From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V2 #10 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Saturday, July 24 1999 Volume 02 : Number 010 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:10:26 +0200 From: Juergen Hubert Subject: Biological Weapons (Was: Re: DG: Mentos) > PS: I wish to assure our foriegn associates that US biological weapon > programs are purely defensive in nature. Like when those pesky Europeans won't buy American genetically engineered food... ;-) - - Juergen Hubert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:18:27 +0200 From: Juergen Hubert Subject: Re: DG: Sailor Moon & American TV > > > Ah, the infamous moral lesson on American children's television. This is > what you get when too many voters become convinced that since some kids just > aren't getting enough moral guidance and education from their parents, we > need to make sure they get their minimum daily requirements of moral > guidance and education from local government employees and Saturday morning > cartoons. A disgustingly visible proportion of parents, consequently, > breathe a sigh of relief that they don't have to spend so much time teaching > their kids now that the schools and Winnie the Pooh and Sailor Moon are on > the job. And for those kids that somehow escape the lessons of self-control > and discipline so carefully crafted into each animated episode? Well, no > normal kid would be so impaired, right? Naturally, every family that I know > in Alabama has a child on Ritalin or has been recommended to put a child on > Ritalin by Child Care Professionals. We are looked at dubiously when we > express reluctance to medicate our children's brains. > > ObDG: The Child Care Professionals certainly mean well, even if they tend > to be befuddled about just about everything, but what about the people that > made Ritalin? Excuse my ignorance, but what exactly _is_ Ritalin? - - Juergen Hubert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:29:11 +0200 From: Juergen Hubert Subject: DG: Bad Poetry > (MiB) : "...IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR NAME IS~! DON'T EVER POST POETRY > TO THE LIST AGAIN~! IT HURTS MY BRAIN, AND THAT HURTS YOU~!" It's a good thing that it wasn't modern German poetry. Some of the stuff is bad enough to fall under the Geneva Conventions. While I otherwise respect Douglas Adams, I definietly disagree with him when he claims that the worst poetry of the Universe is made by some Englishwoman... - - Juergen Hubert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:30:45 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Deep Ones and New Age Cults (was Spot the Mythos) This reminded me of the "fresh-water deep one" thread for some reason. An interesting explanation for "lake monsters" in myth is that the beast is a semi-tame shoggoth in use by the freshwater deep one cult. Occasionally it breaks control and commits some depredations, the Deep Ones have to bring it back under control and some DG investigator goes to check out the disturbance. Scenario seed and new monster-variety all in one. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:33:03 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Bad Poetry In a message dated 7/23/99 10:31:34 AM EST, snjuhube@pop.rrze.uni-erlangen.de writes: << It's a good thing that it wasn't modern German poetry. Some of the stuff is bad enough to fall under the Geneva Conventions. While I otherwise respect Douglas Adams, I definietly disagree with him when he claims that the worst poetry of the Universe is made by some Englishwoman... - Juergen Hubert >> It's hard to beat "Morgen Rot! Morgen Rot!" these days ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:42:44 +0200 From: Juergen Hubert Subject: Re: DG: Jelly babies (was: Re: RE: Re: Book choice) > > Moon? Or maybe not zombies--maybe a forerunner of the new, improved Clonus > > Horror: grow a body without a brain, so you can harvest the organs. > > There's always the Fetus Farms from GURPS Cyberworld. A few kidnapped > white slave women who do nothing but pump out fetuses for the worst kind > of scientific research. NWI never had it so good. > Actually, they are less for scientific research, but for the amazing regenerative abilities that undifferentiated stem cells have. Stem Cells are quite useful little things; in theory, you should even be able to regenerate brain cells with them... - - Juergen Hubert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:55:46 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Jelly babies (was: Re: RE: Re: Book choice) In a message dated 7/23/99 10:48:34 AM EST, snjuhube@pop.rrze.uni-erlangen.de writes: << Actually, they are less for scientific research, but for the amazing regenerative abilities that undifferentiated stem cells have. Stem Cells are quite useful little things; in theory, you should even be able to regenerate brain cells with them... >> Also treat Parkinson's and several other disorders. If you want to be physically immortal how do you de3al with brain deterioration ? A subject near and dear to MJ 12 bigwigs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:18:23 -0400 From: "Jeanne Edna Thelwell" Subject: DG: School of the Americas From About.com: * Defunding "terror school," from Human Rights Guide Kevin Reid. http://humanrights.about.com/library/weekly/blSOAW10.htm Jeanne - ------------------- "Technique without ideals is a menace. Ideals without technique are a mess." -- Karl Llewellyn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:33:17 -0500 From: Joseph Camp Subject: DG: Countdown Foreign Agency Templates Greetings: As COUNTDOWN is supposed to ship to distributors shortly, I thought it would be a good time to list the final credits for the foreign-agency templates that were used. If your name appears in the list below, you'll be contacted by Scott Glancy at Pagan Publishing (paganbiz@aol.com) next month about your deserved rewards. Please note: COUNTDOWN is shipping from the printer shortly, perhaps even today. It will go via UPS to Pagan's distributors, and from there to your local stores. As the printer is in Michigan, midwestern stores are likely to see the first copies. However, the rest of the print run is sent to Pagan in Seattle via motor freight, which is slower, and its arrival is likely to coincide with GenCon. This means that mail orders, contributors' copies, and so forth, will not be shipped out until after GenCon--meaning mid-August. You'll see COUNTDOWN in stores a couple of weeks before it can arrive in your mailbox. Be advised. Anyway, here are the finalists: Bruce Ballon w/Adam Crossingham: Franceıs DGSE Adam Crossingham: Franceıs DST, DCPJ, DCRG, and DPSD; U.K.ıs HMCE Ian Cunningham & ³Spooke²: Denmarkıs PET Bruno Di Pentima: Argentinaıs CEANA, CNI, and Federal Police Brent Dragoo: Australiaıs ASIO & SIS; Germanyıs BND; Spainıs CESID David Farnell: Japanıs SAT; South Korean ANSP, DSC & 707th Special Missions Battalion David Farnell & Jason Hersey: Japanıs PSIA Don Fougere: Canadian Gun Control, Canadaıs RCMP, CSIS, CISC, and Solicitor Generalıs Office A. Scott Glancy: Germanyıs BfV; Russianıs FAPSI, FPS, FSB, FSO, PSB, SVR, GRU, 12th GUMO, ³The System,² MVD; U.K.ıs Cabinet Intelligence Committees Florian Hanke: Switzerlandıs ND and BP Jason Hersey: Egyptıs GDSSI; with Steve Keck: Romaniaıs SRI & UM 0215 Shane Ivey: U.S. DOS and DSS Mikko Kauppinen: Finnish Suojelupoliisi Rik Kershaw Moore: Libyaıs Jamahirya el Mukhabarat; United Kingdomıs Gun Laws and JIC, CPS, CDSC, MI-5, NCIS, PRO, Special Branch, GCHQ, MAIB, 14th Int, 21 Army Int Corps, Comacchio Group, DERA, DIS, RAFAIS, RAFAS2, NID, 22 SAS, SBS David Kish: Australiaıs SAS & Federal Police; Cubaıs National Police, DGI, MRAFI; Columbiaıs FE/AFEU; El Salvadorıs Special Operations Command; Germanyıs BGS & GSG-9; Iranıs National Police & Gendarmerie, Joint Committee for Special Operations, VEVAK, Revolutionary Guards; Israelıs Mossad, Shin Bet, National Police; North Koreaıs Cabinet General Intelligence Bureau, KPA Security Command, MPS, Reconnaissance Bureau; Pakistanıs IB, ISI, Police Service; Polandıs GROM; South Africaıs Police Service; U.S. Marine Guard Battalion Anders Larsson: Swedenıs Kustjägarna & SÄPO Davide Mana: Italyıs Carabinieri and SISDE­SISMI­CESIS John Petherick: Canadaıs Joint Task Force II, CSE, and Rangers KJ Potter: Iraqıs Special Security Comittee, SSS, GID, Project 858, MI, MSS, GSS, RGFC; Jordanıs GID, Public Security Force, Special Police Force; Chinaıs MSS, MPS, PLA General Staff HQ, Xinghua Graeme Price: U.S. SBCCOM and USAMRICD Alan Smithee: Turkeyıs MIT & JITEM JRE Thomas: South Africaıs NIA & SASS Phil Ward: Interpol Mark Williamson: New Zealandıs GCSB, EAB, and SIS be seeing you, Alphonse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:43:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Don Juneau Subject: Re: DG: Jelly babies (was: Re: RE: Re: Book choice) On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, The Man in Black wrote: > On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, David Farnell wrote: > > > Moon? Or maybe not zombies--maybe a forerunner of the new, improved Clonus > > Horror: grow a body without a brain, so you can harvest the organs. > > There's always the Fetus Farms from GURPS Cyberworld. A few kidnapped > white slave women who do nothing but pump out fetuses for the worst kind > of scientific research. NWI never had it so good. Ewww, how *low-tech*. Removal of the female reproductive system is a better solution; there's less overhead to support Utereus-in-a-Jar than an entire (albeit drugged/lobotomised/???) human, allowing more resources for fiddling genetic bits. (You should also be able to accellerate the ovulation - quotas, donchaknow.) This also promotes true Plug'n'Play architecture, as swapping out or upgrading becomes a simple matter, even for untrained janitorial staff. Of course, unless you are planning implantation into some *other* female (of whatever species), you need the accompanying artificial gestation environments ("zoomwombs"); development on these should also allow acceleration in the process, which makes "becoming a team player" (by starting your own team) a realisable goal. This fun idea was lifted from FM Busby's Tregare/Kergulen series - I think the disconnected ovaries don't pop up until THE LONG VIEW, tho. Some nasty cosmetic modifications in that book as well, perfect for cultists or "mass popularity" (herd) useage. Don, "There's only one latrine in the U! E! T!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:39:43 -0700 From: Scott Cleverdon Subject: DG: Philly Ex. Great DG stuff, although I'm sure many of my learned colleagues have seen this before. I love the idea of a group of men united in their suffering and alienated against the world by the oddity of their plight. http://www.wincom.net/~softarts/PHILEXP/CM_ALLEN.TXT PS. Go see the Blair Witch project. I can't remember the last time I was actually aware of my heartrate increasing when I watched a movie... minor movie spoilers minor movie spoilers minor movie spoilers minor movie spoilers minor movie spoilers minor movie spoilers minor movie spoilers minor movie spoilers minor movie spoilers In many ways it is very true to the writings of HPL, in the sense that it is very much told in the first person, there is a descent into madness and it doesn't end particularly well. It is however, perhaps the finest LRP experience to ever be recorded on film. These guys are fucking terrified. Not a lot of acting going on. Looks like fun. I hope that they paid the poor bastards well. I'm sure they didn't. Fuckers. scott cleverdon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:43:53 +0200 (CEST) From: alex@bofh.torun.pl (Janusz A. Urbanowicz) Subject: Re: DG: Re: Book choice > From: : > > also consider Frankenstein or Dracula, both classics and both widely > > available. > > And appropriate for DG. Too bad HPL is still pretty hard to get hold of in > many places. For shorter texts, try searching the Net. For HPL, I gathered: Polaris, The Tree, The Outsider, Fungi From Yuggoth, The Statement of Randolph Carter. Don't know if its legal, but those are OUT THERE. There are also other works: I've seen Carl Sagan's Contact, Gibson's Neuromancer and Burning Chrome. There also is Project Gutenberg (try http://classics.mit.edu/) where you can find things like Sun Tzu's Art of War. And /mucho/ of technical docs as good for being a base for book cipher as anything. I thing the most spread are RFCs (the 'standards' of Internet) - - I can suppose any FTP server worth anything has a mirror of them, they are like Torah or Bible for geeks. Alex - -- * | Janusz A. "Alex" Urbanowicz, \ Home: --+~| | http://eris.phys.uni.torun.pl/~alex/ \ Work: `_|/ | \____ RSA: 512/0xAB425659 | | "Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 20:30:27 -1000 From: Jay Dugger Subject: Re: DG: DMSO Ward Phil wrote: > > Now, there is a useful tool for DG agents. > > I take it we know about it? > > If not, DMSO opens the gates of the skin (layman's chemistry lesson > coming up! Over to you for more Graeme), allowing anything on the > surface to get into your system. You have to be careful to handle > it in the lab because of all the dirt and other chemicals you've probably > got on your skin. > Certain experiments conducted by "A Friend of a Friend" make me doubt the effectiveness of DMSO as a solvent for LSD. Perhaps that compound dissolves poorly in DMSO or maybe has little effect once dissolved, but I do report what experience showed. I now defer to more competent opinion. (Yoo-hoo! Graeme!) [snip[ - -- Jay Dugger : Til Eulenspiegel Sometimes the delete key is your best friend. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 20:44:08 -1000 From: Jay Dugger Subject: Re: DG: DMSO ScottSaylo@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/22/99 4:39:19 PM EST, LizardRoi@aol.com writes: > > << Ever since I read Neal Stephenson's Zodiac I've wanted to put some > putrescine to use. Putrescine, the quintessence of the smell of death and > corruption. If vanilla and DMSO can make your eyes water and dominate your > sense of smell and taste, a heapin' helpin' of putrescine might entail some > SAN loss. > Then again, it might be like pheromones for Ghouls. >> > > Feeding Frenzies, I would guess. But for another chemical/DMSO combo - how > about butyl mercaphtine - that which gives a skunk its essence Pshaw! Try thiomercaptans--dilute aerosols smell like a cross between burning metal and brimstone. Worse, that stench lingers in the nostrils for one or two hours. - -- Jay Dugger : Til Eulenspiegel Sometimes the delete key is your best friend. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 23:48:58 -0700 From: Snake Eyes Subject: Re: DG: Ritalin and such At 08:00 AM 7/23/99 -0400, Steven Kaye wrote: >>What are the effects of Ritalin and such on brains that don't "need" it? I >>mean, besides producing a generation that can't work a cash register. > > It's like speed for people that don't need it for ADD - in fact, there's > apparently a big demand for it from people who've discovered that fact, I hear it's roughly analogous to cocaine. There's a big underground trade in Ritalin among some of the local high-schoolers. Kids sell their daily dose to a buddy, who turns around, crushes it up & snorts it out of a cheerleader's belly button. Just what I hear from the local constabulary. ~ Snake Eyes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 23:56:59 -0700 From: Snake Eyes Subject: Re: DG: RE: Contact Drug Delivery (was DMSO) At 02:04 PM 7/23/99 +0100, Phil Ward wrote: >As to aerosols, it'd probably be easier to dump the LSD first to get it >on people's skins, and then dump the DMSO out to force it in. Applying the >two at the same time might prove difficult, I'm not sure how well DMSO >binds with other substances... > >Of course, >you're quite likely to end up with some incidental poisonings because of the >rubbish people get on their hands all the time... Individual application >is probably a much less detectable afterwards. Why not just dose up the inkpad used to hand-stamp everybody at the door? ~ Snake Eyes ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:16:56 +1000 From: Rob Shankly Subject: Re: DG: Book choice G'day: It is certainly the case in Australia. I worked (briefly) in hotels a few years ago, and management practises were all based on American experience. Most of the larger hotel chans in Australia are part or totally US owned. Davide Mana wrote: (cut) > Au contraire... > I have it on good authority, that the "we'll get you sooner or later" > school of towel-billing and ash-tray revenge is practiced in Europe, Asia > and Australia, and by major hotel chains. (Cut) - -- Rob Shankly ludo@bigpond.com.au Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you frantic. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 00:42:36 -0700 From: "Madam Sunset" Subject: DG: xxx webmaster Dear xxx WebMaster, While surfing the net, I run into your site and loved it. I'm not sure about hows your traffic but Myself spending most of my energy in Traffic generation... Anyhow, I'd love to Exchange links with you on one of my sites as soon as my new Server will be up and running. I'll contact you then again, Oh, Minwhile check out this new HOT WebMasters Corner... This Domain is Rocking... http://www.84u.com/index.html?madam night@absolute.net love, Madam Sunset ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:22:52 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: Re: DG: Contact Drug Delivery (was DMSO) MDMA is meta-diHydroxy-Methamohetamine and therefore ought to hold up better to the DMSO since it is a relatively stable structure. Just to be safe though prepare it as MDMA(SO4)2. That salt is usually stable as hell if somewhat less soluable. Phil On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:08:52 EDT ScottSaylo@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 7/23/99 7:34:25 AM EST, pdevlin@scotsys.co.uk >writes: > ><< > What you really want is an aerosol-contact combination of DMSO, LSD >and >MDMA (that's Ecstasy for the uninitiated). Think of the potential for >mass >brainwashing, mass orgies (useful tool for Deep One based plots) or >just mass >anarchy. > >> > > >An LSD aerosol would work simply through contact with mucous membranes > >(breathing, swallowing, blinking etc. The trick is that LSD is a >fragil >chemical. water too far off the pH mark can seriously degrade it. The >advantage to DMSO is that you don't HAVE to expose your mucous >membranes any >skin contact will do. As to the intensity of Lyergic acid >diethylamide-25 IN >mixture with dimethylsulfoxide (DMSO) I am not certain. XTC is >probably a >more robust chemical than "acid". There are other psycho-active >variety of >ergot deriviatives, some far less "safe" than LSD, some downright >toxic. The >Medieval ailment known as St. Anthony's Fire was probably from >ergot-contaminated grain, lots of people died in bizarre fashion from >this. >(Try reading "Day of St. Anthony's Fire by the same guy that wrote the >UFO >book "Incident at Exeter" for an example of a n outbreak of ergot >poisoning >in France in the 1950's.) ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:17:32 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: Re: DG: Deep One Gold : BOT 1 Of course they ignored the nodules. They're high grade Manganese. Phil On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:07:48 -0400 (EDT) The Man in Black writes: >I hereby announce the BACK ON TOPIC Initiative. I'm not going to sit >here >whining about Signal 2 Noise or Draconian List Administration like >some >helpless simpering mewling puking AD&D player. I'm going to actually >do >something about it. So here's BOT1: > >Long ago, we talked about the source of Deep One Gold. The generally >accepted theory was that they mined it out of nodules or refined it >out of >seawater with some sort of alien magics. > >This is wrong. > >Recent reports from underwater surveillance units have shown Deep Ones >using Shoggoths to refine gold from seawater. This was a pretty ugly >sight. Strangely, the shoggoth herds ignored the mineral nodules as >they >undulated across the seafloor. Perhaps they thought that the nodules >might >represent a sort of "landmine legacy" from the Elder Things. > >The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins >Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum >Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. >http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 02:25:54 PDT From: "Stabernide -" Subject: DG: Looker >Now I thought I was one of the few people who had ever seen LOOKER, >wasn't that the one with the guy who played Hannibal in Manhunter? i recall this movie. I think the hero was Albert Finney, not Brian Cox though. Also, didn't Michael Crichton have something to do with it? All I can remember about the plot was there was lots of gratitious nudity and flashing lights (Shit! That sounds brilliant) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:47:57 +0100 From: Barry Hill Subject: Re: DG: Intra-species Shan Infestation Peter Devlin> writes > >The recent threads discussing Shan and conspiracies have sparked an idea which >I >hope hasn't been covered in earlier postings. > >Are the Shan able to infest other host species? IIRC Mr Campbell indicates in >his story that they have done so with a number of alien species, not just >humans. > >If they can parasitise any species then what is to prevent a Shan from >infesting >a Mi Go? A ghoul? A lawyer? (OK, that last one is probably a bit far fetched >even for a DG list). > >For DG purposes Mi Go infestation would allow the Shan to gather intel from the >other worldwide conspiracies. The presumption that the Shan are only interested >in one thing (getting off Earth) may be erroneous. > >Thoughts? > The shan should only be able to infest a species with one brain centre organ, so they cannot infest a mi-go [ or an octopus- which i understand has two brains side by side- if one was infested what would the other brain think of it ?] the mi-go brain type process is surely devolved throughout its' whole body . Does the brain have to be alive -can shan become the controllers of zombies. The best zombies anyway are the undead of the sea- if a body is submerged in water the flesh turns to a gray- white fatty soap substance called adipere .I have always had such zombies controlled by deep-ones for an advanced attack before the DOs come in for the final kill -undead sailors are not too uncommon. Prehaps shan could be involved working through infested DOs. And talking of things gray read on; SPOILER FOLLOWS- . . . s . p . o . i . l . e . r ..Ok . so the the shan cannot infrct the mi-go but they can infect those mi-go computers controlled by sliced human brain as they are organic and they can control the grays created by th mi-go. We know that their planet Shaggai was probably destroyed by Ghroth- the same fate the mi- go have threatened for earth - is this a common mi-go ploy, was there a major war between the mi-go and the shan, are the shan on earth to seek revenge on the mi-go for the destruction of their planet, are their two types of gray one controlled by the mi-go and one captured by the shan. We can look to three sources for help- our friends, our friend's friends, and our enemies' enemies, do the shan infact fall within the last catagory? are the shans trying to contact us to warn us , are both sides using us . neither really care about our fate so are we being used as docile cannon fodder by both sides ? My head aches -I'll just go and lie down for a while .What's that buzzing sound in my brain -people of earth i have an important message for you...... > \Barry Hill. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:17:54 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: xxx webmaster Greetings, gentlemen. >Dear xxx WebMaster, [spam snipped] Any idea about how this thing got here? Has somebody badly mistaken our gerbil talk of a few months back? I'm particularly pissed by the above as I received a _personal_ copy of the same, clearly connected to the Ice Cave - which is not an XXX site (in case you did not notice - apparently it happens) and might be kicked out of its server should it be classified as such. I'd hate to invoke the Keeper of the List on this one but, admittedly, it's pretty weird. Informations welcome. Cheers! Davide Mana DG Ice Delivery Boy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 19:10:13 +0200 From: root Subject: Re: DG: xxx webmaster On Sat, 24 Jul 1999, you wrote: > Dear xxx WebMaster, > While surfing the net, > I run into your site and loved it. > I'm not sure about hows your traffic but Myself spending most of my energy > in Traffic generation... > > Anyhow, > > I'd love to Exchange links with you on one of my sites as soon as my new > Server will be up and running. > > I'll contact you then again, > > Oh, Minwhile check out this new HOT WebMasters Corner... > This Domain is Rocking... > > http://www.84u.com/index.html?madam > > night@absolute.net > love, > Madam Sunset Am I the only that has burned its mailbox? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:38:40 EDT From: USFORREC1@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Kennedy campaign musings In a message dated 7/22/99 8:39:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mib@cyberspace.org writes: << > When JFK became President, he was MJ and DG friendly. Unfortunately, > he had ideas for MJ that MJ's Cold Warrior mentality of the time wasn't ready > for. He took on the intelligence establishment (long-time breeding ground > for MJ and its ops), wanted to end the heating up Vietnam Conflict WHAT! Kennedy essentially continued the Vietnam War and kept it at a state of low level conflict. This was to avoid nuclear escalation with the Russians and to prevent the Chinese from bringing Maoism to Southeast Asia. Thus, the US was engaged in a conflict they could not end without letting some sort of communism gain another powerbase. With Laos and Cambodia playing the Russian line, SE Asia would become a Russian buffer state in the Pacific. China could not let this action proceed unopposed. The Democratic party in the US would be intimidated as support for Domino-Theory hard right Republicans would swell and threaten the return of Mcarthyism.>> I agree that this was the proposed scenario but from what I've read, JFK wanted to break with this whole Cold War plan. He inherited a war that was already simmering but seemed determined to keep American involvement low. He had already pulled out advisors before his assassination, publicly and privately stated that Vietnam was essentially an internal conflict that would have to be won by the South themselves, and a variety of other factors that point to an ending of the Vietnam involvement (or at least keeping it very low). Kennedy also attempted to attack the intelligence structure in America, cut defense budgets (targeting certain districts that would matter for support and cutting out a lot of others...probably either inadvertently or intentionally cutting moneies to MAJIC cleared industries) and was feared by the defense-intelligence apparatus for being "soft on communism." We've always played that JFK had a different take on MJ's role, seeing it as both a PR tool and political instrument for his own agenda. Unfortunately for him, his agenda and MJ's weren't compatible and the rest is history... <> Again, quite a bit of agreement. I always figured that Nixon was sort of on the fringes of the loop in Washington, knowing enough to get him into trouble but not enough to save him. Having some low level knowledge and involvement from his VP tenure, he was initially seen as a tool of MJ when taking office. He was unaware of MJ's existence but knew of some of the intelligence/defense doings. Throughout his career, he allowed his strings to be pulled and favors to be allocated (thus allowing him to be connected to the conspiracies by researchers but not really being a major player). It was only when he started taking the initiaitves on his own that you outline above that he too crossed MJ. A lot of conspiracy researchers make connections between Watergate and the intelligence/defense establishment, suggesting that they brought down Nixon for those very reasons. Maybe the missing time on the tapes even suggests the existence/involvement of MJ (suspicious rantings from someone not in the know but too dangerous to be allowed out). MJ may have held out the carrot after the stick then: the pardon, lucrative private ventures, revisionist histories painting Nixon as a hero and so on for quiet in his "retirement." <> I don't use MJ's involvement in Vietnam as directly tied to the aliens. They would use it as a testing ground for new weapons systems and projects, money "laundering" for their group, cleaning out "undesirable" elements through the draft, social engineering projects at home (under cover if attacking the "communist-inspired" anti-war movements), a carrot for the various members of industry, the military and intelligence structure who had their own interests in the war, and the aforementioned Cold War mentality that influenced MJ at the time. This might explain the micromanagement of the war and why the goals continually changed and were never that clear. The war became too profitable to end. DG would have a much more direct involvement. I would also front the theory that DG was oppossed to the war and would have prefered a different arangement (another DG/MJ policy split?). The MJ direction of the war would have been oppossed if only on principle alone. DG probably made contacts with Ho Chi Mihn through the OSS in WW2 (maybe Camp himself). HCM was considered an ally and considered us the same during this time. He had a relatively efficient government system that could have proved more useful than the corrupt (and probably mythos-tainted) government of S Vietnam. HCM might even have had knowledge of anti-mythos ops from these days and was carrying them over to a degree (DG tells of the NVA destroying an important TT shrine-maybe it was part of a whole war being waged against them). DG might even have been making quiet deals with the enemy against the bigger enemy. <> Again, total agreement. See above :) > In a modified version of the Gemstone File conspiracy, Aristotle > Onassis is an agent (though not one of its heads)of the Cult of > Transcendence, moving throughout politics and organized crime, organizing his > net. Gaining a degree of access to the Kennedy line was another step in > furthering the goals of his masters. Not too familiar with GEMSTONE (I'll rectify that shortly). He was the world's richest man at one point. That sounds like leadership material to me. His worldwide shipping business seemed to put him in perfect position to be a major conduit between our Fishy Friends and the Swedish Meatballs. He's also technically a Greek sailor which is about as queer as you can get, you can bet that Jon-Jon was the receipient of many a fudge-packing during his glorious youth. >> GEMSTONE in a nutshell has Onassis moving through the political scene of America from 1932 on, weaving a vast conspiracy. He supposedly is in control of the Mafia (though a form of super-villian style Mafia) and he had control of most of the major American political players through one way or another. I've used this as a mix of fact and legend that has leaked from the actions of the COT. Onassis was a high level agent, doing much of the "leg work" of the group. he acted as a buffer between the masses and the COT, who expected such meetings and behavior from a powerful figure. Whatever conspiracy theories erupted would also end with Onassis and not the real masters behind him. OBDG: I'm developing for my campaign the concept that in Vietnam, SOG (Studies and Observations Group) was the main tool of DG. The group pulled together intelligence and spec op personnel from around the country, concentrated them under an umbrella organization and allowed them to undertake Top Secret missions with little outside oversight into all areas of SE Asia. Add in some of the legends of the time, mysterious occurances recorded by the group and the fact that many teams disappeared without a trace and you have a DG controlled group for use during Vietnam ops (not that I discount their influence in other operations, either, just that SOG would be more of a direct use tool than hybrid op). - -Dave K ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:57:21 EDT From: USFORREC1@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Kennedy campaign musings In a message dated 7/22/99 8:40:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mib@cyberspace.org writes: << > I really like the idea of tying the Kennedy family to the Marsh > family. Naw, too much mythos in the history is just destroys suspension of disbelief. Joe Sr. would almost *have* to be a competitor of the Innsmouth smugglers though. Smuggling and other Criminal organizations really don't work together well. Look at all the drug-related shootings, all between rival gangs. >> I think that if the connection was used in moderation that suspension of disbelief would remain intact. The Kennedy's and marshes wouldn't be related or anything like that in my campaign. Just business partners for awhile to add another skeleton in the closet to the kennedy family (and as a red herring for my PCs). The connection would have been broken when both the questionable practices of the Marsh family came to light and as the Kennedy family's business venture grew. Having the kennedy's as secret patrons of DG in the formative years adds another red herring and skeleton in the closet for DG (and those paranoid PCs). Was DG formed to attack rival organized crime groups? Does DG have a bit of the taint from those days? As a Keeper, no. As my PCs, well, they will be wondering... - -Dave K ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:39:29 -0400 From: Bill Steinen Subject: Re: DG: xxx webmaster At 12:42 AM 7/24/99 -0700, you wrote: >Dear xxx WebMaster, Spam; how annoying. These guys don't know what they've gotten into - this looks like a job for the MiB. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:11:41 PDT From: "Aaron Litz" Subject: Re: DG: Ritalin and such Well, I can tell you as someone who had and has ADD (or ADHD) that ritalin pretty much doesn't work period. From what I remember of taking it, well: nothing, because I can't remember anything through the haze. It just didn't work. And now from my psychology classes I find out that it is just really bad for anyone. Well, now I'm just on prozac. Milk and Cookies Aaron M. Litz " Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? " _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:31:52 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: Re: DG: xxx webmaster Simply send her altsex.cthulhu Phil On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:39:29 -0400 Bill Steinen writes: >At 12:42 AM 7/24/99 -0700, you wrote: >>Dear xxx WebMaster, > >Spam; how annoying. These guys don't know what they've gotten into - >this >looks like a job for the MiB. > >Bill > > > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:56:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Womack Subject: Re: DG: xxx webmaster I've seen it, and I'm not happy. Discussions have commenced with the site owner re: spam filters and the like. Meanwhile, I'm sure this is simply a (semi-)automated message sent out by disreputable parties who troll the web looking for *any* website mailto's that they can spam. I highly doubt that we are the only ones singled out for this particular honor. My best advice: ignore it. Don't reply to it yourself off-list; don't acknowledge it on-list. Chris Womack Keeper of the List oaktree@nocturne.org ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V2 #10 *******************************