From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V2 #9 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Friday, July 23 1999 Volume 02 : Number 009 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:40:59 -0700 From: Neal Kaplan Subject: DG: RE: Re: JFK jr. back in the Atlantic The local SF bay area Fox channel had a special Kennedy "sequence" this morning. It was clips of home movies of the Kennedys, often in boats, with a voiceover that went on about how the Kennedys have always felt a particular affinity for the sea, turn to the sea in times of trouble, and, ultimately, return to the sea. Especially after reading this thread, it was pretty obvious that they're either Deep Ones, or very, very closely associated with them. So (maybe I missed a thread about this), all of this is starting to suggest that the events of November 1963 (and then again in 1968) might very well have been a DG operation. It's an interesting idea that the assassination might have taken place for a *good* reason. - -Neal Kaplan > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Chapman [mailto:dchapman@myself.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 1:50 PM > To: deltagreen@nocturne.org > Subject: DG: Re: JFK jr. back in the Atlantic > > > I thought he might kidding about that quote...but there it is > on the MSNBC front page (and you know they don't lie): > > "And when we go back to the sea, > we are going back from whence we came." > -- President John F. Kennedy, 1962 > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:34:50 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Book choice In a message dated 7/22/99 2:30:57 PM EST, LizardRoi@aol.com writes: << Also that copy of the Havah Nigela those Hairy Knishes pushed on me at the airport. I'm going to pimp Moby Dick again. >> I won't chastise you with the fact that Halveh Nagela is a Hebrew folk song and dance. I won't do that because caterwauling in minor keys MUST be mythos oriented by demonstration. (Much like bagpipe music and "filking"). As for the "Big Dick" What a great book! If you don't want to know about whales why read about whaling? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:33:20 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: DMSO ScottSaylo@aol.com schrieb: > In a message dated 7/22/99 2:04:29 PM EST, djuneau@io.com writes: > > << > Abbie Hoffman was suggesting LSD & DMSO in STEAL THIS BOOK as an anti-cop > weapon for riots; it's in the bloodstream, yeah, but how long before the > brain is affected? >> > > > >From long-ago personal experience - LSD eyedrops are an almost > instantaneous RUSH. Ts, ts, ts, You naughty boy! ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:33:20 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Book choice LizardRoi@aol.com schrieb: > In a message dated 99-07-22 10:52:28 EDT, you write: > > << Perhaps, the best general all-purpose book would be Dianetics, by L. Ron > Hubbard? >> > > Oooooooooooo. Good one. > > Also that copy of the Havah Nigela those Hairy Knishes pushed on me at the > airport. > > I'm going to pimp Moby Dick again. Not only does it allow me to say Dick > again and again, but the plotline is DGish. Monomaniacal character tangles > with Leviathan and loses a limb. Dedicates his life to hunting and killing > the beast that tasks him, and in the quest becomes monstrous himself. The > cetology chapters I think of as the Tom Clancy interludes. Pre-acronym tech > fodder. > One of the greatest books of all times and there have already been made TWO adaptations [ right word? ] starring Patrick Stewart: The TV-Movie "Moby Dick" and "Star Trek - First Contact" ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:55:05 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: DG: Re: Sailor Moon (and other Anime w/ Mythos) Greetings. Chris Nichols wrote > Wicker City might be good, being >tentacle porn framed by a Delta Green-esque supernatural espionage story. There's a Hong Kong _movie_ of Wicked City that's just as good - if not better - coming from Tsui Hark's factory. An English language version is certainly available, but I do not have the data handy. >Almost certainly there are other anime/manga with Mythos/Delta Green >applications. I'm sure that the more astute members of this list can >recommend something. > >Eh, but I'm preachin' to the choir. Let's see... Anime: Absolutely the best bit of anime lovecraftiana ever has to be "Yokai Ningen Bem", an almost forgotten show from 1968 featuring the exploits of a group of critters that have "Lesser Independent Race" stamped on them. Dark, subdued and with some pretty weird twists (an episode deals with a haunted hairpiece!), sadly no trace of the show remains today, but for a pathetically skimpy page mantained by yours truly on the Mana Bros. site. Other interesting bits that might serve as inspiration... . Lupin the Third, Castle of Cagliostro - absolutely charming, features the Order of the Black Goat. And the deployment of the soviet Degtyarev anti-tank rifle as close-range holdout weapon is a gunfondler's wet dream come true. . Akira - overrated, but you get quite a bit of protomatter-related imagery. And the containment section is not half bad. . Rumik World's "Laughing Target" - offers a nicely corrupted-by-the-Mythos character and small-scale horror. . Silent Mo:bius - more Shadowrun than DG, but some bits are good. The manga is probably better than the anime. . 3x3 Eyes - tibetan weirdness galore. All of the above (except Bem and Cagliostro) have also a manga version that's worth reading. 3x3 Eyes has also an unofficial GURPS adaptation, so there. More manga I suggest: . Masamune Shirow's "Orion" - oh-so-silly but fun; gives you a few new uses for those surplus Funguys brain-in-a-box contraptions, and a different take on Celaeno. Shirow's "Appleseed" and "Ghost in the Shell" might also be inspirational, even if they do not feature horror elements. . "Mai the Psychic Girl" is an obvious choice, with its international conspiracy and MK-ULTRA-like twists; I'm not overly fond of this one, but you get ideas where you find them, so... . Hiroaki Samura's "Immortal" might be interesting too, despite the historical setting, as it features an (alien?) parasite that a few listmembers might find.... hauntingly familiar. Finally, I'd throw in anything by Sampei Shirato, too. Just because it's very very good. >just buy the Big Eyes, Small Mouth basic system and bash out the stats for >your favorite anime. I second the motion. It does not come cheap, and probably you already have half a dozen other generic systems gathering dust (I know I do), but it's lightweight and easy to explain even to Boy Scouts. And here I stop. More will come to me just as I push the "send" button. See you later. Davide "iki jibiki" Mana ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:35:25 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: DMSO Ever since I read Neal Stephenson's Zodiac I've wanted to put some putrescine to use. Putrescine, the quintessence of the smell of death and corruption. If vanilla and DMSO can make your eyes water and dominate your sense of smell and taste, a heapin' helpin' of putrescine might entail some SAN loss. Then again, it might be like pheromones for Ghouls. Mark McFadden All my agents wear English Leather, or they wear nothing at all. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:53:16 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: DG: Mysteries of the French Revolution Good Evening. My boss, one of the most notorious defense lawyers of the region, told me a secret today: He is also an amateur historian! And he specialized on a rather strange topic that might be used for a DG or CoC Scenario: The last French King Louis XVI and his infamous wife Marie Antoinette, who both died during the French Revolution, had a daughter called Marie - Therese - Charlotte who had been born in 1778. Just about the same time a girl had been born that was said to be the bastard daughter of Louis XVI and some servant [kind of a French Maid ;-) ]. And there was the rumour that Marie-Therese-Charlotte was Marie Antoinette's daughter, but not the daughter of Louis XVI. During the times of the revolution Marie-Therese-Charlotte had been imprisoned and had later been exchanged for some aristocrat POW. She then disappeared for a while. In the 1810s, when things became kind of normal again in France, some aristocrats were put back in to their place. One of them was a woman that was officially Marie-Therese-Charlotte. Around the same time an unknown lady appeared in the small German town of Hildburghausen, near the place where I live: Coburg. This woman never showed her face to the public but seemed to have tremendous amounts of money. Some people who had had some relation to the French court kind of had their doubts about the person that claimed to be Marie-Therese-Charlotte, since she wore no resemblance to the young girl they knew. On the other hand there were some people who saw that masked aristocrat Lady in Hildburghausen who said that she, although they could not see her face, the mysterious lady talked and moved like the young princess they once knew. This created the legend that the dark lady of Hildburghausen was in fact the REAL Marie-Therese-Charlotte, while the woman in France was in fact one of Louis XVI's bastard children. This is already mysterious, BUT: My boss has already been collecting material about this for about 15 years now, his collection concentrates on portraits of the young Marie-Therese-Charlotte and the woman that claimed to be her, trying to prove the facts by showing that they do not look alike. Last september he made some strange discovery: In the local newspaper, the "Coburger Tageblatt" there had been an article in which a judge of the Coburg court tried to find information about two ancient paintings that hung in his office: These paintings were two portraits of women in their thirties. The article told the known history of these paintings was the following: In 1945, when the US Army came to conquer Coburg, the old court house - -where also every important document was collected for several centuries- was destroyed by White Phosporous Artillery shells. One of the neighbours ran to the court house, trying to save as many documents as possible from the rubble and flames. He found a container that seemed extremely old. In it were these two painting of the women. When the court had been rebuilt after the war, that neighbour gave these two paintings back to the court. And from that time until 1998 the pictures had been kept in the Coburg court. When my boss saw these portraits in the papers, he was shocked: One portrait bore a frightening resemblance to the woman that claimed to be the real Marie Therese Charlotte, while the other portrait showed a woman that looked extremely like the girl in the official pictures that showed the young Marie Therese Charlotte and might therefore be the only picture of the mysterious lady of Hildburghausen that has ever been painted. My boss now has the theory that these portraits had been painted around 1810 to compare the looks of the women that might be the daughter of Marie Antoinette and he is still collecting material on that strange affair... Sorry, if this was kind of long, but what my boss told me kind of struck me because of the strange way these portraits appeared in the place where I am working. ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:03:22 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: DMSO In a message dated 7/22/99 4:39:19 PM EST, LizardRoi@aol.com writes: << Ever since I read Neal Stephenson's Zodiac I've wanted to put some putrescine to use. Putrescine, the quintessence of the smell of death and corruption. If vanilla and DMSO can make your eyes water and dominate your sense of smell and taste, a heapin' helpin' of putrescine might entail some SAN loss. Then again, it might be like pheromones for Ghouls. >> Feeding Frenzies, I would guess. But for another chemical/DMSO combo - how about butyl mercaphtine - that which gives a skunk its essence ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:11:49 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: Re: DG: Subject matter From: : > With that proviso: What matters the occasional digression? Take a valium. > Relax, put your feet up and let the conversation go where it will. If you are > being billed on your bandwidth use, be careful what lists you sign up for! > Chill out! The digressions are as good as the rest. You have some good points there, Scott. Mark and Chris have good ones, too. Personally, as one of the "old-timers" on the List, I have to say that the signal-to-noise is getting low again lately (compared with it overall during the life of the list), and we ought to tighten up a bit to maintain this as quite simply the best list by far that I've ever been on. Digressions are indeed good as they often lead to interesting places. But self-restraint is also good, as we think twice about which digressions are worth posting, and we hopefully resist "me, too!" posts and dozens of 3-line responses that add very little to the conversation. Your forward about lightbulb-changing (which was quite funny and very on-target, if not on-topic--funnier still for not being an exaggeration at all) just illustrates my point--I've (briefly) been on lists just like that, and I don't want to see the DGML become like that. As I've said before, too many lame posts drown out the good stuff. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:47:21 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: Re: DG: Jelly babies (was: Re: RE: Re: Book choice) From: : > The reference was not to hydrocephaly, but acephaly - there is no forebrain > present at all. Hydrocephaly is unfortunate but generally correctable. > Acephaly means the body functions because of the midbrain presence - sort > of a human shaped lizard mentally. Bad stuff! NO hope! Perhaps an accidental genetic virus release from the zombie factories on the Moon? Or maybe not zombies--maybe a forerunner of the new, improved Clonus Horror: grow a body without a brain, so you can harvest the organs. Nope, it's still depressing me. Maybe it's the geography. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:43:56 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: DG: Ritalin and such In a message dated 7/22/99 9:02:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, sivey@zealot.com writes: << Naturally, every family that I know in Alabama has a child on Ritalin or has been recommended to put a child on Ritalin by Child Care Professionals. We are looked at dubiously when we express reluctance to medicate our children's brains. >> And I love the way Attention Deficit Disorder has virtually overnight become a nationwide epidemic. It seems like anyone from the Guidance Counselor to the janitor can diagnose a kid and have them on meds in a week. What are the effects of Ritalin and such on brains that don't "need" it? I mean, besides producing a generation that can't work a cash register. Mark McFadden Every day, in every way, we're getting better and better. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:05:35 -0400 From: Daniel Harms Subject: Re: DG: Subject matter At 09:11 AM 7/23/99 +0900, David wrote: >You have some good points there, Scott. Mark and Chris have good ones, too. >Personally, as one of the "old-timers" on the List, I have to say that the >signal-to-noise is getting low again lately (compared with it overall during >the life of the list), and we ought to tighten up a bit to maintain this as >quite simply the best list by far that I've ever been on. I agree with David on this. I went away for two days, and returned to find 150+ DG e-mails in my box, most of which I had to delete unread. I'd hate to be a new subscriber to this list who was trying to find something that actually related to the setting. It's pretty easy to justify anything as being DG relevant. The world's a wacky place, filled with strange occurrences, big corporations, odd political figures, and the like. A lot of this stuff is interesting - I've participated in some of the digressions for that reason. However, even if someone restricted the list to posts on the fields of horror, RPGs, and paranormal occurrences, we'd have enough material to last us until Doomsday. Then again, hopefully this problem will go away when Countdown comes out... Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu "I had come frighteningly near to the capture of an old secret which ventured close to man's haunts and lurked cautiously just beyond the edge of the known. Yet in the end I had nothing." - H. P. Lovecraft and Robert H. Barlow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:22:07 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: Re: DG: DMSO I used to work with DMSO a lot when I owned a recehorse. After a long night of hard partying we used to have to get up to feed and exercise at 5AM. We used to use DMSO and B-complex to wake up. The onset was about as rapid as a sub-cutaneous injection. Phil On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:02:32 -0500 (CDT) Don Juneau writes: >On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, The Man in Black wrote: > >> On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 ScottSaylo@aol.com wrote: > >> Try liquid (and thus concentrated) >> Nerve Agents, sedatives, hallucinogenics, SPECTRUM biochemicals, >> biological weapons (?), and that experimental "turns blood to acid" >stuff >> from MAJIC/PLUTO/ARC DREAM/CORE. > >Abbie Hoffman was suggesting LSD & DMSO in STEAL THIS BOOK as an >anti-cop >weapon for riots; it's in the bloodstream, yeah, but how long before >the >brain is affected? > >Simply spraying DMSO on the skin can make bad things happen; what kind >of >chemical goodies do *you* put on or encounter every day? "Not for >internal >application", forsooth! > >Potassium is a natural chemical in the human body, but excessive >amounts >in the bloodstream can induce cardiac events... usually, the needle >puncture gives that away. > >Evil Idea: metallic sodium in microgranulated form? I'm not up on the >total working of DMSO, but I kind of doubt that would work - instant >SHC >otherwise. (You just have to hope that the DMSO doesn't cause it to >react, and that it stays isolated from the outside world. Hmmm... >teflon-packed metallic sodium filling a thin casing ala a Glaser >round?) > >Don, off to see the chemist... > > > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 05:21:50 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Re: Kennedy campaign musings On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: > And, when looking back at the Reagan era, who was his personal enemy? > Right: Col. M. Ghaddaffi. Therefore the connection seemed obvious to > me! I would prefer to make *both* Reagan and Khadaffi/Quaddafi/Quidafriffi into bad guys. Somedays it just doesn't pay for DG Agents to get out of bed. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 05:33:47 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Re: SAILOR MOON (and other anime w/ Mythos) Christopher D. Nichols challenges YOU for the title tonite!: > Bah. If you're getting your Japanese pedo-fixation kick from Sailor Moon, I > strongly recommend you switch tapes. That is just one folder among many on the hard drive. The Man in Black is : defragmenting his hard drive... Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 05:42:18 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Mysteries of the French Revolution On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: > My boss, one of the most notorious defense lawyers of the region, told me a > secret today: He is also an amateur historian! [Blah blah blah] > My boss now has the theory that these portraits had been painted around > 1810 to compare the looks of the women that might be the daughter of > Marie Antoinette and he is still collecting material on that strange > affair... You are being tested by the Priory of Zion, or perhaps a rival organization. Watch your step. Watch your back. Make no definitive statements about the Merovingian dynasty. Carry a knife or gun. Don't join the FreeMasons, or if you have, maintain a low profile "paper" membership. The Man in Black is : Illuminated Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 05:46:45 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Jelly babies (was: Re: RE: Re: Book choice) On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, David Farnell wrote: > Moon? Or maybe not zombies--maybe a forerunner of the new, improved Clonus > Horror: grow a body without a brain, so you can harvest the organs. There's always the Fetus Farms from GURPS Cyberworld. A few kidnapped white slave women who do nothing but pump out fetuses for the worst kind of scientific research. NWI never had it so good. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:07:48 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: DG: Deep One Gold : BOT 1 I hereby announce the BACK ON TOPIC Initiative. I'm not going to sit here whining about Signal 2 Noise or Draconian List Administration like some helpless simpering mewling puking AD&D player. I'm going to actually do something about it. So here's BOT1: Long ago, we talked about the source of Deep One Gold. The generally accepted theory was that they mined it out of nodules or refined it out of seawater with some sort of alien magics. This is wrong. Recent reports from underwater surveillance units have shown Deep Ones using Shoggoths to refine gold from seawater. This was a pretty ugly sight. Strangely, the shoggoth herds ignored the mineral nodules as they undulated across the seafloor. Perhaps they thought that the nodules might represent a sort of "landmine legacy" from the Elder Things. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:21:36 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: DG: Ressurection : BOT2 Hypothetically speaking, what if a budding young necromancer were to slay and ressurect a Byakhee, Mi-Go, Star Vampire, Cthonian, DYoSN etc.? Would they be able to convert them to essential saltes (perhaps the Mi-Go dissolve into other dimensions rapidly, like us MiBs)? The possibility for "Ye e'en worrse than ye liveliest awefulness" when these saltes get mixed up. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:08:57 -0400 From: Steven Kaye Subject: Re: DG: Jelly babies (was: Re: RE: Re: Book choice) At 11:47 AM -0400 7/22/99, The Man in Black wrote: > > > Something I am more sure of is the rash of babies born with no >brains in the > > towns on both sides of the Texas / Mexico border in recent years. > >The term for this is "hydrocephalic" cause the skull is filled with >water/cranial fluid. They test for this by shining a flashlight into the >back of the fetus' head, if the head and eyes light up, you've got a >winner. Actually, the term is "anencephalic" 'cause they don't have brains - well, brainstems, but not much more. I know Brownsville had some cases of this, and I believe Matamoros, of drgu-dealing and weird cult fame did as well. Steven - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Steven Kaye box_nine@ix.NOSPAM.netcom.com "Now, just let me fix this band on your head," I added, as I adjusted the electrode. -- William Hope Hodgson, "The Hog" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:00:35 -0400 From: Steven Kaye Subject: Re: DG: Ritalin and such At 11:43 PM -0400 7/22/99, LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > > What are the effects of Ritalin and such on brains that don't "need" it? I >mean, besides producing a generation that can't work a cash register. It's like speed for people that don't need it for ADD - in fact, there's apparently a big demand for it from people who've discovered that fact, Steven - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Steven Kaye box_nine@ix.NOSPAM.netcom.com "Now, just let me fix this band on your head," I added, as I adjusted the electrode. -- William Hope Hodgson, "The Hog" ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jul 99 13:24:07 +0100 From: Peter Devlin Subject: DG: Contact Drug Delivery (was DMSO) >>Abbie Hoffman was suggesting LSD & DMSO in STEAL THIS BOOK as an >>anti-cop weapon for riots; it's in the bloodstream, yeah, but how >>long before the brain is affected? >From long-ago personal experience - LSD eyedrops are an almost >instantaneous RUSH. Hmm, interesting confession from Scott :) Damn, I want a smiley face for this one! Yes, I can see the validity in enhancing the LSD rush that can be obtained by skin or mucous membrane contact. Can this DMSO stuff be used in an aerosol? The reason I ask is related to the story of an early Monster Magnet gig in New Jersey. The band apparently stashed brown acid in the venue's ventilation system just before the gig started. When things began to heat up most of the audience went with the band on a communal trip to planet FreakOut. Could a combination DMSO / LSD aerosol be used to deliver a hallucinogenic experience to say, the crowd at an open air political rally? Even if it couldn't I'm sure one of the usual agency suspects could come up with a suitable solution to that problem. I am reminded of the movie 'Looker' and the subliminally modified political broadcasts which the protagonist discovers. In a similar context you could use an aerosol hallucinogenic and sub-bass frequency sonics to scare the shite out of large crowds. More crowd-berserking than crowd-control. Hmmm.... What you really want is an aerosol-contact combination of DMSO, LSD and MDMA (that's Ecstasy for the uninitiated). Think of the potential for mass brainwashing, mass orgies (useful tool for Deep One based plots) or just mass anarchy. Cheers :-) --> :-0 Peter Devlin Bell, Book and Candle - http://www.rpg.net/ The South Side - http://??? Email - pdevlin@scotsys.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jul 99 13:43:38 +0100 From: Peter Devlin Subject: DG: Deep Ones and New Age Cults (was Spot the Mythos) Davide's posting on Alexander Key stories and Deep One cults is intriguing and spookily synchronistic. (Is that a real word?) As a child I saw the 'Witch Mountain' Disney movies in the cinema. Odd stuff. I expect they are just one of the reasons I am now involved in lists such as this. Brainwash them while they're young, that's the way to do it!! Whilst you have to admire his zeal for environmental issues Key's stories in written form did come across as a little dystopian. Even to a child. As for Deep One / New Age cults, take a look at this; http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/columns/bbcaug98.html I always figured that Cthulhu cults should have better public-faces so (plug plug) this article finishes with an example of one. Ironically it is a New Age front for a modern Deep One breeding program and Dagon / Hydra cult. My next article (due in about 6 years ago, sigh!) features a post-apocalypse situation not too dissimilar to that in 'The Incredible Tide'. Talk about synchronicity! Cheers :-) --> :-0 Peter Devlin Bell, Book and Candle - http://www.rpg.net/ The South Side - http://??? Email - pdevlin@scotsys.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:04:44 +0100 From: Ward Phil Subject: DG: RE: Contact Drug Delivery (was DMSO) Now I thought I was one of the few people who had ever seen LOOKER, wasn't that the one with the guy who played Hannibal in Manhunter? It had laser guns which froze a person for a few minutes and blanked their memory? A precursor the MiB's neuralyzer... there were special shades that blocked the relevant wavelengths out. The plot involved models being scanned and then replaced with computer generated people, because models looked good and got good audience reaction until they started to move/talk and then the response went right down. Quite similar to the UK's own Jo Guest, I suspect. Then they bumped the models off so they wouldn't spoil the reputation of the CGI's.... I'm sure the same could be achieved with MiGo/MJ-12 removing eccentric people who only communicate by phone/video:) As to aerosols, it'd probably be easier to dump the LSD first to get it on people's skins, and then dump the DMSO out to force it in. Applying the two at the same time might prove difficult, I'm not sure how well DMSO binds with other substances... Of course, you're quite likely to end up with some incidental poisonings because of the rubbish people get on their hands all the time... Individual application is probably a much less detectable afterwards. > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Devlin [SMTP:pdevlin@scotsys.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 1:24 PM > To: Delta Green List > Subject: DG: Contact Drug Delivery (was DMSO) > > I am reminded of the movie 'Looker' and the subliminally modified > political broadcasts which the protagonist discovers. In a similar context > you could use an aerosol hallucinogenic and sub-bass frequency sonics to > scare the shite out of large crowds. More crowd-berserking than > crowd-control. Hmmm.... > > What you really want is an aerosol-contact combination of DMSO, LSD and > MDMA (that's Ecstasy for the uninitiated). Think of the potential for mass > brainwashing, mass orgies (useful tool for Deep One based plots) or just > mass anarchy. > ************************************************************* This email is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient. Sony cannot accept liability for statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not made on behalf of Sony. ************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:08:52 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Contact Drug Delivery (was DMSO) In a message dated 7/23/99 7:34:25 AM EST, pdevlin@scotsys.co.uk writes: << What you really want is an aerosol-contact combination of DMSO, LSD and MDMA (that's Ecstasy for the uninitiated). Think of the potential for mass brainwashing, mass orgies (useful tool for Deep One based plots) or just mass anarchy. >> An LSD aerosol would work simply through contact with mucous membranes (breathing, swallowing, blinking etc. The trick is that LSD is a fragil chemical. water too far off the pH mark can seriously degrade it. The advantage to DMSO is that you don't HAVE to expose your mucous membranes any skin contact will do. As to the intensity of Lyergic acid diethylamide-25 IN mixture with dimethylsulfoxide (DMSO) I am not certain. XTC is probably a more robust chemical than "acid". There are other psycho-active variety of ergot deriviatives, some far less "safe" than LSD, some downright toxic. The Medieval ailment known as St. Anthony's Fire was probably from ergot-contaminated grain, lots of people died in bizarre fashion from this. (Try reading "Day of St. Anthony's Fire by the same guy that wrote the UFO book "Incident at Exeter" for an example of a n outbreak of ergot poisoning in France in the 1950's.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:12:26 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Joseph Ellis Subject: DG: ATTN. Paul Radford Hi, Sorry to annoy everyone, but I've lost Paul's email address and I'm going to lose email access after tomorrow.(When the souless government apparatchiks in white coats and mirrorshades drag me away in a strait jacket.) Message reads: Hi Paul, I'll be going to EuroGenCon again this year and if you want, I'd be happy to run another DG game, possibly a sequel to 'The Prison'. Any other attending listmembers are also welcome. Phone me on 01721 720195. Dont send email 'cos i wont be able to read it. Steve. P.S. apologies to the list for this interruption. Normal service will be resumed when we find the controller for your horizontal and vertical. Its down the back of the sofa. "In the long run we are all dead" -John Maynard Keynes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:12:23 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Subject matter In a message dated 7/22/99 11:06:21 PM EST, dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu writes: << I agree with David on this. I went away for two days, and returned to find 150+ DG e-mails in my box, most of which I had to delete unread. I'd hate to be a new subscriber to this list who was trying to find something that actually related to the setting. >> The kley is: " . . . most of which I deleted unread." A good rule of thumb if digressions are a concern to you. I use my account for business so I have way too much mail, but I look forward to my diversions as spice in the slough of despondency. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:27:21 -0500 From: "Benada, Rob" Subject: DG: RE: Resurrection : BOT2 The MIB did write: >Hypothetically speaking, what if a budding young necromancer were to slay >and resurrect a Byakhee, Mi-Go, Star Vampire, Cthonian, DYoSN etc.? I would tend to think that the non-terrain nature of the Byakhee, Mi-Go, Star Vampire, and DYoSN would prevent the Earthly version of this spell from working properly. Sense, according to available documentation, these creatures are self disposing (i.e. turn to slime), or insubstantial (flame vampire). A method of stabilization would be necessary OR you would need to work fast to convert them to essential salts. Cthonian, ghoul, great race, and possibly a Shoggoth the earthy version should work, possibly with some modifications. (The Salting process must be started while the creature is still partially alive; double expenditures of MP; POW pentiality; additional MP charge for over size bodies). I do believe that only a human necromancer would create the variations in the resurrection spell necessary to resurrect these entities: The none of the races in question are know to be looking for immortality. They either have it (Cthonians, great race, ghoul, and Mi-Go (after a fashion)) or don't need it/want it. But I think that with some digging in certain libraries we could find a process that would work. As for "liveliest awefulness": This is a result of the imperfections in the human version of the spell/process. If the Mi-Go created such a spell, at some earlier stage in their civilization (before the brain casing technique was developed), the resurrected Mi-Go would be Perfect and with out flaw. If salts were missing, it would just be smaller. If a mythos creature was processed using a modified form of the human spell I would think that Most of the time you would get a something MUCH worse than what went in (double/triple san loss, more lethal, more cunning, unreasoning, unbindable). Dreamlands/otherworld/lost Library: A massive structure full of mind books. Former experts in every field, limbs amputated, reduced to salts. Awaiting resurrection and questioning. OBDG: in numerable variations on the old "necromancer brings up what he could not put down and DG must save the day" CoC plot. OBDG2: Project DANCER receives a 50 gallon drum of bluish granular ash, and a bit of paper with a few lines of writing in phonetic spelling. DG has a few hours of Shoggoth dodging and snooping before the second NRO Delta team arrives with a tac nuke to "Clean" the facility. (The Drum was an "I Love you Too, here have a hug(shug?)" present from one of the old Marsh wizards that escaped). I, however, keep having visions of a bubble gum machine full of essential salt pellets, al la instant Martians. Snorkey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:45:07 GMT0BST From: Robert Thomas Subject: Re: DG: Financing > On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Robert Thomas wrote: > > > Ok so answer me this, is Kajander a DG researcher not conducting his > > experiments on mice but on Rhinos? > > Only so far as the linguistics are concerned. You see, Rhino is the root > for "Nose." ahh that would explain rhino-viruses that I came across a few months back and Graeme explained. Rob. J.R.E.Thomas. Science Library PC Room Adviser ext 6135 / 5128. Library & Humanities IT Technician ext 6295. Information Services Cardiff University Cardiff CF1 3XT E-Mail - ThomasR@cardiff.ac.uk ICQ# 38464199 'Memory is the only afterlife I have ever believed in. But the forgetting inside us cannot be stopped. We are programmed to betray.' Michael Ignatieff. "Scar Tissue". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:12:03 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Deep One Gold : BOT 1 In a message dated 7/23/99 5:09:01 AM EST, mib@cyberspace.org writes: << Recent reports from underwater surveillance units have shown Deep Ones using Shoggoths to refine gold from seawater. This was a pretty ugly sight. Strangely, the shoggoth herds ignored the mineral nodules as they undulated across the seafloor. Perhaps they thought that the nodules might represent a sort of "landmine legacy" from the Elder Things. >> I kind of like this, though I understand why they want to recruit NEW deep ones. (They can give the "s**t" detail to the newbies - ie: digging through shoggoth droppings for gold) The elder god landmines are an interesting touch and a breeder for a scenario when a deep sea mining facility gets one of those LAND mines, how's that for an on topic seed? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:41:11 -0400 From: BRUCE BALLON Subject: DG: Ritalin and such -Reply In reply to <> 1) Yep, I'd have to say way to many people are overdiagnosed with ADD and ADHD... than the weird thing is those who actually have it seem to be overlooked and dubebd juvenile delinquents instead (as ADHD often leads to Conduct Disorder i.e. the under 18 version of AntiSocial Personality Disorder....)... number one thing most clinicians forget is to rule out drug use.... (THC is a major way to look 'inattentive'). Chaotic homes, childhood abuse etc, can also create havoc in the formation of personality structure, and also mimics AD(H)D... also LD (learning Disorders) also get things confused... and then to top it off.. most people with ADHD have a high risk of having concurrent LD, CD, and Drug use ;)! 2) Ritalin, chemical name Methylphenidate, is a synthetic stimulant. i.e. speed, as someone else mentioned on the list. Usually lasts 4-6 hours in the system, then leaves. It speeds up the brain... the theory about ADHD currently is that the frontal areas of the brain responsible for sorting out extraneous signals (ie distractions) fires too slowly, allowing people with this condition to get upset, distracted etc when under to much stimulation... which is why 1:1 a kid with ADHD can look fine..until you add in a few more people, some music etc.. and whammo. The Ritalin speeds up the brain, and thus the frontal areas are brought up to speed... thus the kid can focus in better, and ignore distractions. However, a lot of physicians seem to overmedicate.. and thus the kid looks like a 'zombie'.... which actually is that they are so over focused, they can't attend to things such as drool sometimes.. and they stare at things until a bigger stimulus comes along. 3) Those without ADHD, Ritalin acts as minor speed. As with most stimulants, it increases adrenergic responses. But also, it therefore can (small risk) induce psychosis, looking like schizophrenia/mania. 4) For those who are interested, the major chemical side chain of Fluoxetine (Prozac) is remarkably like Methylphenidate... which is theorized where the 'energy' kick comes in for some people on that medication. Bruce ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V2 #9 ******************************