From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V2 #4 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Tuesday, July 20 1999 Volume 02 : Number 004 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:08:37 +0100 From: Ward Phil Subject: DG: RE: Mentos The same thing happen here in the UK, with the same effects (furriners, etc). You can always spot an american advert beacuse of it's colours, or it's childlike simplicity (massive over-generalisation), I dont know if you guys get much in the way of intelligent ads, but the ones that make it over here are mostly of the ilk: "woman being ostracised for eating frosties in the middle of the night". You can tell it's american, they've even digitally coloured in the box to change the brand from whatever brand-name it is in the US. Now, I have to admit that Haagen Daz had me fooled, and I'd never have gussed it was from the US. They re-do there advertising over here, and despite extremely bland commericals, it implies European to me, which makes it interesting an exotic to an inhabitant of these misty isles. And the only thing I have to go on is the name. How irritating. Interesting use of Serpent People mind control and camouflage there. Perhaps they're using their cammo skills to good effect in the marketting arena. Phil PS. What exactly are Mento's? I don't think we have them here, so they probably are American. > -----Original Message----- > From: LizardRoi@aol.com [SMTP:LizardRoi@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 8:25 AM > To: deltagreen@nocturne.org > Subject: DG: Mentos > > For example: Mentos commercials. ************************************************************* This email is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient. Sony cannot accept liability for statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not made on behalf of Sony. ************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 22:12:29 -1000 From: Jay Dugger Subject: DG: French Guiana, DoD, State Dept. Monday, 19 July 1999 From "Aviation Week & Space Technology," 28 June 1999: "Uncle Sam has finally put it in writing: there are no plans to send security monitors to Kourou, French Guiana, to oversee the launch of U.S.-built commercial satellites on European Ariane boosters." The article further states Department of Defense reviewed Kourou's security and found it adequate. Neither DoD nor State Department will apply America's strict^H^H^H^H^Hupid export controls to NATO member states. State Department as of 22 March reserves the right to apply these new controls as they see fit. I think DoD's MAJESTIC controllers don't know about Ghoul/Shan activity in French Guiana. DG members or friendlies within the State Department probably know of one or the other, maybe both, and wish to keep an excuse to send investigators to the region. - -- Jay Dugger : Til Eulenspiegel Is "Pretends to have DO Taint" on the Random Sexual Perversions Table? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 22:14:32 -1000 From: Jay Dugger Subject: Re: DG: Conscience and Moral Compass in Lovecraftian Horror Jay Dugger wrote: [snip] > CoC 5.5 uses Sanity to model "behavior of protagonists in M.P. Lovecraft's > fiction, who more than a few times faint or go mad." Those rules list five ways > events trigger insanity: Cthulhu Mythos increases, Mythos magic use, reading > Mythos tomes, encountering Mythos creatures, and non-Mythos shocks (including > common supernatural events). IMO, CoC uses Sanity to promote role-playing along > a theme similar to HPL's fiction. If Sanity should merely "guage [sic] a > character's absolute psychological health," then combat should cause Sanity > losses for the psychological effects of violence and injury. Under CoC 5.5, this > doesn't happen. I think pressing Sanity into service as "mental hit points" best This line should read: "enhances the game without undue complexity." > [snip] - -- Jay Dugger : Til Eulenspiegel Is "Pretends to have DO Taint" on the Random Sexual Perversions Table? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 02:34:30 -0700 From: Scott Cleverdon Subject: DG: RE: $cientology > >> [ BTW: If anybody should be interested in the legal debate in Germany >> about the question whether Scientology is a church in legal terms or >> not, ask me ] > >How about an enemy profile or some links to actual anti-scientology stuff. You'll find it all at http://www.xenu.com This, is one-stop shopping. Knowledge is the weapon for an organization built upon exploiting ignorance. regards s. c. (reinstated Mercenary of the Occult) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:57:13 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Thanks for the idea. On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, John Petherick wrote: > NO! NO! NO! > > Please! Please, I beg of you, no clips from "Legend of the Overfiend"! > > Geez, what a wuss. You should see La Blue Girl or that Kewl Inju series from some computer game or other. I think I see the problem. You're operating on Chaosium's Basic Role Playing instead of GURPS, so you couldn't min/max your willpower to 25. Not that I would ever allow that sort of thing without 50 points of Unusual Background. The Man in Black is : a 1500 point Black Ops character. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:01:10 +0200 From: Juergen Hubert Subject: Re: DG: Eyes Wide Shut > > BTW: Main difference between American and German [ or rather their > > governments' ] attitude toward movies: Americans censor nudity and bad > > language, Germans censor violence. > > The MPAA (www.mpaa.org) assigns G, PG, PG-13, R, and NC-17 ratings. It is > an independant body (trade association) funded by the motion picture > industry. The only sex and nudity that the US Govt smacks down is that > which is called obscene, a wholly subjective definition that varies from > person to person, and is judged by community standards. Most US censorship > is directed at Child Pornography, including those exploited 17 year old > sluts in all those spam bombardment ads. > What about "voluntary self-censorship" on television, because the television networks are afraid that some lobby might throw a rucus? I mean, I read once that even "Sailor Moon" was heavily cut in the USA... - - Juergen Hubert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:11:46 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Cryptography and the CIA On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > Tsk tsk. I wasn't proposing to use The Catcher In The Rye, Oh, YEAH Rhinoboy! Then listen to this Boo Radley; "The rain fell gently on the grass." > Using the Torah would mean of course using an English translation Not if you decode the 216 digit number mentioned in Pi, along with innumerable other Kabbalah goodies. Hebrew is the best brew! Oi! > Hmmm. Note for tradecraft. Always steal a towel and an ashtray along with > the Gideon Bible from your last room. Heck, it makes good sense if you're using a loot based system like Ninjas and Superspies. Steal the silverware, lamps, TV's and other stuff too. If you use a false name, might as well profit from it. Make nights at the opera profitable. I wonder what other fundraisers DG can hold? I suppose our Special Forces members can sell Girl Scout Cookies... (and no, that's not a euphemism for mercenary action!) The Man in Black is : befriends Hasidics, the Deli food gets WAY better Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:33:13 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Eyes Wide Shut On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 ScottSaylo@aol.com wrote: > Satanic Verses was written by a muslin, O Man in Un-Light Clothing! Actually I was referring to the Baha'i' lack of doctrine in which no individual interpretation can overide other individual interpretations of the faith. That invalidates the writings of the Baha'i' faith as well as turning the Koran into so much toilet paper. Therefore, JIHAAAD~! THE HOLY WAR MUST BE DECLARED ON THE GREAT SATANIC INFIDEL AOLER~! But first I must deal with these violently rioting moderates... PS: The Satantic Verses is not only a book by Rushdie, but a reference to how each generation and/or new dynasty of Caliphs would rewrite sections of the Koran so as to purge those pesky "Satanic Verses" that had gotten in there since Gaby FedEx'd the book to Moe back in the day. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:47:00 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Mentos On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > It is perhaps the very "foreignness" that catches the (US and probably > Canadian) eye. The final voice-over, with it's unplaceable accent and > pronunciation of Mentos merely verifies the conclusion we've already reached. I think it's merely the voiceless no dialogue combined with peppy elevator music that almost resembles dubbing. When the narration comes on it's familiar and dissonant at the same time, like people in a foreign country. Or perhaps it's a European Ad Agency that got the contract. Really, Mentos are nothing to worry about. Ignore the linguistics implying mental control (Mental OS). You can trust me, I'm the good ol' MiB. I'm your pal. > Mark McFadden > Note to self: get out more. Yes, please do. Unless you're ever in Hawaii, then please stay confined in your treatment center. The Man in Black is : still your pal! (thumbs up, sincere smile) Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:19:10 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Conscience and Moral Compass in Lovecraftian Horror On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Jay "Trench" Dugger wrote: > > CONSCIENCE IN THEORY AND PRACTICE: > > Resolving matters of conscience work essentially in reverse of the Sanity > > rules: a character must make an Idea Roll to realize the morally dubious > > nature of his or her intended actions. A successful Idea Roll, much as in > > the Temporary Insanity rules, means that the character is cognizant of > > the gravity of the situation. A Sanity Roll is then required, although in > > this case a success means the character has had a crisis of conscience > > and is wracked with guilt. The game effect of this anguish is a variable > > loss of Sanity, the amount being dependent on the severity of the moral > > lapse. Failure means the character feels no remorse for his or her > > actions, representing a sort of "depraved indifference" for morality like > > that displayed by psychopathic or sociopathic individuals, and no Sanity > > is lost. > > I think this works backwards. If PC makes Idea roll, then she > understands what she did, its gravity and her guilt. With these she can > (and hopefully does) feel remorse. This regret seems to me the beginning > of her return to mental health. At the very least, she knows she has > suffered an injury. If PC fails Idea roll, then she has no idea what she > did, or doesn't understand its severity or feels no guilt. That's exactly what Mikey said. If you make the Idea roll, you must make a SAN roll. If you fail then you go on oblivious. So Mikey proposes the following system: 1) Investigator goes and does a naughty thing. 2) Make Idea roll. 2a) Idea Roll Fails: go on oblivious (no SAN loss). Like Lenny from "Of Mice and Men" DUUUH (drool). 2b) Idea Roll Succeeds: "Oops, Mybad." Go to Three. 3) Make SAN roll. 3a) SAN roll suceeds; guilt and remorse, shock and horror. Lose some SAN. 3b) SAN roll fails; "So what?" No SAN Loss. I think 3b is what you take exception to, and I agree. Number Three should be just like any other SAN roll. 1/1d3, 1d6/1d20, 1d10/10d10 etc. Failure should always result in greater SAN loss. This supports my theory that Mikey is a panty-wearing pansy-girl who sucks donkey-dick in Tijuana for pesos and perverts. I say just skip two and go directly to three when an Investigator goes and does something naughty. If they don't roleplay 3a, then hit them with 3b in addition to 3a. That's the stick. The carrot is the SAN gain the might get for being all angsty and tormented about their naughty behavior. I also suggest that they automatically lose some SAN no matter what, even if it's only a measly one point. PS: If you pull that Pallid Hound/Albino Fleabag/Bleached Puppy crap about using "she" as a generic pronoun again I may have to do something horrible to you that I learned in Miskatonic's English 101 Correspondence Course. Something involving Grammar textbooks and dangling participles. DON'T PUSH ME MAN~! I'M CLOSE TO THE EDGE~! The Man in Black is : wearing something a little more silky today. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:30:29 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: RE: Mentos On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Ward Phil wrote: > I dont know if you guys get much in the way of intelligent ads, Some might argue that there is no intelligent advertising, only effective ones. I like the funny ones. Like when the Seventies "Sabotage" Beastie Boys cops are chasing a suspect and they are confronted with three vehicles (nearly crashed) to pursue their quarry; A Blue Ferrari, a Minivan, and a Volkswagon of some generic sort. Naturally they all jump in the VW and go tearing through the city. The blue Ferrari only having two seats for three cops, and the minivan being well...a minivan. Ads for TV programs like the X-files and so forth are pretty Kewl too. > PS. What exactly are Mento's? I don't think we have them here, so they > probably are American. Mentos are a fruity hard candy that comes packed in a big roll. Not quite thick enough for people to pleasure themselves with. Quite regretable, as this would make an excellent advertisement, emergency room report, or best of all - both. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:41:50 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: French Guiana, DoD, State Dept. On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Jay Dugger wrote: > State Department as of 22 March reserves the right to apply these new > controls as they see fit. Upper Class pricks and assholes just covering their ass. > I think DoD's MAJESTIC controllers don't know about Ghoul/Shan > activity in French Guiana. DG members or friendlies within the State > Department probably know of one or the other, maybe both, and wish to > keep an excuse to send investigators to the region. Maybe the Mi-Go are warning them off of the Shan... > Is "Pretends to have DO Taint" on the Random Sexual Perversions Table? That would be "91-99 Zoophilia/Beastiality - A *true* animal lover." This sorta covers Mythos nasties in category seven. My suggestion, get a "Creature from the Black Lagoon" rubber mask, you won't have to hold open your eyelids, so your hands can be free and your identity obscured during "66-70 Rape Addiction - they're all askin' for it anyway." PS: Pretends? The Man in Black is : gonna add Tentacle Sex to that table. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:03:24 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Eyes Wide Shut Juergen Hubert schrieb: > > > BTW: Main difference between American and German [ or rather their > > > governments' ] attitude toward movies: Americans censor nudity and bad > > > language, Germans censor violence. > > > > The MPAA (www.mpaa.org) assigns G, PG, PG-13, R, and NC-17 ratings. It is > > an independant body (trade association) funded by the motion picture > > industry. The only sex and nudity that the US Govt smacks down is that > > which is called obscene, a wholly subjective definition that varies from > > person to person, and is judged by community standards. Most US censorship > > is directed at Child Pornography, including those exploited 17 year old > > sluts in all those spam bombardment ads. > > > > What about "voluntary self-censorship" on television, because the > television networks are afraid that some lobby might throw a rucus? I > mean, I read once that even "Sailor Moon" was heavily cut in the USA... > > - Juergen Hubert It should have been cut in Germany as well. It frightened me to death! ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:03:27 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Eyes Wide Shut The Man in Black schrieb: > > BTW: Main difference between American and German [ or rather their > > governments' ] attitude toward movies: Americans censor nudity and bad > > language, Germans censor violence. > > The MPAA (www.mpaa.org) assigns G, PG, PG-13, R, and NC-17 ratings. It is > an independant body (trade association) funded by the motion picture > industry. The only sex and nudity that the US Govt smacks down is that > which is called obscene, a wholly subjective definition that varies from > person to person, and is judged by community standards. Most US censorship > is directed at Child Pornography, including those exploited 17 year old > sluts in all those spam bombardment ads. Well I did not really seem to have chosen the right words [ government influence in censorship, etc. ] BUT the interesting thing is the difference in what they seem to cut, especially on TV: violence in Germany and sex and nudity in the US. ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:03:25 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Mentos LizardRoi@aol.com schrieb: > For example: Mentos commercials. > What are the subtle signals that tell Americans that Mentos commercials are > European? The settings are generic, the situations make no cultural > references, the clothing is not indicative and I cannot remember any > scenarios that utilized text. No landmarks or characteristic architecture. > But there is something in the body language and acting style, particularly > in the foils (the obnoxious elderly lady, the snooty doorman and such) of the > pieces that tells us colonials that them's furriners prancin' about on the > teevee. The only exception is the one where the smarmy businessman doesn't > move his car for the girl to get hers out. He was obviously an American. How > do I know this? > It is perhaps the very "foreignness" that catches the (US and probably > Canadian) eye. The final voice-over, with it's unplaceable accent and > pronunciation of Mentos merely verifies the conclusion we've already reached. > > I would love to find out that Mentos are an American brand and the eerie > ambiance of the commercials is a deliberate design. After all, Ha:gen Dasz is > an American brand feigning import status. > Until now, I have studiously avoided searching on Mentos on the Net because > I rather enjoy the mystery. Is that eccentric, postmodern or pathetic? Now I am utterly confused. When I first saw the Mentos commercials on German TV [ and they are the same as on American TV ] I thought them to be German spots made to look American [ because there is a certain tendency to Americanize things. Which is of course one of the painful signs that American cultural imperialism finally seems to succeed....]. When I saw the same spots on US-TV a couple of months later I felt relief and thought that they might simply be badly made American commercials. And now for the frightening detail: The reason were all my thoughts above were all the details that made You think these were European commercials.... Bizarre, ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:07:30 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Eyes Wide Shut On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Juergen Hubert wrote: > What about "voluntary self-censorship" on television, because the > television networks are afraid that some lobby might throw a rucus? I > mean, I read once that even "Sailor Moon" was heavily cut in the USA... This is not voluntary. The Federal Communications Commission imposes restrictions on all public broadcasts. This means you can only use profanity (and I suppose nudity) on military channels. I've used some radios registered by the FCC and have been led to understand that the FCC can fine you significantly if you say things the FCC doesn't want you to say. I really haven't investigated why the FCC has such a bug up it's collective ass, but I've seen Cops and Security Guards swear like sailors on the air, so enforcement is a little vague. Idiot Lobbies target specific shows (Sailor Moon?) offensive to their misguided beliefs. I know that South Park, Beavis and Butthead, and other less amusing shows broke new wind in the area of permissiveness. This trend may continue, or folks might get tired of the non-stop gross out. Not me though, my whole life is a non-stop gross out. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:15:09 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: Re: RE: Thanks for the idea. From: Shane Ivey: > Way to go, SuperDave Farnell. You've spread your mental disease again. > Next thing you know, some poor player will be screaming penile bisection to > the asylum walls and eating cockroach brains just so he can write more > convincing cockroach tales. "Nobody gets into the mind of the cockroach > like Patient X235542," they'll say. "But why does he keep ranting about Max > San Loss and Indefinite Release Dates?" Thanks, but I think that the incident Agent Orndorff described was originated by Christian Conkle. While my sick little story featured Dark Young Penile Implants (patent pending) and a jolly scene of Dark-Young-enhanced Tcho-tchos gang-buggering a young lad who had been skinned alive, there were no women having sex with DYoSN in it. I have SOME standards! I suppose I should also point out that buggering people who had been skinned alive also originated with sick minds on the list other than my own. What can I say? We must take inspiration where we find it. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:43:55 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: Re: DG: Eyes Wide Shut From: Juergen Hubert: > What about "voluntary self-censorship" on television, because the > television networks are afraid that some lobby might throw a rucus? I > mean, I read once that even "Sailor Moon" was heavily cut in the USA... Personally, I would have preferred that it had been cut entirely, but that's just because it's a crappy anime. Anyway, the US is pretty sensitive (actually, pathologically terrified) about child nudity, and in the US, anyone under 18 is a child (including people who are really just made of ink and celluloid), so that may not have been voluntary censorship. Which means Ranma 1/2 will never make it to US TV, darn it! Voluntary censorship is a big issue with the comics industry right now, too. ObDG: Program society to be terrified of all sorts of silly stuff, then release the perverted tentacles for real! More SAN loss to feed the GOO! YUM! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:34:47 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Blades and Blair... In a message dated 7/20/99 0:04:23 AM EST, jpetheri@cyberbeach.net writes: << If you can administer the poison for a prolonged period, heavy metal salts (arsenic, mercury, lead, etc.) will work. Particularly if you wanted the subject in a prolonged period of mental instability while you installed your own people. Gradual doses may not be noticed (a salt tastes like salt), but someone may recognize the symptoms (metallic aftertaste, abdominal pain, headaches, etc.). >> Are you aware of the Victorian propensity for arsenic addiction? I just read the supposed journals of Jackthe Ripper. The book's claim is unlikely though it highlights the problems of arsenic addiction - frenetic activity, cataclysmic withdrawal symptoms, self-perceived mental acuity, and extreme paranoia. How about a cult dedicated to the elder Gods using arsenic addiction as a ritual gate? These guys would be dangerous as hell! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:01:36 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Eyes Wide Shut In a message dated 7/20/99 6:34:04 AM EST, mib@cyberspace.org writes: << Actually I was referring to the Baha'i' lack of doctrine in which no individual interpretation can overide other individual interpretations of the faith. That invalidates the writings of the Baha'i' faith as well as turning the Koran into so much toilet paper. >> O Not True! Great MiBness. The Baha'i' has elaborate elected and appointed administration - just NO clergy. With the passing of the Guardian in 1957m the "Hands of the Cause" saw into existence the elected body which can provide definitive interpretations and fill in the gaps (where they might exist) and administer the religion world-wide. Individual interpreatation is vastly important, but individual interpretation can't cause schisms or override the administration, since all decisions are reached inelected bodys who do not nominate or campaign for their position. It's a fairly rational system taht has worked immensely well to propagate a religion world-wide that is new-born (1844). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:37:57 -0500 (CDT) From: MSubias@ix.netcom.com Subject: : Re: DG: Breaking and Entering I thought I'd put in my .02$ on the B&E scene: Lots of good stuff snipped. I'd be happy talk more at length about this, but I don't to bore anyone more than I may have already. Big D dlserius@hotmail.com Hey, I started the thread, and I'd love to hear more. In answer to the MIB who asked how you quietly make a hole in a house in order to enter, I have an example, then some elaborations. My wife and I bought a house several months back. A friend of ours who is a setmaker brought over a sawzal, which is a portable saw about the size of a small chain saw, but quieter. He cut off several sets of security bars for us (don't ask), and nary a neighbor showed interest. The sawzal did use a cord, but this could easily be gotton around by any intelligent technician. I believe that the sawzal might have been quiet _enough_ to not have been heard when the next door neighbors had their windows open. In addition, if the neighbors both have jobs (or one steps out to go to the market, pick up their kids, etc), the nearest person home might be fairly far away, and not too likely to be suspicious. In addition, as Big D said, you can cut up from inside a crawlspace, where noise would probably not carry much or at all outside. You might even rig a tent or a shed that could be broken down and reasssembled made with noise dampening material. Set it up right against the house, and chop, cut, or hammer away! The idea has occured to me that one might use det cord or some other precision invention of chemistry to quickly and (relatively) quietly burn a hatch into the side of at least some sorts of buildings. Anybody have some ideas on this? Marco ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:35:03 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: Cryptography and the CIA Greetings. Book codes being the flavour of the day, Mark McFadden wrote > That's why the Gideon Bible is a good choice. Common, >available almost anywhere (at least in the US) and generic as you can get. >Why carry it in your luggage when one is waiting in your next hotel room? But >if you did have one in your luggage, it's assumed that you took it from your >last hotel. This my friend, is an Americanocentric view. You won't find Gideon's copies of the Good Book in many countries out of the US of A. The book must be commonplace, cheap, small and full of words. My codebook of choice is therefore Charles Dickens - The Pickwick Papers - Penguin Paperback edition. Rationalizations: . it's a huge book - you get lots of words in lots of different locations. . it's one of the most generally available books on the planet - I've yet to find a country so disgraced you can't get Penguin books, and Pickwick is sure to be sitting on a shelf as it's used by many English courses as summer mandatory reading (same for David Copperfield). This means you won't have to worry should you need to ditch your luggage - the codebook can be replaced almost everywhere. . it's actually a good read (if you are to carry the thing around, you might as well enjoy the contents) . it's still one of the most widely read books by Dickens, so you won't rise suspicions reading it in airports or hotel lounges. Just an opinion, of course. > Hmmm. Note for tradecraft. Always steal a towel and an ashtray along with >the Gideon Bible from your last room. Counternote on tradecraft - modern hotels simply take note of the stolen goods, and bill your credit card. They also keep a record of "souvenir pickers" - so that if you paid cash, they'll be able to bill you next time. Therefore, stealing towels is bad for business - you leave a highly accessible trail. End of rants. Take care, gentlemen. Davide Mana ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:17:20 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: : Re: DG: Breaking and Entering In a message dated 7/20/99 9:41:33 AM EST, MSubias@ix.netcom.com writes: << invention of chemistry to quickly and (relatively) quietly burn a hatch into the side of at least some sorts of buildings. Anybody have some ideas on this? >> Best considerthe flammability of the construction materials! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:20:39 +0100 From: Ward Phil Subject: RE: : Re: DG: Breaking and Entering That reminds me, is Detcord possibly as quiet as those nice people who wrote Entrapment actually claim.... I mean, 5 db's for an explosion that cuts through a floor can't be right, this stuff was intended for military use, and they don't worry about noise very often... Anybody knowledgable care to comment? Phil > -----Original Message----- > From: MSubias@ix.netcom.com [SMTP:MSubias@ix.netcom.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 3:38 PM > To: Deltagreen@nocturne.org > Subject: : Re: DG: Breaking and Entering > The idea has occured to me that one might use det cord or some other > precision invention of > chemistry to quickly and (relatively) quietly burn a hatch into the side > of at least some sorts > of buildings. Anybody have some ideas on this? ************************************************************* This email is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient. Sony cannot accept liability for statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not made on behalf of Sony. ************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:42:47 -0400 From: "Jimmie Bise, Jr." Subject: DG: The Ultimate Cookbook Recipe? Well, this article was sent to me by a friend. Perhaps this is what the Mi-Go are angling us toward? http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/99/07/18/stinwenws02029.html?9 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:24:04 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: Eyes Wide Shut Greetings. SuperDave once again said what I was thinking (or the other way around) >Personally, I would have preferred that it had been cut entirely, but that's >just because it's a crappy anime. YEAH!! I hate the horrible thing! The fact that there's people running around my hometown in SailorMoon costumes (aka The Trekkie Syndrome) is just aggravating the thing. >Anyway, the US is pretty sensitive >(actually, pathologically terrified) about child nudity, and in the US, >anyone under 18 is a child (including people who are really just made of ink >and celluloid), so that may not have been voluntary censorship. Which means >Ranma 1/2 will never make it to US TV, darn it! You're not missing that much - we get it here in Italy (censored) and it's too self indulgent to be really convincing - after half an episode all you feel is irritation. Urusei Yatsura looks like a S. Kubric- A.C.Clarke collaboration in comparison. >Voluntary censorship is a big issue with the comics industry right now, too. There's a lot of voluntary censorship _everywhere_. It's like people became oversensitive and overprotective in certain areas. And I've yet to see proof that shielding kids from _everything_ is a good psychological practice. Is fear of trauma producing a generation of psychologically vulnerable individuals? Will they get maximum San loss whatever happens to them? Might be part of a conspiracy.... Davide Mana ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:06:15 EDT From: USFORREC1@aol.com Subject: DG: Kennedy campaign musings Here again is some stuff from my campaign concerning the Kennedy's. You may use, abuse and/or flame as you like :) The Kennedy's are a semi-friendly to DG group in my campaign who has a sort of unknown war against certain forces being waged by them in a mostly political arena. When the Kennedy's were involved in the good old smuggling during prohibition, they came into contact with forces that were the embryonic Fate (minus Alzis). This connection continued and returned to plague them later. When JFK became President, he was MJ and DG friendly. Unfortunately, he had ideas for MJ that MJ's Cold Warrior mentality of the time wasn't ready for. He took on the intelligence establishment (long-time breeding ground for MJ and its ops), wanted to end the heating up Vietnam Conflict (planned testing ground of MJ projects and siphon for operational monies) and end the Cold War. He planned to release information on the Greys to the Soviets in an attempt to bring about his Camelot and enlist their aid. This was unacceptable to the Generals, Admirals and Intel personnel that made up the majority of MJ's steering committee at the time. JFK was also reneging on various "promises" to organized crime at the time. The whole Cuban affair angered both the organized crime elemnets (who were losing lucrative income) and MJ (for being soft on Communism). This set up an unlikely pairing of MJ and the Fate, each working through their fronts to hide involvement to the other, towards removing Kennedy. This was the step that took MJ from a impliment of policy to a policy-making organization. RFK was assassinated because he began posing a similar threat. Ted was set-up at Chippuquaddick to derail his political aspirations a bit (a sort of pre-emptive strike). The Kennedy's have since then been jockeying through the political arena against this unseen foe (current members are unsure who this power is). Some of the ensuing tragedies were true accidents, others hidden moves by their adversaries. The Kennedy's are aware of DG to a degree, knowing that their is another group moving secretly through the government with an interest in these things. Agents have ocassionally recieved intel or aid that can be traced back to the Kennedy's. Sometimes this intel is good and sometimes it serves the family's own interests. Dealing with them is like dealing with Alzis-it's favor for favor and everything eventually has its cost. Still, sometimes that aid really helps... In a modified version of the Gemstone File conspiracy, Aristotle Onassis is an agent (though not one of its heads)of the Cult of Transcendence, moving throughout politics and organized crime, organizing his net. Gaining a degree of access to the Kennedy line was another step in furthering the goals of his masters. I really like the idea of tying the Kennedy family to the Marsh family. I think for my campaign I'll work the history like this, though. Their was a partnership that grew sour (conflicts of interests to say the least). Joe Kennedy, through his political contacts, was an unseen but important player in getting the Innsmouth raid undertaken. This took care of the potential competition and shut off anyone blabbing about it later. he became a sort of silent patron of P Division, keeping their work alive through the lean years and getting aid and concessions thrown at them for WW2. They also provided a tool that was used to further his own agendas. Just some rants...Hope you enjoyed. - -Dave K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 01:33:27 +0900 (JST) From: ft203004@fsinet.or.jp (Jay and Mikiko ) Subject: Re: DG: Blades and Blair... >> skin contact can cause dermatitis. Aside from their acute toxicity, cyanide >> compounds are relatively safe to handle. Am I the only one who finds this comment hilarious? Jay - ------------------------------------------ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." Dave Barry, _Twenty-five Things I have Learned in Fifty Years_ - ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:18:37 -0500 From: Joseph Camp Subject: Re: DG: Mentos > I would love to find out that Mentos are an American brand and the eerie >ambiance of the commercials is a deliberate design. After all, Ha:gen Dasz >is an American brand feigning import status. > Until now, I have studiously avoided searching on Mentos on the Net because >I rather enjoy the mystery. Is that eccentric, postmodern or pathetic? Being something of a media-conspiracy afficianado, I can tell you that there is a Mentos fan site on the net that discusses the commercials; search for it and you'll find it. As I recall it, the gist is that despite appearances, some or all of the commercials were produced by an American ad agency and shot in California; however, at least some of the actors were European. In particular, I believe the elderly lady in one commercial can be seen in Lars von Trier's excellent miniseries/movie THE KINGDOM. be seeing you, Alphonse ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V2 #4 ******************************