From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V2 #5 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Tuesday, July 20 1999 Volume 02 : Number 005 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:18:39 -0500 From: Joseph Camp Subject: Re: DG: Eyes Wide Shut >This is not voluntary. The Federal Communications Commission imposes >restrictions on all public broadcasts. This means you can only use >profanity (and I suppose nudity) on military channels. I've used some >radios registered by the FCC and have been led to understand that the FCC >can fine you significantly if you say things the FCC doesn't want you to >say. The FCC, however, is complaint-driven; they do not practice prior restraint. In other words, you can swear on your radio station all you like unless someone complains to the FCC. The FCC has been known to be lenient on the topic of late-night programming; a radio station that plays a song with profanity at midnight may go without punishment, while the same song at lunchtime may receive a fine. (Again, assuming a complaint occurs.) >I know that South Park, Beavis and Butthead, and other less amusing shows >broke new wind in the area of permissiveness. Those shows are on cable, and the FCC does not regulate cable content because cable channels are not carried on the public airwaves--the FCC has no more oversight of cable content than they do of private telephone conversations. The FCC does regulate the cable industry in business and technical matters to some extent, as does congress and municipal bodies, but the FCC cannot tell Comedy Central to bleep out South Park, for example. Put the same show on NBC and yes, the FCC can tell them to take out the profanity. But again, the FCC is complaint-driven. Most people complain to their local television station or, if they're ambitious, the network. For example, congress or the FCC (I forget which) require cable operators to include a public-access channel on their systems, on which any citizen can hypothetically host his own non-commercial show. Usually these are religious or nutcase shows. But in some cities, public-access programs include shows dealing with sex--including nudity and, in some cases, actual live intercourse--and the cable operator, the FCC, and the public have no recourse other than filing obscenity charges of some sort. The cable operator and the FCC cannot prohibit the program from airing without going through the courts, unless they want to be vulnerable to suits/charges in return. The cable operators do have some leeway in scheduling, and generally schedule adult public-access programs for late-night time slots. An associate in Seattle has reported the local TCI public-access channel late-night programming frequently includes nudity, ranging from homosexual pornography clips in a talk show to a live body-piercing of a woman's labia for jewelry purposes. be seeing you, Alphonse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:11:51 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Blades and Blair... Jay and Mikiko schrieb: > >> skin contact can cause dermatitis. Aside from their acute toxicity, > cyanide > >> compounds are relatively safe to handle. > > Am I the only one who finds this comment hilarious? > > Jay No, You're not. It does in fact remind me of an interview I've seen during the Kosovo Campaign. There was a big thing over here in Germany about the fact that modern ammunition used in tanks, warplanes and helicopters may contain slightly radiating uranium in its core. [ Remember, there are members of the Green Party - a cult of Shub Niggurath by the way - in our government ] One Green politician even accused the NATO and especially the US and the Brits of using "Nuclear Weapons" in the Kosovo. [ The idiot did that on breakfast TV and since I just tuned in watching my first new I nearly spit all my tea in shock and surprise. ] Now, in a following interview with a German officer from the press corps, the officer said something like that: "Well, yes, in the 30mm ammunition in the Apaches and A-10s there is some amount of uranium in the core, and yes it radiates a little bit, BUT YOU NEED TO GET LARGE AMOUNTS OF THE AMMUNITION IN YOUR BODY TO FEEL ANY NEGATIVE EFFECTS!" Oh, so true... ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:17:46 -0500 From: "Benada, Rob" Subject: RE: DG: Eyes Wide Shut From Supreme Leader: >For example, congress or the FCC (I forget which) require cable operators >to include a public-access channel on their systems, on which any citizen >can hypothetically host his own non-commercial show. Usually these are >religious or nutcase shows. But in some cities, public-access programs OBDG: "...Tonight on Public Access 4: The Sun Prairie Kids Play house presents 'The King In Yellow'... Live in 30 min.'s..." OBDG2: Large number of disappearances all unconnected except for: Blood trails on the floor and burned out TV's set to Public Access. As above but in aftermath. Must stop repeat showings. OBDG3: "...Painting with Pickman..."; "Cooking with Tim Tcho"; The Mothers' Hour; Balloon animals with Buzz. OBDG4: Bob the conspiracy kook, got his own show on public access, and he's gotten the wrong theories right. Use him as a friendly; ferret out his sources; save him before NRO Delta gets him. OBDG5: Agent J has lost it and has gone on a talk show to spill every thing about our "Organization", Thank god it only public access...in Washington D.C. Snorky > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:31:33 EDT From: Olaughing@aol.com Subject: DG: The Media Conspiracy > Being something of a media-conspiracy afficianado, I can tell you that > there is a Mentos fan site on the net that discusses the commercials; > search for it and you'll find it. As I recall it, the gist is that > despite appearances, some or all of the commercials were produced by an > American ad agency and shot in California; however, at least some of the > actors were European. In particular, I believe the elderly lady in one > commercial can be seen in Lars von Trier's excellent miniseries/movie THE > KINGDOM. Alphonse, I fucking love you--you know what THE KINGDOM is. For those of you who don't know, The Kingdom will be on the Independent Film Channel tonight (Tuesday) at 6 PM Pacific Time. I'll be taping it. John Goodrich Delta Green Friendly Telling Tales from a Parallel Universe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:33:24 -0400 From: becole@juno.com Subject: Re: : Re: DG: Breaking and Entering On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:20:39 +0100 Ward Phil writes: >That reminds me, is Detcord possibly as quiet as those nice people >who wrote Entrapment actually claim.... I mean, 5 db's for an explosion >that cuts through a floor can't be right, this stuff was intended for military >use, and they don't worry about noise very often... > >> From: MSubias@ix.netcom.com [SMTP:MSubias@ix.netcom.com] >> The idea has occured to me that one might use det cord or some >other precision invention of chemistry to quickly and (relatively) quietly burn a hatch into the >side of at least some sorts of buildings. Anybody have some ideas on this? > Det cord, or detonation cord, is basically wrapped gunpowder. It works for clearing trees (not the redwood variety, mind you) and for wiring up older explosives (TNT, Ryder truck specials, etcetera). The device I believe you are both referring to is called, IIRC, "Magnesium Tape". This stuff basically adheres to a surface in whatever shape you arrange it, then, when ignited, burns faster than extra hot curry through an elderly person's G-I tract. In essence, it is very similar to a "shaped charge". The direction of the burn is tamped by the tape's outer lining, which is somewhat fire retardant, keeping the high temperatures directed inward. As for noise, I have never seen this stuff in use (it is reserved to entry-tool status, and dammit, you know how I meant that) but if it burns like magnesium, then I imagine it would be close to the same as the Thermite Grenade Induction Ceremony used by the Armed Forces here in the U.S.. For those of you watching at home...they take a Thermite Grenade, set it on top of an old jeep's engine-block, and after ignition it basically burns its way through, leaving molten jeep engine. Of course, not a good idea to look at it, day or night, and any entry team worth their salt would be wise to effect entrance using the magnesium tape near an area with some degree of background noise (perhaps next to the air conditioner). A requeim for the drunk's nephew Bowing to Poseidon, step right in beside him, waves are good for hiding.. finally found direction, now you're dead in the water. -B ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:35:29 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Blades and Blair... In a message dated 7/20/99 1:15:05 PM EST, EHuelshoff@t-online.de writes: << officer said something like that: "Well, yes, in the 30mm ammunition in the Apaches and A-10s there is some amount of uranium in the core, and yes it radiates a little bit, BUT YOU NEED TO GET LARGE AMOUNTS OF THE AMMUNITION IN YOUR BODY TO FEEL ANY NEGATIVE EFFECTS!" >> Is it possible he was warning parents not to allow their children to ingest the penetrators? Or recycle the material for dental fillings and surgical prostheses? Not use them for food, sex toys or randomly stitching them inside your body cavities? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:35:30 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: Blades and Blair... Cheers! >>> skin contact can cause dermatitis. Aside from their acute toxicity, cyanide >>> compounds are relatively safe to handle. > >Am I the only one who finds this comment hilarious? I guess it means they don't explode, or burst into flames, or try to strangle you with a towel. The concept of "relative safety" is pretty.... relative, I guess. I'd stay clear of the stuff anyway. Take care (relatively speaking). Davide Mana ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:12:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Don Juneau Subject: Re: DG: Eyes Wide Shut On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Joseph Camp wrote: > >This is not voluntary. The Federal Communications Commission imposes > >restrictions on all public broadcasts. This means you can only use > >profanity (and I suppose nudity) on military channels. I've used some > >radios registered by the FCC and have been led to understand that the FCC > >can fine you significantly if you say things the FCC doesn't want you to > >say. > > The FCC, however, is complaint-driven; they do not practice prior > restraint. In other words, you can swear on your radio station all you > like unless someone complains to the FCC. The FCC has been known to be > lenient on the topic of late-night programming; a radio station that > plays a song with profanity at midnight may go without punishment, while > the same song at lunchtime may receive a fine. (Again, assuming a > complaint occurs.) Not simply complaint-driven; there *are* rules specifically prohibiting the Seven Dirty Words, unless they're on at a time not usually seen by children. (See NYPD BLUE, et al.) The nastier it gets, the later it goes - as long as it's after midnight, you can get away with some pretty raunchy stuff. Your other leniency is, of course, educational - the National Geographic Swimsuitless Issue comes to mind. It's not there for titillation, or to fill in some dead air, so it's more-or-less OK. (Moralistas still bitch about it, tho, but then... ) > For example, congress or the FCC (I forget which) require cable operators > to include a public-access channel on their systems, on which any citizen > can hypothetically host his own non-commercial show. Usually these are > religious or nutcase shows. But in some cities, public-access programs > include shows dealing with sex--including nudity and, in some cases, > actual live intercourse--and the cable operator, the FCC, and the public > have no recourse other than filing obscenity charges of some sort. The > cable operator and the FCC cannot prohibit the program from airing > without going through the courts, unless they want to be vulnerable to > suits/charges in return. The cable operators do have some leeway in > scheduling, and generally schedule adult public-access programs for > late-night time slots. An associate in Seattle has reported the local TCI > public-access channel late-night programming frequently includes nudity, > ranging from homosexual pornography clips in a talk show to a live > body-piercing of a woman's labia for jewelry purposes. "An associate in Seattle", eh? Tell Detwiler to get off the couch already! Anyway, this is in fact correct; as far back as the early '80s (and possibly earlier), there was a public-access show in NYC that showed nudity. (I'd have to dig into the PLAYBOY stack to find the name of the show and more details; also came up in a video magazine of the time as well.) PA channels are more famous (via network newsmagazine shows) for showing racist materials, though. ObDG: The Tcho-Tcho Cooking Hour. Sessions: The Black Man With A Horn. Esoteric Order of Dagon Devotional. Yellow Sign Productions. A "community panel" debating whether THE RELEVATIONS OF GLAAKI should be removed from the local library. Staticky, rolling and badly-tracking video of indecipherable text, unclear images, and an overdub of audio (which not only doesn't follow the video, but fades and swells, allowing bits of the original to bleed through). (Think the video pirates in THEY LIVE; the "dreams" in PRINCE OF DARKNESS; VIDEODROME; glovecleaners; every damned "realty" show from THE WAR OF THE WORLDS to THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT...) And not even the deliberately horrifying... "This Week On The Web", finding a blasphemous virtual altar to Y'Golonac; the provider nuked it after15 minutes and 300 complaints, but TWOTW videotaped the content while surfing. Call-in shows (eminently prankable, but when it's something more?). "Video Auction", with all kinds of moldy crap from the vaults.. I mean cellars. Live coverage of local sporting or community events - just the place to show the Truth to all... or to show the Power. To feed. DG: VIDEO ADDICTION - coming soon! Don ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:13:39 -0500 From: Joseph Camp Subject: Re: DG: The Media Conspiracy >Alphonse, I fucking love you--you know what THE KINGDOM is. For >those of you who don't know, The Kingdom will be on the Independent Film >Channel tonight (Tuesday) at 6 PM Pacific Time. I'll be taping it. The first installment of THE KINGDOM was a five-hour mini-series on Danish television, released theatrically in the U.S. and on video. The second installment is also another five-hour Danish mini-series. It played U.S. film festivals in 1998, but as far as I know, it has not been released theatrically or on video in this country. (Much like von Trier's latest film, THE IDIOTS.) An associate of mine saw it at the Seattle Film Festival in May of '98; it continues the story and even introduces a black-magic Masonic-ish fraternal order. Excellent stuff. A third installment is in the works, but I don't know more details than that. Von Trier is a very talented individual. His films that I've seen--THE ELEMENT OF CRIME, ZENTROPA, and BREAKING THE WAVES--are all excellent, and the first two could well serve as inspirational material for COs. In particular, ZENTROPA is set in Germany immediately after WWII and deals with the WEREWOLF group of post-Nazi patriot guerillas, albeit in a surreal fashion. For more information on his work, visit the Internet Movie Database: be seeing you, Alphonse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:23:04 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Blades and Blair... ScottSaylo@aol.com schrieb: > In a message dated 7/20/99 1:15:05 PM EST, EHuelshoff@t-online.de writes: > > << officer said something like that: > "Well, yes, in the 30mm ammunition in the Apaches and A-10s there is some > amount > of uranium in the core, and yes it radiates a little bit, BUT YOU NEED TO > GET > LARGE AMOUNTS OF THE AMMUNITION IN YOUR BODY TO FEEL ANY NEGATIVE EFFECTS!" > >> > > Is it possible he was warning parents not to allow their children to ingest > the penetrators? Or recycle the material for dental fillings and surgical > prostheses? Not use them for food, sex toys or randomly stitching them inside > your body cavities? Yeah, a soldier's life can be so boring that you NEED TO put stuff into your body cavities to get at least some entertainment. ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:30:08 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Blades and Blair... In a message dated 7/20/99 2:25:40 PM EST, EHuelshoff@t-online.de writes: << Yeah, a soldier's life can be so boring that you NEED TO put stuff into your body cavities to get at least some entertainment. >> A F****G MEN! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:58:04 +0100 From: Barry Hill Subject: Re: DG: Blades and Blair... It reminds me of a comment in a UK wargaming mag that the US has banned lead in metal models . It pointed out that this was not the most numberous way kids in the US died as the result of the effects of lead. Being shot came somewhat higher. In message , Eckhard Huelshoff writes >Jay and Mikiko schrieb: >> >> skin contact can cause dermatitis. Aside from their acute toxicity, >> cyanide >> >> compounds are relatively safe to handle. >> >> Am I the only one who finds this comment hilarious? >> >> Jay > > >No, You're not. It does in fact remind me of an interview I've seen during the >Kosovo Campaign. There was a big thing over here in Germany about the fact that >modern ammunition used in tanks, warplanes and helicopters may contain >slightly radiating uranium in its core. [ Remember, there are members of the >Green Party - a cult of Shub Niggurath by the way - in our government ] >One Green politician even accused the NATO and especially the US and the Brits >of >using "Nuclear Weapons" in the Kosovo. [ The idiot did that on breakfast TV and >since I just tuned in watching my first new I nearly spit all my tea in shock >and >surprise. ] >Now, in a following interview with a German officer from the press corps, the >officer said something like that: >"Well, yes, in the 30mm ammunition in the Apaches and A-10s there is some amount >of uranium in the core, and yes it radiates a little bit, BUT YOU NEED TO GET >LARGE AMOUNTS OF THE AMMUNITION IN YOUR BODY TO FEEL ANY NEGATIVE EFFECTS!" > >Oh, so true... > >ECKHARD > \Barry Hill. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:09:15 +0100 From: Barry Hill Subject: Re: DG: Eyes Wide Shut > Main difference between American and German [ or rather their governments' >] >attitude toward movies: Americans censor nudity and bad language, Germans censor >violence. UK censorship laws are a complete mess. There is a Bill brfore parliament at the moment which can only add to the lunacy. It proposes a list of images which will be deemed to be obscene- it incluces the obvious , fucking, masturbation, gay and lesbian acts etc, but also included french kissing [ try to prove that one] and also images illustrating acts of torture- great until you realise that the main image of christianity the crucifixion will be illegal. If this goes through we may never get to see any films such as this. I though the opening of wishmaster was quite CoC - should have Narly who granted the wishes. > \Barry Hill. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:50:10 +0100 From: Barry Hill Subject: Re: DG: Blades and Blair... In another book on weapons it reminds me of curarefrom plant extracts used by s american indians . humans it says require 2 or more shots. Ninja used the body fluids of a blow fish for the same type of effect . Every warrior in the world knew enough to smaer his blade with horse dung to ensure a fatal infection of lockjaw or any type of blood poisoning. does anyone have any reliable info on whether shuriken or shaken were used to deliver poison. In message , ScottSaylo@aol.com writes >In a message dated 7/20/99 0:04:23 AM EST, jpetheri@cyberbeach.net writes: > ><< > If you can administer the poison for a prolonged period, heavy metal salts > (arsenic, mercury, lead, etc.) will work. Particularly if you wanted the > subject in a prolonged period of mental instability while you installed your > own people. Gradual doses may not be noticed (a salt tastes like salt), but > someone may recognize the symptoms (metallic aftertaste, abdominal pain, > headaches, etc.). > >> > >Are you aware of the Victorian propensity for arsenic addiction? I just read >the supposed journals of Jackthe Ripper. The book's claim is unlikely though >it highlights the problems of arsenic addiction - frenetic activity, >cataclysmic withdrawal symptoms, self-perceived mental acuity, and extreme >paranoia. How about a cult dedicated to the elder Gods using arsenic >addiction as a ritual gate? These guys would be dangerous as hell! \Barry Hill. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:27:22 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Blades and Blair... In a message dated 7/20/99 3:13:22 PM EST, barry.hill@hali.demon.co.uk writes: << >> >> skin contact can cause dermatitis. Aside from their acute toxicity, >> cyanide >> >> compounds are relatively safe to handle. >> >> Am I the only one who finds this comment hilarious? >> >> Jay >> Yes, I do: but, I think he meant you could plunge your hands and arms into the stuff with no deleterious effect - as long as you don't LICK your hands clean! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 23:06:14 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Eyes Wide Shut Don Juneau schrieb: [snip] > Not simply complaint-driven; there *are* rules specifically prohibiting > the Seven Dirty Words, unless they're on at a time not usually seen by > children. (See NYPD BLUE, et al.) The nastier it gets, the later it goes - > as long as it's after midnight, you can get away with some pretty raunchy > stuff. > > Your other leniency is, of course, educational - the National Geographic > Swimsuitless Issue comes to mind. It's not there for titillation, or > to fill in some dead air, so it's more-or-less OK. (Moralistas still bitch > about it, tho, but then... ) [ snip] > Anyway, this is in fact correct; as far back as the early '80s (and > possibly earlier), there was a public-access show in NYC that showed > nudity. (I'd have to dig into the PLAYBOY stack to find the name of the > show and more details; also came up in a video magazine of the time as > well.) PA channels are more famous (via network newsmagazine shows) for > showing racist materials, though. [ snip ] What I find pretty remarkable about this topic is the American TV-censors' ovious obsession whith the female breast [ not that this would be an uncommon thing :-) ]. Compare that to German and many European TV systems: You can show them anytime you want: You see them in soap commercials, prime time family shows, comedy shows , the weekly shows that explain and document the many ways of having sex [and - yes - they even showed pierced labias ] and regular news magazines. And you definitely do not need to hide them behind "educational" purposes. Considering all the censorship stuff we discussed and thinking of it from a DG point of view: Why do they censor certain things and other things go uncut. I mean, why is there any problem showing boobs on TV? They seem harmless to me. May it's be some way of protecting the publice, probably it's a way to keep some fertility cult from gaining new members? Probably the idea behind not showing sex on tv is a conspiracy to "un-sex", electronically castrate the American public. On the other hand the forbidden things tend to be the most interesting... Brainstorming while watching some of the good stuff on TV, ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:04:58 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: Re: DG: Eyes Wide Shut In regard to the current thread on cencorship, has anyone remarked on the fact that iin American television and magazines the breasts of white women are obscene but black women in Africa or South America can be shown in full frontal nudity? I once remarked with my tongue firmly in cheek that this policy was at least partly responsible for the death of the taboo on racially mixed marriages since the first photographs of naked females available to the adolescants of the generation that grew up in the early '60s were in National Geographic. Phil Posehn ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 23:27:44 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Eyes Wide Shut Barry Hill schrieb: > > UK censorship laws are a complete mess. There is a Bill brfore > parliament at the moment which can only add to the lunacy. It proposes a > list of images which will be deemed to be obscene- it incluces the > obvious , fucking, masturbation, gay and lesbian acts etc, but also > included french kissing [ try to prove that one] and also images > illustrating acts of torture- great until you realise that the main > image of christianity the crucifixion will be illegal. If this goes > through we may never get to see any films such as this. At least they do try to regulate by giving examples of obscenity. As I already mentioned to the list, I've written a paper in law school called "Pornography and the Law" [ the 2nd place of the faculty's all-time-favourites just behind my paper "Legal aspects of Prostitution" ] dealing with the question just what the hell is pornography in legal terms. And since there is no such list of obscene images, this was real hard work: I had to explore dozens of examples -movies, books, magazines, records and TV shows - that had been ruled pornographic or dangerous to youths by courts. And by comparing the courts' explanation of just why the stuff was pornographic to what I saw or heard, I tried to see a general rule of why they thought that it was pornography. And I couldn't. It did not work. I consumed loads of officially pornographic stuff and did not get an official explanation of the nature of pornography. It seems to be, or rather is, a question that has to be answered individually with any new product. And some judges really do use instruments to find out the degree of an erection to decide wether it's pornography or not. ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:32:49 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Eyes Wide Shut In a message dated 7/20/99 4:30:40 PM EST, EHuelshoff@t-online.de writes: << And since there is no such list of obscene images, this was real hard work: I had to explore dozens of examples -movies, books, magazines, records and TV shows - that had been ruled pornographic or dangerous to youths by courts. And by comparing the courts' explanation of just why the stuff was pornographic to what I saw or heard, I tried to see a general rule of why they thought that it was pornography. And I couldn't. It did not work. I consumed loads of officially pornographic stuff and did not get an official explanation of the nature of pornography. It seems to be, or rather is, a question that has to be answered individually with any new product. And some judges really do use instruments to find out the degree of an erection to decide wether it's pornography or not. >> And now you have permanently croosed eyes and terminally hairy palms - God! The things we do for scholarship! (Having done much same in research for a paper in Hisotry of Journalism) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:50:42 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: DG: Book choice In a message dated 99-07-20 11:03:38 EDT, you write: >Book codes being the flavour of the day, Mark McFadden wrote >> That's why the Gideon Bible is a good choice. Common, >>available almost anywhere (at least in the US) and generic as you can get. >>Why carry it in your luggage when one is waiting in your next hotel room? >>But if you did have one in your luggage, it's assumed that you took it from your >>last hotel. >This my friend, is an Americanocentric view. >You won't find Gideon's copies of the Good Book in many countries out of >the US of A. Hey, I said "(at least in the US)". Actually, I couldn't remember if the Gideon Society was homegrown American or an import. << Counternote on tradecraft - modern hotels simply take note of the stolen goods, and bill your credit card. They also keep a record of "souvenir pickers" - so that if you paid cash, they'll be able to bill you next time. Therefore, stealing towels is bad for business - you leave a highly accessible trail. >> And that is a Eurocentric observation. In the US, they follow the Harvard Business School model. They assume everyone steals towels and raise the base price of everyone's room to cover the replacement. If you don't steal, they make a bigger profit, but the house always wins. It's the Merkin Way. Actually, light-hearted cross-Atlantic pissyfying aside, I thoroughly agree with your evaluation of the Penguin Classics. Pickwick Papers David Copperfield A Tale Of Two Cities also consider Frankenstein or Dracula, both classics and both widely available. Or Moby Dick. Everyone in the US with a degree is assumed to have read it. Most haven't. They used Cliff Notes or rented the movie. Sad but true. It's what happens when universities become trade schools with a degree program. Mark McFadden for tradecraft, buy a used Penguin Classic from a college bookstore. Dog-eared and hilighted with notes in the margins. Looks like you are finally getting around to reading your college literature. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:55:55 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: : Re: DG: Breaking and Entering In a message dated 99-07-20 11:23:48 EDT, you write: << That reminds me, is Detcord possibly as quiet as those nice people who wrote Entrapment actually claim.... I mean, 5 db's for an explosion that cuts through a floor can't be right, this stuff was intended for military use, and they don't worry about noise very often... Anybody knowledgable care to comment? Phil >> According to Joe Haldeman in his autobiographical War Years (he was a combat engineer in Vietnam), Detcord is merely a long string of C4. Mark McFadden ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:12:22 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: Re: DG: Book choice "We've replaced the Gideon Bibles in this fine hotel with...The Necronomicon. Let's see if anyone notices." [screams and whimpering cries] Phil On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:50:42 EDT LizardRoi@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 99-07-20 11:03:38 EDT, you write: > >>Book codes being the flavour of the day, Mark McFadden wrote > >>> That's why the Gideon Bible is a good choice. Common, >>>available almost anywhere (at least in the US) and generic as you >can get. >>>Why carry it in your luggage when one is waiting in your next hotel >room? >>>But if you did have one in your luggage, it's assumed that you took >it from >your >>>last hotel. > >>This my friend, is an Americanocentric view. >>You won't find Gideon's copies of the Good Book in many countries out >of >>the US of A. > > Hey, I said "(at least in the US)". Actually, I couldn't remember if >the >Gideon Society was homegrown American or an import. > ><< Counternote on tradecraft - modern hotels simply take note of the >stolen > goods, and bill your credit card. They also keep a record of >"souvenir > pickers" - so that if you paid cash, they'll be able to bill you next >time. > Therefore, stealing towels is bad for business - you leave a highly > accessible trail. >> > > And that is a Eurocentric observation. In the US, they follow the >Harvard >Business School model. They assume everyone steals towels and raise >the base >price of everyone's room to cover the replacement. If you don't steal, >they >make a bigger profit, but the house always wins. It's the Merkin Way. > > Actually, light-hearted cross-Atlantic pissyfying aside, I thoroughly >agree >with your evaluation of the Penguin Classics. > Pickwick Papers > David Copperfield > A Tale Of Two Cities > > also consider Frankenstein or Dracula, both classics and both widely >available. > Or Moby Dick. Everyone in the US with a degree is assumed to have >read it. >Most haven't. They used Cliff Notes or rented the movie. Sad but true. >It's >what happens when universities become trade schools with a degree >program. > >Mark McFadden >for tradecraft, buy a used Penguin Classic from a college bookstore. >Dog-eared and hilighted with notes in the margins. Looks like you are >finally >getting around to reading your college literature. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:11:06 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Mentos In a message dated 99-07-20 13:25:50 EDT, you write: << In particular, I believe the elderly lady in one commercial can be seen in Lars von Trier's excellent miniseries/movie THE KINGDOM. >> SO THAT'S WHERE I SAW HER BEFORE!!!!!!! Thank you Alphonse. You have reduced my cerebral itching by a hefty amount. Now I can focus on the mission. I guess that's why you get the big office, huh? Mark McFadden The California origins of the Mentos commercials is intriguing. Especially in light of Echkhard's revelations about how they appear to a European. Mentos=foreign, regardless of POV. Hmmmmmmm. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:09:24 -0400 (EDT) From: John Petherick Subject: Re: DG: Blades and Blair... At 08:11 PM 7/20/99 +0200, you wrote: >Jay and Mikiko schrieb: >> >> skin contact can cause dermatitis. Aside from their acute toxicity, >> cyanide >> >> compounds are relatively safe to handle. >> >> Am I the only one who finds this comment hilarious? >> >> Jay > Well, it was meant only partly in jest. All choices about chemical use, or any material use, are trade-offs. There is nothing that works absolutely without any potential drawbacks. Truth be told - the LD50 (acute toxicity) of sodium or potassium cyanide is approximately 6 milligrams per kilogram of body weight. This means that it is less toxic than strychnine sulphate (2.6 mg/kg). While there are some chronic health effects from exposure to cyanide compounds, they aren't as severe as those due to mercury exposure. The handling precautions are fairly simple - prevent skin contact, maintain good hygiene to prevent ingestion, and keep away from acids to prevent the formation of hydrogen cyanide. If it's in solution, maintain a pH greater than 7 and HCN formation will be minimal. Under these conditions, typical workroom HCN concentrations are significantly below 1 ppm. Even if there is exposure, there are several different antidotes available. For disposal, cyanide can be destroyed by any oxidizer. Sulphur dioxide is commonly used for this. If there's a big open (tailings) pond nearby, and it doesn't freeze too badly, then photodegadation is possible. Given a choice based upon toxicity, environmental issues, and efficiency - all North American gold mining operations have gone to cyanide leaching rather than mercury amalgam. Mercury is much more difficult to handle safely, has more severe chronic health effects and cannot be disposed of (but can be recycled). Still, I do admit to carefully washing my hands and face after I've been in a gold mill or refinery. That's partly due to the lead exposure, of course. If it's really dirty (and it very, very rarely is), I completely shower. >Now, in a following interview with a German officer from the press corps, the >officer said something like that: >"Well, yes, in the 30mm ammunition in the Apaches and A-10s there is some amount >of uranium in the core, and yes it radiates a little bit, BUT YOU NEED TO GET >LARGE AMOUNTS OF THE AMMUNITION IN YOUR BODY TO FEEL ANY NEGATIVE EFFECTS!" > >Oh, so true... > Off course - it's depleted uranium (DU) that is almost completely an alpha emitter. It's perfectly safe to handle provided you don't ingest it. Depending on the age (and batch ?) of the DU, there will be some decay products that are gamma or beta emitters. The same concern was raised post - Gulf War. While there is a small possibility of civilian exposure from handling the DU slugs that will be embedded in soil, buildings and burned-out tanks, there is a greater potential for ingestion. The DU slugs will be affected by ground water, slowly dissolving and being absorbed by crops and drinking water. Exactly what the effect on the civilian population will be has yet to be seen. ********************************************************************* John Petherick, CIH jpetheri@cyberbeach.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:20:02 -0500 (CDT) From: MSubias@ix.netcom.com Subject: DG: RE: DG Breaking and entering (oops) ...I believe that the sawzal might have been quiet _enough_ to not have been heard when the next door neighbors had their windows open. I meant to say "quiet enough not to be heard when the neighbor's windows were _closed_. Marco ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:17:25 -0400 From: Jeff Ewing Subject: Re: DG: RE: Mentos The Man in Black wrote: > Mentos are a fruity hard candy that comes packed in a big roll. Not quite > thick enough for people to pleasure themselves with. Speak for yourself, you distended old size-queen! We all know about your flings with forbidden extraterrestrial love, and can shudderingly guess that they likely stretched more than your mind, if you see what I'm implying. Some people get a distinct tingle from the ribbed feeling of the rigid column of the individual delicious fruity lozenges, so provocatively snuggled in their foil wrapper. . .or so I'm told. Jeff --may have gone over the line with this one. ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V2 #5 ******************************