From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V2 #11 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Sunday, July 25 1999 Volume 02 : Number 011 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 22:33:09 +0200 From: PM Subject: Re: DG: Looker >>Now I thought I was one of the few people who had ever seen LOOKER, >>wasn't that the one with the guy who played Hannibal in Manhunter? >i recall this movie. I think the hero was Albert Finney, not Brian Cox Albert Finney, that's right. >though. Also, didn't Michael Crichton have something to do with it? He was director. >All I can remember about the plot was there was lots of gratitious nudity >and flashing lights Guy invents machine with ability to digitalize people and recreate their picture for whatever movie the bad guy want to insert them in. Add a "time-lapse" inducing ray-gun and a few pretty girls (including Susan Dey from L.A.LAw) ============================================= Patrice Mermoud (Paris - France) mermoud@easynet.fr mermoud@multimania.com ============================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 18:43:29 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: DG: The Looker gun In a message dated 7/24/99 1:31:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mermoud@easynet.fr writes: << Guy invents machine with ability to digitalize people and recreate their picture for whatever movie the bad guy want to insert them in. Add a "time-lapse" inducing ray-gun and a few pretty girls (including Susan Dey from L.A.LAw) >> The concept of the "time-lapse" gun was supposedly based on existing equipment. The concept is to trigger a petite mal seizure in a localized area. Not randomized, imprecise, damaged signals such as those resulting from damage or electroshock; but a kind of short-lived virus delivered as light. The precise wavelength of visible light is strobe flashed at high intensity in patterned pulses. The signal fires along the optic nerves to the visual centers of the brain where the pulses radiate out in ripples of fired synapses trying to interpret\absorb the signal. The metaphor used was comparing the effect of soldiers marching in step crossing a bridge to the bearable load of normal random footsteps. Resonance. The briefly self-replicating "ripples" put the higher brain functions into a warm reboot without triggering convulsions. The earliest fictional reference to a time-lapse inducer I know of was in The Demolished Man by Alfred Bester. Some guards were given missing time through the use of a "visual purple" flash bomb, whatever that is. In addition to the MIB uses for one of these beauties, I wonder how many unexplained single car accidents that resulted in the death of some witness were the result of it's use? Or airplane crashes? "Flashing lights" indeed. Mark McFadden Wears mirrorshades ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 19:08:55 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Contact Drug Delivery (was DMSO) On 23 Jul 1999, Peter Devlin wrote: > What you really want is an aerosol-contact combination of DMSO, LSD and > MDMA (that's Ecstasy for the uninitiated). Think of the potential for > mass brainwashing, mass orgies (useful tool for Deep One based plots) or > just mass anarchy. That's Shub-Niggurath based plots... This theory (and all that warm brown diarrea lager) would explain the behavior of English Soccer Hooligans. [English Soccer Hooligans are a registered trademark of Major League Baseball and may not be rebroadcast without permission] The Man in Black is : a registered trademark of [fnord] Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 19:31:23 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: RE: Contact Drug Delivery (was DMSO) On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Ward Phil wrote: > It had laser guns which froze a person for a few minutes and blanked > their memory? A precursor the MiB's neuralyzer... there were special > shades that blocked the relevant wavelengths out. Actually any polarized lens would have done way back then. > I'm sure the same could be achieved with MiGo/MJ-12 removing eccentric > people who only communicate by phone/video:) Like a DG "friendly" on the Steering Comittee? Gavin Ross might be canned and become a virtual persona if the Agents screw up. This would make Lepus (a possible Ithaqua cultist) one step closer to becoming Project Director of MJ-3 GARNET. OTOH, it might make Agents worry if they assassinate a guy on the Steering Committe and find out that he's making phone calls and so forth like nothing ever happened. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 20:01:56 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: RE: Resurrection : BOT2 On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Benada, Rob wrote: > working properly. Sense, according to available documentation, these > creatures are self disposing (i.e. turn to slime), or insubstantial (flame > vampire). Fire Vampires are immaterial, but "Star Vampires" are just invisible. Their insubstantial status is basically unknown. > Cthonian, ghoul, great race, and possibly a Shoggoth the earthy version > should work, possibly with some modifications. (The Salting process must be > started while the creature is still partially alive; double expenditures of > MP; POW pentiality; additional MP charge for over size bodies). Yep. More MP for more SIZ. This is something that GURPS addresses (I think, my copy of Magic is locked up). I see no reason for salting while alive, other than to make for a Kewl scene of course. > I do believe that only a human necromancer would create the variations in > the resurrection spell necessary to resurrect these entities: This is in serious doubt. Ressurection probably existed aeons before humanity. Mi-Go don't use it (WHY?) because the saltes probably degrade over millenia. Ghouls might use it for food storage, a version of Iron Rations perhaps. Dunno about the others. > If a mythos creature was processed using a modified form of the human > spell I would think that Most of the time you would get a something MUCH > worse than what went in (double/triple san loss, more lethal, more > cunning, unreasoning, unbindable). SHOTGUN SCENARIO: After much horrible carnage, Delta Green kills Ahtu, the golden tree avatar of Nyarlathotep, in Africa during OP KURTZ. The hideous god-corpse remains...and remains...and remains... Stephan Alzis or someone similar shows up and offers to "hide the evidence." He/they require large amounts of industrial chemical and laboratory equipment to do so. The components are shipped to Africa by the then official DG. The god-corpse is rendered into its essential saltes and taken away to be forgotton. Today, watching CNN and through other channels, the Cell discovers that environmental spills, mysterious fires and odd disappearances are plaguing NWI related facilities at a dozen chemical plants in Africa. Now those encrypted files received from GEN Fairfield impose the chilling and final logic onto the Agents that they have been dreaded since the beginning. The Man in Black is : certain that no African Nation has an EPA. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 22:23:26 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Deep One Gold : BOT 1 On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 ScottSaylo@aol.com wrote: > shoggoth droppings for gold) The elder god landmines are an interesting touch > and a breeder for a scenario when a deep sea mining facility gets one of > those LAND mines, how's that for an on topic seed? We have to wait for Back to the Mountains of Madness. Geez, if any more delays hit Countdown or MoM we'll have to call the Dark Young the Dark Old before getting our goodies. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 22:27:40 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: Biological Weapons (Was: Re: DG: Mentos) On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Juergen Hubert wrote: > > PS: I wish to assure our foriegn associates that US biological weapon > > programs are purely defensive in nature. > > Like when those pesky Europeans won't buy American genetically > engineered food... ;-) Shut up and eat your damn bananas, you spoilt reject from the Archer-Daniels Midlands essay contest! The Man in Black is : a clean plate winner Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 22:47:14 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: School of the Americas On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Jeanne Edna Thelwell wrote: I stand by my previous testosterone laced defense of murder and torture. However, I don't think closing the school is possible without some sort of major media hoo-hah. However, getting more open access to the school, and I don't mean by biased individuals, but by trained human-rights observers, might be a step in the right direction. I do not see this strategy being applied, probably 'cause pinko scummies do not have the pure GUTS, discipline or willpower to attend an advanced miltary institution. Then again, neither do I :) I would be very interested in seeing the UN put an observer through the school, or perhaps dig up that Marine Intel Officer who whistleblew on how Iraq weapons inspections were FUBAR, and see if he can still hack the grueling physical nature of military training. If nothing is going on, as the SOA, CIA and numerous others claim, then sending a couple of reporters/observers through the school should be no problem. If the school is closed, then the SOA vanishes into the clandestine budget, and we get things like the Panama Jungle School (PANA JUNGLA~!) popping up all over South America as Special Forces go to Latin Armies instead of Latin Armies coming to us. These SoA students might make good DG friendlies if Majestic decides to insert themselves into the SoA issue (to recover Grey stuff in Peru?). Maybe I can work this into EH somehow, Jimmie? The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:03:06 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Jelly babies (was: Re: RE: Re: Book choice) On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Don Juneau wrote: > > There's always the Fetus Farms from GURPS Cyberworld. A few kidnapped > > white slave women who do nothing but pump out fetuses for the worst kind > > of scientific research. NWI never had it so good. > > Ewww, how *low-tech*. Removal of the female reproductive system is a > better solution; there's less overhead to support Utereus-in-a-Jar than an > entire (albeit drugged/lobotomised/???) human, [ultra-tech stuff snipped] Yes, but then you don't see your mother/sister/girlfriend/ex-partner strapped open-legged to a bed with bloody sheets. You don't hear the insane wailing of the other dozen "somebody else's daughters." You don't get to wonder which woman is next. You don't have to audit the financial records and find evidence of facilities like this all over the world, in your small home town, in your favorite big city - in *every* big city. Most of all, you don't get to see the immense profits that can be reaped by total abandonment of humanity. It's just a gross Uterus-in-a-Jar (TM) instead of a twisted piece of profitable sentient cattle that was once a foible-laden human being. So, in conclusion, Low-Tech is more fun. The Man in Black is : Low Tech Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:08:51 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Philly Ex. On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Scott "Blair Witch Pimp" Cleverdon wrote: > I hope that they paid the poor bastards well. I'm sure they didn't. > Fuckers. Gee Scott, you're not bitter are you? Well, anyway if the actors are smart, they'll land some bigger roles, which will lead to even bigger roles which will lead to them being replaced with robots by the Illuminati. The Man in Black is : not a robot. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:12:37 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: DMSO On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Jay Dugger wrote: > Certain experiments conducted by "A Friend of a Friend" make me > doubt the effectiveness of DMSO as a solvent for LSD. Perhaps that > compound dissolves poorly in DMSO or maybe has little effect once > dissolved, but I do report what experience showed. I conclude that either the DMSO or the LSD (or Both) was what we MiB's like to refer to as "Total Crap." Otherwise known as "Never trust a fucking dealer!" Unless they're your regular dealer of course, that's different :) The Man in Black is : your regular dealer. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:14:54 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: DMSO On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Jay Dugger wrote: > Pshaw! Try thiomercaptans--dilute aerosols smell like a cross > between burning metal and brimstone. Worse, that stench lingers in the > nostrils for one or two hours. It smells like Cyber-Satan? What is this wondrous fragrant potpourri? The Man in Black is : Cyber-Kenneth-Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:31:55 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Contact Drug Delivery (was DMSO) In a message dated 7/24/99 1:58:07 AM Central Daylight Time, snake.eyes@worldnet.att.net writes: << Why not just dose up the inkpad used to hand-stamp everybody at the door? ~ Snake Eyes >> A rather brilliant idea! Reminds me of the "Electric Kool-Aid" idea (spiking the punch with LSD-25. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:45:28 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Intra-species Shan Infestation On Sat, 24 Jul 1999, Barry Hill wrote: > The shan should only be able to infest a species with one brain centre > organ, so they cannot infest a mi-go [ or an octopus- which i understand > has two brains side by side- if one was infested what would the other > brain think of it ?] Depends on how the two brains work. I'm guessing Octobrain is merely a split further along than the Left/Right action seen in most other noggins'. If the Octobrain was small enough the Shan could "reach" both sides. If not, the the Shan could hop from one side to the other, costing it MP/fatigue etc. Or in the case of infesting the Giant Octobrain from 80,000 leagues beneath the sea, multiple Shan would be necessary, operating like three Cylon Centurion robo-pilots from BattleStar Galactica. http://members.tripod.com/~DesignR/CylonART.html > The best zombies anyway are the undead of the sea- if a body is > submerged in water the flesh turns to a gray- white fatty soap substance > called adipere Yes, grody to the max, and waxy and sloughs away easy and BLEAH~! Like Gag me with a consecrated knife. Let's not forget the Crab Larvae eating away at the guts either, as I believe some mentioned long ago from a FBI friend describing Flight 800 (the one shot down by bombs/US Navy/UFO's). Hit the Zombie and a plethora of tiny white crabs burst from the stomach; much like the Mongol Horde we were observing from orbit the other day. Floaters, ECCH! > ..Ok . so the the shan cannot infrct the mi-go but they can infect those > mi-go computers controlled by sliced human brain as they are organic and > they can control the grays created by the mi-go. Actually the Dark Conspiracy brainslice might be too thin for the Shan to interface with. Makes a good sandwich though, maybe with some adipere cheese? Greys would prove troublesome, you have the Shan, natural interstellar parasites; and you have the Mi-Go, who have designed a bio-tech remote control for Greys. This is a dice roll that (IMHO) favors the Mi-Go by a great extent. The Greys don't have that much gray matter (heh) to infest, and the Mi-Go probably keep a regular accounting of their Greys. That means the Mi-Go could discover the Shan and that does not bode well for anyone. The Mi-Go will probably devise some means of Shan Imprisonment (called brain cylinders) and put 'em all in jail, for use in further human mind-control research. > We know that their planet Shaggai was probably destroyed by Ghroth- the > same fate the mi- go have threatened for earth - is this a common mi-go > ploy, was there a major war between the mi-go and the shan According to the "Insects from Shaggai" story by Cambell, Groth just showed up from out of the blue and wiped out Shaggai in three to four days just like the fat bastard that ol' One-Eye happens to be. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:49:17 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: xxx webmaster On Sat, 24 Jul 1999, root wrote: > > Madam Sunset > Am I the only that has burned its mailbox? Hey now, don't be knocking Madame Sunset, I'm sure she'll enjoy her new "position" entertaining the DYoSN in the lower levels of Club Apocalypse. Not every story has to have a happy ending, but sometimes the fairy tale magic just happens...It's so beautiful (sniff). The Man in Black is : all teary-eyed like that. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:54:58 -0400 From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: Re: DG: Ressurection: BOT2 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BED62F.EFB9F0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK. My e-mail's screwy, and I won't be able to quote here, but bear with = me. MIB's last post in this thread brought up a few comments.=20 As to why the Mi-Go don't use Ressurection spells: I've, personally, = always drawn a very close parallel between "essential salts" and Ye Olde = Double Helixe (DNA). Therefore, the Ressurected Curwen in "Charles = Dexter Ward" was a clone, more or less, of everyone's favorite warlock. = Thus, *any* Mythos race is, IMHO, rather unlikely to make regular use of = Ressurection, except possibly for Ghouls and Deep Ones. But I digress = slightly. "...each Mi-Go consists of a colony of fungal matter..." (DG, p. 17) Use = of Ressurection by a Mi-Go would result in the cloning of one individual = fungal cell, rather than the complete Fun Guy.=20 Now, on to comments on the Shotgun Scenario. Lovely idea. Anyone care to = imagine what happens when an avatar of Nyarlathotep comes back as Ye = Liveliest Awefullness? I'm sure it's not very pretty. Andrew D. Gable gable@redrose.net "'Reality' is the only word in the language that should always be used = in quotes." My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, "Nervous Xians" - ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BED62F.EFB9F0E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK. My e-mail's screwy, and I won't = be able to=20 quote here, but bear with me. MIB's last post in this thread brought up = a few=20 comments.
 
As to why the Mi-Go don't use = Ressurection=20 spells: I've, personally, always drawn a very close parallel between=20 "essential salts" and Ye Olde Double Helixe (DNA). Therefore, = the=20 Ressurected Curwen in "Charles Dexter Ward" was a clone, more = or less,=20 of everyone's favorite warlock. Thus, *any* Mythos race is, IMHO, rather = unlikely to make regular use of Ressurection, except possibly for Ghouls = and=20 Deep Ones. But I digress slightly.
 
"...each Mi-Go consists of a = colony of=20 fungal matter..." (DG, p. 17) Use of Ressurection by a Mi-Go would = result=20 in the cloning of one individual fungal cell, rather than the complete = Fun Guy.=20
 
Now, on to comments on the Shotgun = Scenario.=20 Lovely idea. Anyone care to imagine what happens when an avatar of = Nyarlathotep=20 comes back as Ye Liveliest Awefullness? I'm sure it's not very=20 pretty.
 
Andrew D. Gable
gable@redrose.net
 
"'Reality' is the only word in = the language=20 that should always be used in=20 quotes."
         &n= bsp;         =20 My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, "Nervous=20 Xians"
- ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BED62F.EFB9F0E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 00:19:28 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Kennedy campaign musings On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 USFORREC1@aol.com wrote: > I agree that this was the proposed scenario but from what I've read, JFK > wanted to break with this whole Cold War plan. Kennedy was viewed by many as a pinko, and maybe this led to his assassination (damn, two asses in one word, Kewl!). But I still have to assert (ass again!) that MJ is just too big and too unbelieveable in your little world. It would be much more fitting to have the Black Brotherhood mentioned only in At Your Door, Enc. Cthuliana, and originally from Strange Aeons by Bloch. These guys perform assassinations (heh-heh) to serve the Chaos that Crawls like an ass. MJ in the 60's would still be trying to fetch that loser from Dark Skies, and would not want a policy battle over Vietnam with DG hardcases with too many stars. MJ has always been mostly business and technical, not military, so they probably didn't have the *reach* to do the nasty in the 'Nam. MKULTRA was totally exposed, fer chrissake, pathetic. I think that the history should show DG as the established entrenched bureacracy that overshadows MJ and gradually loses importance until 1970, and then MJ starts to grow more and more powerful until we have the situation today. Having MJ always be the same bunch of creeps makes no sense. All organizations evolve over time. People come and go, times change. It could be that during the ENDTIMES Delta Green becomes a fanatical tyrannical cult who think that their victories over MJ, CoT and the Karotechia show the favor of Nyarlathotep, and they would be correct. > that influenced MJ at the time. This might explain the micromanagement of > the war and why the goals continually changed and were never that clear. The > war became too profitable to end. The goals were perfectly clear, continue the conflict without escalation to nuclear levels. The other bullshit is typical of any war fought with rookie conscripts vs. veteran volunteers. I've seen human stupidity like this in every history book I've ever read. > DG would have a much more direct involvement. I would also front the > theory that DG was oppossed to the war and would have prefered a different > arangement (another DG/MJ policy split?) I see the hawks in DG as using the war to smash the Mythos with clusterbombs, that plane with the gatlings and howitzers, and companies of pissed off rangers (AIRBORNE~!). Why on Gawd's Green Earth would any Gawd-Fearing righteous DG Agent want to end the war when the smell of Napalm awaits, the sound of Gunfire calls, and the fierce detonations of SHIT blowing up and bloody limbs flying akimbo roar like mad thunder to the winds? War is Victory, Son, and everybody gets to win. > have been oppossed if only on principle alone. DG probably made contacts > with Ho Chi Mihn through the OSS in WW2 (maybe Camp himself). This is part of the "Every historical figure is part of the Conspiracy" angle and that's just plain wrong. Leave Ho Chi Minh alone. Make up a cadre of generals who despise the mythos and that's enough. The Man in Black is : wondering, why call that old man a Ho? Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 00:25:04 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Kennedy campaign musings On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 USFORREC1@aol.com wrote: > for DG (and those paranoid PCs). Was DG formed to attack rival organized > crime groups? Does DG have a bit of the taint from those days? As a Keeper, > no. As my PCs, well, they will be wondering... You mean they're not Agents? Man, your scenarios must be rather boring. How often does stuff blow up? What possible motive would anyone have to investigate the Kennedy's, maybe Alzis would give 'em a lead, but I still don't see any point to it. Red Herrings should always lead to another scenario, allowing the "failure aftermath" of the other scenario to be implemented. This allows much greater PC hosing to occur. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 00:36:32 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: xxx webmaster On Sat, 24 Jul 1999, Bill Steinen wrote: > Spam; how annoying. These guys don't know what they've gotten into - this > looks like a job for the MiB. ...and to a mailing list no less. I'll just let Womack and co. deal with it for now. Although I'm guessing that non-subscribers cannot post to the list. Therefore, WE HAVE A TRAITOR IN OUR MIDST~! Undoubtedly it is some vile lurker who consumes but does not contribute, like some sort of repulsive digital parasite. Then again, perhaps we do not want to read your bad poetry or plagerized lyrics. To these silent shadowy folk I must offer gratitude for keeping your idiocy to yourself. Note that there are several computer professionals on this list who have discussed means of illegal computer use. It would be simply shocking if they were to lose control of their emotions and perpetrate some sort of cyber-revenge on a simple Spammer who no doubt is suffering from debilitating mental illness or illnesses. I mean for someone to lose all their hard earned email addresses, because someone got upset and couldn't handle it, that would be a shame. A damn shame. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 00:44:18 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: The Looker gun On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > The concept of the "time-lapse" gun was supposedly based on existing > equipment. Or as we call the latest version "The Pokemon Gun." > In addition to the MIB uses for one of these beauties, I wonder how many > unexplained single car accidents that resulted in the death of some witness > were the result of it's use? Or airplane crashes? "Flashing lights" indeed. Our flashy thingy works on EMP, sonics and "the Pokemon Effect." There's more but fnord. > Mark McFadden > Wears mirrorshades That's nice. Looks Kewl. Now all you need is a suit, tie and hat. You know the color. The Man in Black is : catching them all. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 01:28:02 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Ressurection: BOT2 On Sat, 24 Jul 1999, Andrew D. Gable wrote: > OK. My e-mail's screwy, and I won't be able to quote here Nobody cares about your petty little problems Andy. > As to why the Mi-Go don't use Ressurection spells: I've, personally, > always drawn a very close parallel between "essential salts" and Ye Olde > Double Helixe (DNA). Therefore, the Ressurected Curwen in "Charles > Dexter Ward" was a clone, more or less, of everyone's favorite warlock. > Thus, *any* Mythos race is, IMHO, rather unlikely to make regular use of > Ressurection, except possibly for Ghouls and Deep Ones. But I digress > slightly. Now you have become guilty of...(ominous fanfare) CINEMATIC CLONING! Okay, I can see Essential Saltes = Deoxyribose Nucleic Acid, that's pretty good. But then you would only need a small portion of ES to get the ressurected up and at 'em. Memory is another issue, which is self-evident when you have to whole mess of powder. Ye Liveliest Awefullness might also be avoided by careful centrifuging. ES might best be represented as a material which is extradimensional in nature, and defies conventional chemistry. This could be described as chemical bonds which appear and disappear, differing but similiar composition with every new test, and a constantly shifting spectrum, as if fluctuating across many angles of light. More horrifying would be when analysis of a person's blood sample comes back with these same inexplicable properties. GASP! Deep Ones cannot really use salting. Essential saltes would dissolve under water - OOPS! They might set up some sort of salting conspiracy on land though. Ghouls think that the Ressurected taste pretty good, they might use Essential Saltes to flavor a meal or as I mentioned previously, as Iron Rations. As for on each other? I think Mordiggian Ghouls have more respect for the dead than that, at least their own dead. It would work, but be considered a great crime. Ghouls eating their own dead? Probably some big ritualistic ceremony with lots of shouting and reveling and killing in joy. IOW, a Kewl party. Mebbe not as fun as Karotechia Dance Party 2000 with Amazon Babes in Butt Floss like Queen Anya Clench and her Nazi Girl Commandoes and Swastika Saucer Pilot Chix, but fun for those who like necrophila and that whole scene. Groovy, Baby! > "...each Mi-Go consists of a colony of fungal matter..." (DG, p. 17) Use > of Ressurection by a Mi-Go would result in the cloning of one individual > fungal cell, rather than the complete Fun Guy. This presumes the Fun-Guys use DNA, NO WAY Dude! The salting would preserve the state of the original fungus, and ressurection would bring her back home. 'Course Mi-Go may not be saltable due to their extraterrestrial nature. I would roll for Ressurection skill (I use GURPS) and allow salting only on a critical success or failure. Failure means "Ye Liveliest Awefullness thee Likes o' Which Ye Hast Ne'er Seene afore" upon ressurection. Ressurecting fungal saltes would also require *another* critical success, with failure producing nothing, and critical failure producing a regular olde Ye Liveliest Awefullness. > Now, on to comments on the Shotgun Scenario. Lovely idea. Anyone care to > imagine what happens when an avatar of Nyarlathotep comes back as Ye > Liveliest Awefullness? I'm sure it's not very pretty. Abhoth? Ubbo-Sathla? Yo' Mama? It may not be possible for Ahtutti-Frutti the Magic Tree to be much more lively or awful that it is already. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 01:48:23 -0400 From: Greg Muir Subject: Re: DG: The Looker gun > > > Mark McFadden > > Wears mirrorshades > > That's nice. Looks Kewl. Now all you need is a suit, tie and hat. You > know the color. White, more stylish that way. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 02:04:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Don Juneau Subject: Re: DG: Jelly babies (was: Re: RE: Re: Book choice) On Sat, 24 Jul 1999, The Man in Black wrote: > On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Don Juneau wrote: > > > > There's always the Fetus Farms from GURPS Cyberworld. A few kidnapped > > > white slave women who do nothing but pump out fetuses for the worst kind > > > of scientific research. NWI never had it so good. > > > > Ewww, how *low-tech*. Removal of the female reproductive system is a > > better solution; there's less overhead to support Utereus-in-a-Jar than an > > entire (albeit drugged/lobotomised/???) human, > > [ultra-tech stuff snipped] > > Yes, but then you don't see your mother/sister/girlfriend/ex-partner > strapped open-legged to a bed with bloody sheets. You don't hear the > insane wailing of the other dozen "somebody else's daughters." You don't > get to wonder which woman is next. You don't have to audit the financial > records and find evidence of facilities like this all over the world, in > your small home town, in your favorite big city - in *every* big city. > Most of all, you don't get to see the immense profits that can be reaped > by total abandonment of humanity. Naw, then you get to find your cored out, possibly (with Fun Guy methods) still alive. You find insane "donors" changing the filters and babbling away, drooling on the floor. You still have the disappearances, as using "zoom-womb'd" products as breeding-stock will probably bring up that ol' incestous multi-generation-copy effect, blurring and defocusing the genetic material... The horror comes when the anonymous blobs of flesh are identified; when the lab notes and production logs are examined, showing not only a well-developed process, but one with *quotas*, and even worse, just one facility of many... Efficiency, dammit! You can load a Breeding Pod into any handy 40-foot tractor-trailer, and go on the road, using FedEx for needed supplies, offloading Fetus Racks at selected warehouses, and using local snatch teams to fill the other needs. Get some use out of all that leftover hardware from ENDANGERED SPECIES... > It's just a gross Uterus-in-a-Jar (TM) instead of a twisted piece of > profitable sentient cattle that was once a foible-laden human being. > > So, in conclusion, Low-Tech is more fun. High-Tech is so *pretty*, tho. Of course, something this nifty won't be available in Popular Mechanix kit form; I'd expect Majestic-level resources to do it up nice, leaving major governments and more powerful corporations with the clean'n'shiny facilities. Smaller countries and companies can do advanced support systems with more-or-less (they don't need arms or legs anymore) complete humans, while the next step down in sophistication is complete (cheaper/less stress to leave whole) humans and hospital-grade facilities. Get down to the cultist-on-the-street, fanatic militia groups, and the like, and they'll be happy to excavate some more crawlspace to chain up a few breeders. Karotechia would probably run a mix - the True Aryan production would probably be left to volunteers, for nurturing, love, and from-the-womb education and brainwashing; there may be a sideline, however, in volunteers to birth, and then creche-style care, to keep pesky emotional attachements from causing problems. Stormtroopers can be done with canned uteri, as you're mass-producing expendables. When you get down to experimental levels, tho, that's where it can be tricky - basic cruelty and horror-harvesting means humans, but that would likely be for your Mud Races in general; full-Aryan prototyping will probably be canned, while crossbreeding would likely be used on "complete" bodies (Mud People or Race Traitors, depending on what's being planned). IMO, the way to play with this is to have the PCs stumble across a breeder-farm or two, low-tech and hideous... and sometime later on, find a Big Ovulatin' Rig, to reinforce the stark truth that the corruption is everywhere... especially if it can be linked to either a surplus of the more-popular white/normal (or so it seems) newborns for adoption, or baby-swapping in the local hospitals. "Gee, Mike, Rachael just had twins, didn't she?" "Oh God, my cousin just adopted a daughter!" A sideline can be Right-To-Life radicals, heretical Catholics, et cetera, kidnapping pregnant women to force full-term births...or, for those Innsmouthers among us, HUMANOIDS FROM THE DEEP re-enactments. Ah well, enough of this cheerfulness for now... Don ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 04:32:40 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: DG: A new urban myth In a message dated 7/24/99 8:34:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ScottSaylo@aol.com writes: << << Why not just dose up the inkpad used to hand-stamp everybody at the door? ~ Snake Eyes >> A rather brilliant idea! Reminds me of the "Electric Kool-Aid" idea (spiking the punch with LSD-25. >> Adulterated hand stamps at Disneyland. Let's have some fun and start a new Urban Myth. It goes like this: I read in one of the local alternative papers out here, The Beach Reporter (IIRC) that several people in the South Bay came to various emergency rooms with symptoms of strychnine poisoning. It took a while to find the connection between them. They all used the same ATM machine to deposit their paychecks. When the ATM was checked, several more deposit envelopes were found with strychnine on the adhesive. With a better choice of poison the victims would all be dead. All of this is of course bogus, but if during retelling the key elements are always consistent, it will be assumed to have a core of truth. So, story reported in local paper without website. LA's South Bay. All victims had same bank/ATM. Strychnine on deposit envelopes. Mark McFadden Is anxiously awaiting the letter to Dear Abby asking her to warn people about deposit envelopes. ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V2 #11 *******************************