From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V1 #493 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Sunday, July 4 1999 Volume 01 : Number 493 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:34:44 EDT From: USFORREC1@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Tcho-Tchos and the Russians (plus some spoilers) In a message dated 7/2/99 8:56:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mib@cyberspace.org writes: As i recover from the SMACK being laid down :) I'll try and explain a couple of rationalizations for the below scenario. Now as I commit the blasphemy of blasphemies and admit I don't use Emerald Hammer (though it has proven a trove of lootable ideas) and I don't know how much would be applicable there. << How do the NewSchool Ghouls from NYC know about the site? As far as I know they aren't even global. A bunch of crack-smokin', yellow sign graffitti, leather biker jacket wearing, drug-smuggling wannabees don't invade archeological ruins.. Then again, maybe the King in Yellow demands more fealty and intrigue than we could ever possibly know. >> now, the way I have run the old school/new school ghouls in my campaign isn't so much of a cult split/civil war as it is a generational gap thing. I have it as a reflection of the 1960s in America for the Ghouls. This radical new philosophy for the new school ghouls has exploded across ghoul culture as a whole but manifests differently everywhere. I equate the NYC ghouls and some of the other urban sects with places like Berkley and Watts in the 60s, hot spots where tensions have risen to the boiling point. In other places, the gap is more subtle. These sects are very diverse. Not every old school ghoul is a friend of DG and not every new school one is it's enemy. Some have codes concerning who they eat. Some old school ones are so reactionary and isolated as to be a foe to everyone. With the mass migration of ghouls to the third world, some new school ghouls have found alliances with elements of the government there. need to clean out those homeless urchins before carnival? Need to get rid of some political revolutionaires? Call the ghouls. <> I wouldn't say that's irrelevant to them. I don't think they went there looking for it but following up local legends and the such they came into contact with it. As the Gate might represent a possible escape route they'd want to take a look. Control of it could give them possible control over the ghouls and a gate that directly leads to a God is nothing to sneeze at. it could help their power base if nothing else. <> Now I like the Jones/Ghoul cult idea. My basis, though, for the MJ connection in my campaign is allegations in the RW of CIA-MKULTRA connections to Jones. As an outgrowth of MJ projects in mind control, an isolated "religion" could prove an ideal control group. Any failures get attributed to the brainwashing by the cult leader or their general wierdness. Turn them loose then and it looks like a religious frenzy of madmen, not a government backed assault. and you don't care about casulties (hell, you'd just make the survivors drink kool-aid anyway!). Now, I also think I view MJ differently. i view them as an organization that started out investigating aliens and has grown well beyond their original charter. I view them as secret masters of America, foremost when dealing with the Greys, but involved in a variety of other agendas. << Again, the New Ghouls probably don't operate in France. It would be mean and nasty to have outcast ghouls from the Strong French Mordiggian cult to have a presence in the FFL, not a big one, but there nonetheless. These cult deserters might somehow contact their spiritual brethren in NYC.>> Here I was referring to the garrison in French Guyana, not the FFL as a whole. I have other plans for them :) <> I admit, I like this angle. Have to dwell on that one. <> again, I think I run them differently. I consider the Fate's power base in NYC but they are world-wide with their connections. I also feel that their real interests lies in the occult/mythos but they deal in the temporal world as well. Money and power comes from drug-running and arms dealings (and so on) as well as the mythos IMHO. <> i think the K would be interested in a European project a few hundred miles from their base. they might not realize how to exploit it yet but they would keep an eye on it. but I agree, they would be a minor player on the scene. << Of course it may end up that Stephan Alzis, Delta Green, The Cult of Mordiggian, and the Karotechia would ally against NWI, the Shan, and a few annoying New School Ghouls. Then the alliance would turn into a crazed cannibalistic shark-like feeding frenzy as everyone turns on each other. PISCES and the French DG would want some of that action as well, more on them after COUNTDOWN gets into the Hands in Black. >> I agree on the feeding frenzy (that's what i aiming for with the conclusion). And yes, can't wait for the updates in Countdown. - -Dave K ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 12:51:03 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: Re: At your Door? From: Randall L. Orndorff: > Is this supplement still in print? I am thinking of adapting it for my > campaign which starts this monday, and am thinking of looking for it. Check with Chaosium--they sometimes have unsold copies of out-of-print stuff. Or check your dustiest local game store. Or check with Tal Meta, one of our listmembers: talmeta@bellatlantic.net . Definitely worth adapting, I think--but then we've already talked about this pretty thoroughly. I'm still hoping that Chaosium will do a "Day of the Beast"-esque makeover and re-release it. Hell, maybe Pagan could offer to do it...oh, man, that thought just gave me a shiver of delight. At Your Door as a Pagan product? Maybe with Delta Green sidebars to make it easy to play it as either a DG or regular 1990s campaign? Done with the meticulous care and "We'll release it when it's ready and not a moment before" attitude Pagan is famous for? With Pagan's style, art, flavor? Expanded and updated, with experts consulted on the tech stuff, and perhaps even some of the more monstrous ideas about Tcho-tchos, Mother's Milk, etc. that's come out of this List? Ooooooh baby! That's a dream-supplement! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 00:20:49 EDT From: PaganArt@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: At your Door? In a message dated 7/2/99 8:07:35 PM, daf@iwa.att.ne.jp writes: >nd perhaps even some of the more >monstrous ideas about Tcho-tchos, Mother's Milk, etc. that's come out of >this List? Ooooooh baby! That's a dream-supplement! I believe Dave, that once you recieve a copy of COUNTDOWN and read the section on Tiger Transit, you will be very, very pleased. That's all I'll say for now... - -Dennis Detwiller ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 01:30:46 EDT From: CobaltZero@aol.com Subject: DG: Worlds most dangerous places Howdy. Recently, I was browsing around the local bookstore. I wandered into the travel section. Saw a book called "The Worlds Most Dangerous Places". Seemed interesting enough, so I picked it up. And then I bought it. It's written by this fellow named Robert Young Pelton, an explorer/adventurer/traveller fella who has spent the better part of his life checking out the most dangerous places on Earth. And mostly, for lack of anything better to do. Contains wonderful information on not only lively sites such as The Congo, Bouganville, North Korea, and Iran. Fat sections on what to do if you get kidnapped in Brazil, information on how to join a mercenary legue, how to make an impromptu IV drip out of water, salt, and a green coconut. Written from the boys that have actually been there, a valuable tool for any agents that need to go "over there". Check it out Brent~man on fire ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 13:21:32 +0200 (CEST) From: alex@bofh.torun.pl (Janusz A. Urbanowicz) Subject: Re: DG: FFL [ was Tcho-Tchos and the Russians ] {note to Eckhard: I'm CC: in this to the list so there's no need to repost} Eckhard Wrote: > Hm, they never failed? > Probably there is more to the FFL than just good training, experienced leaders, > high morale and state-of-the-art equipment? > May there be some terrible secret behind their invincibility? Interesting side-note: just about 3 days ago there was EL-related incident in Poland. Two teenagers who just started holidays in teh coutryside, went at the morning to the woods to pick some wild fruits growing there. At 10:30 (am) they encountered young strange man dressed 'as Rambo' (words of one of them) - band on the hair, black t-shirt with some emblem. He had military backpack. The man asked them a question about the name of the nearest village, got answer, the he pulled up a TT pistol and opened fire. Both boys were hit, one could move so he crawled back 1.5 km to his house and warned teh faaily. Ambulance was called but the sencond teenager died on the way to the hospital. The first one had an operation and survived. Police operation to catch the man failed. Next night, police in the near city Częstochowa stopped a car for routine check. They asked the driver to open a bag lying on the back seat. The car's passenger pulled up a Scorpion (later in TV it looked more like UZI but I'm no gunfondler) and started shooting. Both policemen were hit, in spite of this one managed to get behind a wall and started shooting. The policeman emptied his weapon towards the car and was too weak to reload. The passenger picked up first policeman's gun and came to the one who was shooting, and said "I won't kill you because you ran out of ammunition". He then went away and surrendered to a guard in a factory he encountered. Car's driver called the police and ambulance on a cellphone - the passenger was a hitchhiker he picked. The guy who shoot was 22, he was born in Poznań. As a kid he was a boy scout and a member of catholic "Light, life" youth movement. When arrested he said he served in Legion Etrangere for 5 years. Asked why he killed he answered that in LE he was taught to eliminate danger. This was in Tuesday and Wednesday papers. No mention of the case since. An failed op SAN0 dropout gone wild ? An example of [DG] burnout ? What you need to see before to consider two teenagers a danger ? Cheers Alex - -- * | Janusz A. "Alex" Urbanowicz, | DSS: 1024/0x21939169 --+~| | http://eris.phys.uni.torun.pl/~alex/ | D-H: 2048/0xA2E48564 \_|/ | "Historii nie można tworzyć. |_ RSA: 512/0xAB425659 | | Można jedynie mieć nadzieję, że się ją przetrwa." - G'Kar, Babylon 5 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 08:28:25 -0400 From: "Jimmie Bise, Jr." Subject: Re: DG: Re: At your Door? > I believe Dave, that once you recieve a copy of COUNTDOWN and read the > section on Tiger Transit, you will be very, very pleased. > > That's all I'll say for now... > Oh you tease :-) - -Jimmie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 08:38:52 -0500 From: Jeff McSpadden Subject: Re: DG: Worlds most dangerous places CobaltZero@aol.com wrote: > > Written from the boys that have actually been there, a valuable tool for > any agents that need to go "over there". Check it out > for those of you who are too lazy to go to the book store, see http://www.fieldingtravel.com/ . This is an online resource for the most dangerous places that the cia could take a cue from. It actually says 'Looking for fun in all the wrong places? Well, you've found the nets only hangout for hard-core adventurers, travel junkies, DP'ers and just about anyone who runs screaming from glossy brochures, backpacker guidebooks and Robin Leach. So let's get busy. Got a tip? Just came back from the Congo, just heading off to Albania? Let us know and don't be suprised if the staff of Fielding, the authors of DP or the CIA drops you a line.' Check out the dangerfinder t o find both dangerous places and things. It has info from 'the scoop' to what to do if you're sick to dangerous days. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:54:17 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: Re: DG: Re: At your Door? From: : > I believe Dave, that once you recieve a copy of COUNTDOWN and read the > section on Tiger Transit, you will be very, very pleased. > > That's all I'll say for now... Detwiller, you sure know how to torture a fella. :-) Anyway, I just wanted to take this opportunity to remind you folks in N. America (and a late Happy Canada Day to our northern neighbors, BTW, and a slightly early Happy Independence Day to my fellow citizens) that us poor souls overseas won't be getting our copies of Countdown for some weeks after you get yours. I wonder if we could have about a month or so of spoilers warnings and vague statements (like Dennis' above). Arigato, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 13:56:01 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Tcho Tcho Clans / Tribes / Whatever On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, David Farnell wrote: > That originally comes out of At Your Door--the TT were brought over by > Mythos-connected generals in the US military (who we know now to be part of > the big Karotechia / MJ-12 Axis). I thought it was "Black Brotherhood" generals from Strange Eons, Bloch's (or was it Howard's) WereCthulhu novel. Maybe they're in with MJ and/or Karotechia, maybe not. > The TT were listed as refugees. They seem to own lots of restaurants, > serving what they claim to be "Cambodian," "Malaysian," etc cooking, > which are quite successful. Rather than being homeless themselves, they > prey upon the homeless, using the bodies of those who will not be missed > as ingredients. The youth now often join street gangs. Thus begins the typical immigration pattern common to all groups since the Puritans right up through the Vietnamese, Koreans and Russians. By the era of GURPS CthulhuPunk, the Tcho-Tcho will be part of the emerging Upper-Middle Class. Mostly they will work in the burgeoning "Neo-Spirtuality" movement of global culture in 2059. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E PLuribus Unum [Pyramidal caudal pole] : [The Pathway is crossed ] : [...into darkness] http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 14:01:42 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: The EU On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Graeme Price wrote: > Interesting. If a bunch of British troops were coming towards me singing > hymns with bagpipe accompaniment, then I would turn tail and head for the > hills straight away! (mainly due to the bagpipes, which surely must be > outlawed under some section or other of the Geneva (truncated) ACCH, ye fat bluddy bastard! Ye canna go insultin' the bagpipe like tha' laddie. Sure, she's a wee bit on the load and blarin' side up close to ye, but then so's a fartin' Tuba! From Afear she makes the sweetest sound a man kin hear. > the enemy, pull out their kukris (bloody big curved and very, very sharp > knife) and lop the passing feet off at the ankle." This I doubt, but snipping the achilles tendon, that's plausible. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E PLuribus Unum [Pyramidal caudal pole] : [The Pathway is crossed ] : [...into darkness] http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:20:31 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Tcho-Tchos and the Russians (plus some spoilers) On Fri, 2 Jul 1999 USFORREC1@aol.com wrote: > As i recover from the SMACK being laid down :) I'll try and explain a > couple of rationalizations for the below scenario. Ok, but first, may I have a little smack down music please... (Rage Against the Machine with another indecipherable semi-political commie mutant traitor song). Hmm... what do I have here, my new "Brass handle in the shape of a hammer" swordcane (pics available as soon as I get my scanner) well well. (Sound of glass breaking, screaming and furniture being thrown about). > Now as I commit the blasphemy of blasphemies and admit I don't use > Emerald Hammer (though it has proven a trove of lootable ideas) and I > don't know how much would be applicable there. So you don't use it, but you do loot (re:use) it? POONK!* * "Poonk" is the sound of a brass "bec-de corbin" hammer wielded by a deranged cripple dressed in black impacting the skull of a total idiot over the internet. > now, the way I have run the old school/new school ghouls in my > campaign isn't so much of a cult split/civil war as it is a generational gap > thing. I have it as a reflection of the 1960s in America for the Ghouls. > This radical new philosophy for the new school ghouls has exploded across > ghoul culture as a whole but manifests differently everywhere. I equate the > NYC ghouls and some of the other urban sects with places like Berkley and > Watts in the 60s, hot spots where tensions have risen to the boiling point. Interesting, but shouldn't there be a few scenarios developing this theme through the sixties and seventies first. I always thought that it was the Fate that caused some ghouls to break away and be all sociopathic in the eighties. (When Detwiller was just an itty-bitty gamer in the larval stage of professional game designer :) > I wouldn't say that's irrelevant to them. I don't think they went > there looking for it but following up local legends and the such they came > into contact with it. As the Gate might represent a possible escape route > they'd want to take a look. Control of it could give them possible control > over the ghouls and a gate that directly leads to a God is nothing to sneeze > at. it could help their power base if nothing else. Not in my campaign. The Shan are trying to avoid the Great Old Ones and the ENDTIMES. The Shan do not have enough resources to conquer homo sapiens sapiens, let alone an entire Mythos race. Old-fashioned spying on the White Ziggurat, no matter who controls it, would only offer them exposure instead of opportunity. I also wonder if the Shan can enter the Dreamlands. They probably picked up the L'gyhx folks on Uranus' Dreamlands. Then again, no known sightings of Shan in Earth's Dreamlands have been reported. The Shan should just use their Top Secret ZIRCON spy satellites/teleportal network/orbital breeding hive-nests to take candid camera shots of the place. Note that this closely parallels US/NATO/UN policy; placing IMINT over HUMINT. Israel is the only nation that plays it backwards. They have to, enemies in downtown Lebanon or Jerusalem can't be spotted from 100 miles up. This is why the Mossad has such a harsh rep. > Now, I also think I view MJ differently. i view them as an > organization that started out investigating aliens and has grown well beyond > their original charter. I view them as secret masters of America, foremost > when dealing with the Greys, but involved in a variety of other agendas. You make them more powerful than they should be at this time. All of their power derives from the Grey's Mythos tainted gifts. Since many MJ-12 personnel retain their sanity, they cannot operate like the Black Brotherhood or other world-dominating Mythos cults; they don't even know anything about the Mythos. Instead, the organization is a battleground between the Sane and Insane, the Sane folk will shut down "failed" projects that the Insane ones would allow to continue "just to see what would happen." Currently, most of the folks at MJ-12 are still sane - for the time being. The Secret Master identity of MJ-12 is premature and can be prevented if Gavin Ross and Delta Green can succeed in removing folks like Dr. Freidrich Lounds, LT GEN Thomas Deerhausen, Abner Ringwood and Justin Croft from the Steering Committee. In my upcoming conversion of "Music of the Spheres" from "The Stars Are Right," Delta Green gets a chance to discredit Lounds (MJ-4) and remove him from the committee. Later on, during my Epic Mega-Campaign "The Grey War" Majestic's cover is blown, just in time for some ENDTIMES/CthulhuPunk fun. In other words, MJ-12 is well on the way towards becoming the organization you use, but not if enough ruthless people prevent them first. > << Again, the New Ghouls probably don't operate in France. It would be mean > and nasty to have outcast ghouls from the Strong French Mordiggian cult > to have a presence in the FFL, not a big one, but there nonetheless. These > cult deserters might somehow contact their spiritual brethren in NYC.>> > > Here I was referring to the garrison in French Guyana, not the FFL as > a whole. I have other plans for them :) Me too, the outcastes would want to be close the the White Ziggurat. Their plan would be to revitalize the compound for their own use in worshipping Hastur, Nyarlathotep and (in a deal with evil natives) Shub-Niggurath. > again, I think I run them differently. I consider the Fate's power > base in NYC but they are world-wide with their connections. I also feel that > their real interests lies in the occult/mythos but they deal in the temporal > world as well. Money and power comes from drug-running and arms dealings > (and so on) as well as the mythos IMHO. I thought the whole point was that they don't have to do the dirty work of drug-running/arms-dealing/loitering because they take a clean percentage off the guys who do. My view of the Fate is that of a secret society/social club for cult leaders, a sort of "Cult of Cults." Each member of the Network has the resource of the Lords/Adepts to do their bidding, and money from the crime-bosses who have no Mythos knowledge other than fear. This gives them world wide reach, but not as a whole. So Lorenzo De Vargas, President of Bolivian Air Freight might be the largest cocaine producer in the world. However, his master - Papa-Pichhu the Immortal One; aka Jesus Delacruz, NYC fruit stand owner/operator and High Priest of Shub-Niggurath for the Fate would allow Montgomery Kensington III, Duke of Buttburne and Glaaki's chief Impaler for the Fate, some juice in South America (or at least Bolivia). But only as far as Jesus allows (ie no clearcutting or slash and burn agriculture). > i think the K would be interested in a European project a few hundred > miles from their base. they might not realize how to exploit it yet but they > would keep an eye on it. but I agree, they would be a minor player on the > scene. They would have to be a minor player because they don't have the manpower to be everywhere at everytime. There has to be a limit on the operations of each and every conspiracy or the game degenerates into a "Conspiracy of the Week" mentality. Just because it's geographically close, doesn't mean the Special K knows about it, or even cares. They have minds to warp and inferior races to smack down. Rocket launching bugs plus the Karotechia could only lead to... SPACE NAZIS~! and no one wants that. I estimate that there are several hundred Bauer, A few dozen Ritter, a few dozen Lebenstentotenstentotententotesten, thirteen Bischofe and Three guys in a homosexual necrophiliac cannibalistic Menage a trois. This places actual Karotechia and not clueless racist idiots at less than 500-600 at the most. Now they might own a few of French Guyana's Officer Corps, bought off with drug money, but NWI, the Fate, and the CIA could also be paying these same corrupt officials. This makes the Karotechia's sources into quadruple agents, which the Shan might infest... The Man in Black is : SPACE GAMER~! Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E PLuribus Unum [Pyramidal caudal pole] : [The Pathway is crossed ] : [...into darkness] http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:45:44 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: At your Door? On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Randall L. Orndorff wrote: > Is this supplement still in print? I am thinking of adapting it for my > campaign which starts this monday, and am thinking of looking for it. In print, no. Adaptation disscussion has been done before: http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/dgadapt.htm We might want to add a link to certain Tcho-Tcho discussions both recent and past to that URL's HTML, not to give away too much. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E PLuribus Unum [Pyramidal caudal pole] : [The Pathway is crossed ] : [...into darkness] http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:00:49 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: FFL [ was Tcho-Tchos and the Russians ] On Sat, 3 Jul 1999, Janusz A. Urbanowicz wrote: > Eckhard Wrote: > The guy who shoot was 22, he was born in Poznań. As a kid he was a boy scout > and a member of catholic "Light, life" youth movement. When arrested he said > he served in Legion Etrangere for 5 years. Asked why he killed he answered > that in LE he was taught to eliminate danger. > An failed op SAN0 dropout gone wild ? An example of [DG] burnout ? What you > need to see before to consider two teenagers a danger ? He obviously thought (right or wrong, sane or insane) that he was being pursued. Shooting at the teenagers was a misguided and idiotic attempt o implement a "no witnesses" policy. In a DG world; the corpses might be a dead giveaway (sic) or a SAN check for his sane pursuers, who might be pawns of Interpol/Cult of Trancendence/Karotechia/Whomever. Maybe he was fighting folks with Consume Likeness. Sounds like a St. Jerome candidate who failed the admissions test, or maybe a Sword of the Order put down in a bad way. The Man in Black is : smoking the smoking gun CIA spy galoise for this. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum [Pyramidal caudal pole] : [The Pathway is crossed ] : [...into darkness] http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:05:56 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Worlds most dangerous places On Sat, 3 Jul 1999, Jeff McSpadden wrote: > for those of you who are too lazy to go to the book store, see > http://www.fieldingtravel.com/ . This is an online resource for the > most dangerous places that the cia could take a cue from. The CIA issues INTEL to State, who then let civilians have travel warnings: http://travel.state.gov/travel_warnings.html The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E PLuribus Unum [Pyramidal caudal pole] : [The Pathway is crossed ] : [...into darkness] http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 18:56:31 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: The EU On Thu, 1 Jul 1999, Juergen Hubert wrote: > Consider the new European currency, the Euro, which, despite declining > in value strongly compared to the US dollar, hasn't incresed inflation, > but which has made US exports much more expensive in the EU. This is, in a limited way, inflation (when prices go up, value of people's savings go down). This is why trade wars are bad, tariffs and boycotts tend to get out of hand and cause depressions, this happened after many folks lost their investment moneies in 1929. Governments decided to protect the home markets with mega tariffs exacerbating the economic ruins. NOTE that I have no real economic understanding and am just parroting here, unlike when I have actually researched a topic. I would think that the Euro is nothing more than bait for the IMF and Currency Speculators to invest in a United Europe. Basing European solidarity on a borderless economy is what the EU is all about, right? > Consider that the EU has recently, on a summit in Rio de Janero, started > talks about a free trade zone with South America - one comment made at > the summit was that the EU didn't want to leave all those market > opportunities to the USA. (I wonder how the USA media portrayed the > meeting between the German chancellor Schroeder and Fidel Castro). This is how the US media portrayed the event: First I heard of it there Hubert. Now I need to lok this one up. Maybe the Wall Street Journal made a big deal out of it, but CNN and such slipped right under my radar. Course my TV broke down, so it'll be a week or so before I get a new one. > In recent times, many EU leaders seem to have come to the conclusion > that, while the EU and the USA are strong partners, economic, military, > or otherwise, they are also economic rivals. This is dangerous thinking by those "leaders." The economy (according to the US run IMF) is now global. To arbitrarily divide the world into economic "Zones" is a bad thing. I won't go so far as to say that all nations should abandon economic controls (the buzzword for today is "self-regulating"), but to standardize these economic controls Internationally would be a pretty good idea, depending on the standards implemented of course. > Perhaps some Mythos forces will try to increase the latent anti-US > sentiments. But to what end? Yes, fuck the imperialist Yankee pig-dogs. The Man in Black is : fucking the imperialist Yankee gorgeous babes. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E PLuribus Unum "Felicity Shagwell. Shagwell by name, Shag *very* well by reputation." http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 01:21:42 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: The EU The Man in Black schrieb: [ snipped ] Yeah, that's what you expect when you come back home at 0200 hours in the morning [ and rather drunk and / or stoned ] and check out your Email-account: 5 postings from the MiB!! Thank You, Man in Black!! Cheers, _EH_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 20:00:36 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: DG: Competitive Intelligence The subject of this post is a buzzword for Corporate Espionage. Perpetrators of CI claim to use Open Source info to provide useful reports about certain industries and companies. There are organizations and Private Investigation companies who specialize in this sort of thing. A couple of useful URL's: www.scip.org www.fuld.com ObDG: CI professionals are likely to come from Intelligence and military backgrounds similar to Wackenhut and other private security investigators. Thus they could very well be former DG Agents or Friendlies. These folks would be extremely useful in a campaign against March Technologies and/or New World Industries. Unethical corporations like the above are also likely to utilize CI pros as well. A best case scenario is to have NWI or MT employ DG friendlies, giving DG an insider. Perhaps the "in-house" corporate security are under suspicion and in disfavor thanks to a DG frameup; and this is why CI pros were hired. Or it may be that due to a successful DG op, their corporate security is suffering a severe personel shortage and must recruit and subcontract from other companies. March Technologies might hire an ex-Majestic sort for it's CI duties to keep sensitive data away from it's own folks. The underlings working for such a subcontractor might be DG or worse. In any case, CI investigators make a good non-DG group for DG roleplaying. Now, how about we all do an agency template or two for DG.com? It would be Kewl to have some NGO's* on the team. * NGO: non Governmental organization, an International Relations buzzword. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E PLuribus Unum [Pyramidal caudal pole] : [The Pathway is crossed ] : [...into darkness] http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 20:09:04 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: DG: Expanding our Horizons? Does anyone else think that alt.conspiracy.delta-green or alt.horror.cthulhu.delta-green is a good idea? How about implementing one those ludicrous web based meessage boards? The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E PLuribus Unum [Pyramidal caudal pole] : [The Pathway is crossed ] : [...into darkness] http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:52:05 EDT From: CobaltZero@aol.com Subject: DG: Re: Worlds most dangerous places Well, since the MiB requested so, and I fear and respect the smack down, here is some more info on that book. the ISBN is 1-56952-140-9. It's 21.95, american money-things. It's a great value, clocking in at 950 pages (eat that, Pagan!). And it's a good book just to pick up and read when you're bored. Lotsa little info facts, divided into neat little sections; like that you should never, ever, ever trust Brazilian police, and a fatty chapter on the varied sorts of lanmines. MMMM, landmines. Even includes a chapter on America! Thats right kids! We're just as dangerous as walking around Peru! brent. man on fire. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 01:34:17 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: DG: EMERALD HAMMER QUESTION I have a question of utmost importance for all EMERALD HAMMER authors. This is a matter that I have pondered for many a minute and I cannot reach a conclusion. Of such a troublesome and difficult nature is this decision before me, that I must call for a vote of all EH authors. In standard Parlimentarian fashion I shall not vote except to break a tie. The question is this: Is EMERALD HAMMER Mythos Compliant, or is it Mythos Defiant? I humbly submit the matter to the table, please vote AYE for Compliant and NAY for Defiant - BY EMAIL ONLY - those posting their vote to the list shall not be counted. Naturally those bystanders hoping to influence the vote by low content posting will be subjected to new and improved Smack-Down (TM), 100% more effective than Whoop-@$$ (also TM). Votes will be tabulated by corrupt-systems.com, now with even more value-added corruption. The Man in Black is : master of Robert's Rules of New World Order. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E PLuribus Unum [Pyramidal caudal pole] : [The Pathway is crossed ] : [...into darkness] http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 09:29:00 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Re: Worlds most dangerous places CobaltZero@aol.com schrieb: > Well, since the MiB requested so, and I fear and respect the smack > down, here is some more info on that book. the ISBN is 1-56952-140-9. It's > 21.95, american money-things. > It's a great value, clocking in at 950 pages (eat that, Pagan!). And > it's a good book just to pick up and read when you're bored. Lotsa little > info facts, divided into neat little sections; like that you should never, > ever, ever trust Brazilian police, and a fatty chapter on the varied sorts of > lanmines. MMMM, landmines. > Even includes a chapter on America! Thats right kids! We're just as > dangerous as walking around Peru! > > brent. man on fire. I think I heard of this book quite a while ago. Isn't there also a chapter about Germany? ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:37:31 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: Mythos elements in children's shows revisited Hidey ho! This is part of an old thread we seem to come back to pretty often. Anyway, I've been watching the latest batch of tapes a friend back in Texas records for me, and I've been enjoying the new Batman Beyond cartoons (the old Batman is now retired with heart problems, so a young turk has taken on the cowl--it obviously owes a lot to Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns series). What caught my attention is in the opening sequence: there's a shot of the future-Gotham skyline, and there's this one building that dominates the rest, and it has a big yellow kanji (Chinese character) on it, probably a hundred meters or more in height. At first I thought it was "tiger," which seemed cool, but my wife put me straight: it's "yellow." Yes, in the future Gotham, there's a gigantic Chinese character for "yellow" towering over the city. So, have you seen the yellow sign? Can't wait to see Batman going up against the Cult of Hastur. There's also a villain named Inque who is obviously made of proto-matter. And in the modern-day Batman/Superman Adventures, there was an episode named "Unity" which featured an clearly Lovecraftian monster. Ah, it's good to know the writers have read the classics! I think that's why they manage to do such a good job--much better than any of the Hollywood super-budget Batman movies, for sure. David Farnell -- Fukuoka, Japan ============================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 12:31:31 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: DG: New Lovecraftian movie. Greetings, All CoC GMs ought to see "The Red Violin". It's a beautiful example of a subtly crafted, Lovecraftian story. The film traces the lives of the various owners of a violin of a quality similar to a Stradavarius that was created for the son of the master craftsman. The son and his mother died in childbed just before the coat of varnish was applied. Each owner became a fine musician but also became obsessed with the instrument. All of them also seemed to habitually play the mother's favorite tune, or some variation on that theme. I won't give more away, but it's worth checking out. Sadly, it has a very limited release and is mostly playing in "art theaters" Phil Posehn ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. 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