From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V1 #286 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Tuesday, January 19 1999 Volume 01 : Number 286 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:44:06 +0200 (SAT) From: Nightgaunt Subject: Re: DG: yuggoth isn't a planet > > >>> > ObDG: What if the Mi-go decided to create a new base, much closer to Earth > - a staging area for their activities. An observant/unlucky astronomer > could notice activity/lights on the Moon (or Mars) and try to make his > knowledge public ... > <<< > Why? Closer large-scale bases would be easier to reach and more of a > risk, and less than needed with all those gates around. > Ur. Good point. I was thinking of inefficient flying-through-space stuff (Mi-go with their wings, Greys with their ships). Oh, all right, I thought that up in the 30 seconds it took me to reply and was thinking much. But seriously, how much traffic can the Mi-go shunt through gates without someone noticing something? For example, if the Mi-go are mining rare ores from Earth and moving it to Yuggoth, and have been doing so for millions of years, wouldn't the orbits of both be altered slightly? So there is still something for the observant/unlucky astronomer to notice. - -- Austin Chamberlain Ia, etc. austin (at) infront.co.za "You should never mix drinks or Great Old Ones." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:01:05 +0000 (GMT) From: David Clements Subject: DG: Nukes, subs and things... wrt nukes and cultists and (in this case) N. Korea, has anyone wondered what happened to the nukes on the various subs that have been (supposedly) lost to Deep Ones over the years? Maybe they're busy smuggling them into population centres at the moment to trigger some nuclear inspired chaos. Maybe they're more interested in selling them on to tohers to make the chaos for them. (Deep Delivery service calls on the Presidential Palace in Bagdad?) And another thought... Many of the worlds nuclear testing sites are in the south pacific, a notable centre of cthulhoid activity. Is this a coincidence? (which actually leads back to the issue of France and DG... Was there anything more than national pride and tub thunping behind their resuming testing at Muroroa in 1995, or was there something more sinister going on that had to be stopped? The people who *might* know would be CEA, the Commisariat pour Energie Atomique, who research into many more things than just nuclear weapons and power. I used to do astrophysics research with them, so I'd better be quiet now before the Men with Gauloises arrive). Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:38:36 +0000 (GMT) From: David Clements Subject: DG: Nature of Azathoth Interesting thoughts on the nature of Azathoth... wrt. the Great Attractor, it seems the latest astronomical data suggests that the GA isn't as great as we thought it was. It seems its not attracting things from all around, but is instead itself being pulled towards something bigger and further away known as the Shapley Concentration (IIRC). Anyone interested I can get paper references for. Meanwhile though, on the nuclear and subatomic scale, the comment that Azathoth is the "seething nuclear chaos" sounds more like the quantum mechanical vacuum than a singlularity or cosmological structure. The current thoughts are that, at the smallest scale, the vacuum itself is a seething mess of creation and destruction of virtual particles, wormholes and maybe even whole universes that appear for an undetectable moment and then disappear. If that seething mess could have a malign sentience, Azathoth would fit the bill very well. And this might lead to the veneration of fission, fusion etc. since they're getting closer to Azathoth's scale and, in fact, by converting some real mass into energy, might be interpretted as creating more 'empty space' to be filled by the Cthulhoid vacuum. Its an interesting step from there to the researches of theortical physicists who are currently having serious problems understanding the vacuum. One might expect some of them to go mad as they discover the True Horror, and thence become cultists... And what about the experiments at CERN and elsewhere. Maybe something like MJ-12 is working behind the scenes there? Hmmm - maybe I should be glad I went into astrophysics and not particle physics. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:41:59 BST From: "Christopher Williams" Subject: Re: DG: yuggoth isn't a planet "R. Menzi" said >They're goingto put it to a vote, but the main thing is that Pluto >doesn't have what it takes to make as a soalr planet. Now, >according to the BBC report, they aren't sure what it is. A really >big comet or a moon that was pulled off one of the gas giants (by >what?) are the most prevailent ideas at the moment. The people that >claim the Mi-Go made it are just laughed at, but no one can really >answer what put it where it is. My gods! A topic comes up on this ML that I actually know something about! Finally I can contribute! Finally I can prove my worth... Pluto/Yuggoth is tiny. Really, really tiny. It's smaller than the Earth's moon, and only a litle bigger than Mercury. However, Mercury used to be bigger: being so close to the Sun for so long has meant that everything but the core has boiled away into space. Yuggoth is generally thought to be just a Really Big Rock (TM) from the Kuiper Belt (astreoid belt just outside Yuggoth's orbit). Yuggoth was discovered by an astronomer who'd lost most of his credibility over Barnard's Star (He thought there was a planet orbitting it... turned out his telescope was wobbly.) When he discovered Yuggoth, the Astronomical community decided to give the old boy something to keep him quiet, so they let him call it a planet. There is no fixed definition of the word "planet" in astronomy. It can refer to anything that isn't a star or star-like object. There are loads of lesser planets (big rocks) in our solar system: every so-often someone'll find a new one, and the newspapers'll have a fit. (NEW PLANET IN SOLAR SYSTEM! SCIENTISTS BAFFLED! etc) ObMythos: Yuggoth was not observed before 1930. The first readings of it's position were variable and uncertain, due to lack of data. It is possible that the entire planet is nothing more than a Mi-Go worldship. ObDG: (trying to think up new slant for old "crazed mythos astronomer" ploy.) Have fun, Chris Williams Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Trace elements. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:32:52 +0100 From: Davide Mana Subject: DG: Re: [fiction] Alice corrected Hi, Dave! >Ah, hell, that was supposed to go straight to Davide. My apologies. Well, the least I can do is thank you in public ;-> I'm planning a definitive, De-Luxe edition of Alice, including your corrections (with the due credit given) and some illustrations (I'm working on this by night), for the Theobaldus web page. And a new chapter is coming, so cringe oh you listmembers (or simply delete it when it comes). I've been list-wise idle in the last few days because of a very nice book I found... . Foreign Devils on the Silk Road by Robert Hopkirk (U.of Massachussets Press, 1980, ISBN 0-87023-435-8). Hopkirk is an expert on the least known history of Central Asia (his "The Great Game" is a great half brick on Russian/British spy-war in 19th century Asia). Subtitled "The Search for the Lost Cities and Treasures of Chinese Central Asia", the booklet that's monopolizing my attention at the moment gives a detailed overview on some real-life Indiana Jones stuff in the last 150 years. Chapter 12, "Tun-huang, The Hidden Library" looks promising, if you catch my drift. Back to the book. Take care. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:44:00 +0100 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: Nukes, subs and things... Greetings again. Dave Clements wrote >wrt nukes and cultists and (in this case) N. Korea, has anyone wondered >what happened to the nukes on the various subs that have been >(supposedly) lost to Deep Ones over the years? > >Maybe they're busy smuggling them into population centres at the moment >to trigger some nuclear inspired chaos. They are cunning bastards with long memories: I guess they're waiting for the next attack on one of their cities. What about the Deep Ones suddenly going Cold War on us? "You know 'bout us, we know you. You got nukes, we got 'em too" And on the subject of our Gallic neighbours and their habit of going bang in the South Seas... >And another thought... Many of the worlds nuclear testing sites are in >the south pacific, a notable centre of cthulhoid activity. Is this a >coincidence? > >(which actually leads back to the issue of France and DG... Was there >anything more than national pride and tub thunping behind their resuming >testing at Muroroa in 1995, or was there something more sinister going on >that had to be stopped? The people who *might* know would be CEA, the >Commisariat pour Energie Atomique, who research into many more things >than just nuclear weapons and power. I used to do astrophysics research >with them, so I'd better be quiet now before the Men with Gauloises >arrive). A few other things to put on the bill of the French: - - colonies in the right places (Indocine, North Africa, Guyane) - - big shot occultists (St. Germain) - - masons - - Paris underground/underground Paris - - Averoigne - - Poictesme (check the Dreamland connection) - - Belphagor, the Ghost of the Louvre If the Brits have PISCES, the French _must_ have something similar (if for nothing else, just not to stay behind). Do we know something about Dave's "Men with Gauloises"? Think about it. Cheers! Davide Mana ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:22:12 +0100 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: yuggoth isn't a planet Greetings. I'm quite happy to see the new subject proliferation on the list. Christpher Williams postulated a Mi-Go worldship (I like that!) and wrote >Yuggoth was discovered by an astronomer who'd lost most of his >credibility over Barnard's Star (He thought there was a planet >orbitting it... turned out his telescope was wobbly.) His telescope was _not_ wobbly. "I tell you there was a planet orbiting Barnard Star! It ain't there anymore but two weeks ago it _was_ there, and it was big!" If only had his telescope been potent enough to let him see the big red eye... >When he >discovered Yuggoth, the Astronomical community decided to give the >old boy something to keep him quiet, so they let him call it a >planet. Rather ironic, had they let him keep Yuggoth, and go public about it, so he'd keep mum on the "planet" orbiting Barnard Star. Two cents in the Yuggoth fountain Take care, and keep watching the sky. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:25:40 -0500 From: "Jimmie Bise, Jr." Subject: DG: Re: Re: We want you! > Maybe the volume of traffic drew the attention of Something > (maybe MJ-12, maybe the Karotechia...) and only through a stroke of Fate > (no, not _you_, Alzis!) have survived to tell the tale.... :) I've seen that, during Federal Holidays in the United States, the list traffic dips. Yesterday was the observations of Martin Luther King's Birthday, which is also a Federal Holiday (meaning the government is closed, as are most private offices and banks and such). My guess is that most of the folks on the list weren't working, and were either vegetating at home (like the Fun-guys we are) or out cavorting and frolicking with their families. This, of couse, implies that most of the list, myself included, post regularly from work, so this definitely says something about us. I'm not sure what...but something. - -Jimmie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:37:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Joseph Ellis Subject: DG: Great Old Ones PBeM Hi all, Just a quick message to let list members know that we still have 2 places open in our free 6-person Great Old Ones PBeM, the game where you get to usher in the Endtimes. The game will last 10 weeks, is easy to learn, and should be fun. If your interested please contact me soon. Steve. "In the long run we are all dead" -John Maynard Keynes ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jan 1999 16:12:55 GMT From: "Jacob Busby Bsc." Subject: DG: Quiet List and what to do about it. From: Jacob Busby, IT Consultant, Tech Futures, IT Data Centre, Hampshire County Council, The Castle, Winchester. Tel: (01962) 845375 Agent Gable suggested the list was quiet, which usually means its a good time to post a new thread. In this spirit of enlightment I'm suggesting the following thread: There is a Box-Out section in the DG book "What do they Know?" which states what DG know (A Keeper call) So the question is simple - how much do other Keepers allow DG to know and how much of the Mythos still remains unknown to them? On a related note how much does DG trust the cell with? _________ I Never saw anybody take so long to dress, and /__ __/ /__ with such little result. __/ / / . / /___/ /____/ "The importance of being earnest", Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:45:27 GMT0BST From: Robert Thomas Subject: Re: DG: Quiet List and what to do about it. Jacob wrote: >On a related note how much does DG trust the cell with? Hello All, I'd say that in any organisational set up like DG the level of trust of each cell would be determined by the effectiveness / life span of that cell. Now I'm assuming that Cell A determines effectiveness by several factors eg: 1 Successful handling of Assignments, 2 Ability to keep things quiet. (Oh dear M cell gonna be visited by Andrea). 3 The longer the cell has been in existance and has been "successful" the more likely that request for information will be allowed. Feel free to chip in more factors if you want. Obviously this means that the newer the cell the 'harder' the missions are and the more experienced the 'easier' they are, (in terms of support not in terms of how difficult thats up to the individual Keeeper to balance). This has to be a deliberate policy of Cell A after all they want the best most effective problem solvers, and as we all know survival of the fittest / smartest. This would perhaps require Cell A to withold information from novice cells for security reasons and even to see if the agents involved are 'tough' enough to survive without help. Obviously one result from this is that the more experienced cell will get the real Hot Potatoes and be expected to deal with it. Be seeing you, Rob. P.S. Shane obviously none of the above applies to M cell ;-) J.R.E.Thomas. ThomasR@cardiff.ac.uk Our kind. Us people. All of us that started the game with a crooked cue, that wanted so much and got so little, that meant so good and did so bad. Jim Thompson 'The Killer Inside Me' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:59:19 -0800 From: Christian Conkle Subject: DG: RE: Re: Re: We want you! My Gods! Jimmie Bise Jr. pegged me dead on. Yesterday was a holiday and I wasn't at work, where I normally post from. I coulda' posted from home, and indeed I checked my e-mail from home, but my Web-interface e-mail client sucks and I hate posting with it. Anyway, Hope all the other Yanks on this list enjoyed MLK's day and took a moment to consider his contributions to our society. ObDG: James Earl Ray was a Patsy. MJ-12 killed MLK as his family suspects. Was it simply political? Or was it motivated by measures to cover up something MLK knew too much about? Okay, okay, I'm stretching for something ObDG here... cut me some slack. - ----------------------------------------------------- Christian Conkle Web Development Specialist Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory work: conklec@nwrel.org home: conkle@europa.com - ----------------------------------------------------- On Tuesday, January 19, 1999 6:26 AM, Jimmie Bise, Jr. [SMTP:jimmiebjr@olg.com] wrote: > > Maybe the volume of traffic drew the attention of Something > > (maybe MJ-12, maybe the Karotechia...) and only through a stroke of Fate > > (no, not _you_, Alzis!) have survived to tell the tale.... :) > > I've seen that, during Federal Holidays in the United States, the list > traffic dips. Yesterday was the observations of Martin Luther King's > Birthday, which is also a Federal Holiday (meaning the government is > closed, as are most private offices and banks and such). My guess is that > most of the folks on the list weren't working, and were either vegetating > at home (like the Fun-guys we are) or out cavorting and frolicking with > their families. > > This, of couse, implies that most of the list, myself included, post > regularly from work, so this definitely says something about us. I'm not > sure what...but something. > > -Jimmie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:08:34 -0800 From: Christian Conkle Subject: DG: RE: Quiet List and what to do about it. In my DG campaign, DG knew all about MJ-12, the greys, and the Deep Ones, but only as much as Mulder would know in the X-Files. They would trust agents and friendlies on a "Need to know" basis. DG also used NSA and CIA elint to keep track of suspected MJ-12 activities. To illustrate an example, to start the campaign off, I had one of the PC's, a female Marine Corps sniper with no advancement opportunity, be approached by elements of MJ-12 to be an assassin, grooming her for possible NRO-Delta recruitment. DG elint comes across this recruitment by breaking an coded message. In order to use her as a double-agent, they recruit her and tell her about MJ-12 and give her a counter-assignment, using threat of prosecution to get her to cooperate. She cooperated and wound up being put on MJ-12's blacklist and DG's goodlist (and later Agent). In other words, DG in this campaign saw itself as needing to investigate and possibly thwart MJ-12's operations. Did they know about the Grey/Mushroom connection? No, but the adventure hinted at it (the PC's thought there were two seperate alien species, and perhaps the crab-looking things were servants or enemies of the Greys). - ----------------------------------------------------- Christian Conkle Web Development Specialist Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory work: conklec@nwrel.org home: conkle@europa.com - ----------------------------------------------------- On Tuesday, January 19, 1999 8:13 AM, Jacob Busby Bsc. [SMTP:ITDCJB@hants.gov.uk] wrote: > From: Jacob Busby, IT Consultant, > Tech Futures, IT Data Centre, Hampshire County Council, > The Castle, Winchester. Tel: (01962) 845375 > > > Agent Gable suggested the list was quiet, which usually means its a good time > to post a new thread. In this spirit of enlightment I'm suggesting the > following thread: > > There is a Box-Out section in the DG book "What do they Know?" which states > what DG know (A Keeper call) So the question is simple - how much do other > Keepers allow DG to know and how much of the Mythos still remains unknown to > them? On a related note how much does DG trust the cell with? > > _________ I Never saw anybody take so long to dress, and > /__ __/ /__ with such little result. > __/ / / . / > /___/ /____/ "The importance of being earnest", Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:17:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: Re: DG: yuggoth isn't a planet On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Davide Mana wrote: > Christpher Williams postulated a Mi-Go worldship (I like that!) and wrote Hey! A Mi-Go worldship? How about Phobos, one of Mars' moons? I don't know if it's a Net Urban Legend or based on fact, but evidently Phobos' orbit pattern is all screwy. Author Frank Edwards says that Phobos might be hollow, but I take Edwards' words with a grain of salt (I could explain, but won't, it's too off-topic). But a cool idea...maybe the Mi-Go's lunar temple-base was raided by DG allies in NASA and now they use Phobos. ************************************************************************* * * * Andrew D. Gable * * agable@falcon.lhup.edu * * * * I ask nothing. Is that so very much to ask? * * - The Tear Garden, "Crying from Outside" * * * ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:22:26 -0400 (EDT) From: POOH@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu Subject: Re: DG: RE: _Holding On_ III: King of Kings The story is far from finished... but I thought I would get the somewhat polished chapters out. Thanks for the feedback! - -Will ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:21:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: DG: News Monitoring: 19 JAN 99 http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558085279-6c4 Illegal medical experimentation! Oh joy! ************************************************************************* * * * Andrew D. Gable * * agable@falcon.lhup.edu * * * * I ask nothing. Is that so very much to ask? * * - The Tear Garden, "Crying from Outside" * * * ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:28:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: Re: DG: Nukes, subs and things... On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Davide Mana wrote: > - Poictesme (check the Dreamland connection) What is this? I vaguely recall the name, but for the life of me can't place it. > - Belphagor, the Ghost of the Louvre Hmm. Any ghost with the name of a medieval demon can't be all bad...(evil grin). ************************************************************************* * * * Andrew D. Gable * * agable@falcon.lhup.edu * * * * I ask nothing. Is that so very much to ask? * * - The Tear Garden, "Crying from Outside" * * * ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:13:26 -0500 From: "Jimmie Bise, Jr." Subject: Re: DG: yuggoth isn't a planet Okay folks, I'm an amateur astronomer with only a smattering of knowledge in this subject, but I have a question. What disqualifies Pluto from being a planet? Sure it's just a hunk of rock, but aren't several other planets in our solar system? It has an irregular orbit, but what orbits in our solar system are perfect ones? Is there just some kind of committee that decides what is and isn't a planet? - -Jimmie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:55:49 -0800 From: Christian Conkle Subject: RE: DG: yuggoth isn't a planet For the straight info on Pluto's Planethood (or not), check out: http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/98feb/pluto.htm http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/astronomy/faq/part5/faq-d oc-12.html and http://www.lowell.edu/users/buie/pluto/sites.html - ----------------------------------------------------- Christian Conkle Web Development Specialist Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory work: conklec@nwrel.org home: conkle@europa.com - ----------------------------------------------------- On Tuesday, January 19, 1999 11:13 AM, Jimmie Bise, Jr. [SMTP:jimmiebjr@olg.com] wrote: > Okay folks, I'm an amateur astronomer with only a smattering of knowledge > in this subject, but I have a question. What disqualifies Pluto from being > a planet? Sure it's just a hunk of rock, but aren't several other planets > in our solar system? It has an irregular orbit, but what orbits in our > solar system are perfect ones? Is there just some kind of committee that > decides what is and isn't a planet? > > -Jimmie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:54:00 -0800 From: "Mark McFadden@warnerbros.com" Subject: DG: Tradecraft - dirty fighting Davide Mana jammed on the theme of Tradecraft and Green Boxes and laid down: >"The side panels contained razor, shaving cream, blades, comb, >compressed dates," snip! >Also note that some of the things listed are subtler than they seem: >the razor is a formidable weapon in close quarters, and is perfectly >legal (AFAIK); In this case the razor is very legal because it's a safety razor; that's why blades are listed after shaving cream. But don't dispair, it's still a formidable weapon at close quarters. First: remove blade from safety razor. Grasp head of safety razor in fist with handle protruding between middle and ring finger. Punch the bejesus out of opponents as if using a punch dagger or kubotan. A solid blow to the eye or temple will probably be fatal. Open hand techniques can be used without letting go of the weapon. James Bond used this trick in "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" (the novel), he wore his heavy gold Rolex Oyster Perpetual diving watch on his other hand as a knuckle-duster. Second: the razor blades can be useful all over the place. Laid flat in the large end of your tie for later retrieval. Embedded in the sole of the shoe with an edge or corner exposed, an old Irish-American street gang trick. Held between fore- and middle finger for a surprise slash attack. Embedded in a piece of wood like the LA "zoot stick", a solid blow is blunt trauma, a glancing blow bleeds like a mofo. Mark McFadden Grand Master of Blue-Assed Baboon/Emperor Penguin Kenpo Karate Security Consultant for the Lollipop Guild voted Mr. Congeniality of the '97 Ultimate Fighting Championship and expert in 'bout 'leventy-seven different flavors o' whoopass. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:02:06 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Gwazdosky Subject: Re: DG: Musings on non-mythos insantity I like this idea. I'd always thought that long time agents would see DG as thier own version of "this thing we got" (La Cosa Nostra - sp?). I don't see that the ex-mobster needs to be insane. Sociopathic probably, but thats just a character flaw. :-) Not with my rule books at the moment so what does everyone suggest for templates (other than the 'gangster' profile from the 20's)? On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Marco S. Subias wrote: > In any case, the guy has no real problem killing people, even up close, > and is perfectly willing to beat information out of people, and > otherwise "send messages." > > I got to wondering, is such a person insane? - -- Transmission ends... be seeing you ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:10:18 +1300 (NZDT) From: Svend Andersen Subject: DG: [DG] Re: Stephen Hawking as Occult figure The notorious microbe-molester Graeme wrote, in reply to: >>Stephen Hawking as a closet "cult" leader, anyone? :) > One suspects that you are closer to the truth than you think here. > Maybe not Hawking (too obvious), but certainly the Shan would be > likely to have their fingers in all sorts of nuclear research type > pies. Joint European Torus - definitely. Aldermaston, Dounreay, > Sellafield, Hinkely B, Harwell... need I continue. Well, Hawking *has* done quite a bit of musing about God... what if, for some reason, his unusual state made him an unsuitable host for Shan? He would still be invaluable to them, as a possible ticket off this mudball; what if you were as intelligent as he is, but as dependent on technology, andyou gradually noticed that the people around you had... "changed". For my pick, this is why he threw over his first wife for his nurse; of course, the reason that *she* didn't change is because she was already under control when he met her... There's also the prospect of "Hawking as Elvis" - the inadvertant leader of a cult, rarely meeting its members, and quite possibly not knowing its existence. >:) And as for any DG agents who raid Hawking's house on the grounds of all these cult haunts they've found with shrines to him... oh dear, oh dear... >:) be seeing you, Svend __________________________________________________________________________ svend@sans.vuw.ac.nz . . . o o o O O O * O O O o o o . . . Svend Andersen Do Biochemistry! Please ignore any spacecraft. ^ ^ ^ - - - + + + * + + + - - - ^ ^ ^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:49:00 -0800 From: "Mark McFadden@warnerbros.com" Subject: DG: Green Box signature booze. My cargo container at Terminal Island has got a rather well-stocked bar, what with all the out of town traffic. A little heavy on the Night Train and Mad Dog 20/20 (the "wine" that killed Norfolk, VA!). Too many Feds who don't know how to fudge an expense report no doubt. Cheap bastards. Note to DEA types: don't get cute with your contributions, some of us get surprise piss tests. Mark McFadden Y'know, add a jukebox and a few tables, this could be a cozy little VIP lounge. Callahan's Endtimes Saloon anyone? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:25:27 +0100 (CET) From: alex@bofh.torun.pl (Janusz A. Urbanowicz) Subject: DG: Re: deltagreen-digest V1 #284 > Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:59:45 +0100 > From: Davide Mana > > Alex wrote > > >The Russkies actually produced cars called Volga, too. > > Instant flashback... > > Black Volga following me_ > Nobody's Car. > Mr. No-One at the wheel of > Nobody's Car. > Wet pavements, thin apartments_ > quiet dissent from darkened doorways. > I want out alive > Speak up for me if you can > in tourist city. > > and so on. > A spy-themed song from a spy-themed album from spy-stories afficionado Ian > Anderson and Jethro Tull. Gotta hear this. I'm running mostly on Pink Floyds and early Vangelis, ya'know. There is rather poor polish band that I personally like (but do not admit this often), called "Them Trio". They play very feature-rich /kitsch/y music that I wouldn't dare to call art-rock. Lots of keyboards, violins and the occasional piano. I can't stop asscociating one of their songs with Cthulhu/DG - there is something sinister in it. So I translated it: The Impatient Hunters words: Michał Wiśniewski (Michal WIsniewski) music: Jacek Łągwa (Jacek L/a,gwa) translation (poor): Janusz A. Urbanowicz [male voice I] You want to hunt people to learn who the enemy is Fights fought in the dark between doorsteps of heaven and hell [male voice II] You want to fight till the end fight for the endless[1] light Where shots, poisoned do not bleed, unlike me [both] We're left alone The impatient hunters Left with no chance, no country no heart, made of stone We wanted to find our own way to Heaven [male voice I] I don't want to know why we want to destroy it Do not howl, do not beg to see this all in the coffin [male voice II] When will you understand that the grace is the evil to forgive is the godly thing like love, like love and the evil [both] We're left alone The impatient hunters Left with no chance, no country no heart, made of stone We wanted to find our own way to Heaven [1] actually 'bottomless' I'm not sure this makes any sense in English, but I'm sure there's something mad in it. At least it would make interesting cultist invocation. The music is piano with whispered choirs and electronically added echo. Cheers Alex - -- * | Janusz A. "Alex" Urbanowicz, \ Home: --+~| | http://eris.phys.uni.torun.pl/~alex/ \ Work: `_|/ | \____ RSA: 512/0xAB425659 | | "Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:37:16 -0500 From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: Re: DG: yuggoth isn't a planet Jimmie politely enquired: >Okay folks, I'm an amateur astronomer with only a smattering of knowledge >in this subject, but I have a question. What disqualifies Pluto from being >a planet? Sure it's just a hunk of rock, but aren't several other planets >in our solar system? It has an irregular orbit, but what orbits in our >solar system are perfect ones? Is there just some kind of committee that >decides what is and isn't a planet? Well, according to the 8th Januray issue of Science [Schilling, G. (1999) Science 283(5399) p157], there are moves afoot to reclassify Pluto as a "Trans-Neptunian Object", hence removing it's planetary status. This is because "Pluto turned out to be much smaller than all the other planets (according to recent estimates, its diameter is only 2200 kilometers), and its orbit is strangely elongated. It didn't belong with either the Earth-like rocky planets or the gas giants.", but more likely because some astronomers wanted to cause trouble. TNO's are effectively lumps of ice which orbit the sun (many as part of the Kuiper belt) such as the "ice dwarf" called QB-1 (about 200 km in diameter). Some astronomers think that Pluto fits into the classification of TNO better than it fits into the category of "planet". There are apparently over 70 TNO's already in existence, but if it is redesignated as a TNO, the official designation would be TN-1 (or TN-0), but this is all quite controversial and the Internation Astronomical Union is collecting votes on it at the moment. In practical terms, I don't suppose that redesignation will matter to anyone except astronomers (who periodically have to make some fuss about irrelevant details to prove that they actually *do* something!). Naturally, I'm way off base on this one (my field of scientific expertise runs to the sub-microscopic, rather than planetary, level!!). On a slightly related note, there are apparently almost 10,000 recognised minor bodies (mostly asteroids) in the solar system - any or all of which could be a Mi-Go/Shan base, spawn of Ghroth, Yog Sothoth's gall stones etc. etc. Later Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:42:37 -0500 (EST) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: rec.games.frp.misc and rec.games.frp.advocacy and On Sun, 17 Jan 1999, Davide Mana wrote: > >It sounds as if a wonderful business > >opportunity exists in Italy to muscle in on their territory. > I'd rather start a line as a pirate in the Mediterranean - I feel it's > cleaner, safer and much more amusing. Aye, everyone wants to be Jolly R. Blackburn. The Open sea... the spray of waves in yer beard, the squawk of Polly as you broadside the landlubbers cruise ship. ARR! That's Livin', Matey! Fly ye Skull and Crossbones and Prepare to be BOARDED ye Scurvy Dogs! > It's true you make less money, but you don't spend the best part of your > life among manga-maniacs and trekkies. That is what you call a target rich environment. Every game convention is a game of non-consensual whack-a-mole for me and the Great Black Nerf Cluebat O' DEATH~! The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum [Choke on it!] CH3-P(=O)(-SCH2CH2N[CH(CH3)2]2)(-OC2H5) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:46:06 +0100 From: Jesper Anderson Subject: Re: DG: Musings on non-mythos insantity Agent Terry mused: >I don't see that the ex-mobster needs to be insane. Sociopathic probably, >but thats just a character flaw. :-) Insanity comes in many flavors. It's not unlikely that a mobster has seen (and done) enough gruesome things to have developed an immunity to SAN loss for seeing mutilated corpses. Along with this comes, of course, a slight bit of paranoia (not necessarily the indefinite insanity, just the healthy amount that all players let their characters have anyway), a tendency for pragmatic (read: sociopathic) solutions to problems, and thus a slight disrespect for social norms whenever things heat up. Combine this with a life where things heat up a lot, and you've got - a player character. :) In short, a number of indefinite insanities, but to a lesser degree. This can easily be handled by the rules as an indefinite insanity; slight sociopath. We're not talking a Zero SAN Hero (tm), but just a slight tendency to not behave as society would have it. Of course, this brings us into dangerous territory - just what is SAN, and insanity? I'm not treading that gungfly today :) Thanks for your time, Jesper - --- When all is said and done, much more is said than done -- David Cutler ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:55:33 -0500 (EST) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Re: We want you! On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Michael Layne wrote: > I've kind of noticed the low traffic, myself... For awhile, we > were generating a hundred or so postings a day -- many of them having to > do with EH, or with insulting contests between various Agents and Case > Officers and Field-Marshal MiB (or is that Sports Reporter MiB, or The > Dread Pirate MiB?)!:) Or Spicy Flamengo Jack, or Flaming Chicken Jack, or Firefighter Jack. Action Figures available this Spring from McFarlane Toys... The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum [Choke On It!] CH3-P(=O)(-SCH2CH2N[CH(CH3)2]2)(-OC2H5) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:15:30 -0500 (EST) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: yuggoth isn't a planet On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Nightgaunt wrote: > I thought that up in the 30 seconds it took me to reply and was thinking > much. But seriously, how much traffic can the Mi-go shunt through gates > without someone noticing something? For example, if the Mi-go are mining > rare ores from Earth and moving it to Yuggoth, and have been doing so > for millions of years, wouldn't the orbits of both be altered slightly? > So there is still something for the observant/unlucky astronomer to > notice. Supposedly, the ores are accessed from points on Earth. That is to say, the ores the Mi-Go mine are Not-OF-This-Earth and exist in otherworldly dimensions that would drive a West Virginian Coal Miner out of his hard hat. What happens after mining or refining is another mystery. The ores might be taken to Yuggoth for refining or manufacture, but from thence might end up just about anywhere in this or any other universe. Legend states that the Mi-Go came from Ursa Major or the Big Dipper constellations. This could mean the stars there, or that general direction from a gate in orbit, or from nebulas in that direction... the possibilities are endless. We can also surmise that mass and physics can be ignored by the Mi-Go, perhaps the ores they mine are massless, or display mass in other dimensions. Who knows? Our pitiful human understanding will always be insufficient to ponder such esoterica. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum [Choke On It!] CH3-P(=O)(-SCH2CH2N[CH(CH3)2]2)(-OC2H5) ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V1 #286 ********************************