earth...kill everyone involved. Delta Green suggests scorched earth. +_+_+_+_+_+_+ Tenebrous Technologies- 'Guile, Deceit, Treachery!' Matt Cowger, CEO tenebrae@earthling.net http://home.gvi.net/~tenebrae Vox: (###)###-##### +_+_+_+_+_+_+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:47:23 -0600 (CST) From: Tenebrous Technologies Subject: DG: A Ruuinous Call ALERT ALERT ALERT SEARCH FOR EASTERN SEABORD Watch for activity snake-like, or voodounista-like, watch. +_+_+_+_+_+_+ Tenebrous Technologies- 'Guile, Deceit, Treachery!' Matt Cowger, CEO tenebrae@earthling.net http://home.gvi.net/~tenebrae Vox: (###)###-##### +_+_+_+_+_+_+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 01:43:51 -0500 From: Steven Kaye Subject: DG: Japanese Red Army and the Red Brigades Various websites discussing the Japanese Red Army: http://www.nps.navy.mil/~library/tgp/jra.html (Short profile of the group - knock off the /jra.html to see what other terrorist goodies await. This looks to have been used by a number of other sites.) http://www.acsp.uic.edu/OICJ/PUBS/CJI/120321a.htm (Crime & Justice International article on the Red Army, first part) http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/jra.htm (Federation of American Scientists' profile - again, knock off the /jra.htm for more terrorist fun) http://www.theage.com.au/special/asiaonline/japan/rs022097.htm (Gloating article on how the Japanese Red Army has come to naught) http://burn.ucsd.edu/archives/ats-l/1997.Mar/0033.html (Lebanese indictment of JRA members) http://www.st.rim.or.jp/~ikita/DOC/s002t001.html (Useful if obviously biased history of the left-wing in Japan, from which the Japanese Red Army sprang in the late 1960's) http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/magazine/1997/int/970428/asia.excerpts.html ("They Don't Like Ike" VERY VERY briefly discusses the Zengakuren's role in protests over the U.S.-Japanese Security Treaty) Yukio Mishima (right-wing nationalist writer) http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/mishima.htm (Decent article on Mishima, including his foundation of the Shield Society) http://www.poth.demon.co.uk/mishima/mishima.html (Very nice Mishima site, if apologetic) http://www.vill.yamanakako.yamanashi.jp/bungaku/mishima/index-e.html (Mishima Yukio Cyber Museum) http://www.nabeshima.com/nb/life/dhessay1.html (Discussion of Mishima's suicide and possible motives, his politics - including his private army, and his aesthetics. Good bibliography.) http://www.tao.ca/ainfos/A-Infos96/5/0014.html (Arm the Spirit discussion of Japanese right-wing groups - look them up yourself) Red Brigades and Other Italian Goings-On, for my fellow Octaman survivor Besides the profiles at the Navy and FAS sites, there are also http://www.worldmedia.com/caq/articles/gladio.html (Article from Covert Action Quarterly discussing Gladio and the possibility that Moro's kidnap-murder was orchestrated as a punishment for trying to get Communists into Italy's government) http://www.sofri.org/indipendent.html (The incident that was the basis for Dario Fo's "Accidental Death of an Anarchist") http://www.spqr.net/cives/campidoglio/apollo/ossbr.htm (Brief history of the Red Brigades, in Italian) http://www.etext.org/Politics/Arm.The.Spirit/Guerrilla/Europe/Red.Brigades/red-b rigades.mini-history (Detailed and rather apologetic history of the Brigades from Arm the Spirit) http://www.xs4all.nl/~welschen/Archief/moro2.html (More on Moro,in Italian) http://www.csmonitor.com/durable/1998/03/27/intl/intl.2.html (Inconclusive Christian Science Monitor on growth of the right-wing in Italy, focusing on the National Alliance) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/5999/abst2.html (Pamphlet, in Italian, accusing Umberto Eco of being a champion of neo-gnosticism and a 'master of deception') http://www.forza-italia.it/ Forza Italia's official home page, in Italian) http://www.lol.shareworld.com/zmag/articles/jan94donofrio.htm (Dated, but gives a good overview of the foundation of the National Alliance) http://www.alternatives.com/crime/ANDRIOTI.HTML (Giulio Andreotti's curious associates) http://semlab2.sbs.sunysb.edu/Users/pludlow/peter1.txt (Italian BBS crackdown as politically motivated) Surprisingly, not much on the murder (assassination?) of Pasolini, or right-wing groups beyond Forza Italia, the Northern League, and the National Alliance. P2 I think Davide already covered. Steven - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Kaye box_nine@ix.NOSPAM.netcom.com "Now, just let me fix this band on your head," I added, as I adjusted the electrode. -- William Hope Hodgson, "The Hog" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:23:35 +0000 From: Phil Ward Subject: Re: DG: Emerald Hammer - Links between chapters The Man in Black wrote: > > Individual authors or just anyone can feel free to comment, critique or > add to this list of links: > > Chapter Five: LIBRETTO begun by Interpol, attracts attention of the > Vatican (Chapter Eight). OK, lots of ghouls here, my ritter/Bischoffe is goig to be a necromancer in the traditional sense of the word (divining from the dead), so he's going to need a steady supply of dead bodies in the same way that the anzique needds live ones. He either buys them from the ghouls, or sells them back to them afterwards (the magic lends a certain flavour to the flesh...). > Chapter Six: Chinese Tongs link to Chapter Nine, Hastur Cult links to > Mexico City (Chapter Ten). Hastur cult, oops, better make that somewhat tenuous. I have lots of stuff to stuff into a small adventure anyway.... OK, for my links: 1) Chinese tong links, they're supplying drugs, have them stolen by the AB, and have possession of the tome _just_ before the mission starts. (Links to CHINA) 2) There's an arabic translator in their, might be a link to others of his ilk. 3) South america is a major drug exporter, so some of the tongs stuff comes from there... (Links to South America) 4) As is the far east. (Links to CHINA) 5) Perhaps a few minor NPOC links, certainly the PC's ought to start wondering about the scope of the K's activities when they find evidence of membership owned by two completely disparate NPC's.... That's it for now. More to come. Stay tuned Same Hammer-time Same Hammer-channel.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 01:04:29 +1300 (NZDT) From: Svend Andersen Subject: DG: Operation HIGHJUMP et al. Thanks to Michael Layne for the excellent data on the ships of HIGHJUMP. I'm meant to be running a game this weekend based around an incident related to HIGHJUMP, involving American schenanigans in New Zealand territories: "In March 1947 the icebreaker Eastwind was returning from Antarctica where it had been participating in the US Navy's "Operation Highjump", when it passed through a fairly severe storm which caused slight damage to the vessel. The commanding officer used this as an excuse to put into Antipodes Island without the knowledge or consent of the New Zealand government. The real purpose of the visit was to carry out a survey of the island's topography and resources, presumably to determine its suitablity as a US Naval base. ..." - Protest: Demonstrations Against the American Military Presence in New Zealand. Now, there was no governmental stink - the US has a bunch of surveilance bases in NZ, and practically runs the GCSB (our equivalent of the NSA), just like Britain had a large hand in setting up the SIS (the internal spy-guys). But I digress... The scenario I am thinking of running goes something like this: the players are people on the Southwind. I'm going to lay hints that the storm might have been a bit convenient, and that the group of Government Men who are always tucked away in that off-limits cabin might have had something to do with it... (Of course, one of the players will get to be a low ranking Government Man. :) When the island is actually investigated, it turns out that the Americans were not the first people to think that this would make a good remote base. Just as the Government Men suspected, the Nazis had landed here... (cue Nazi regalia, hastily abandoned camp (a la Marie Celeste?), and one or two Resucitated Casualties... :) Now, this should get them a bit nervous... and when a search party simply goes missing, they should get even more so. My current feeling is that this island (or whatever was here previous) was considered as a base for things far older than the Nazis, and the unfortunate fascists germinated some kind of Spaceport seed, with attendant shoggoths or what-have-you. This is the haziest bit, and any suggestions are greatfully accepted. Preferably, the players get to try and blow up the cave in which the Space Port has been growing, and Seal The Monstrosity Away For All Time... ;) Now, there are a few things I'd appreciate help with: o the Government Men - they are likely to be ONI? o how many crew do the Wind class ships take? What kind of military grunts are they likely to pack, and/or what kind of training would the sailors have? o Antipodes Island is a wee hunk of rock in the middle of nowhere - a bit of vegetation, seals, birds, and that's about it. It's called Antipodes Island because it is exactly oposite to Grenwich. I've got a reference that mentions that it's volcanic... does anyone have any other details available? I'll be hitting the library too, of course... o any thoughts on the makers of the Spaceport seed? Or for a more appropriate menace? Of course, what would then be fun is to run a modern DG game where MAJESTIC is trying to reopen the sealed port... :) be seeing you, Svend __________________________________________________________________________ svend@sans.vuw.ac.nz . . . o o o O O O * O O O o o o . . . Svend Andersen Do Biochemistry! Please ignore any spacecraft. ^ ^ ^ - - - + + + * + + + - - - ^ ^ ^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:27:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Joseph Ellis Subject: Re: DG: The Fairfield Assassination On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Mark McFadden@warnerbros.com wrote: > >empty or filled with someone else's corpus delecti (or, if you're a > >Monty-Haul Keeper - seven thousand Krugerands, $13 million in bearer > >bonds with verification coupons attached, and a +7 Defender named > >"Durandal" :) > > And the body of a jackal, a heart of gold, a brain, True Love, the > Holy Grail, courage, whatever was shining in the briefcase in Pulp > Fiction, Rosebud, Keyser Soza and a baby's arm holding an apple. > OK, I got all of those references, apart from the last. Wheres the apple and arm from? Steve. "In the long run, we are all dead" -Keynes. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:19:54 +0900 (JST) From: ft203004@fsinet.or.jp (Jay and Mikiko ) Subject: Re: DG: Japanese Red Army and the Red Brigades >Various websites discussing the Japanese Red Army: <> >Steven Steven, you're my hero. Jay - ------------------------------------------ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." Dave Barry, _Twenty-five Things I have Learned in Fifty Years_ - ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 14:18:25 +0100 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: Re: Re: Chicken & Egg Greetings. Marck McFadden pointed out some interesting Mythos-awareness seeds in HPL's fiction and then asked... > Can anyone come up with any other examples? How about in Lumley, or > Campbell? Lumley gave the whole thing a very bad turn when he came up with some half-assed "Wilmarth Foundation" for his Titus Crow stories. The idea is that the Dunwhich/Antartica survivors (IIRC) pooled their resources to found a private institution to face the Mythos. The guys are armed with Elder Signs, Vach-Virai rituals and other esotheric crap and look like a first-run team of formed D&D players and Call of Cthulhu Investigators. If from the above you assume that I do not like Lumley's Mythos fiction, you're right. On a more positive note: >I know a bunch of people saw Wilbur Whatley's brother. And they > weren't all "simple country folk" that could be easily dismissed. > New Orleans PD was aware of the local Cthulhu cult, and they knew > that some members escaped the raid in "The Call of Cthulhu". Fritz Leiber pointed out in his "A Literary Copernicus" that seldom mentioned Miskatonic U. Geologist Prof. William Dyer was part of both Antartica expedition of '31 and Australian Expedition of '35. He was also informed about some of the comings and goings in Vermont in which Wilmarth was involved. Of all HPL characters, he is therefore the one that more often (and variedly) came in contact with the Mythos. This guy knew lots of stuff - and could have had some Government ties (not unusual for a Geologist at the time, what with Survey projects and all that). And this is it, for the time being. Cheers. Davide Mana ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:38:28 +0100 From: Davide Mana Subject: DG: RE: Ross Ice Shelf (was Tradecraft - exotic ammo) Greetings. The man in Black is reading >"Icefire" a book by Judith and Garfield >Reeves-Stevens (ISBN 0671-01402-1). a book that will be dutifully added to the DG Booklist. On the other hand... >The cover jacket describes the evil terrorist plot to blow up the Ross Ice >Shelf with multiple nukes and send it plunging into the sea, flooding the >entire Pacific Rim, thus causing the death of millions. Said millions would probably die laughing. The Ross Ice Shelf is already floating on the Pacific, and "plunging it into the sea" would sure make waves, but little else. Now, nukes in Antartica is really a nasty idea - ecological shock, world held for ransom, Shoggots awakening whatever - but this Ross thingie is as rum as they come. >Where's James Bond >when you need 'em? Probably out making love to dozens of beautiful women >with sexually suggestive names. I gotta figure out how he does that. Knowing the basic glaciological facts above (hey, he's Bond, right?), he can relax. That helps a lot, they tell me. And then he gives a nice tip to the scriptwriter. Sorry for the intrusion. Take care. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it Nobody Does It Better ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 00:59:01 +1100 From: Rob Shankly Subject: Re: DG: DG : Query about english text of Tintin Plenty of others have confirmed that MiGo = Migou, and this was the source of the Fungi's name. PM wrote: > > Regarding a "Tintin" thread, some thought occured to me. > Would one of all the UK and US people on this list be able to tell > me how the Yeti was called by the monks in "Tintin in Tibet" ? (cut) In the Magnet edition of "Tintin in Tibet", the monks refer to the creature as "migou" or "the migou", while the abbott (translating for Tintin & Capt. Haddock) calls it yeh-teh, yeti and Abominable Snowman. "...it would be better if your friend were dead, for he is a prisoner of the migou. And the migou never surrenders his prey". (p51) - -- Rob Shankly ludo@bigpond.com.au Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you frantic. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 1999 09:00 GMT From: FRANK M ADAMS Subject: DG: Volcano Base Names The always warm and wonderful MiB wrote: <> I'm not too fluent in German, but how about: Spielplatz Der H”lle - Hell's Playground or Playground of Hell Werkstatt Der H”lle - Hell's Workshop or Workshop of Hell Villa des Feuers - Mansion of Fire Die FeuerH”hle - The Fire Cave Die H”lle Bohrung - The Hell Hole Die Feuergrube - The Fire Pit Die H”lle Grube - The Hell Pit Die Grube der H”lle - The Pit of Hell Happy New Year to everyone from The Quiet Man frank.m.adams@slchicago.infonet.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 18:06:23 +0000 From: Phil Ward Subject: DG: EH Update Oh yeah, I forgot to add, there's been an update to the Emerald Hammer site, with a few more documents added. Any broken stuff, extra chapters, etc, to the usualt adress, and my apologies for the delay on this update :( LAter Phil Ward ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:39:11 -0500 From: Doctor TOC Subject: Re: DG: The Fairfield Assassination Stephen Joseph Ellis wrote: > > OK, I got all of those references, apart from the last. Wheres the > apple and arm from? > Illuminatus Trilogy? Doctor TOC - -- The Reverend Doctor "The Other Chris" UIN # 4814586 URL: http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/wilhelm/148/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:36:47 -0500 From: "gable" Subject: DG: Re: Volcano Base Names It's January 6, 1999, and Frank M. Adams hath spake: ><somethin'.>> > >I'm not too fluent in German, but how about: (snipped many kewl firepit-type names) Got me thinking. How about just names for hell? AFAIK, most wouldn't be even changed in German. Something along the lines of Inferno, or Muspelheim (after the Norwegian hell), or Erebus, or Tartarus, or Gehenna...or how about "Teufelhaus" (Devil's House) or something. Andrew D. Gable ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:59:00 -0800 From: "Mark McFadden@warnerbros.com" Subject: DG: Baby's arm holding an apple. > >>And the body of a jackal, a heart of gold, a brain, True Love, the >>Holy Grail, courage, whatever was shining in the briefcase in Pulp >>Fiction, Rosebud, Keyser Soza and a baby's arm holding an apple. >> > OK, I got all of those references, apart from the last. Wheres > > the apple and arm from? > > Steve. The quote was originally from Tennessee Williams, a character in a story uses the analogy to describe the dimensions a fellows naughty bits. Over time it worked it's way into literary legend. Tacking that on to the end of a list of things was a nod to the Tubes song "What Do You Want From Life?" The last item of a long list of things at the end of the song is the legendary infant appendage. Which reminds me...I've been meaning to ask Joseph Camp if he knows where the Smithsonian is keeping John Dillinger's dick. Mark McFadden "Damn you Smithsonian bastards, the Truth is in there! You can't cover this up, it's too big!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:58:08 -0500 From: "Duran Goodyear" Subject: DG: Re: Baby's arm holding an apple. Wow, you've been reading a little to much of the illuminati books havn't you? :) > Which reminds me...I've been meaning to ask Joseph Camp if he knows > where the Smithsonian is keeping John Dillinger's dick. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 1999 15:48 GMT From: FRANK M ADAMS Subject: Re: DG: Re: Volcano Base Names Andrew D. Gable, Ex-Lord of the Dance and Future MiB wrote: <<(snipped many kewl firepit-type names) Got me thinking. How about just names for hell? AFAIK, most wouldn't be even changed in German. Something along the lines of Inferno, or Muspelheim (after the Norwegian hell), or Erebus, or Tartarus, or Gehenna...or how about "Teufelhaus" (Devil's House) or something.>> Excellent idea! I was going that way, but Inferno was too Americanized for me and I wanted it to sound REALLY German! ;) Tuefelhaus is pretty good though. Didn't even think Devil. We could even go with something like CERBERUS or DIE CERBERUS and have three main volcanic vents or three submarine bays or something like that... The Quiet Man frank.m.adams@slchicago.infonet.com ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V1 #264 ********************************