From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V2 #3 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Tuesday, July 20 1999 Volume 02 : Number 003 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:06:39 +0100 From: Ward Phil Subject: DG: RE: Tiny Circuits Could Promote Fast Computers Man, molecular computers, did anybody read that first ground-breaking book on nannites and the rest, I forget what it's called, but it describes the first molecular computers as tiny little babbage engines, running on clowckwork, working vastly quicker than conventional IC's due to the tiny distances involved. As to DG? * MJ-12 ops can already do lots of things,. virus tailored to you; Kevin bacon (let's say) is injected with a virus that can be passed on by touch, and has no effect on anybody who doesn't have your _exact_ DNA match. 6 (or less) handshakes later, you're dead from a nasty outbreak of menningitis. * tiny little assemblers that grow blood clots. * progressive memory wipe * Injection to their workers, so if they don't continue to get the construction nannites , the poisons sacs in their systems break open and they die. Oooh, lots of stuff with Scully style investigations, mmmmm. But what they actually have is a simple switch? Phil > -----Original Message----- > From: Nightstar [SMTP:shepherd@infocom.com] > Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 1:47 PM > To: Delta Green List > Subject: DG: Tiny Circuits Could Promote Fast Computers > > Tiny Circuits Could Promote Fast Computers > From wire services REPORT > > SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Researchers have created computer circuitry in > a > single molecule a breakthrough that could open a brave new world of tiny > computers billions of times more powerful than current PCs and sensors > that > could be injected into the bloodstream to diagnose disease. > obDG: MJ-12 agent approaches our intrepid DG agent in a crowd and injects > him with a syringe full of molecular computers. Anyone care to speculate > on > the software? > ************************************************************* This email is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient. Sony cannot accept liability for statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not made on behalf of Sony. ************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:24:59 -0400 From: "Jimmie Bise, Jr." Subject: DG: Cryptography and the CIA I ran across this in the Washington Post. I figured there might be some interest in it out there with y'all. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/july99/kryptos19.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:29:44 -0400 From: "Randall L. Orndorff" Subject: DG: Thanks for the idea. Hi, I am writing this message for the sick bastard who had the idea of some woman having, well, sex with a Dark Young. I just wanted to let you know that I plan on using that idea (especially the visual imagery of her "floating" above the trees) in my game. I hope that I do not offend you by doing so, it just really fit well into this adventure I had designed. Thanks, ya sicko, and may you continue grant us enlightenment through your own twisted vision. =-) - -- - ---------------------- *Randall Orndorff * *Lightstream Internet* *rand@lightstream.net* *(888)345-0175 x180 * - ---------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:09:49 -0500 From: "Shane Ivey" Subject: DG: RE: Thanks for the idea. Way to go, SuperDave Farnell. You've spread your mental disease again. Next thing you know, some poor player will be screaming penile bisection to the asylum walls and eating cockroach brains just so he can write more convincing cockroach tales. "Nobody gets into the mind of the cockroach like Patient X235542," they'll say. "But why does he keep ranting about Max San Loss and Indefinite Release Dates?" I love this list. [sniff!] SHANE IVEY Zealot: Sci-fi & Fantasy Fun http://www.zealot.com AOL Keyword: Z - -----Original Message----- From: owner-deltagreen@nocturne.org [mailto:owner-deltagreen@nocturne.org]On Behalf Of Randall L. Orndorff Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 10:30 AM To: Delta Green List Subject: DG: Thanks for the idea. Hi, I am writing this message for the sick bastard who had the idea of some woman having, well, sex with a Dark Young. I just wanted to let you know that I plan on using that idea (especially the visual imagery of her "floating" above the trees) in my game. I hope that I do not offend you by doing so, it just really fit well into this adventure I had designed. Thanks, ya sicko, and may you continue grant us enlightenment through your own twisted vision. =-) - -- - ---------------------- *Randall Orndorff * *Lightstream Internet* *rand@lightstream.net* *(888)345-0175 x180 * - ---------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:53:18 -0400 (EDT) From: John Petherick Subject: Re: DG: Blades and Blair... At 12:24 PM 7/17/99 EDT, Agent John Goodrich wrote: >> There is also a SE Asian legend of blades made with poison as part of their >structure. > Maybe the TT blades might actually slowly sweat venom? > As for poisoned weapons, the vast majority of early copper weapons >were of this type. In the early days of weapon smithing, the easiest copper >to get and work with was copper *cyanide*. I don't know if this contributed >to the deadliness of the weapon, but it certainly explains who many legendary >smiths (Weyland and Hapheistus spring to mind) were deformed cripples... No. The earliest and easiest copper to work was native copper. In a number of locations around the world, it is possible to extract metallic copper from the earth. Several tribes, who otherwise had no metalworking techniques, were able to produce knives and other tools from native copper. Ditto for silver and gold. Copper and cyanide do not normally form salts, at least not in nature. You can form soluble copper-cyanide complexes and it would be possible to refine copper this way, but it's inefficient. And you'd need electricity. Smelting an ore rich in a copper-sulphide mineral is more effective. Copper cyanide is used for copper and brass plating, and it's possible that smiths working with brass may have used copper cyanide. Most legendary smiths were cripples because, at least in legend, they were deliberately crippled. Usually by severing one or both Achilles tendons, so that the smith could not easily run away, taking valuable metalworking secrets with them. Very much the same philosophy as using mute household servants or eunuchs in the harem. Exposure to cyanide compounds does not cripple. Repeated and/or prolonged skin contact can cause dermatitis. Aside from their acute toxicity, cyanide compounds are relatively safe to handle. Which is once reason why cyanide extraction or leaching is the preferred method of refining gold and precious metal ores, since it is much less hazardous from an occupational health and environmental viewpoint than the previous mercury amalgam process. Early weapons may have been "poisoned" because they weren't very good or clean. They didn't have good edges, and they may have had a porous or pitted surface that allowed blood or other organic debris to accumulate. The bacteria contained on a poor quality blade was far more likely to kill than a mineral poison such as a cyanide salt, which would be difficult to keep on a blade. ********************************************************************* John Petherick, CIH jpetheri@cyberbeach.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:43:42 +0400 From: yanasikt@superonline.com (Tolga Yanasik) Subject: DG: Enolsis Photo Aids I just found an image and edited it to suit Ronald Valiant from Enolsis scenario in the DG rulebook. Not a great job, but I thought some of you may want to use them. The address is; http://www.otostopcu.com/deltagreen/enolsis.html Regards, Tolga Yanasik ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:32:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Don Juneau Subject: Re: DG: Kennedys On Sun, 18 Jul 1999 LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > Kennedy connections to ocean: > > Eldest son, Joe, lost in WWII. Bomber crashed (in ocean IIRC). If so, > possible sacrifice to DOs. Nyet. Joe was (IIRC) a naval aviator, but was flying a hammered B-17 on an Aphrodite mission. (This is your basic "flying bomb" mission, where a clapped-out bomber is crammed full of explosives and a remote-control/autopilot setup; pilot [and any other crew] bail once it's up and in the right direction.) Kinda went off early. No remains... hmmm. 55-odd years later (what astronomical cycle does *that* correspond to?), John Jr.'s plane goes down... no bodies at last report. Hmm... anyone else read the FEAR OF FALLING bit in THE UNSPEAKABLE OATH #8/9, by Steve Hatherly? Don (Watch the Skies!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:49:02 -0400 From: "Randall L. Orndorff" Subject: Re: DG: Enolsis Photo Aids Since I don't really want to use that adventure, I doubt they will come in handy, but I thought that I would write and say that I really, really appreciate it when people do stuff like act out conversations in sound files, find appropriate pictures or alter them, or generally find neat ways to involve other techniques than GM description. Keep up the good work! Tolga Yanasik wrote: > > I just found an image and edited it to suit Ronald Valiant from Enolsis > scenario in the DG rulebook. Not a great job, but I thought some of you > may want to use them. > > The address is; > > http://www.otostopcu.com/deltagreen/enolsis.html > > Regards, > > Tolga Yanasik - -- - ---------------------- *Randall Orndorff * *Lightstream Internet* *rand@lightstream.net* *(888)345-0175 x180 * - ---------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 22:41:40 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Blades and Blair... John Petherick schrieb: > Exposure to cyanide compounds does not cripple. Repeated and/or prolonged > skin contact can cause dermatitis. Aside from their acute toxicity, cyanide > compounds are relatively safe to handle. Which is once reason why cyanide > extraction or leaching is the preferred method of refining gold and precious > metal ores, since it is much less hazardous from an occupational health and > environmental viewpoint than the previous mercury amalgam process. Talking of poison: Until the end of the last century there has been a tradition in Germany's agricultural regions [ especially the alps and I think even some regions of Austria and Italy ] that -when you translate it- is called something like "feeding them off": When the servants of farmers got old, small amounts of arsenic were secretely put into their food, which killed them after a couple of months. This was an illegal but accepted way to avoid having to care [ and to pay ] for your staff when they get old and useless. ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 22:41:41 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Eyes Wide Shut CobaltZero@aol.com schrieb: > Did anyone else get a creepy feeling thinking about either the King in Yellow > or Shub-Niggurath during the orgy scene, or was it just me? Good stuff. Nice > Delta Green fare, I'd imagine. > > brent. man on fire I haven't seen "Eyes Wide Shut" yet, but two comments on that: 1. "Eyes Wide Shut" will open in the German cinemas in a MUCH less cut version than in the US. Or, to be more precise: I read that while the orgy scene was electronically altered in America to get the R-rating, we will show it in the original version. BTW: Main difference between American and German [ or rather their governments' ] attitude toward movies: Americans censor nudity and bad language, Germans censor violence. 2. The circumstances of Kubrick's death could make a pretty interesting scenario: The man dies just after finishing a film which shows an orgy-scene of "King in Yellow"-relevance. The two stars of the movie are members of a "church" that has many enemies. [ BTW: If anybody should be interested in the legal debate in Germany about the question whether Scientology is a church in legal terms or not, ask me ] ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 22:41:40 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Midgard Serpent The Man in Black schrieb: > > > Thinking of Loki as an early avatar of Nyarlathotep is an obvious and not > too new > > > idea. I already used him a couple of times that way, although not in DG > but CoC > > > in the 20s and the 1890s [ and even in an AD&D campaign with mythos > influences I > > > do not dare to call crossover.. ]. > > This only works if you have Nyarlathotep picking up the mantle of Loki > after Loki joins the petty gods of Earth in the Dreamlands. Why that, Sir?!? EH ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:43:15 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Blades and Blair... In a message dated 7/19/99 12:54:36 PM EST, jpetheri@cyberbeach.net writes: << Early weapons may have been "poisoned" because they weren't very good or clean. They didn't have good edges, and they may have had a porous or pitted surface that allowed blood or other organic debris to accumulate. The bacteria contained on a poor quality blade was far more likely to kill than a mineral poison such as a cyanide salt, which would be difficult to keep on a blade. >> cyanide would have been largely beyond the capabilities of early apothecary as well. It needs a certain degree of laboratory knowledge and technique to isolate most cyanides (as I recall from chemistry organic and in -). Most poisons were refinements of herbal poisons identified from the fact that eating them was not a good idea. Certain reptile and insect venoms were also available but getting them in quantities would have been difficult. They went to some extremes though in ancient times. I'm heard of mixing honey and bee venom and applying it to blades (to add to the pain of the wound, I suppose) the same would probably have worked with snake venom if you could get the snake to cooperate. Most herbal poisons would have been no good applied "through the skin". Most ingestible poisons required HUGE doses to be mortal and (like hemlock and nightshade) were so hideously flavored they had to be hidden in food so spicy it covered up the poisonous concoction. Quick, deadly, tasteless and injectible poisons (as well as highly adherent media which will STILL be blood soluble) are more in the realm of modern chemistry, than real history ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:15:09 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Cryptography and the CIA On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Jimmie Bise, Jr. wrote: > I ran across this in the Washington Post. I figured there might be some > interest in it out there with y'all. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/july99/kryptos19.htm Okay, in the spirit of this thread, here's a few book codes we can use, the reference work is either DG or CD: Code A : (DG) Page, Column, Paragraph, Sentence, Word-Paragraph. Example: With this code the word "Davidians" would be 45,2,1,1,7. Partial words from hyphenation etc. are not counted. Word number is counted from the beginning of the Paragraph, not the sentence, column or page. Code B : (DG) Word-sentence-reverse, Paragraph-reverse, Column-reverse, Page+7. By reverse, I mean instead of left-to-right, words and columns would be counted from right-to-left, and paragraphs counted from the bottom of the page. Add seven to the page number. With this code the word "Macintosh" would be 18,2,2,193. Punctuation would have semi-colons between words or perhaps several repeating sequences (such as the number 23, or a code sequence representing that number). The exact details of cryptography could be extended into an entire career. Whole organizations are devoted to this sort of thing. Feel free to come up with your own codes, perhaps customized by cell. We could have Code Za, Code Nc, etc etc. I also suggest that if this endeavor prove to be popular, we could post a master list of codes on one of dg.com's secret pages. This "secret data" could also be the McGuffin for numerous plotlines. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:17:31 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Thanks for the idea. On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Randall L. Orndorff wrote: > Hi, I am writing this message for the sick bastard who had the idea of > some woman having, well, sex with a Dark Young. It wasnt ME! Tentacle sex is actually a fairly common theme in adult or "hentai" anime. I could send you some IMINT if you really wanted... The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:27:26 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: DG: The Blair Witch Project (no spoilers) Saw The Blair Witch Project over the weekend. Great stuff, atmospheric as all getout. I suppose I'll have to wait for the video release to double-check, but I thought I saw a Yellow Sign (as depicted in Chaosium titles) amongst the grafitti at the end. ObDG: combine the movie with the Sci-Fi Channel show about the Blair Witch and you've got a ready-made scenario. Rumors and allegations, legends. Three people traipse off into the woods with cameras and disappear. Years later, the film and videotape are found which raises more questions. What happened? Mark McFadden Eyes Wide Shut and The Blair Witch Project on the same weekend. Life is good. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:30:23 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Eyes Wide Shut In a message dated 7/19/99 3:45:12 PM EST, EHuelshoff@t-online.de writes: << [ BTW: If anybody should be interested in the legal debate in Germany about the question whether Scientology is a church in legal terms or not, ask me ] >> Actually, I do find that interesting. I once read the letter to the editor that Hubbard boasted about being able to start a "religion". I a, on the other hand, a member of a "minority" religion (a Baha'i') so the turmoils of religion and governmental clash is of interest to me. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:34:12 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Cryptography and the CIA In a message dated 99-07-19 17:16:25 EDT, you write: << Okay, in the spirit of this thread, here's a few book codes we can use, the reference work is either DG or CD: >> Remember the book that Hannibal Lecter and Francis Dollarhyde used for their correspondence? The Joy Of Cooking. Hmmmmm. I wonder if The Catcher In The Rye is a commonly used code book? Mark McFadden ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:58:02 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Cryptography and the CIA In a message dated 7/19/99 4:37:09 PM EST, LizardRoi@aol.com writes: << Hmmmmm. I wonder if The Catcher In The Rye is a commonly used code book? Mark McFadden >> Probably the best knownis "TheWorld Almanac" using a simple (page/line/word/) key with nulls to spice it up and there is no way someone who doesn't the volume and edition will ever be able to crack it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:24:12 MST From: "D.L. Serius" Subject: Re: DG: Breaking and Entering I thought I'd put in my .02$ on the B&E scene: For residences- Most home security units DO have motion sensors along with POE (Point of Entry) monitors. Depending on the system, cutting the power usually won't work (batteries, system calls to tell Alarm Co power is out etc.) Generally, standard exits are considered "acceptable" by the system- that is, if you come in through the front door, you have some time to deactivate the system with a code before it starts screaming. Entry from any other point automatically sets it off. A good alarm system is tough to beat, but as usual the human factor can undermine nearly anything. I'm making the assumption that the kind of people that DG members spy on are more competent that Joe Citizen and that many mistakes that are common won't be made. Examples of stupid mistakes that make your alarm system worthless (but make NPC's seem more 'human'): 1. You don't turn it on, because you're only going to be 'out for a minute'. 2. You don't turn it on because you're home, and OF COURSE you would wake up if someone was in your house. 3. You leave a window open to enjoy the cool breeze. (Most alarms require the exterior of the house to be secure, one window open and no alarms for you). 4. You have motion sensors, but never use them because you don't want to learn both the 'night' and 'day' codes. 5. The battery system fails (for whatever reason) and you don't bother to call the repairman because you don't want to spend the money. Etc, etc. Never underestimate the power of human laziness. Those are the mistakes that most DG targets won't make. If they're concerned with security, it will be nearly impossible to get in and out with NO traces. If you can afford to leave a trace or two, then here is a trick or two. 1. Find out the alarm company and bribe/blackmail an employee. Probably the best way to get in and out with no evidence. 2. Pull up in a van with a security company logo, tell the neighbors that there might be some noise and will that disturb anyone, and work quickly to cut the power & phone line & external klaxon if the house has one. You'll still want to work fast however. 3. Depending on the response, impersonate either the police or private security as the come to check the house. There's a lot more that can be done, but I see that I'm getting a bit long winded so 1 last point in regards to the idea of cutting through walls. Normally, WAY bad to try to hack through walls. One exception however are mobile homes /RV's /trailers. They all have thin metal walls and rarely have motion sensors. Most mobile homes also have a crawlspace underneath where you could work for a long period with plenty of privacy while you cut a hole in the floor. I'd be happy talk more at length about this, but I don't to bore anyone more than I may have already. Big D dlserius@hotmail.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:25:55 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Midgard Serpent On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: > The Man in Black schrieb: > > This only works if you have Nyarlathotep picking up the mantle of Loki > > after Loki joins the petty gods of Earth in the Dreamlands. > > > Why that, Sir?!? Cause Loki and all the other gods of Earth are/were real and although most currently exist only in the Dreamlands (re: Kadath), they all existed here on Earth at one point or another. Thus Loki was alive and well in the era of Norse mythology. Not to say that Nyarlathotep couldn't usurp Loki's position from the beginning, middle or end (that sounded a little sicker than I wanted :) Insinuating himself into a pantheon of pagan gods would be something right up Gnarly's alley, and would be an interesting concept in a fantasy game. Possession of a God, Gods driven to madness, Gods getting paranoid (not necessarily of Gnarly) as more and more of them fall, etc etc. A good drive toward the end of all things, Ragnarok/Armageddon/Apocalypse. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:39:55 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Eyes Wide Shut On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: > 1. "Eyes Wide Shut" will open in the German cinemas in a MUCH less cut > version than in the US. Or, to be more precise: I read that while the > orgy scene was electronically altered in America to get the R-rating, we > will show it in the original version. This is only permitted by Hollywood in order to boost sales for DVD, Laserdisk and video "uncut" versions. Social outcry against such nonsense is limited to the moral minority of fundamentalist freaks who seek to place blame on anyone other than themselves. > BTW: Main difference between American and German [ or rather their > governments' ] attitude toward movies: Americans censor nudity and bad > language, Germans censor violence. The MPAA (www.mpaa.org) assigns G, PG, PG-13, R, and NC-17 ratings. It is an independant body (trade association) funded by the motion picture industry. The only sex and nudity that the US Govt smacks down is that which is called obscene, a wholly subjective definition that varies from person to person, and is judged by community standards. Most US censorship is directed at Child Pornography, including those exploited 17 year old sluts in all those spam bombardment ads. > [ BTW: If anybody should be interested in the legal debate in Germany > about the question whether Scientology is a church in legal terms or > not, ask me ] How about an enemy profile or some links to actual anti-scientology stuff. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:53:11 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Eyes Wide Shut On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 ScottSaylo@aol.com wrote: > I a, on the other hand, a member of a "minority" religion (a Baha'i') so > the turmoils of religion and governmental clash is of interest to me. You forgot proper annotation of those obscure Satanic Verses Baha'i' guys: (http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk/intro2.html#history) CULT, n. A small unpopular religion. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:58:41 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Cryptography and the CIA On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 ScottSaylo@aol.com wrote: > Hmmmmm. I wonder if The Catcher In The Rye is a commonly used code book? I prefer the Torah. tCitR is purely for puppets like you. > Probably the best knownis "TheWorld Almanac" using a simple (page/line/word/) > key with nulls to spice it up and there is no way someone who doesn't the > volume and edition will ever be able to crack it. That is the point of Book Codes... Anyhow, for ease of use, you can't beat a dictionary. Page/line, and complex sequential nulls. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:03:31 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Breaking and Entering On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, D.L. Serius wrote: > 5. The battery system fails (for whatever reason) and you don't bother to > call the repairman because you don't want to spend the money. > Etc, etc. Never underestimate the power of human laziness. That is just sad. We learned how to change a nine-volt on the day of installation. > 1. Find out the alarm company and bribe/blackmail an employee. Probably the > best way to get in and out with no evidence. For "no evidence" you still have to take care of that employee, somehow... The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:59:24 -0400 (EDT) From: John Petherick Subject: Re: DG: Thanks for the idea. At 05:17 PM 7/19/99 -0400, The Man in Black wrote: >On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Randall L. Orndorff wrote: > >> Hi, I am writing this message for the sick bastard who had the idea of >> some woman having, well, sex with a Dark Young. > >It wasnt ME! Tentacle sex is actually a fairly common theme in adult or >"hentai" anime. I could send you some IMINT if you really wanted... > NO! NO! NO! Please! Please, I beg of you, no clips from "Legend of the Overfiend"! ********************************************************************* John Petherick, CIH jpetheri@cyberbeach.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 22:31:22 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Cryptography and the CIA In a message dated 99-07-19 18:59:30 EDT, you write: << > Hmmmmm. I wonder if The Catcher In The Rye is a commonly used code book? I prefer the Torah. tCitR is purely for puppets like you. >> Tsk tsk. I wasn't proposing to use The Catcher In The Rye, I was wondering if it is already in use. The presence of the book in the possessions of several assassins and conspiracy icons cries for a better explanation than the one proposed in Conspiracy Theory. Using the Torah would mean of course using an English translation, and both parties in the transaction need to be using the same translation for the pages etc. to match up. That's why the Gideon Bible is a good choice. Common, available almost anywhere (at least in the US) and generic as you can get. Why carry it in your luggage when one is waiting in your next hotel room? But if you did have one in your luggage, it's assumed that you took it from your last hotel. Hmmm. Note for tradecraft. Always steal a towel and an ashtray along with the Gideon Bible from your last room. Mark McFadden Uses Finnegan's Wake ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:39:00 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Eyes Wide Shut In a message dated 7/19/99 5:53:58 PM Central Daylight Time, mib@cyberspace.org writes: << You forgot proper annotation of those obscure Satanic Verses Baha'i' guys: >> Satanic Verses was written by a muslin, O Man in Un-Light Clothing! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:43:17 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Cryptography and the CIA In a message dated 7/19/99 9:38:44 PM Central Daylight Time, LizardRoi@aol.com writes: << Hmmm. Note for tradecraft. Always steal a towel and an ashtray along with the Gideon Bible from your last room. >> Indeed! And a fluffy bathrobe if the place is swank enough. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:45:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Womack Subject: Re: DG: Kennedys A couple more musings/observations on the Kennedys and their ties to the Mythos. Apologies if these have been posed already--I really *am* trying to do better about keeping up with list traffic... 8*} 1) Chappaquidick and the plane crash happened 30 years apart almost to the *day*. Ted's passenger: Mary Jo Kopechne, a young single woman; John John's passenger: Lauren Bessette, a young single woman. The pacts Joe made with the Deep Ones require sacrifices at 30-year intervals, obviously. 2) Jackie O and Carolyn B: you can*not* look at photographs of these women and tell me they don't have something of "the Innsmouth look" about them. JFK had Marilyn Monroe on the side because he was still all man, and could only take so much fishwife (literally). John John, carrying the DO taint himself, would of course prefer a DO spouse; he remained the country's most eligible bachelor for so long precisely because he had a hard time finding the perfect mate. If he hadn't found Carolyn, I wouldn't have been surprised if he'd ended up with Calista Flockheart (try to tell me *she* doesn't have "the Innsmouth look"). That whole Daryl Hannah thing? He saw "Splash," got confused. 3) Theory: John John and Carolyn aren't dead--their time of transformation is upon them. Taking Lauren along as a sacrifice, they're off to one of the Deep One cities off the eastern seaboard to join their kin; the downing of the plane was a deliberate cover. Chris Womack Keeper of the List oaktree@nocturne.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 01:05:29 -0400 (EDT) From: John Petherick Subject: Re: DG: Blades and Blair... At 04:43 PM 7/19/99 EDT, Agent Sayles wrote: > >cyanide would have been largely beyond the capabilities of early apothecary >as well. It needs a certain degree of laboratory knowledge and technique to >isolate most cyanides (as I recall from chemistry organic and in -). Early apothecaries may have been able to isolate cyanide compounds from peach and apricot pits. It's be unlikely that they could produce sodium or potassium cyanide, but probably some kind of thiocyanate could be made. >Most >poisons were refinements of herbal poisons identified from the fact that >eating them was not a good idea. Certain reptile and insect venoms were also >available but getting them in quantities would have been difficult. They went >to some extremes though in ancient times. I'm heard of mixing honey and bee >venom and applying it to blades (to add to the pain of the wound, I suppose) >the same would probably have worked with snake venom if you could get the >snake to cooperate. You'd need a lot of bee venom, and the only practical way of applying it to an ancient weapon would be by mashing a lot of bees on the blade. Somehow, I see this as more trouble than it would be worth. Honey, on the other hand, is just the thing to promote bacterial growth if it's diluted. Probably some real nasties, too, like Clostridium sp. so thay may have been able to promote gangrene. >Most herbal poisons would have been no good applied >"through the skin". Most arrow poisons are derived from either plants (curare) or from amphibians (arrow poison frogs). If the proper plants were around, strychnine was a possibility and this could be either "injected" or ingested. >Most ingestible poisons required HUGE doses to be mortal >and (like hemlock and nightshade) were so hideously flavored they had to be >hidden in food so spicy it covered up the poisonous concoction. Quick, >deadly, tasteless and injectible poisons (as well as highly adherent media >which will STILL be blood soluble) are more in the realm of modern >chemistry, than real history > With the right flavouring, you could disguise things like aconite and digitalis in foods. Poisonous mushrooms are (apparently) almost indistinguishable from edible ones. If you can settle for a lingering death, a contaminated blade (either blood or feces) would do the trick. If you can administer the poison for a prolonged period, heavy metal salts (arsenic, mercury, lead, etc.) will work. Particularly if you wanted the subject in a prolonged period of mental instability while you installed your own people. Gradual doses may not be noticed (a salt tastes like salt), but someone may recognize the symptoms (metallic aftertaste, abdominal pain, headaches, etc.). If you simply wanted to screw the person up, a dose of ergot in the morning gruel would work. Supposedly, one of the "classical" witch's flying potions contained ergot or a similar hallucinogen that would promote "out-of-body" experiences. Plus, ergot is an abortifacient if you needed to prevent the birth of an inconvenient heir. Timed correctly, it would probably guarantee the woman's death considering the state of obstetrics then. Contact poisons (such as that supposedly on the dress in "Elizabeth") would be more difficult to make. From a professional viewpoint - judging from the symptoms and circumstances - it was most probably a cyanide salt applied to the fabric where it would be in prolonged contact with the skin. Cyanide salts will be absorbed through unbroken skin, but require substantial and prolonged contact to be fatal. ********************************************************************* John Petherick, CIH jpetheri@cyberbeach.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 03:24:55 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: DG: Mentos In a message dated 7/15/99 2:22:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mib@cyberspace.org writes: << There's more to it than facial expressions and word-choice. >> You reminded me of a few things that some of the Coke thread raised. One was the idea that Coca-Cola had a definitive database of national/cultural tastes and preferences that influence the taste and advertising presented to each country. What fascinates me is how we process information, and even come to conclusions and develop opinions, all subconsciously. For example: Mentos commercials. What are the subtle signals that tell Americans that Mentos commercials are European? The settings are generic, the situations make no cultural references, the clothing is not indicative and I cannot remember any scenarios that utilized text. No landmarks or characteristic architecture. But there is something in the body language and acting style, particularly in the foils (the obnoxious elderly lady, the snooty doorman and such) of the pieces that tells us colonials that them's furriners prancin' about on the teevee. The only exception is the one where the smarmy businessman doesn't move his car for the girl to get hers out. He was obviously an American. How do I know this? It is perhaps the very "foreignness" that catches the (US and probably Canadian) eye. The final voice-over, with it's unplaceable accent and pronunciation of Mentos merely verifies the conclusion we've already reached. I would love to find out that Mentos are an American brand and the eerie ambiance of the commercials is a deliberate design. After all, Ha:gen Dasz is an American brand feigning import status. Until now, I have studiously avoided searching on Mentos on the Net because I rather enjoy the mystery. Is that eccentric, postmodern or pathetic? ObDG: Wait for it. It's coming. I just know it. Mark McFadden Note to self: get out more. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:47:53 -1000 From: Jay Dugger Subject: Re: DG: Conscience and Moral Compass in Lovecraftian Horror Monday, 21 July 1999 Michael Schwartz wrote: [snip] > Call Of Cthulhu uses Sanity as a means to guage a character's absolute > psychological health. As part of the mechanic, characters who lose CoC 5.5 uses Sanity to model "behavior of protagonists in M.P. Lovecraft's fiction, who more than a few times faint or go mad." Those rules list five ways events trigger insanity: Cthulhu Mythos increases, Mythos magic use, reading Mythos tomes, encountering Mythos creatures, and non-Mythos shocks (including common supernatural events). IMO, CoC uses Sanity to promote role-playing along a theme similar to HPL's fiction. If Sanity should merely "guage [sic] a character's absolute psychological health," then combat should cause Sanity losses for the psychological effects of violence and injury. Under CoC 5.5, this doesn't happen. I think pressing Sanity into service as "mental hit points" best enhacnes the game with undue complexity though. [snip] > CONSCIENCE IN THEORY AND PRACTICE: > Resolving matters of conscience work essentially in reverse of the Sanity > rules: a character must make an Idea Roll to realize the morally dubious > nature of his or her intended actions. A successful Idea Roll, much as in > the Temporary Insanity rules, means that the character is cognizant of > the gravity of the situation. A Sanity Roll is then required, although in > this case a success means the character has had a crisis of conscience > and is wracked with guilt. The game effect of this anguish is a variable > loss of Sanity, the amount being dependent on the severity of the moral > lapse. Failure means the character feels no remorse for his or her > actions, representing a sort of "depraved indifference" for morality like > that displayed by psychopathic or sociopathic individuals, and no Sanity > is lost. I think this works backwards. If PC makes Idea roll, then she understands what she did, its gravity and her guilt. With these she can (and hopefully does) feel remorse. This regret seems to me the beginning of her return to mental health. At the very least, she knows she has suffered an injury. If PC fails Idea roll, then she has no idea what she did, or doesn't understand its severity or feels no guilt. This obliviousness marks greater moral failure and therefore a greater psychological injury. IMO, _failing_ an Idea roll should place more Sanity at risk than _making_ an Idea roll. > Michael Schwartz mschwartz@mindspring.com Ann Arbor, MI USA > ==================================================================== > "I've always said you can get more with a kind word and a two-by-four > than with a kind word alone." -- Marcus Cole, Babylon 5 - -- Jay Dugger : Til Eulenspiegel Sometimes the delete key is your best friend. ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V2 #3 ******************************