From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V2 #1 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Friday, July 16 1999 Volume 02 : Number 001 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:19:21 -0700 From: raven@mocha.iceinternet.com (Collins James D./Sarah H. Wood) Subject: Re: DG: Ronald Reagan - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BECF0B.38DE3870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Popping out of the woodwork to comment: > Anybody out there ever considered that the fact that Ronald Reagan = seems to have forgotten EVERYTHING could be the work of the Great Race of Yith? Could Yith possession cause Alzheimer's? As a side note, having worked = at a intermediate care facility (nursing home), I've never met an = Alzheimer's patient that wasn't a very nice person before they = contracted the disease. I guess that stands as a proof that Reagan's = Alzheimer's was contracted as a result of the Yith possession 8). Perhaps Alzheimer's is an evolutionary step toward the Dreamlands. Maybe = the disease restructures the brain and sends the patient into the = Dreamlands (where they survive after their body succumbs to the = disease). Just a thought... Later. James D. 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I rather enjoyed that from a cyberpunk point of view, and for Delta Green we have some interesting images of the millenium. S P O I L E R The serial rapist.killer in that uses the new and illegal for civillians simsense technology to rape and murder women, while he's doing it, he has a broadcast unit on himself, and a receiver on them, so while he's raping/killing the, they can feel the pleasure he's getting from it. A seriously disturbing thought. Now, put something along these lines on a renegade MJ-12 agent, and have NRO speedwagon chasing him down, and off you go, instant DG chase movie. Plus, the simense had a vaguely organic look, a little like a plastic and silicon facehugger from aliens ;) Phil > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Pencis [SMTP:cpencis@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 6:24 PM > To: deltagreen@nocturne.org > Subject: DG: more from Leo Marks > > The victims faces show horror beyond what the police detectives had ever > before seen - a key plot line is their (and the audiences) morbid > curiosity in what the murderer did to generate that emotion / face as he > killed the victim. > > The killer was filming the murders / deaths of the victims and he was > using a mirror in front of the lens to insure that the victims saw their > own expressions and body as they died. This kind of thing seems ripe for > use in a Puppet Shows / Shadow Plays type context - an mythos being > feeding off of the horror generated by its victims finding ways to > maximize its impact. > ************************************************************* This email is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient. Sony cannot accept liability for statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not made on behalf of Sony. ************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:07:15 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Breaking and Entering (longish) In a message dated 7/15/99 2:54:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mib@cyberspace.org writes: << I'd smack you down, but that honor belongs to that sleazy hollywood prima donna, reptilian Walker Texas Ranger, pretensions of Nobility, and lost member of the NKOTB, Markie-Mark. >> That's Diggler. Dirk Diggler. I've been doing some thinking about breaking&entering, and here's what an amateur systems kinda guy thinks. Batteries and fuses are a given. Anything worth going after will be protected by a system designed by someone who is at least as smart as you are. And probably smarter in the disciplines of security, unless you are a professional. So the power will have a backup, the multiple and redundant alarm systems will utilize several different physical avenues of monitoring, passwords will not be obvious and there is no single point of failure to exploit. First, you use traditional means to get a picture of what you are dealing with. Bribery, blackmail, brainwashing, blowjobs, whatever it takes find out all of the passwords you will need and where you have to enter them and where all the alarms are and wiring diagrams and which vendors service what and all the drudgery best expressed by colorful descriptions and dice rolling. My gut feeling is that going after the alarms alone is a mistake. I would go after alarms and nonetheless act as if I had set one off. This is not as defeatist as it sounds. The decision to call out a red alert with alarms and twitchy people with automatic weapons which co$t$ money is one that is easy to come to when all 7 alarms go off. But if 6 are green and only one is red, you would tell a car to cruise by and give it a look-see. Especially if the monitor shows the corridors and elevators are empty thanks to your handy dandy looping video. Another approach is to go after the "givens." Yes, the UPS will keep the systems going if you cut the external power. So go after the UPS. Here's the beauty of this approach: in order to protect the data center\vault\command center\secret volcano base all of the grid power comes in through an UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply), which is essentially an array of batteries to kick in and take up the slack if grid power should be lost. Now, having the lights flutter and dim until the batteries kick in is acceptable for lamps but absolutely unacceptable for critical systems. So the modern UPS essentially pass all power *through* the UPS. Grid power constantly recharges UPS batteries which supply constant clean digitally controlled power to the missile silo\comm center\Fortune 100 Company headquarters. Everything is running off of DC power which is oscillated to AC for consumption. Constant voltage, constant frequency, digitally controlled. If you change the frequency of the oscillation, or the voltage, or both, you can fry everything in the building. Alternatively, AC appliances don't take too well to DC power. Or, assault the offsite security company with the power attack, and go after your target while the security people desperately try to convince all *their customers* who are complaining about all the goddamn *alarms* that they are still safe and everything is under control. It doesn't take much to trip alarms. If you know all the customers of the security firm, trip an alarm at ALL of their customers simultaneously. Which one was the real break-in, now that all the lights are green again? I mean, come on, it must be an equipment failure. What are the odds of alarms at *every* customer going off at once? Here is a common oversight in private sector data center design: most do not have the air conditioning on the UPS, so the computers will stay up and processing, without cooling, in an environment without windows to open. Going after military targets can be harder than private sector because the person with the final say in security is a security officer instead of an accountant. So the security people are military and subject to military discipline, security checking, and monitoring. They often have their own power generating equipment and all systems are internal. Sometimes they actually have local UPS feeding from a main. Belt AND suspenders when the taxpayers are picking up the tab. Screw it, they're all underpaid. Get one to fetch. Remember Falcon, or the Walker family? I guess what I'm saying is: the details may change with time and technology, but the overall concept is as old as picking pockets. Misdirect, distract, and lose yourself in the crowd. Never ever play to the opponents strength. They are security professionals, you are (probably) a Federal employee with a different skill set. Don't try to escape detection, give them too much to detect. Trevanian worked out a nifty plan for stealing a valuable painting in The Loo Sanction. Paint a ripping good counterfeit. Slash it and deface it. In best Mission Impossible fashion (moving fast while alarms are going off), steal original painting and leave mutilated counterfeit behind. Everyone assumes the crime was some sort of political/artistic statement and set to restoring the mutilated classic. From then on, any anomalies are attributed to the restoration process. Change the paintings into McGuffins and play with the concept. Try this variation: actually steal something else but leave a mangled (fried by faulty power?) copy of your objective. People don't search for signs of things they think were destroyed and will focus on the theft. Also consider mounting your campaign to gain access. That is, create diversions and alarums and excursions and set off the Halon to get your guy inside behind the firewall at some remote peripheral with a floppy full of Trojan Horses (that's plural, belt AND suspenders) for exploiting later. Mark McFadden Congenital criminal and dapper man-about-town. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:11:45 -0000 From: "Crossingham, Adam" Subject: Re: DG: Love Parade Barry Hill writes: <<< Any other sites we know of that may be where this act of cosmic copulation may occur? >>> If you believe the new-ish theories*, the Great Pyramid of Giza, Egypt. * I unreliably recall that there are previously unknown or little know tunnels point to star constellations, theories are that these are to allow the dead pharaoh to emit his seed into the heavens or something like that. There are some interesting rites that to be performed x days after embalming - - related to the 'Opening of the Mouth' ceremony and stuff that support these theories. - -- Adam Crossingham Work: adam.crossingham@octavian1009.e-mail.com Home: tigger@the-wolery.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:59:34 +0200 From: Juergen Hubert Subject: Re: DG: Midgard Serpent > Jacob Busby Bsc. schrieb: > [ snip ] > > Sounds like a variation on the Midgard Serpent from Norse Mythology to me. > > Has anybody ever thought of Loki as a primitve version of Gnarlie? According > > to the Legends he gave man fire (as opposed to nuclear power) and was the god > > of mischief. > > Thinking of Loki as an early avatar of Nyarlathotep is an obvious and not too new > idea. I already used him a couple of times that way, although not in DG but CoC > in the 20s and the 1890s [ and even in an AD&D campaign with mythos influences I > do not dare to call crossover.. ]. > In my opinion many old legends and folk stories about the devil contacting > humankind bear a certain resemblance to legends dealing with Loki's interaction > with humans. They both appear as deceivers who manipulate. And since it is > accepted that many appearances of the devil are in fact the work of Nyarlathotep > [the Dark Demon, etc. ] it seems only logical to me think of Loki as an early [ i > would not say primitive ] avatar of him. > > ECKHARD There are a lot of stories about the devil in Franconian (Franconia = northern Bavaria) myths and legends. The strange thing is: A lot of people who make deals or bets with the devil seem to get the better of him! Even priests do - one story tells how a priest gets the devil to build a church for him for nothing in return... Well, those stories are probably nothing more than stories to get people to agree to a deal with the devil (or GOO avatar) in the first place... - - Juergen Hubert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:25:09 +0300 (EET DST) From: Mikko Kauppinen Subject: DG: A very disturbed thought Yesterday, I was watching the "VH-1 Divas Live" concert on TV. I figured it would be a nice, non-taxing activity to lull the old feverish brain to sleep. Little did I know. When Celine Dion stepped onstage, I experienced a sudden insight into the very nature of our universe. Well, not quite, but it sounds nice. Anyway, she was wearing a LONG BLACK COAT (Evidence, item 1). Is it not a mark of Woman in Black -activity? Furthermore, her native tongue is FRENCH (#2), in itself enough to suggest the worst. There's more. Celine does not look like your average Hollywood bimbo, rather a bit... UNEARTHLY? (I know there must be a better word for it, but this will do for now.) Which makes it 3. And now we arrive to the most suspicious item: her huge hit song, MY HEART WILL GO ON (#4). A fairly ordinary film tie-in ballad, yet probably the biggest hit of the year. Considering the above, is it not obvious that the recording contains some subliminal frequencies which affect your mind in ways you cannot even begin to fathom. Courtesy of our friends at MJ-12, naturally. She is one of THEM, and they helped her to make it big. FOUR pieces of damning evidence, ladies and gentlemen. This music will make you more susceptible to any number of influences, and if you do not like the song, it marks you as THE ENEMY in the minds of the affected. I rest my case. Celine Dion is a Woman in Black, one of Majestic's proudest achievements. Help me, please. I'm a very sick individual. Is there any hope of recovery, or must I resort to the .45 ACP retirement plan (9mm just won't do it)? Mikko Kauppinen DG GFC #313 - -- Samba dragon #5 ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jul 99 11:51:29 +0100 From: Peter Devlin Subject: DG: RE: Breaking and Entering Discussion Regards all this B+E and EMP stuff, there are much simpler ways to get into electronically guarded facilities. MiB mentioned the prime methods, beating the shit out of someone until you get their entry codes, raking trash for data or spending a little time observing the area until you get a few clues. Never rule out the potential for bribery or blackmail of employees or security staff, this is another main-road B+E tactic. Most electronic alarms use telephone or radio links to inform security (usually an incompetent third party, or the cops) of the breach. Non-secure telephone links can be foxed by dialling the number of the alarm to keep the line engaged. Phone links can be disbled by cutting the wire but beware that more sophisticated systems operate on a fail-safe mechanism where the off-site security monitor will trigger an alarm unless it receives a call every, say, 15 minutes, an electronic "I'm here". Suitable technology can be used to duplicate this fail-safe signal. For these ops, access to the utility systems is necessary as secure lines are usually underground. Radio links are a little more difficult to deal with but the principles are the same. Just remember that fail-safe signals are often encrypted if digital transmission is used. Again, observation and sampling will be necessary. Electronic datalogging devices may be used in all cases, and there are now versions of such which can tap into supposedly secure fibre-optic landlines. Security personnel are an important factor when things go wrong. A little silent wetwork at the time of intrusion can readily take care of instant-response security. Bear in mind that alarm signals may be sent to multiple locations. The best methods are those simple, tried and tested ones. If the target is a private residence simply back up a removals van and empty everything into it, bystanders rarely interfere. If the target is a secure facility (e.g. bank) then blasting or cutting your way in are the preferred options, usually during the period of a public holiday. DG agents may not have the necessary skills and hardware for larger secure facilities so 'Mission Impossible' stuff becomes necessary. A viable trick for getting specific small items out of banks etc. is to secrete high-explosive in a personal strongbox, remote detonate it and show up immediately in disguise as federal or govt authorities. Poking around without causing a stramash is more difficult than simple grand-scale robbery. Presuming that this refers to a suspects home where warrants are not immediately forthcoming, a fake domestic crisis whilst the resident is out is the best method to gain initial entry. Flooding due to burst pipes, danger from fires, reported gas leaks, fire safety visits, medical emergency, building inspections, TV film crew, the dreaded IRS visit or the old 'millionaire investor interested in buying the property' are all viable building-entry methods for DG agents on limited resources. Other nastier methods include fingering the suspect as a drug dealer not paying kickbacks or as a child molester, guaranteeing a visit from battering-ram wielding cops. Simpy follow up once the cops have gone. Alternatively pay a bunch of gangbangers to do a home invasion. Or have a small explosive delivered via courier. Cheers :-) --> :-0 Peter Devlin Bell, Book and Candle - http://www.rpg.net/ The South Side - http://??? Email - pdevlin@scotsys.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:24:02 +0200 From: Juergen Hubert Subject: Re: DG: Life Imitates the mailing list > TW: When I was younger [ about two years ago ] and rather, well, yes, you could > call it drunk, I wrote several letters [all with the same text] to several > churches and organized religions, saying that I was the leader of a new church, > the "Esoteric Order of Dagon" and asked them, if they could give me any advice on > how to recruit new members. > The results were the following: > > The German Bishop's conference [ Catholic church ] did not answer the first > letter and they refused to accept the second. > [snip] > > The Protestants sent me a booklet about the danger of sects. > > > Strange but true. > > ECKHARD You actually asked the main Protestant and Catholic organizations in Germany how to attract _new members_??? No wonder that they thought you were making fun of them... BTW, a recent issue of Newsweek (or Newsweak, or whatever...) had a large article about the decline of organized religion in Western Europe. I smell the work of Mythos forces here... (OK, that smell is _everywhere_, so that's no big surprise.) - - Juergen Hubert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:35:07 +0200 From: Juergen Hubert Subject: Re: DG: Love Parade > On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: > > > "Love is the Key"? > > > It's rather obvious that this parade was dedicated to Yog-Sothoth! > > Close, but no cigar. I think it's a ceremony to fuel the hideous > otherworldly mating of YOG-SOTHOTH and Mythos Goddess Shub-Niggurath. > YIKES! *two* 1d10/1d100 SAN rolls. Well, since it's over this time Berlin wasn't changed into something awful, we'll have to wait until next year to find out (and yes, it will be in Berlin again)... > ObDG: Here's a rules variation for cruel keepers, instead of 1d100 SAN > loss, just roll 10d10. Nice and smooth, Eh? Especially if the players don't know math and don't realize that it doesn't average out to the same... - - Juergen Hubert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:24:46 -0400 (EDT) From: John Petherick Subject: Re: DG: A very disturbed thought At 01:25 PM 7/16/99 +0300, you wrote: > > >Yesterday, I was watching the "VH-1 Divas Live" concert on TV. I figured >it would be a nice, non-taxing activity to lull the old feverish brain to >sleep. Little did I know. > >When Celine Dion stepped onstage, I experienced a sudden insight into the >very nature of our universe. Well, not quite, but it sounds nice. Anyway, >she was wearing a LONG BLACK COAT (Evidence, item 1). Is it not a mark of >Woman in Black -activity? Furthermore, her native tongue is FRENCH (#2), >in itself enough to suggest the worst. > >There's more. Celine does not look like your average Hollywood bimbo, >rather a bit... UNEARTHLY? (I know there must be a better word for it, but >this will do for now.) Actually, the words are "anorexia" and "bulimia". >Which makes it 3. And now we arrive to the most >suspicious item: her huge hit song, MY HEART WILL GO ON (#4). A fairly >ordinary film tie-in ballad, yet probably the biggest hit of the year. >Considering the above, is it not obvious that the recording contains some >subliminal frequencies which affect your mind in ways you cannot even >begin to fathom. Courtesy of our friends at MJ-12, naturally. She is one >of THEM, and they helped her to make it big. > The FIFTH piece of evidence is her controller / manager / husband / father-figure Rene Angelou. Seeing the two of them together gets one thinking about Electra complexes and the possibility of alien-alien hybridization. A more frightening thought is that Celine is going to "retire" in order to produce offspring. The baby photos will probably be immediately sealed into the ICE CAVE. ********************************************************************* John Petherick, CIH jpetheri@cyberbeach.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:45:12 +0100 From: Ward Phil Subject: DG: DG Hogshead + John Tynes People may be interested to note that those nice people over at Hogshead are publishing not one... but TWO games by our beloved John Tynes, in one volume. http://www.hogshead.demon.co.uk/ Certain others amongst us may be amused by the title of their new 70's cop show's: "Get you're trousers on, you're nicked". Go give these people some money, at least a few of them play DG :) Phil ************************************************************* This email is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient. Sony cannot accept liability for statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not made on behalf of Sony. ************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:01:42 -0400 From: becole@juno.com Subject: Re: DG: Breaking and Entering On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:47:32 -0400 (EDT) The Man in Black writes: > >by kidnapping someone with access and >beating >the info out of them, or maybe doing trashing, research... > On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 numbers numbers (EDT) LizardRoi@aol.com writes: >First, you use traditional means to get a picture of what you are dealing >with. Bribery, blackmail, brainwashing, blowjobs, whatever it takes find out >all of the passwords you will need and where you have to enter them and where >all the alarms are and wiring diagrams and which vendors service what and all >the drudgery best expressed by colorful descriptions and dice rolling. I think this whole thing is becoming far too complex for digestion....especially when you figure that the people who are really going to have to contend with these issues (barring any of our list members' unofficial nocturnal activities....stop snickering, dammit, you know what I meant) are going to be a group of players that someone is keeping for who have all of maybe two hours to conceive, plan, and execute a "visit" (B/E). I think that the two messages talking, albeit briefly, about the human factor are the best. You don't beat an army, you beat a general/commander....you don't beat a firewall or a anti-viral code, you beat the programmer/technician/developer. It boils down to a simple case of understanding who designed/leads/holds what you are trying to disable/beat/steal. People are the weakest link in any technology available on the planet...why? Because unfortunately for everyone, people still have to make this shit. Therefore, a product, service, or, even plan, is only as good as the people who came up with it....their views, expertise, prejudices, and fears. With that in mind, as the MiB so brutally put it, you can achieve the impossible through the simple application of "transcending interpersonal communication". This is why even the least educated of minds can be dangerous (reference here to 'common criminal'). All it requires is willpower, access, opportunity and motive. If that Teledyne-Telamonian-Nutbuster-Thirty-Three-Helga-SteelThigh (tm) model door lock won't yield without a fight, you find the guy who has the key, the local rep who sells that shit, or a technician in the company itself....the guy who uses it, the guy who put it in place to begin with, or the guy who designed it. The overlap comes about because if a house has ten different alarm systems, then you know instantly that there is one good source to go to....the home owner. Be like water, to quote M. Musashi. Everything else becomes academic (when do we lift him? What do we break first if he doesn't talk?) Some of the stinkiest goo I have ever seen players get into is when they thought to disable the three redundant alarm systems on a research factory, then had a complete brain fart half-way into the building when they called a researcher who worked there, tried to impersonate his boss, and stymied intellectually when the guy asked why his boss was working at 1:00 in the morning. The best plans are not the simplest, they are simply the ones that allow you to reflect on your plan afterwards, with no change in freedom, mental capacity, or health (notice the absence of any SAN reference). I see, -B ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:39:23 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: Breaking and Entering Greetings. A minor technicality.... >Regarding the topic of CBU-72s: It's mushroom cloud really seems to look >extremely identical to that of nuclear bombs. Any explosion powerful enough causes a mushroom cloud - the shape of the plume is produced by the plume materials interacting with different (in terms of temperature and pressure) layers of the athmosphere. Stupidly enough, weather conditions and altitude are also significant - it's easier to get the 'shroom cloud on a plateau (me? proposing we bomb Leng? Naaaah) or a mountaintop. Just a stupid detail, really. Take care. Davide Mana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:36:03 -0500 From: Nightstar Subject: DG: Austrian Mythos Greetings All, This year I will be vacationing in Vienna, Austria. This will be my first trip outside the U.S. other than crossing just over the border to Mexico. I would like to make the most of it, so I figured our European agents might be able to direct me to areas of possible Mythos or DG interest (please, no baby graves). Finally, the light at the end of the tunnel. . . . heh, heh, heh! Nightstar ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:57:28 -0500 (CDT) From: MSubias@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: DG: Bloodying the Blade (was assorted Gurkhas threads) I still maintain that a kris can only be wavy bladed although I do admit that my International Encyclopedia of Weapons does say a kris may be wavy or straight and that the weapon is characterized by an asymmetrical spur at the base of the blade - unfortunately I am far too stubborn a SOB to ever admit I may have been wrong and that someone else may have been correct. OK I'm sorry - I think the straight blade kris may be right after all!. This is an interesting view however . Still I am sorry I ever set this hare running. Barry God, I don't mind. I love talking about (and learning more about) low-tech combat, especially when the subject involves blades. You know, for me at least, the kris seems somehow wrong for the Tcho Tchos. Perhaps we can come up with a better "traditional" blade used in the TT culture? On the other hand, as a race of degenerates, maybe they'd just pick up whatever they find. Or maybe instead of iron from meteors, the best TT blades would contain a metal from Leng, or some really weird extraterrestrial location, like the dreamlands? There is also a SE Asian legend of blades made with poison as part of their structure. Maybe the TT blades might actually slowly sweat venom? Many SE Asian blades are much more cutting than thrusting (such as barongs) or vica verca (pinutes have an edge, but are probably bettter for thrusting). Some SE Asian blades are shorter (barongs again, many krises and goloks), and others (like kampilans) tend towards substantial lengths. Would TTs tend to have smaller blades (better for concealment?), that could be best for cutting (throats from behind?). Any ideas? Marco ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:07:09 -0500 (CDT) From: MSubias@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: DG: Breaking and Entering Oh, I forgot the obvious here. For simple alarm systems that just have contacts on the doors and windows, one could basically cut a hole in a wall. If the building has cheap stucco or plasterboard walls this could be done quietly. A portable drill and a sawzall could work too, as might other tools. Better alarm systems would have hidden motion detectors, pressure plates, etc, but most home systems probably wouldn't. Marco ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:50:45 -0500 From: "Shane Ivey" Subject: RE: DG: Bloodying the Blade (was assorted Gurkhas threads) Is it just me and my dirty, dirty mind, or is the whole "blooding the blade" thing just as phallic as can be? "The long, rigid weapon shall never be drawn forth unless to taste warm flesh and blood and have its purpose fulfilled..." It arises (so to speak) in cultures across the world, but I would expect the Tcho-Tcho to take such a concept to entirely new spiritual and physical levels, of course, particularly those devoted to SN for their nasty fertility-and-death rites. Somebody with some free time ought to do a scenario around that or something and send it to Delta-Green.com. SHANE IVEY Zealot: Sci-fi & Fantasy Fun! http://www.zealot.com AOL Keyword: Z (We're now open! All are invited!) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-deltagreen@nocturne.org [mailto:owner-deltagreen@nocturne.org]On Behalf Of MSubias@ix.netcom.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 2:57 PM To: Deltagreen@nocturne.org Subject: Re: DG: Bloodying the Blade (was assorted Gurkhas threads) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 00:36:08 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Austrian Mythos Nightstar schrieb: > Greetings All, > This year I will be vacationing in Vienna, Austria. This will be my first > trip outside the U.S. other than crossing just over the border to Mexico. I > would like to make the most of it, so I figured our European agents might > be able to direct me to areas of possible Mythos or DG interest (please, no > baby graves). > > Finally, the light at the end of the tunnel. . . . heh, heh, heh! > > Nightstar I'll keep me from asking or making jokes about why the first trip outside the US leads you to Austria... Anyway. I'll try to answer your question. One Question by me though first: Will you stay in Austria, or will you have the opportunity to travel around Europe? If you will stay in Vienna or Austria, well, Vienna is a pretty cool city to place a CoC or DG campaign, may it be in the 1890s, 1920s, 1990s or whatever time you might choose. Vienna was the place where the Turks were beaten and kept from conquering Europe. This would definitely make a good background. And after WW II, Vienna was a place where there was a lot of espionage, probably only comparable to Berlin. Thus, Vienna can be pretty interesting. Visit the sewers when You are there! And remember: Hitler was an Austrian and NO German, thus visiting Braunau is interesting. If you have the opportunity to travel around Europe, you should definitely visit Paris and London for traditional CoC purposes and Amsterdam and the industrial cities of the valley of the Ruhr for DG purposes: Especially Amsterdam with it's huge Red light district and the extremely liberal drug laws can be pretty inspirational for DG uses. ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:45:43 -0500 From: Nightstar Subject: Re: DG: Bloodying the Blade (was assorted Gurkhas threads) At 02:57 PM 7/16/99 -0500, you wrote: >You know, for me at least, the kris seems somehow wrong for the Tcho Tchos. >Perhaps we can come >up with a better "traditional" blade used in the TT culture? On the other >hand, as a race of >degenerates, maybe they'd just pick up whatever they find. Or maybe instead >of iron from >meteors, the best TT blades would contain a metal from Leng, or some really >weird >extraterrestrial location, like the dreamlands? > >There is also a SE Asian legend of blades made with poison as part of their >structure. Maybe the >TT blades might actually slowly sweat venom? > >Many SE Asian blades are much more cutting than thrusting (such as barongs) >or vica verca >(pinutes have an edge, but are probably bettter for thrusting). Some SE >Asian blades are >shorter (barongs again, many krises and goloks), and others (like kampilans) >tend towards >substantial lengths. > >Would TTs tend to have smaller blades (better for concealment?), that could >be best for cutting >(throats from behind?). Any ideas? > >Marco > Consider a heavy, double edged blade made of chitinous exoskeleton magically hardened to the strength of steel with razor sharp edges that sweat venom. Now envision this blade being shaped similar to a boomerang so that it can be easily thrown as well as wielded hand to hand. Shsssssssssssssssssss! "Inspector, what's that sound?" "Quiet, you fool! Do you wan...uck!" Staring up from the ground, the inspector had just enough time to marvel at how strange the stars looked shining over the shoulders of his headless body. Finally, the light at the end of the tunnel. . . . heh, heh, heh! Nightstar ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 21:50:37 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Austrian Mythos In a message dated 99-07-16 18:38:35 EDT, you write: << Thus, Vienna can be pretty interesting. Visit the sewers when You are there! >> Absolutely, you've got to do the Third Man tour. Stuff yourself with world-class pastries and coffee Starbuck's only dreams about and absorb the history through osmosis. Catch an opera. See what spoor Freud left behind. Mark McFadden Gawk at the pretty white horsies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:56:38 -0500 From: Nightstar Subject: Re: DG: Austrian Mythos At 12:36 AM 7/17/99 +0200, you wrote: >I'll keep me from asking or making jokes about why the first trip outside >the US >leads you to Austria... My lovely Austrian wife and I are going to visit her family. >Anyway. I'll try to answer your question. >One Question by me though first: Will you stay in Austria, or will you have >the >opportunity to travel around Europe? We'll probably stay in Vienna and travel from that location. > Visit the sewers when You >are >there! Is this permitted or do I have to go dark? >If you have the opportunity to travel around Europe, you should definitely >visit >Paris and London for traditional CoC purposes and Amsterdam and the industrial >cities of the valley of the Ruhr for DG purposes: Especially Amsterdam with >it's >huge Red light district and the extremely liberal drug laws can be pretty >inspirational for DG uses. Inspirational, huh? ;-) Finally, the light at the end of the tunnel. . . . heh, heh, heh! Nightstar ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V2 #1 ******************************