From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V2 #15 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Friday, July 30 1999 Volume 02 : Number 015 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:50:50 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: DG: A Mentos Moment [NIGHT] [CITY STREET. A BAD NEIGHBORHOOD] [MUSIC. BUBBLY CHORUS] Do do do dooo, do doo, do waaaah! A tired young PISCES(?) AGENT runs TOWARDS camera. His STYLISH TRENCHCOAT billows behind him in his flight. He is followed by POSSESSED BUREAUCRATS in John Steed pinstripes and bowlers. They walk with their jaws opened wide and pointing accusingly, like pod people. We can see pulsing bulges on their foreheads. [SONG continues] It doesn't matter what comes, fresh goes better in life, Young PISCES(?) AGENT gains distance and turns corner at full speed. His STYLISH TRENCHCOAT swirls like a cape. [SONG continues] With Mentos fresh and full of Life! POSSESSED BUREAUCRATS come to the corner. They look in all directions. We see that the street is empty of pedestrians. POSSESSED BUREAUCRATS look at each other wordlessly, then break into efficient teams to search the street. [ALLEY] [SONG continues] Nothing gets to you, stayin fresh, stayin cool, PISCES(?) AGENT is pressed against wall, catching his breath. He reaches into his STYLISH TRENCHCOAT and removes a package of MENTOS. Past the end of the alley, we can see POSSESSED BUREAUCRATS in the distance, searching for the PISCES(?) AGENT. They are obviously coming this way. Facing the PISCES(?) AGENT is a BUM in a SHABBY OVERCOAT. The BUM reflexively has his hand out. He appears to be drunk. [SONG continues] With Mentos fresh and full of LIFE!!! PISCES(?) AGENT tips back his head and puts a MENTOS in his mouth. He looks at the BUM and we see from the PISCES(?) AGENT'S ah-hah! expression and finger snap that he has had an idea. The BUM looks uneasy. Who, me? [CITY STREET] POSSESSED BUREAUCRATS are approaching the mouth of the alley. [ALLEY] PISCES(?) AGENT is running TOWARDS camera. He is wearing the SHABBY OVERCOAT. He is sniffing at a lapel as he runs. From his expression we know that the coat stinks. [SONG continues] Fresh goes better! Mentos freshness! As the BUM wearing the STYLISH TRENCHCOAT with the collar turned up exits the ALLEY, he is attacked in George Romero fashion by the POSSESSED BUREAUCRATS. The POSSESSED BUREAUCRATS huddle over the BUM and, judging from their movements, begin to tear the BUM into pieces. [SONG continues] Fresh goes better with Mentos, fresh and full of life! The POSSESSED BUREAUCRATS are caught in the headlights of a passing taxi. In the darkness we cannot tell the make of the car or which side the driver is seated in. The POSSESSED BUREAUCRATS spring up from their task in surprise and gape at the passing taxi. Then, in a synchronized manner the POSSESSED BUREAUCRATS simultaneously wag their bloody finger in mock disapproval and smile in good humored defeat. [ANNOUNCER] Mentos! The Freshmaker! [MEDIUM CLOSE-UP] Freeze frame on cockily smiling PISCES(?) AGENT in the rear seat of the taxi, holding up a package of MENTOS. His other hand is obscured by shadow, but appears to be giving a peace sign. Oddly, his hand appears to be turned with the back towards us. Mark McFadden stayin fresh, stayin cool ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:28:42 +0100 From: "Clairr O'Connor & Kevin Honan" Subject: DG: Re: deltagreen-digest V2 #14 > > David Farnell -- Fukuoka, Japan > > "Ich bin ein Frankfurter!" (No, really--drop the "ein" and it's true.) > > You don't need to drop the "ein". It's already correct as you wrote it. Same goes > for "Ich bin ein Wiener!", though this would not be a German city, of course. I AM A DOUGHNUT I AM A DOUGHNUT I AM A DOUGHNUT Sorry, just thought I' d get that off my chest, e ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:43:55 -0000 From: "Crossingham, Adam" Subject: Re: DG: arabic tomb Barry Hill writes: <<< any one any ideas on what in fact would be found in an arab tomb [ i already have many CoC ideas ] in the middle ages - abdul al hazrad times did the arabs use coffins , or were bodies wrapped in turin shrouds and an easter egg rolled across the door? >>> ScottSaylo replies: <<< The arab belief is that the body will be physically resurrected and should be kept in a stone coffin to preserve the body as best as possible. >>> That's only if you can afford it though, the average peasant might have to do with a stone slab sided and topped grave instead. Some tombs became shrines because of the religious merit of the occupant, or the architecture (i.e. like the Taj Mahal as a extreme and out of region example) or the merit in the design of the sarcophagus. Phil Ward adds: <<< Not to mention stopping the desert ghul's getting in and eating them... >>> I've seen Bedouin Arab graves in the desert that have only been dug to a depth approximating waist height. This is apparently according to custom so that the dead can sit up and get out of their graves on Judgement Day. This also means that desert dogs, graverobbers or ghouls can easily dig them up as well; the graves I saw had bones all over the place, but only the big heavy ones. - -- Adam C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:30:44 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: A Mentos Moment Greetings. Mark wrote >[NIGHT] >[CITY STREET. A BAD NEIGHBORHOOD] >[MUSIC. BUBBLY CHORUS] >Do do do dooo, do doo, do waaaah! [snipp!] I'm humbled by the sheer genius of this all. It does not even show it was filmed in an obscure backlot somewhere in Hollywood. Geez, it really looked like the area 'round Blenheim Crescent. Cheers! Davide Mana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:23:05 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: RE: DG: arabic tomb Cheers. Phil wrote.... >Not to mention stopping the desert ghul's getting in and eating them... Or providing them with a pleasant, cozy place to consume their nightly feast. See the Arabian Nights for some reference. BTW - time for a new topic.... Is there an established link between Mythos ghouls and their traditional middle-eastern counterparts? Or are the Arabian Night ghouls.... something else? Think about it. Davide Mana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:46:58 EDT From: USFORREC1@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: arabic tomb In a message dated 7/30/99 10:34:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, doctor.dee@iol.it writes: << Is there an established link between Mythos ghouls and their traditional middle-eastern counterparts? Or are the Arabian Night ghouls.... something else? Think about it. >> I would say that the two types of ghouls are the same race. Some of the legends of the Arabian ghuls would be items that we can attribute to the ghouls (shape-changing is really Consume Likeness, hunting loved ones would be the connections between a new ghoul and their old life, and so on). Cultural differences and perceptions could color the legends to appear different but at their base they are really the same (with some misinformation being attributed to the ghuls through contact with sand dwellers, the remains of cthonian attacks, and so on). I would say that the real difference would be in their culture. Possibly they were either an early split with the western ghouls or they are just recently coming into contact with them. Possibilities with this angle are pretty great. They might be carrying on their own Jihad against western ghouls for not being proper worshippers of Mordiggian (or have their own splits of faith or even by clan). They might be bringing new ideas to the western ghouls, mingling an old philosophy and new (leading to new sects of both groups). They might be potential allies against the cthonians or human enemies in the region, or inversely allied with some hostile group (new school-style ghouls assisting Hussien, or more likely his lackeys, against the Kurds and so on). For investigators with ghoul experiences, this can be sort of a double culture shock when working the region, first with the human Islamic cultures (and splits) and a second, similar set with the ghouls. anyway, just some ideas... - -Dave K ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:56:35 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: DG: Music from the Ether Greetings. Music has been discussed in the past on the list - both as an element of the Mythos and as background for games. Well, I just found out a little CD that fits both bills, and then some, so here's a review [with DG-relevance pointers]. My apologies to all uninterested parties for the waste of bandwidth. The item in question is Lydia Kavina - "Music from the Ether - Original Works for Theremin" Published by Mode Records The theremin - a weird-looking piece of hardware you play by waving hands or other appendages in front of two aerials - was part of the Soviet effort to produce revolutionary cultural artefacts that broke with the past. [DG: notice you don't need hands to operate the theremin. As a piece of Yithian, Funguy or ET tech (or derived thereof) it's a pretty strong candidate] Lenin liked it a lot, but on't have Stalin's opinion Created in the early '20s, it landed in the US of A in 1927 - courtesy of a campaign sponsored by RCA. After some success it was forgotten by most. After spending 11 years in America, Leon Termen (the inventor) went back to the USSR, spent some time in a gulag (common practice for artists at the time ;>) and ended up in some secret research project sponsored by KGB. [DG: or some other outfit using KGB as a cover. The true nature of the project, or what Termen did in the USA is open to speculation, so let's....] They let him go in '89. The record features 67 minutes of pretty strange music written over aperiod of seven decades by some pretty strange guys indeed. Apart from notorious musical maverick Buhoslav Martinu°, we get... . Joseph Schillinger - the man that brought jazz to the Soviets apparently despised traditional instruments. He researched possible applications of all five senses in art, wrote a method for the theremin that was never published and created some strange stuff, including a "geometric film" and sound/colour abstractions. In the '20s. [DG - jazz in Russia? C'mon.... And a book written but never published whose purpose was to illustrate the workings of the instrument and its operation.... and what else?] Percy Grainger was an aussie living in England - apart from some rough practices with his wife (they were into S&M etc), he was experimental in music, chiefly. He developed a new notation system to be used with the theremin. [DG - need a guy with a Shan in his head? Grainger is your man. Moody musical genius, crazy, violent, enjoying pain as edonistic activity, composing weird music.... what else do you need?] Lydia Kavina - the grandaughter of Termen and instructed by the man himself in theremin technique plays and writes for the instrument. [DG - Has a bit of an Innsmouth look, but probably it's just me....] Vladimir Komarov - pupil and successor to Termen, has a huge stock of tapes of Termen's voice he uses as part of his compositions. [DG - clearly Termen's control from the last KGB (or whatever) years. What he is divulging through his compositions and why are points yet to be investigated] For the rest - the music on the record makes for a great, unusual and memorable soundtrack for games - haunting, and no kidding. All of the compositions are great as handouts for scenarios, too - if the guys are investigating a strange musician, these samples of his opus will make the players paranoid indeed. They range from just over one minute to a quarter of an hour, so all needs are catered for. Some pieces (the Grainger 4 theremin song, e.g.) can also double as SETI recordings, intercepted gray communication, schizoid whales on speed or what. Classical music lovers will probably loathe it in toto, but you can't please everybody. Experimental music fans and generally curious people will probably get a big kick out of it (as I did). As a final personal note, I've got to say that's a pleasure, listening to "Ether", to discover the theremin can actually produce something more than the ominous whine from '50s flick soundtracks (Forbidden Planet, The Day Earth Stood Still etc). So, all in all - it's hard to find (but Amazon carries it), it's rather expensive for my standards and does not appeal to general tastes, but if there's a music to read the King in Yellow to, it has to be this one. And this is it. End of unsolicited review. Please flame gently. Take care. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:59:50 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: Re: Slangoids Raising to the occasion >In the spirit of literary contests (and to get back on topic), lets see >you use ALL the Ice cave slang in a fiction paragraph. If you're >*really* cool, let's see a series of haiku (you know who you are). "A Night at the Opera" No use playing Zeppo Over dead kennedies. Davide Mana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:59:03 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Music from the Ether In a message dated 7/30/99 11:01:23 AM EST, doctor.dee@iol.it writes: << sound/colour abstractions. In the '20s. [DG - jazz in Russia? C'mon.... And a book written but never published whose purpose was to illustrate the workings of the instrument and its operation.... and what else?] >> Jazz was very big in Rusia and a great many black American jazz artists had to go to Europe to keep working. The US frowned on Americans going to Soviet Russia, but you could hop a train in Paris (which was VERY HOT for les jazz hot) and travel to Moscow which required no more than a soviet stamp on your American passport. American blacks were very popular with the communists - they were after all down trodden proletariat, were they not? American black jazz musicians probably laughed out loud at the theramin if introduced, but that's because they had not had the disadvantage of a good communist up bringing. If they had they probably would have loved it. If you need a thread for an historical connection for a black DG agent to Russia why not a grandfather who was a "bluesman" travelling to the USSR and maybe even staying? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:22:44 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: DG: St. Jerome activity Greetings. I'm still tracking the whole story, but here's the highlits.... The Italian authorities have arrested a man in Treviso (northeastern Italy) today. Charged with a number of items, including swindle and false pretension, the guy's causing some stir in public opinion. He used to present himself as a high prelate of the Catholic church, collecting substantial donations from the heads of the many small and florid industries that crowd the region of Italy with the highes percentage of Roman Catholic penetration (a stuiff 95% of observing believers). He was fully equipped with papers, seals and other official paraphernalia. The Law was set on his tracks as he in at least two instances, abandoned the hotels he was staying in without setting the bill and leaving behind part of his luggage. Tracked down, he has been arrested, and now evidence is being collected to prove he is a fake priest. Now.... Interesting bit n. 1 - he claims to be a real priest, affiliated to a Catholic holy horder nobody ever heard of. Interesting bit n 2. - according to the few news snippets I was able to catch, he apparently packed heat (a businesslike 9mm piece), and had a huge supply of silver metals showing "a saint" to give to his sponsors as a sign of his appreciation. The saint has so not been identified so far. Interesting bit n. 3 - where's the money? If the guy really collected something like a million US $, he was fast spending the dough, as not a cent can be found. So what? Option 1 - the guy's a St. Jerome operative smack in the middle of a holy rhino. The op backfired, the guy was left alone in the field and tried to collect a ticket out of the heat while keeping on the move. They nailed him and he's being left to his own devices so that the Order stays out of the papers. Option 2 - the guy's a former St. Jerome friendly trying to cash in on the Order's methods and hooks, but with just a limited knowledge of the whole picture. He'll have an accident soon. The Order will lean back and relax while the circus goes on. Option 3 - this is the first step in a campaign to expose the existence, and later the activities of the Order, as a first step in an all-out elimination attempt. The guy's a pretender trying to rise the holiest stink possible, so that St. Jerome is dragged screaming in the spotlight. I'll post the list as soon as something definite surfaces. Cheers! Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:35:40 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: Music from the Ether Greetings. Scott wrote >Jazz was very big in Rusia and a great many black American jazz artists had >to go to Europe to keep working. The US frowned on Americans going to Soviet >Russia, but you could hop a train in Paris (which was VERY HOT for les jazz >hot) and travel to Moscow which required no more than a soviet stamp on your >American passport. American blacks were very popular with the communists - >they were after all down trodden proletariat, were they not? Interesting. I had no data about this jazz migration towards Russia. But I do have some stuff about jazz in Nazi Germany and fascist Italy, and it runs the thin line between sinister and ridiculous. This opens up a whole new world of possibilities.... Later! Davide Mana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:56:02 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: Re: DG: St. Jerome activity The order that he claimed to belong to wouldn't be some variation on The Knights of the Order of St. John of Jerusalem, The Knights of Rhodes, or the Knights of Malta would it? Remember the "P2 Conspiracy"? Phil Posehn On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:22:44 +0200 Davide Mana writes: >Greetings. > >I'm still tracking the whole story, but here's the highlits.... > >The Italian authorities have arrested a man in Treviso (northeastern >Italy) >today. >Charged with a number of items, including swindle and false >pretension, the >guy's causing some stir in public opinion. > >He used to present himself as a high prelate of the Catholic church, >collecting substantial donations from the heads of the many small and >florid industries that crowd the region of Italy with the highes >percentage >of Roman Catholic penetration (a stuiff 95% of observing believers). >He was fully equipped with papers, seals and other official >paraphernalia. > >The Law was set on his tracks as he in at least two instances, >abandoned >the hotels he was staying in without setting the bill and leaving >behind >part of his luggage. >Tracked down, he has been arrested, and now evidence is being >collected to >prove he is a fake priest. > >Now.... > >Interesting bit n. 1 - he claims to be a real priest, affiliated to a >Catholic holy horder nobody ever heard of. > >Interesting bit n 2. - according to the few news snippets I was able >to >catch, he apparently packed heat (a businesslike 9mm piece), and had a >huge >supply of silver metals showing "a saint" to give to his sponsors as a >sign >of his appreciation. >The saint has so not been identified so far. > >Interesting bit n. 3 - where's the money? If the guy really collected >something like a million US $, he was fast spending the dough, as not >a >cent can be found. > >So what? > >Option 1 - the guy's a St. Jerome operative smack in the middle of a >holy >rhino. The op backfired, the guy was left alone in the field and tried >to >collect a ticket out of the heat while keeping on the move. They >nailed him >and he's being left to his own devices so that the Order stays out of >the >papers. > >Option 2 - the guy's a former St. Jerome friendly trying to cash in on >the >Order's methods and hooks, but with just a limited knowledge of the >whole >picture. He'll have an accident soon. The Order will lean back and >relax >while the circus goes on. > >Option 3 - this is the first step in a campaign to expose the >existence, >and later the activities of the Order, as a first step in an all-out >elimination attempt. The guy's a pretender trying to rise the holiest >stink >possible, so that St. Jerome is dragged screaming in the spotlight. > >I'll post the list as soon as something definite surfaces. > >Cheers! > > Davide Mana > Torino, Italy > doctor.dee@iol.it > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:04:34 PDT From: "Doug Streifel" Subject: DG: Reefer Madness! Well, I guess I better stop smoking pot then... Anyone got any LSD? :) No, seriously, if the government does something serious like that to drive people away from marijuana, they're just going to end up creating more users for stronger drugs. Yet another DG possibility. Perhaps the Fun Guys from that little barren rock have a stake in a number of stoned-sensless people, and Marijuana doesn't fit the bill. > -----Original Message----- > From: Will Mc Donald [SMTP:wmcdonald@orctel.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 9:28 AM > To: Talking Sense? > Subject: [/dev/null] Reefer Madness! > Eeeep. :) > > Life imitates even worse sci-fi: > http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/daily/detail/0,1136,20500000000105626,00. > html > [CDreams] > > Now, the new head of the state's Office of Drug Control hopes to kill > Florida's lucrative marijuana business in the very ground in which it > thrives, by someday dusting suspected areas with a marijuana-eating, > soil-borne fungus called Fusarium oxysporum. > The fungus, a bioherbicide engineered specifically to attack plants like > marijuana, is otherwise harmless, said the Montana company, Ag/Bio Con., > that developed it. > > (Pitch: Hippies smoke fungus-tainted pot, mutate into human/fungi > hybrids...) > > - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > To unsubscribe send a message to bollocks-request@yourmum.com with > 'unsubscribe' in the body > - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- - -- Doug Streifel - --,--'-<@ "Backstreet's back allri- Oh my GOD! NO HEAD!!!" Which is more evil, Backstreet boys, or Y'Golonac? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:32:24 -0700 From: Gil Trevizo Subject: Re: DG: Music from the Ether At 09:35 PM 7/30/99 +0200, Davide Mana wrote: >Interesting. >I had no data about this jazz migration towards Russia. >But I do have some stuff about jazz in Nazi Germany and fascist Italy, and >it runs the thin line between sinister and ridiculous. > >This opens up a whole new world of possibilities.... I don't know if there's any relation, but Michael Kater, the professor whose done the only real definitive work on the Ahnenerbe ("Das "Ahnenerbe" der SS 1935 - 1945 : ein Beitrag zur Kulturpolitik des Dritten Reiches"), has seem to have done the majority of the rest of his scholarship on music in Nazi Germany, with some work specifically on jazz in the Third Reich. I've been meaning to snag some of those books, as they are in English, while his Ahnenerbe work is available only in German. Gil, wishing he had not flunked out of German classes in high school Delta Green:1940-1945 - http://www.mindspring.com/~furrylogic/deltagreen coming soon after Countdown ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:54:41 -0400 From: BRUCE BALLON Subject: DG: Adios A-migo Sorry to bother the list with this, but some of you mentioned a while back the Deadlands/Cthulhu crossover, Adios A-migo. Where can I find it? Sorry for waste of band-width. To not clutter up the list more, if anyone knows, please e-mail me off-list. Thanks, Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:49:30 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: Re: DG: Reefer Madness! Could this have something to do with the Navajo nation having planted 10,000 acres of hemp for textile and paper production??? Phil Posehn On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:04:34 PDT "Doug Streifel" writes: >Well, I guess I better stop smoking pot then... >Anyone got any LSD? :) > >No, seriously, if the government does something serious like that to >drive >people away from marijuana, they're just going to end up creating more >users >for stronger drugs. > >Yet another DG possibility. Perhaps the Fun Guys from that little >barren >rock have a stake in a number of stoned-sensless people, and Marijuana > >doesn't fit the bill. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Will Mc Donald [SMTP:wmcdonald@orctel.co.uk] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 9:28 AM > > To: Talking Sense? > > Subject: [/dev/null] Reefer Madness! > > Eeeep. :) > > > > Life imitates even worse sci-fi: > > >http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/daily/detail/0,1136,20500000000105626,00. > > html > > [CDreams] > > > > Now, the new head of the state's Office of Drug Control hopes to >kill > > Florida's lucrative marijuana business in the very ground in which >it > > thrives, by someday dusting suspected areas with a >marijuana-eating, > > soil-borne fungus called Fusarium oxysporum. > > The fungus, a bioherbicide engineered specifically to attack plants >like > > marijuana, is otherwise harmless, said the Montana company, Ag/Bio >Con., > > that developed it. > > > > (Pitch: Hippies smoke fungus-tainted pot, mutate into human/fungi > > hybrids...) > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > To unsubscribe send a message to bollocks-request@yourmum.com with > > 'unsubscribe' in the body > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > >-- >Doug Streifel >--,--'-<@ >"Backstreet's back allri- Oh my GOD! NO HEAD!!!" >Which is more evil, Backstreet boys, or Y'Golonac? > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:14:32 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: Music from the Ether Greetings again Gil wrote >I don't know if there's any relation, but Michael Kater, the professor >whose done the only real definitive work on the Ahnenerbe ("Das "Ahnenerbe" >der SS 1935 - 1945 : ein Beitrag zur Kulturpolitik des Dritten Reiches"), >has seem to have done the majority of the rest of his scholarship on music >in Nazi Germany, with some work specifically on jazz in the Third Reich. Thanks for the info. They might be worth checking out [note to self - crawl back to Amazon]. I remember one afternoon spent with a pair of jazz-oriented friends, when we rationalized the whole WW2 German western front evolution as a personal grudge between the Nazis and Kurt Weill. But I'm digressing.... While it was condemned as "degenerate music", jazz occupied a central position in the Nazi propaganda machine, and was also highly popular in Germany (as a heritage from the '20s, probably). A great number of black musicians escaped the rigours of concentration camps and other such practices by bmaking themselves useful - basically recording jazz-based propaganda songs with antisemitic and anti-british lyrics and playing at party big shots' parties. In Italy the situation was even more silly - at least for the first decade of the "Ventennio", jazz was accepted (if grudgingly) but never acknowledged as an afro-american form of art - both africans and anglos being not overly popular with the Regime. As a result, american musicians were peddled as Italians - Louis Armstrong was called "Luigi Fortebraccio", and Benny Goodman became "Beniamino Buonuomo" - a few records were also pressed, and are today almost invaluable as collector's items. When the policy towards foreign culture became more drastic, a whole generation of "closet jazzmen" started working to keep the beat going in Italy, and did a great job of contaminating the Italian "bel canto" with unlawful rythms. But all this is not on-topic, I fear. The music-Nazi propaganda has on the other hand two interesting and relevant points first - Nazis (and by extension K.) were more than willing to use the degenerate arts of the enemy to further their plans. This has to be kept in mind when characterizing the K. guys. second - they took the most popular music and bent it to their purposes. Now, what about _now_? There's some pretty sinister stuff going - and I do not mean just Marylin Manson. Picture this: Celine Dion, Fourth Reich Valkirie. As the doobies said.... listen to the music. Be seeing you. Davide "Take Five" Mana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:51:13 -0400 From: "gable" Subject: DG: Georgian Cult This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BEDAB4.1D718560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmm. Has anyone seen anything on that Neo-Egyptian cult in Georgia? I = saw a brief tidbit on the news. The cult compound is a large, black = pyramid. I think these guys may be part of the cult of Nephren-Ka, = particularly since they seem to believe that some rather Pharoah-like = guy was some sort of divine being or something. Andrew D. 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- ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BEDAB4.1D718560-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:15:34 -0400 From: Bill Steinen Subject: Re: DG: Georgian Cult At 05:51 PM 7/30/99 -0400, you wrote: > Hmm. Has anyone seen anything on that Neo-Egyptian cult in Georgia? I >saw a brief tidbit on the news. The cult compound is a large, black >pyramid. I think these guys may be part of the cult of Nephren-Ka, >particularly since they seem to believe that some rather Pharoah-like guy >was some sort of divine being or something. Andrew D. Gable >gable@redrose.net "" "" There have been articles about them in the Atlanta newspaper a few times. Nothing really substantial about their beliefs or possible villainous activities or anything cool like that; the articles have focused on the problems they've been having with local authorities over zoning type violations. I'm keeping an eye on 'em, though, and will pass on any interesting information that comes along. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 00:47:44 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Music from the Ether Davide Mana schrieb: [ snip ] > The music-Nazi propaganda has on the other hand two interesting and > relevant points > > first - Nazis (and by extension K.) were more than willing to use the > degenerate arts of the enemy to further their plans. This has to be kept in > mind when characterizing the K. guys. > > second - they took the most popular music and bent it to their purposes. > Now, what about _now_? > There's some pretty sinister stuff going - and I do not mean just Marylin > Manson. > > Picture this: Celine Dion, Fourth Reich Valkirie. > You're right, Marylin Manson might be just too obvious. I see him more in the area of approved DG-friendlies from the entertainment industry like Iggy Pop and Johnny Cash. Rammstein might be too obvious as well, but on the other hand they are really working hard on making the style of Nazi-Propaganda hip again. Like in the video of that cover version of Depeche Mode's "Stripped" where they use original scenes from movies by Leni Riefenstahl. This might be Karotechias clever way to get the masses used to fascist culture or style. But I guess they [ and Manson as well ] are used by somebody as scapegoats. Just remember the hysteria after the Littleton - Massacre where many blamed bands from the darker side of the Rock'n'Roll business for causing such terrible things. But you might be right abous Mme Dion. She is one of the major players on popular music's light side, like M. Carey, the Backstreet Boy, W. Houston, B. Spears and so on and so on. It is these "artists" whose only message is to feel good. And most of them are just puppets on their producers strings. Now consider this: Many people listen to the radio for several hours everyday. All that reaches their ears and therefore their brains is the message to be happy, have a party, don't worry and so on and so on. And most people just listen to the radio while doing something else. This bypassing of the brain makes it much easier for these messages to reach the people's souls. Now this is definitely some way to keep the public quiet and relaxed. I guess the music industry is a good background for DG-scenarios, because the business with all the sex, drugs, boredom and the steady need for new experiences leading to experiments is definitely a good place to get in contact with the mythos. And then you're either an enemy of the mythos, a follower/ally or a victim. For me probable ENEMIES of the mythos are: Iggy Pop Well known Ex[?]-Junkie and therefore in my view a regular traveller in the Dreamlands. During his wild years he definitely got in contact or head of Y'Golonac. His obvious intelligence, his cynic attitude and his haunted eyes make me think of him as an enemy of the mythos. Johnny Cash Well, he dresses in Black that explains about everything. Tom Waits He's seen it all. He's survived. He's lost his voice. He's a survivor of mythos knowledge. FOLLOWERS/ALLIES of the Mythos: Garth Brooks For me Country music always seemed like one big mass [ sp? } in honor of Shub Niggurath. And Mr. Brooks added his celebration of Cthugha. [ He sang something about fire and burning, didn't he? ] Celine Dion / Britney Spears / Whitney Houston / and many, MANY more These chicks are definitely some kind of golem. Mick Jagger He's looking pretty young for his 115 years of age. Must be some kind of magic. He definitely uses mythos knowledge to keep himself look young and stay fertile. But we should relax. Anti Mythos Hero Keith Richards is keeping an eye on him for about 50 years. Victims of the Mythos: Elvis Presley Dead follower of Y'Golonac Sid Vicious Victim of Nancy Spungen, not very well known avatar of Nyarlathotep Shane MacGowan Not really a victim since he survived. But he seems only a shadow of his former self, lost most of his teeth and has become an utter cynic. ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:16:42 -0400 From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: Re: DG: Georgian Cult >At 05:51 PM 7/30/99 -0400, you wrote: >> Hmm. Has anyone seen anything on that Neo-Egyptian cult in Georgia? I >>saw a brief tidbit on the news. The cult compound is a large, black >>pyramid. I think these guys may be part of the cult of Nephren-Ka, >>particularly since they seem to believe that some rather Pharoah-like guy >>was some sort of divine being or something. Andrew D. Gable >>gable@redrose.net "" "" > >There have been articles about them in the Atlanta newspaper a few times. >Nothing really substantial about their beliefs or possible villainous >activities or anything cool like that; the articles have focused on the >problems they've been having with local authorities over zoning type >violations. I'm keeping an eye on 'em, though, and will pass on any >interesting information that comes along. Further to this, ABC news ran an article on them at the weekend. The group in question is called the "Nuwaubian Nation of Moors" and is based in a compound (or two?) in Eatonton, GA (Putnam county, about halfway between Augusta and Atlanta... which probably puts them about 20 miles from Macon at a rough guess). Seems to be the usual cult set up. Ex-criminal African American leader with multiple names, 40 foot high pyramids, alleged threatening behaviour towards other local residents, possession of automatic weapons (according to interviewed locals), arguments with the local council, and issuing their own "passports". The zoning problem Bill mentioned is something to do with them wanting to turn their compound into a tourist attraction (the pyramids etc. Personally, I'd have built it joust outside Memphis... but maybe that's a little corny), but it's in a designated residential zone and hence isn't available for commercial activities. Could be a front for Nyarly, but that seems a little obvious. Or maybe that's just what Mr. Alzis wants us to think. The ABC news article is available at: http://more.abcnews.go.com/onair/dailynews/wkd990725_osunsami_story.html (or something like that anyway... sometimes I can't read my own handwriting!) What with this and the Atlanta shootings, I'm starting to think that leaving London was a bad move. On second thoughts though, at least Yardie gangsters are somewhat rarer out here. Later Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V2 #15 *******************************