From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V1 #303 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Thursday, January 28 1999 Volume 01 : Number 303 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:27:50 +0100 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: DG Adventures in Catholocism (Was: Who Ya Gonna Call?) It's all a matter of _where_ you place your bugs... > Off-topic, but I've got to comment: In point of fact, Anglican clergy, >if they convert to Catholicism, can retain their status, as they are the >only other Church to follow Apostolic Progression. This leads to an >interesting quandary which hasn't popped up yet. The Anglicans allow female >clergy. The Catholics don't. But an Anglican, as I said above, can convert >and retain their staus. So what happens if a female Anglican clergy-person >converts? Hmmm. - -- Transcript begins - -- Vatican City, Forbidden Library Reading Room Cardinal Ratzinger: "Your Holyness.... we must do something about the guys." JP2nd : "You been reading Delta Green posts again, eh?" Ratzinger: "They got to the protestant female clergy conversion problem. They are meddling..." JP2nd: "So you suggest...?" Ratzinger : "Wipe out the list. Secure the archives. Try and condemn the members. Excommunicate Pagan Publishing - with a name like that half the work's done. And I'll take care personally of the renegade catholics that are part of the cabal " JP2nd: " ... " The door bangs open. Enters exorcist father Corrado Balducci Balducci: Hey RAT zinger, do you really believe you can browse through my private mail and then try and bend JP's ear with your slandering allegiations, steal my Ray-Bans and DISRESPECT ME!? YOU BETTER RECOGNIZE~! " - -- Transcript ends Sorry for the sillyness. More on-topic comments later as I'm on the run. Cheers. Davide Mana ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:20:12 -0500 From: "Eric Brennan" Subject: Re: DG: DG Adventures in Catholocism (now way Off-topic) - -----Original Message----- From: Davide Mana To: Delta Green List Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 11:48 AM Subject: Re: DG: DG Adventures in Catholocism (Was: Who Ya Gonna Call?) >Cardinal Ratzinger: "Your Holyness.... we must do something about the guys." >JP2nd : "You been reading Delta Green posts again, eh?" >Ratzinger: "They got to the protestant female clergy conversion >problem. They are meddling..." >JP2nd: "So you suggest...?" >Ratzinger : "Wipe out the list. Secure the >archives. Try and condemn the members. Excommunicate Pagan Publishing - >with a name like that half the work's done. And I'll take care personally >of the renegade catholics that are part of the cabal " If they wanted to get me, all they'd have to do is tell my aunt, Sister Mary Rosita AKA Leah Brennan, that I'm still playing role-playing games, and then describe the content of DG. No place would be safe for me. There are members of my family that don't even blink at some hard deeds but run in fear of Sister Mary Rosita. MJ12 uses her to take care of troublesome DG Cells. She is a force of nature in a brown habit. Andrea sometimes uses her to plug leaks in the cells by convincing her it's for the good of the Church. I once brought up the possible female Anglican clergy conversion trouble. (Shudders...) I don't want to talk about it. Great post, Davide. --Eric "He once said, 'I don't believe in God, but I'm afraid of him.' Well, I don't believe in Sister Mary Rosita, but I'm afraid of her." Dialog cut from the original version of "The Usual Suspects." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:38:18 -0600 From: "Russell Mirabelli" Subject: DG: thanks and thoughts on excorcism Thanks for all your comments on single-player DG. I'll keep you informed as to how things go. The player is "aware" of DG, but his character isn't at all. I've got a wonderful KIY-meets-ClubA-meets-SpecialK thing going on, with no Grey involvement planned yet. One thing that I am doing is providing "facts" from other departments via email-- it's a little easier to do when you can trust that your player is an email junkie like yourself. As to the concept of Baptists being lapsed Catholics and so on, I can only offer this as my thought on the matter: I'm a lapsed Catholic myself, though active in my local Protestant church. There have been times when people at my church have talked about "excorcism", and my reaction was "do you have *any* clue what kind of fire you're playing with?". I personally view the Catholic church as having a little more knowledge than the average bear in this regard (being educated by the Augustinians, and nearly entering the priesthood, did have something to do with that). also, Eric Brennan suggested: > -- The idea of transubstantiation (the Communion wafer literally >transforming into the body and blood of Christ) has some pretty sinister >uses if some Mythos Cultists use it, and think about the Ghoul version... This reminds me of one the weirdest characters I ever played in a CoC campaign. I was playing a priest, and the priest was abducted by Ghouls. Since the Keeper killed my character in a way that he didn't like, he decided to let me play the character after he was finished with a little job-- "converting" the Ghouls to Catholocism. It was actually pretty cool, though my investigator did have that weird eating habit from then on... R - -- Russell "HOSS" Mirabelli Macintosh Programmer, iMagic Online hoss@imagiconline.com "This next part is really cool!" --Steve Jobs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:22:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: Re: DG: RE: Wolves of time (and other stuff) On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, David Farnell wrote: > Tindalos (isn't the brain a wonderful thing? and BTW, what or who is > Tindalos anyway?). These designs are used as wards against demons, so I IIRC, according to Lumley, Tindalos (or Tind'losi) is the name of the dimension or whatever where the Hounds live. I always found it very interesting that a very similar word, "tindalo," is a type of ghost or evil spirit in some South Pacific culture, I forget which. > unwisely) and eventually going away exhausted. Perhaps Tibetan magicians had > a lot of trouble with Hounds at some point (along with Celts and who knows > who else--any other cultures with these kind of designs?) The Celtic knot design also pops up occasionally in Scandinavian art, and rather more commonly in the Ukraine-Russian area. > (Note: this kind > of ward is common in fairy tales--some puzzle is used to ward off malicious > fairies, who often seem to be severely obsessive/compulsive.) Witness vampires and their predisposition to count every grain of rice if you sprinkle it at a window. > I mean, I don't know of any other way to defend against Hounds, other than > living in a rounded off room (and the Hound could still come out of the > angular points where your teeth touch each other). Evil idea! A Hound coming out of a person's mouth...sounds somewhat like some events described in the spiritism movement of last century. Remember the people with ectoplasm coming out of their mouths? Andrew D. Gable agable@falcon.lhup.edu I ask nothing. Is that so very much to ask? - The Tear Garden, "Crying from Outside" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:25:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: Re: DG: The Story behind "The Exorcist" (A bit long) On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Crossingham, Adam wrote: > ObDG: In England, the Church of England still does exorcisms as well - it's > just they prefer not to call them exorcisms (in fact they call them > something completely different which escapes me now) and they don't > advertise that they do them. Trepannations? Sorry, my shan-addled mind is wandering again. Andrew D. Gable agable@falcon.lhup.edu I ask nothing. Is that so very much to ask? - The Tear Garden, "Crying from Outside" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:29:03 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: DG: News Monitoring: 28 JAN 1999 http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558229516-31c Sounds like someone else is rather sick of the impeachment, as well. :) Andrew D. Gable agable@falcon.lhup.edu I ask nothing. Is that so very much to ask? - The Tear Garden, "Crying from Outside" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:40:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: Re: DG: RE: Wolves of time (and other stuff) On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, David Farnell wrote: > We could perhaps make a repository (called the DG Dictionary?) at the Ice > Cave--if you want your words in it, make sure to repeat them at the bottom > of your post with definitions like so: > > Time Wolf = Hound of Tindalos > Hummer = Byakhee (slang) > EBE Type 3 = Byakhee (official) > Naudabaum-Type Event = summoning and manifestation of Azathoth > Squick = (verb, slang) to rape a screaming, reanimated head; also: to > assassinate with extreme prejudice Bailey = Shan (as in Beetle) Crayfish/Crawdad = Mi-Go (slang) Crustacea volans = Mi-Go (official documents) Andrew D. Gable agable@falcon.lhup.edu I ask nothing. Is that so very much to ask? - The Tear Garden, "Crying from Outside" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:42:46 -0800 From: "Kevin H. Ingle" Subject: Re: DG: DG Adventures in Catholocism (Was: Who Ya Gonna Call?) At 10:40 1999-01-28 -0500, you wrote: > -- Not specifically Catholic exclusive, the Book of Revelations has some >really interesting descriptions for the beasties to appear during the Last >Battle (Pepsi, proud sponsor of the End Times), and on a related note Jack >Parsons and L Ron Hubbard tried to summon up the Whore of Babylon from >Revelations. The Whore of Babylon makes a great "Mask" of Shub-Niggurath, >Goat in the Woods with a Thousand blah blah blah. (I've turned the entire >Parsons/Hubbard/WoB/Crowley thing into a Conspiracy X campaign... parties >interested in converting it to DG , with the exception of Jim Bise may >e-mail me and I'll forward it. It's got a ton of neat links on that angle.) Eric, Send out those links! Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:14:33 -0800 From: Christian Conkle Subject: RE: DG: RE: Wolves of time (and other stuff) I would re-do my MJ-12 report on known extrarrestial species with this kind of data. I know in my campaign, in which the players had little experience with Lovecraftiana or CoC, they had their own names for things: Sky Devil = Mi-Go (as reported by Army of the Yellow Sign founder Daniel Tabiezon in his book "Secret Messages from Inner Space") Xinayain = Kn'Yan (as reported by Army of the Yellow Sign founder Daniel Tabiezon in his book "Secret Messages from Inner Space") Lobster things = Mi-Go (slang) Wasp things = Byakhee (slang) - ----------------------------------------------------- Christian Conkle Web Development Specialist Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory work: conklec@nwrel.org home: conkle@europa.com - ----------------------------------------------------- On Thursday, January 28, 1999 10:40 AM, Andrew D. Gable [SMTP:agable@falcon.lhup.edu] wrote: > > On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, David Farnell wrote: > > > We could perhaps make a repository (called the DG Dictionary?) at the Ice > > Cave--if you want your words in it, make sure to repeat them at the bottom > > of your post with definitions like so: > > > > Time Wolf = Hound of Tindalos > > Hummer = Byakhee (slang) > > EBE Type 3 = Byakhee (official) > > Naudabaum-Type Event = summoning and manifestation of Azathoth > > Squick = (verb, slang) to rape a screaming, reanimated head; also: to > > assassinate with extreme prejudice > > Bailey = Shan (as in Beetle) > Crayfish/Crawdad = Mi-Go (slang) > Crustacea volans = Mi-Go (official documents) > > Andrew D. Gable > agable@falcon.lhup.edu > > I ask nothing. Is that so very much to ask? > - The Tear Garden, "Crying from Outside" > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:51:13 -0500 From: "Eric Brennan" Subject: DG: Crowley/Parsons notes pt. 1 (no spoilers) Here's a collection of links relating to the subject that are viewable by all. My next post, which hopefully players in my games will not view (JIM!) will have my notes on the subject for Con-X. As my campaign has some big Lovecraftian overtones as well as stuff ripped off whole-hog from Unknown Armies and DG, it should be easily convertible. "Apparently Parsons and Hubbard or somebody is producing a moonchild. I get fairly frantic when I contemplate the idiocy of these louts." - --In a letter from Crowley to Karl Germer, re: their attempt to summon the Ho o' Babylon "[The angel] carried my spirit away to the desert. I saw the scarlet woman sitting on the beast with seven heads and ten horns, covered with blasphemous names. The woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and gilded with gold and precious stones and pearls, with a golden cup in her hand filled with the abominations and the unclean things of her fornication. On her forehead a name had been written, 'A Mystery: Babalon the great, the mother of harlots and of the abominations of the earth.' I saw the woman was drunk from the blood of the saints, and from the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. Seeing her, I wondered greatly." Revelation 17:3-6 Here’s a list of Crowley/Hubbard/Parsons sites: http://www.ezlink.com/~perry/Co$/Christian/crowley3.htm (Anti-Scientology site, some stuff) http://www.babalon.net/Mitchell.html (is an except from a magazine article.) http://www.crossfields.com/~watcher/bluey3.html (Is apparently an Anti-Scientology site, but goes into detail about the ritual. Use of the phrase "blind force" in conjunction with power of Age of Horus which suggests Azathoth, however. Parson’s rocketry background which eventually led to our nuclear weapons program being miles ahead of the Russians, and the fact that he died as a result of dropping some nitroglycerin, suggest odd forces at work) http://www.blather.net/archives2/issue2no26.html (paranormal web magazine with article on Parson’s links to the Hellfire Club of his ancestor and Crowley, with lots of links and a previous issue about the \Hellfire Club. Although inaccurate on a couple points, DG aficionados should have some fun with: http://www.fringeware.com/~hambone/arch/oto.html , as it talks briefly about Crowley’s links with MI6 and his efforts to thwart Nazis, leading to some neat Karotechia seeds if you want ‘em. Also ties it into David Berkowitz. http://www.brotherblue.org/libers/babalon.htm is an exhaustive site on the subject. http://netropic.speakeasy.org/crowley/index.cgi has a ton of Crowley's books online. The neat thing about Crowley as a plot-device is some of his seminal works are as vague as Nostradamus, who did for bullshit what stonehenge did for rocks. Also, I wholeheartedly recommend reading Andrew D. Gable's Black Cat of Kilakee post from earlier... The Hellfire Clubs are great places to use in your campaign if you want summonings that misfired centuries ago, links to the Freemasons, and possible hooks that tie into Jack the Ripper and all sorts of meanness. As an aside, the Black Cat's description sounds like Tivaloolo (I have no idea how it's spelled) a popular demon that was summoned quite often in the 18th and 19th century. The ritual wasn't complex...just torture and kill 200 cats. I'll provide more on that ritual if you want it... --Eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:27:36 -0500 From: "Jimmie Bise, Jr." Subject: DG: Re: Crowley/Parsons notes pt. 1 (no spoilers) > "[The angel] carried my spirit away to the desert. I saw the scarlet woman > sitting on the beast with seven heads and ten horns, covered with > blasphemous names. The woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and gilded > with gold and precious stones and pearls, with a golden cup in her hand > filled with the abominations and the unclean things of her fornication. On > her forehead a name had been written, 'A Mystery: Babalon the great, the > mother of harlots and of the abominations of the earth.' I saw the woman was > drunk from the blood of the saints, and from the blood of the martyrs of > Jesus. Seeing her, I wondered greatly." > Revelation 17:3-6 This stuff is way cooler when quoted from the King James Version of the Bible, too. somehow, Old English really lends an eerie but grandiose quality to the language. Erich, if you need a King James, I have one you can use indefinitely. Also, I won't peek when those spoilers hit the list. - -Jimmie (the alter-ego of the fictional Mr Fontaine....) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:37:11 +0100 From: "Morten Kjeldseth Pettersen" Subject: DG: Hello! What has happened? I haven't received any mail from the list in the past 6 days, what's up ? Are there anyone left out there ? Hello... Morty end. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:39:14 +0100 From: Davide Mana Subject: DG: DG Dictionary Greetings. Dave Farnell wrote >We could perhaps make a repository (called the DG Dictionary?) at the Ice >Cave--if you want your words in it, make sure to repeat them at the bottom >of your post with definitions like so: [list snipped for the usual reasons] Good thinking, that man! I'll tap my players and rack my memory for suitable entries. The Cave is eager to host the final product. Meanwhile, something parallel came to me: the subject of useful bits of languages different from English often surfaces on this list, the last instances being German names and crime definitions in Italian. What about Mythos creatures? OK, a Byakhee is a Byakhee in most languages, but what about Nightgaunts? Moon Beasts? As Call of Cthulhu was translated in various languages, we should have a few "official" name translations. So, here's an annotated list of the names used in the Italian Edition of Call of Cthulhu, as published by Stratelibri, with some minor annotations. Being from Xiclotl - Essere di X. Cthonian - Ctoniano Dark Young of Shub-Niggurath - Cucciolo Oscuro di S.N. Deep One - Abitatore del Profondo Dimensional Shambler - Errante dimensionale Elder Thing - Antico [1] Fire Vampire - Vampiro di Fuoco Flying Polyps - Piovre Volanti Formless Spawn of Tsathoggua - Prole Informe di T. Fungi from Yuggoth - Funghi di Y. Great Old Ones - I Grandi Antichi [1] Great Race of Yith - Grande Razza di Y. Hound of Tindalos - Segugio di Tindalos Hunting Horror - Orrido Persecutore Insects from Shaggay - Insetti di S. Moon Beast - Bestia Lunare Nightgaunt - Gaunt della Notte [2] Outer God - Dio Esterno Sand Dweller - Abitatore delle Sabbie Serpent People - Popolo Serpente Servant of... - Servitore di... Star Spawn of Cthulhu - Prole Stellare di C. Star Vampire - Vampiro Siderale Yithian - Yitiano All the other critters retain their original names. For the sake of completeness I can also add that Summon/Dismiss Evoca/Scaccia Bind Vincola Call Deity Invoca Divinità Contact Deity Contatta Divinità Brew Space Mead Prepara Pozione Spaziale Create Gate Crea Portale Dread Curse Terrificante maledizione Dust of Ibn Ghazi Polvere di I.G. Elder Sign Segno degli Antichi Enchant ... Incanta Resurection Risurrezione [3] Shrivelling Avvizzimento Voorish Sign Segno di Voorish [4] Notes: The translation was a half-assed job if ever I saw one (I know the guy who did it and sometimes played Cthulhu with his equally extremely bossy and self-centered sister) 1 - Great Old Ones and Elder Things share the "Antico" bit (meaning ancient, so there), with the obvious confusion ensuing. 2 - "gaunt" is a meaningless word in Italian. 3 - the proper Italian is "Resurrezione" 4 - the translator obviously did not know the famous picture with the legend "Ye Sign of Voor", and thought Voorish was a guy or a place. Should anyone else out there like to post similar lists (French? German? Japanese? Bengali?), I'd be more than happy to build a table or something and make it available in the Cave. Otherwise, just trash this post. Cheers! Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:41:37 +0100 From: "Florian R. Hanke" Subject: DG: DG Dictionary (german) Hi all, Davide Mana wrote: > Should anyone else out there like to post similar lists (French? German? > Japanese? Bengali?), I'd be more than happy to build a table or something > and make it available in the Cave. Great, this could come in handy when searching for names to disguise the Mythos stuff (it would be nice to have some exotic translations), so: This is a list of the names used in the 3rd German Ed. published by Ars Ludi. Forgive me, I just took Davide's list and changed the translations. Being from Xiclotl - Wesen von Xiclotl [1] Cthonian - Cthonier Dark Young of Shub-Niggurath - Dunkles Junges von Shub-Niggurath Deep One - Tiefes Wesen Dimensional Shambler - Dimensionsschlurfer Elder Thing - A:lteres Wesen Fire Vampire - Feuervampir Flying Polyps - Flugkraken Formless Spawn of Tsathoggua - Formloses Gezu:cht Tsathogguas Fungi from Yuggoth - Fungi vom Yuggoth The Great Old Ones - Die Grossen Alten [2] The Great Race - Die Grosse Rasse Hounds of Tindalos - Hunde von Tindalos Hunting Horror - Hetzender Schrecken Insects from Shaggai - Insekten von Shaggai [1] Moon Beast - Mondwesen [3] Nightgaunt - Dunkeldu:rre Outer Gods - A:ussere Go:tter Other Gods - Andere Go:tter Sand Dweller - Sandbewohner Serpent People - Schlangenvolk [1], Schlangenmensch [1] Servant of... - Diener der ... Star Spawn of Cthulhu - Sternengezu:cht Cthulhus Star Vampire - Sternenvampir Summon/Dismiss Beschwo:re/Vertreibe Bind Binde Call Deity Rufe Gottheit Contact Deity Kontakt mit Gottheit aufnehmen [1], Kontakt zu Gottheit Brew Space Mead Braue Weltraum-Met Create Gate Erschaffe Tor Dread Curse Furchtbarer Fluch Dust of Ibn Ghazi Pulver des Ibn-Ghazi Elder Sign A:lteres Zeichen Enchant ... Verzaubere ... Resurrection Totenbelebung Shrivelling Verschrumpeln Voorish Sign Voorisches Zeichen Notes: These translations were taken from the German 3rd Ed., which was derived from the English 3rd Ed. A rather good translation I might add. As usual, a: o: u: are the german special characters, just move the points on the character and rotate them 90 degrees. [1] Inofficial Translation [2] Funny, I didn't find this anywhere in the book, so I took it from a HPL story. [3] A bit tame like this but "Mondbiest" isn't exact either. Regards, Florian Hanke ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:51:44 -0500 (EST) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: thanks and thoughts on excorcism On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Russell Mirabelli wrote: > One thing that I am doing is providing "facts" from other departments > via email-- it's a little easier to do when you can trust that your > player is an email junkie like yourself. You should let "Delta Green: The Mailing List" do that for you. Just forward requests and pick and choose from the replies. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum [Choke On It!] CH3-P(=O)(-SCH2CH2N[CH(CH3)2]2)(-OC2H5) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:09:14 +0100 From: PM Subject: Re: DG: DG Dictionary (german) Taken from the french 5th ed. >Being from Xiclotl - Etre de Xiclotl >Cthonian - Cthonien >Dark Young of Shub-Niggurath - Sombre rejetons de Shub-Niggurath >Deep One - Profonds >Dimensional Shambler - Vagabond dimensionnel >Elder Thing - Chose tre`s anciennes >Fire Vampire - Vampire de feu >Flying Polyps - Polypes volants >Formless Spawn of Tsathoggua - Larve amorphe de Tsathoggua >Fungi from Yuggoth - Fungi de Yuggoth >The Great Old Ones - Les Grands Anciens >The Great Race - La Grande Race >Hounds of Tindalos - Chiens de Tindalos >Hunting Horror - Horreur chasseresse >Insects from Shaggai - Insectes de Shaggai >Moon Beast - Be^te lunaire >Nightgaunt - Maigre be^te de la nuit >Outer Gods - Dieux exte'rieurs >Other Gods - Autres dieux >Sand Dweller - Habitants des sables >Serpent People - Peuple Serpent (as a race), homme serpent (as an individual) >Servant of... - Serviteur de... >Star Spawn of Cthulhu - Larves stellaires de Cthulhu >Star Vampire - Vampire stellaire > >Summon/Dismiss Appeler/Conge'dier >Bind Contro^ler >Call Deity Appeler une divinite' >Contact Deity Contacter une divinite' > >Brew Space Mead Concocter le breuvage de l'espace >Create Gate Cre'ation de portail >Dread Curse Terrible male'diction >Dust of Ibn Ghazi Poudre d'Ibn-Ghazi >Elder Sign Signe des Anciens >Enchant ... Enchanter ... >Resurrection Re'surrection >Shrivelling Fle'trissement >Voorish Sign Signe de Voor All A, E, I, O, U followed by one of the following : ' ` or ^ are supposed to have it on top of them (like an ~ in spanish). Prononciation is the same for the A, O, I and U, but E (like in BIRD) becomes (with varying degrees) like in cAke or bAIt. ============================================= Patrice Mermoud (Paris - France) mermoud@easynet.fr mermoud@multimania.org http://www.multimania.org/~mermoud/ ============================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:09:52 +0100 From: PM Subject: Mistake : was supposed to read : French (Re: DG: DG Dictionary (german)) Taken from the french 5th ed. ============================================= Patrice Mermoud (Paris - France) mermoud@easynet.fr mermoud@multimania.org http://www.multimania.org/~mermoud/ ============================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:51:53 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Womack Subject: Listkeeper Pedantry (was Re: DG: Re: Crowley/Parsons notes pt. 1 (no spoilers)) Don't mind me, and don't take this personally, Jim, but too many years in grad school in English have conditioned me to the point where I just couldn't let this one pass: On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Jimmie Bise, Jr. wrote: [deletia] > This stuff is way cooler when quoted from the King James Version of the > Bible, too. somehow, Old English really lends an eerie but grandiose > quality to the language. [more deletia] The King James Version of the Bible is not written in Old English (think _Beowulf_). Not even in Middle English (think Chaucer). It's written in Early Modern English, the same as Shakespeare (e.g.). If it were in one of the earlier dialects of English, its eeriness would dissolve not into grandiosity but into unintelligibility. (Although, granted, reading something as harmless as the Lord's Prayer in Old English would probably be a good way to creep your players out. ;) ) Now, a pathetic attempt to turn my pedantry into some useful advice for keepers: track down a chart showing the development of Indo-European languages (I've seen such things as "linguistic family trees" in better dictionaries, for example; libraries should have reference books containing them as well, if you can't find one on your home bookshelf). Armed with such a reference, feel free to drop obscure/dead dialects into your game at will. Nothing beats the feeling of being able to tell a player "Your character can't make heads or tails of that nasty-looking tome; the best he can determine is that it's written in Middle High German (or Old Church Slavonic, or whatever)." Sure, an Investigator may be fluent in French, but don't let the player automatically assume the char can read something written in Anglo-Norman French in the early 12th century. This is where having that Friendly in the Romance Languages Dept. of the local university pays off. :) (As for the Special K's desire to own the Gothic Necronomicon...) Chris Womack Keeper of the List oaktree@nocturne.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:59:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: DG: Crowley Link, Saucy Jack, and Demon Cats On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Eric Brennan wrote: > Although inaccurate on a couple points, DG aficionados should have some fun > with: http://www.fringeware.com/~hambone/arch/oto.html , as it talks briefly > about Crowley’s links with MI6 and his efforts to thwart Nazis, leading to > some neat Karotechia seeds if you want ‘em. Also ties it into David > Berkowitz. In the 1910s and 1920s, Crowley wrote stateside propaganda for the Germans (found this out as I was doing research on the Crowley-Lam (and thus Grey) connection. Wonder what happened that soured him on the Germans? > Kilakee post from earlier... The Hellfire Clubs are great places to use in > your campaign if you want summonings that misfired centuries ago, links to > the Freemasons, and possible hooks that tie into Jack the Ripper and all > sorts of meanness. As an aside, the Black Cat's description sounds like Hook to JTR: one word (well, actually three). Roslyn d'Onston Stephenson. At the time of the killings (1888) Crowley was only 13 (IIRC), but Stephenson was great friends with Crowley in later years. Stephenson had beliefs similar to Crowley, and in fact Crowley himself had proclaimed that Stephenson was the Ripper, after his finding several ties (which seemed to have blood on them) in Stephenson's possession. Of course, the (probably spurious) Freemason link is famous, as well. Cthulhuvian links? Check out three of the murders, those of Ann Chapman, Catherine Eddowes, and especially Mary Kelly, for some odd features. In particular, the details of the Kelly murder seem as if it was some sort of ritualistic killing, and some have even pointed out an occult significance to JTR's 5 victims and the vaguely pentagramical (??) shape formed when they're plotted on a map. If you look up stuff on Mary Kelly, be warned the photo is quite...ahem...disturbing, especially when combined with knowledge of the coroner report. Eddowes less so. BTW, I've seen teasers on the Internet for a computer game called The Black Dahlia, which seems to exploit these very same sorts of links. May want to pick this up someday and check it out. Has anyone ever played it? Is it any good? > Tivaloolo (I have no idea how it's spelled) a popular demon that was > summoned quite often in the 18th and 19th century. The ritual wasn't > complex...just torture and kill 200 cats. I'll provide more on that ritual > if you want it... Hmm. This sounds rather like a Scottish ritual called Taghairm, which involved the burning alive of cats for four days, at the conclusion of which a demonic creature called Big Ears would appear and grant one wish to the caster (in exchange, of course, for his immortal soul). That ritual supposedly ceased as far back as the 1600s, however. If used in CoC/DG, here's a good way to get priests of Bast really P.O.'d. And everyone knows that being angry and having Mythos knowledge aren't a good combination. The name you cite sounds vaguely like Flauros, the name of a demonic cat-lord described in demonology texts. BTW, I saw a commercial last night which mentioned a Jewish synagogue in Wilkes-Barre, Pa., called Irem Temple. Should Wilkes-Barre-ites be concerned about the use of Kabbalic rituals to call up things Man Was Not Meant To See? Andrew D. Gable agable@falcon.lhup.edu I ask nothing. Is that so very much to ask? - The Tear Garden, "Crying from Outside" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:26:00 -0800 From: "Mark McFadden@warnerbros.com" Subject: Re: DG: Dictionary Davide! The Italian translations of CoC terms was great. This is a project worth doing. Now I've got a road map for translating to Spanish. The collecting of nicknames for CoC creatures is worth doing. It serves as a reminder to the players of what the PC knows as opposed to what the player knows. Mark McFadden knows a Mi-Go when he sees one, but Agent @tila has no Mythos knowledge, so it's a Crawdad. I would love it if eventually there is a consistent DG slang. Every insular group develops their own patois. I can tell if someone was in the military from the terms or metaphors that flavor their conversations. Often you can tell their service or where they were stationed. Some terms we've spontaneously generated in our games: Mi-Go = Crawdad Deep One hybrids = Popeyes a friendly observing an MJ-12 op referred to it as a "Blues Brothers convention" the same fella referred to Adolf Lepus as "Mr. Sardonicus", or "Smiley", which made NRO Delta "Smiley's People" Any directive from "A" cell is a "message from Oz" Restricting one's involvement in a DG op to research or minding the store is "playing Gummo", or "being Zeppo". "Have fun storming the castle, I'll be Zeppo this time." Mark McFadden "I was creepy-crawlin' in the hills, my POV was safe cuz I was gilly'd head-to-toe. Smiley's People were up to something hinky cuz they didn't look too perky. Two Blue-suits were standing-by near an unmarked van. I was picking up some serious Crawdad vibe but they started beating the bushes and I had to diddymao. I think we better fast-track this up to Oz cuz we're burnin' daylight. Next time I'm Zeppo." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:42:54 EST From: Michael Layne Subject: Re: DG: Hello! What has happened? On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:37:11 +0100 "Morten Kjeldseth Pettersen" writes: >I haven't received any mail from the list in the past 6 days, what's >up ? > >Are there anyone left out there ? > >Hello... > >Morty >end. > Yes, we're still out here (at least some of us)! You might want to check your subscription status, in case the Karotechia hackers dropped you off the list!:) Michael theherald@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:43:00 -0800 From: "Mark McFadden@warnerbros.com" Subject: DG: Re: Saucy Jack >Cthulhuvian links? Check out three of the murders, those of Ann >Chapman, Catherine Eddowes, and especially Mary Kelly, for some odd >features. In particular, the details of the Kelly murder seem as if >it was some sort of ritualistic killing, and some have even pointed >out an occult significance to JTR's 5 victims and the vaguely >pentagramical (??) shape formed when they're plotted on a map. The pentagram shape was put to good use by Robert Bloch in "Yours Truly, Jack the Ripper". The ritualistic killing method was another clue that seemed to point to the Masons. Those secretive buggers crop up everywhere. When Roberto Calvi (IIRC) was found hanging from a bridge in London with rocks in his pockets, submerged at high tide, the whole P2/Vatican Bank scandal acquired a Masonic bouquet. Mark McFadden Can't do the handshake right since I pissed off the Yakuza, but I've got the silly walk down cold. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:03:56 -0500 From: Daniel Harms Subject: Re: DG: Re: Crowley/Parsons notes pt. 1 (no spoilers) At 03:27 PM 1/28/99 -0500, you wrote: >This stuff is way cooler when quoted from the King James Version of the >Bible, too. somehow, Old English really lends an eerie but grandiose >quality to the language. Not to pick on Jimmie, but the "Old English" thing is one of my pet peeves. Old English was spoken and written between about 600 and 1100, Middle English from 1100 and 1500, and more-or-less modern English from 1500 and on (covering both Shakespeare and the KJV). A work in Old English will be almost impossible for a person not educated on the subject to read, if the samples I've seen are any indication. We now return you to your regularly scheduled traffic. Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu "I had come frighteningly near to the capture of an old secret which ventured close to man's haunts and lurked cautiously just beyond the edge of the known. Yet in the end I had nothing." - H. P. Lovecraft and Robert H. Barlow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:25:02 -0500 From: Daniel Harms Subject: Re: DG: Crowley Link, Saucy Jack, and Demon Cats At 07:59 PM 1/28/99 -0500, you wrote: >On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Eric Brennan wrote: >> Although inaccurate on a couple points, DG aficionados should have some fun >> with: http://www.fringeware.com/~hambone/arch/oto.html , as it talks briefly >> about Crowley’s links with MI6 and his efforts to thwart Nazis, leading to >> some neat Karotechia seeds if you want ‘em. Also ties it into David >> Berkowitz. Just on GPs, for those who want to go completely hog-wild, here's the COMPLETE trial transcript of the Motta-Caliphate OTO fiasco: http://www.hollyfeld.org/heaven/Text/Thelema/mottavoto.txt > In the 1910s and 1920s, Crowley wrote stateside >propaganda for the Germans (found this out as I was doing research on >the Crowley-Lam (and thus Grey) connection. Wonder what happened >that soured him on the Germans? Two possible answers that are not documented, but that have been floating around: 1) AC was actually working as an agent for British intelligence, as he claimed. In fact, former UFO investigator Jacques Vallee claimed to have seen Crowley's intelligence file, which included the directive "Use only with extreme caution." 2) At some point when Crowley was in Germany, he was beaten up by goons from the SA, precursor to the SS. Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu "I had come frighteningly near to the capture of an old secret which ventured close to man's haunts and lurked cautiously just beyond the edge of the known. Yet in the end I had nothing." - H. P. Lovecraft and Robert H. Barlow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:17:43 -0600 (CST) From: Tenebrous Technologies Subject: Re: DG: Crowley Link, Saucy Jack, and Demon Cats At 07:59 PM 1/28/99 -0500, Andrew D. Gable wrote: >Crowley-Lam (and thus Grey) connection. Wonder what happened that soured >him on the Germans? I'd reckon that whole anti-homosexuality thing..A.C. was a bit of a switch hitter..which was frowned on by the he-man Aryan philosophy. >to JTR's 5 victims and the vaguely pentagramical (??) shape formed when >they're plotted on a map. but then again, it is easy to find shapes in anything...dace on mars >Hmm. This sounds rather like a Scottish ritual called Taghairm, which >involved the burning alive of cats for four days, at the conclusion of >which a demonic creature called Big Ears would appear and grant one wish >to the caster A Scottish ritual that .doesn't. involve sheep lovin' in some way!?!? ;P your friends at TenTech +_+_+_+_+_+_+ Tenebrous Technologies- 'Guile, Deceit, Treachery!' Matt Cowger, CEO tenebrae@earthling.net http://home.gvi.net/~tenebrae Vox: (###)###-##### +_+_+_+_+_+_+ ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V1 #303 ********************************