From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V2 #16 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Sunday, August 1 1999 Volume 02 : Number 016 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 09:35:51 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: Re: Containment Item From: Christopher D. Nichols: > ***** > Yellow Excellent! Oh, I wish my old friends in the computer game biz were on this list. BUT... > killer, and a troop of sideshw freaks, all appear - before the Other City 痴 > inhabitants arrive - including, a rag-cloaked thing (is it a man or a > corpse?), a brain in a box, > and a whispering shadow ...don't forget the Clockwork Child! > Many player begin to fixate on Yellow to the exclusion of all other hobbies, > in some cases up to the exclusion of eating, drinking, on moving to go to > the restroom. Sounds like some of the folks on this list, me included. ;-) > Interestingly, while produced by an American company, Yellow appears to have > a problem similar to the translation errors found in games translated from > Japanese markets. I think I may know what you mean, but not sure--could you provide an example? Do you mean odd grammar and word-choice? Terrific! I plan to spring it on my players--this is one of those great, subtle, going-on-in-the-background things. David Farnell -- Fukuoka, Japan "Ua mau ke ea o ka aina i ka pono." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:10:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Womack Subject: Re: DG: Re: Containment Item On Sat, 31 Jul 1999, David "ChaucerWatch" Farnell wrote: > From: Christopher D. Nichols: > > ***** > > Yellow > > Excellent! [...] [remaining kudos snipped] Excellent indeed, Mr. Nichols. As I read, I became more and more intrigued and captivated, thinking to myself "Okay, sounds like I finally need to break down and get m'self one of them there PlayStations." And then I hit the Mythos Tome stats and finally caught the clue I missed at the outset. Which is to say that (granted I'm tired and my wits aren't at their sharpest; nevertheless) your creation has the perfect touch of realism to be truly effective in a DG training simulation. Woe to those DG agents who, after a hard-faught victory over some Mythos nasty, finally return home only to discover their teenaged kids caught up, nay, utterly enthralled in this newest videogame craze... So let me add my kudos to the mix. Kudoi all around, I say. Chris Womack Keeper of the List oaktree@nocturne.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 14:06:31 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Meat, Slime and Bacteria [was DG: A new urban myth ] On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: > Yep, the silly fool thought of ghouls but reading my following posting > will explain to you that there was something awkward to that meat, > something different from the rotten meat I know from the corpses I've > seen in autopsies. This made the idea of Ghouls seem less appropriate to > me... Rather, an enterprising Ghoul entrepreneur selling Goop (TM) to be eaten, as Shakespeare might have put it in the original Klingon, "With a long spoon." Maybe some freaky German weirdos are trying to slip something into the diet of German Ghouls? A real life Diet of Worms... The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 14:15:13 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: DG: Unsafety Deposit Boxes On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 ScottSaylo@aol.com wrote: > How about a small shoggoth? a baby fungi from Yuggoth, a dead baby ghoul? > Surely there is a mythos critter that would do well to get the local DG > people called in. The question now becomes, "Why would anyone do such a thing?" The obvious answer, related to the Keepers' motivation, is to lure Delta Green into another untenable position, perhaps for ambush. I advise the old trick of circling back on your trail and setting up a counter ambush. A shootout in a bank vault (with bank collusion) could be a very memorable scene. Then again, maybe NWI owns the bank... Let's be careful out there, people... The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 15:11:19 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Possible Tie-In With Jerry's Kids? On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, Steven Kaye wrote: > Those Vatican bankers are up to their old tricks again, > as detailed in the latest issue of FORTUNE: > > http://cgi.pathfinder.com/fortune/1999/08/16/fat.html It's quite simple, Jerry's kids wanted to set up and take down a NWI wannabe, with as many of his NWI buddies as possible. As an added bonus, the money laundering performed by Frankel would be laundered into Jerome accounts. Classic Templar strategy. Kill 'em all and loot the bodies. Right now it looks like Martin Frankel, aka David Rosse, is either a NWI wannabe (or double agent) trying to get into NWI or a Templar infiltrator working for St. Jerome who is also trying to get into NWI. In any case Rosse/Frankel is currently "on the inside" as these digital images of him and Thalassa Chandler on her private yacht clearly show. Here's them lounging in bathing suits on the top deck. [click] Here's them cave diving into a Deep One temple that I wrecked in '84. [click] Here's them wondering why their satellite phones are getting so much static. Shame on you Kedwick. [click] Here's them, eating steak & lobster, among other fancy hoity-toity goodies. Note the false bordeux they are drinking, multispectrum analysis has not been able to identify the liquid. Which twists with left and right handed protein structures. These proteins invert back and forth like our computer model of the single surfaced Klien bottle that contains them. We'll try to get a sample for physical analysis later. Finally, here's them fucking like bunnies. Sorry about the hentai pixels. [click] Here's the uncensored version. Videos are available at the door for $29.95 American, $45.95 Canadian. Thank You all for attending this briefing. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 15:31:54 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Ressurection: BOT2 On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, Barry Hill wrote: > I took this up with pagan . i fail to see why ghouls would be involved > with any resurrection other than to use it as an easy way to get the > dead to walk to their temples rather than go to the trouble of carrying > them. the ghouls eat the dead - The same reason Curwen and Co. used it. So they could retain pick the brains of long dead sorcerers. *Ghoul* sorcerers. > they are their food and ghouls just wouldn't play with their food. They do in Keith Herber's Spawn of Azathoth. A sort of Voodoo Ghoul cult that raises zombies before chowtime. Makes for more SAN loss. > indeed to bring the dead back to life would be a complete anathema. Maybe for those purple robed freaks in Zul-Ba-Sair, but they are not the end all and be all of Ghoul society by any means. I understand that the Japanese and Californians eat raw fish. Not too many folks on Sardina would do that. Lots of Cafeteria Catholics (pick and choose what you like about religious practices) and Liberal Jews don't worry about Lent or Kosher very often. Anathema is in the eye of the beholder. > ghouls would be very anti any religion which promised the resurrection > of the dead and therefore are totally and eternally opposed to > christianity which makes such a promise. also of course christians > believe in the resurrection of the dead - it says so in the creed. If your assumptions are wrong (ghouls hate necromancy) and they are. Then these assertions based upon them are also false. Chistianity (which is actually too vague, try Protestants, Catholics, Lutherans, Mormons, etc etc.) might appeal to some Ghouls with the whole Eat of my Body stuff. If the "Jesus is Nyarlathotep" card is played, then a spell to make Transubstantiation quite literal could be included in the Dead Sea scrolls that those wacky Essenes wrote so long ago. Indeed, Nyarly might whip up a whole "old school" neo-christian revival that includes all those spells designed to mock Christianity. The Man in Black is : on his knees, YA GOT TO PRAY-UH BROTHER~! AMEN! Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 15:39:32 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: More Kennedy Weirdness On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, Davide Mana wrote: > This has just been broadcast by the national news service - a team of > Peruvian shamans has performed today a special ritual by the sea for the > souls of the latest dead Kennedy and his two female companions. > With chants, ritual immersion of Kennedy family pictures and other such > "pre-incaic" practices, the shamans asked the sea spirits (hmmmmm), or the > sea itself to let go of the souls of John K. & co. - that have been so far > held captive under the waves. Cthulhu Cult or other? Probably the Big C. but what if they were trying to capture a soul or two for use in the Deep One trade? > Also, apparently the market quotation of Johnny's pad in New York City have > been going up these last few days. > According to the newsman, there's a lot of people interested in purchasing > John Kennedy's last terrene home. > Most of them ghouls, or so the news said. Probably Cliomancers. Alzis will get it first. Then I'll burn it down for my usual reasonable fee, after the fixtures and furniture have been removed, increasing the cliomantic value. Just more dirt on the Stupid Gay God. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 15:43:48 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: DG: SLANG On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, Jimmie Bise, Jr. wrote: > I like that. So let's add that one to the slang hopper. I'm thinking > that somewhere in our last few discussions would be some useful slang > terms, such as: You can't "make up slang" like Albino Fleabag tries to do. It has to develop naturally, like pidgin languages and regional accents. This means it moves kinda slow. I am against the idea of a slang Esperanto. The Man in Black is : headed for a RHINO meatpile of witches Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 16:17:31 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: St. Jerome activity On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Davide Mana wrote: > Option 3 - this is the first step in a campaign to expose the existence, > and later the activities of the Order, as a first step in an all-out > elimination attempt. The guy's a pretender trying to rise the holiest stink > possible, so that St. Jerome is dragged screaming in the spotlight. If this guy shows up in the Caribbean he gets a nice view of the ocean bottom - and the bottom feeders. He should be using Swiss bankage so involvement in NWI related stuff might be a long branch away from the Carribbean case. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 16:35:43 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Reefer Madness! On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Phil A Posehn wrote: > Could this have something to do with the Navajo nation having planted > 10,000 acres of hemp for textile and paper production??? > http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/daily/detail/0,1136,20500000000105626,00. > html > thrives, by someday dusting suspected areas with a marijuana-eating, > soil-borne fungus called Fusarium oxysporum. The fungus, a bioherbicide > engineered specifically to attack plants like marijuana, is otherwise > harmless, said the Montana company, Ag/Bio Con., that developed it. Let's examine the facts. 1) The Florida Office of Drug Control is using a bioherbicide made by Ag/Bio Con to eat Marijuana. History shows us that there aren't all that many instances of introduced species improving the local environment. Accelerated Evolution is not understood by humans enough to have a place in our technology. 2) The Navajo nation (presumably other Indian nations will follow suit) harvests hemp for legal purposes. Illegal purposes will undoubtedly follow. Trouble with hippie poachers after budz, internal corruption etc. 3) The Mi-Go are fungal in nature. Majestic-12 is easily manipulated by the Fungi from Yuggoth. They will insert themselves into this matter. 4) Florida is a very High Crime state. Haitian prison refugees, Crips and Bloods, Latino distributors, drug-lawyers, swamps, hurricane zone, Caribbean off shore bankers, all of these might have an interest in retaining or deleting Mary Jane. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 16:38:41 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Music from the German Ether On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Davide Mana wrote: > While it was condemned as "degenerate music", jazz occupied a central > position in the Nazi propaganda machine, and was also highly popular in > Germany (as a heritage from the '20s, probably). See the movie "Swing Kids." The Man in Black is : recovering the body of Nick Nightingale. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 23:08:05 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Ressurection: BOT2 The Man in Black schrieb: [snip] > If your assumptions are wrong (ghouls hate necromancy) and they are. Then > these assertions based upon them are also false. Chistianity (which is > actually too vague, try Protestants, Catholics, Lutherans, Mormons, etc > etc.) might appeal to some Ghouls with the whole Eat of my Body stuff. The "Eat of my Body stuff" is still seen very literally be the Catholic church. In their official Cathechism [sp?] from 1993 they still write that during the Eucharistic celebration "[...] Bread and Wine become Body and Blood of Christ by the Words of Chris and the calling [ summoning? ] of the Holy Ghost". Though this sounds like coming from some occult tomb it is part of their dogma. And if Bread and Wine become the Body and Blood of Christ this Catholic ritual is basically an act of cannibalism or "ghoulism". This could lead to the theory that the Catholic church has been built upon an ancient cannibal-cult or it may have even been founded by ghouls. > > If the "Jesus is Nyarlathotep" card is played, then a spell to make > Transubstantiation quite literal could be included in the Dead Sea scrolls > that those wacky Essenes wrote so long ago. Indeed, Nyarly might whip up a > whole "old school" neo-christian revival that includes all those spells > designed to mock Christianity. Probably one should think about playing the "Jesus is Mordiggian" card. ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 23:26:13 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Reefer Madness! Good Evening. Two things on the topic of hemp/marijuana: 1. A swiss company that produces cushions filled with herbs is now selling a new product: A cushion filled with hemp. The hemp they used has enough THC to make it a pleasant smoking experience. Now many Germans and Austrians travel to Switzerland not to buy watches, chocolate, knifes or cheese, but to buy swiss cushions. 2. German courts normally do not punish the possesion of mariujana if it is an amount that is typically used for personal consumption [ and not for trade ]. Strangely the amount of just how much you can own legally differs widely: In Hamburg a judge ruled that 6 pounds are just enough for personal use, while Bavarian courts tend to say that everything above 0,01 pound is a critical amount. ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 22:58:14 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: St. Jerome activity How many of you guys have read "Flicker"? This book has a cult called: The Orphans of the Storm", which to all appearance is a Catholic order supporting orphanages all over the world. In reality they are the Knights Templar survivors of the Crusade against the Templars and the Albigensians. They have used suggestion and meditation techniques depending upon the flicker rate of movies (and very ancient camera obscura lore as well) They have used this flicker phenomena to override mental conditioning since many hundreds of years before the invention of the camera. In the book a young movie critic becomes enamored of a little known silent movie maker who made several cult classic horror movies. As the book progresses (it has a span of 25-30 years) he uncovers a monstrous plot to cause the human race to let itself die out by the implanting of suggestion and mood alteration. The consp[iracy is world wide, ancient, diabolical, manipulative, underhanded and ruthless - all the goodies we like in conspiracies - but it has no mythos link. That is one thing we could probably provide it without too much collective effort. I heartily recommend the book, I will dig out my copy and post the author's name (Rozak , aint't the internet wonderful) Review comments Bill McLeese (wmcleese@yahoo.com) from Brussels, Belgium , February 4, 1999 A Brilliant Satire Let me join the chorus of praise for this outstanding satirical novel which I discovered on a dusty used paperback shelf (I agree that the cover of the mass market paperback is awful). Perhaps a bit longer than it needed to be, but filled with insight, humor, surprises and memorable characters. Let's hope that this and Roszak's other works of fiction are back in print soon. - --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title. Giles R.H. Duke (duke@twics.com) from Tokyo, Japan , December 22, 1998 Great book, ghastly cover This book (the English version) was rated "No. 1 Mystery/Thriller of 1998" by Japanese book critics. And it certainly deserves it. Mike Harper (harpers@erols.com) from Virginia, USA , May 28, 1998 Flicker is a great piece of literature. Flicker is simultaneously compelling, disturbing, hallucinogenic, hypnotic and altogether different than any other book which I've read. The wordcraft is lucid and rich; you want to keep reading not merely to advance the plot but because the quality of the writing is so luxuriant that it demands indulgence. The plot, though ludicrous, seems perfectly plausible in the hands of Roszak. If you are a student of film or Catholic or a fan of thrillers it would be impossible for me to recommend Flicker too highly. It may be the best novel I've ever read. JohnGlor@aol.com from USA , January 9, 1998 Excellent book for conspiracy lovers and movie lovers! While it's curretnly out-of-print, this well-written novel about a film fan's obsession with the long lost movies of direcotr Max Castle is a real gem. What does our hero find? Darkness lies behind the light on the screen... A reader from Belgium , December 17, 1997 Flicker is a mesmerizing tour de force At college they made me read the works of Roszak as a philosopher and they bored me. So I had my doubts of Roszak as a writer of fiction. And boy, was I suprised. Flicker is a real tour de force. When you like films, you will love this ecclectic tale. This maybe the best book I ever read. This book has the status of Eco's 'Foucault's pendulum' and 'The Quincunx' from Charles Pallisher. Movies will never be the same after you read Flicker. Your eyes wander across the screen looking for the flicker. There's only one man who can make Flicker work in Hollywood: Max Castle. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 00:44:08 -0400 From: becole@juno.com Subject: Re: DG: A question for the DG Gun Fondlers (TM) Having just come from a fresh viewing of the vast archive of material at the Ice Cave (impressive... most impressive) I can't help but notice that several ideas for the effects of Glaser Safety Slugs were tossed around (as far as game interpretation) but other that some ideas on extra die of damage, there wasn't any sense of agreement. Anyone have a GSS damage interpretation they have developed that has survived play? I understand this question is just a little out of date, but off-list response would be fine if bandwidth becomes a concern. I did find it alarming to read all those good pointers and not one reference to the "Great Equalizer".......Hydro-static shock. And...in a vain attempt to keep this relevant to list discussion within the last two weeks, let's say you are caught in a situation where your players have only single-man portable firearms (no melee weapons, other than what they were born with, and no access to heavier weaponry--such as Rockets, Missiles, Recoiless Rifles, etcetera) and are confronted with ghouls (Arabian, standard, Mordigg..something or other, or people heading for their first coffee fix of the day), seeing as how a ghoul is already dead and therefore can be assumed to not care if it's spleen, heart, lungs, etcetera are working, how useful would firearms really be (damage wise)? Of course, I'm excepting the natural Gun Fondler's (TM) response of "Shoot the Fu@kers 'til they ain't nuthin' but pieces!" Does anyone have any in-house rules on this sort of situation? Damage variants? Lastly, does anyone on this diversified list dive professionally? (Referring here to deeper than recreational dives, preferably sub 500') If not, has anyone ever researched this for CoC means and what materials would you recommend? (I have checked with PADI and the Department of the Navy so far). -B ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:49:57 +0900 (JST) From: ft203004@fsinet.or.jp (Jay and Mikiko ) Subject: Re: DG: SLANG >You can't "make up slang" like Albino Fleabag tries to do. It has to >develop naturally, like pidgin languages and regional accents. This means >it moves kinda slow. I am against the idea of a slang Esperanto. Are you by any chance aware of the origin of the word 'quiz'? The -- possibly apocryphal -- story is that a fellow decided that you could make new words simply by using them. I can't recall whether a bet was involved or not, but he basically went around pasting up signs with the word 'quiz' on it -- no explanation, no definition, no nuttin'. People gave it their own definition, which was likely something like 'a mystery, a conundrum' and then over the years the meaning shifted. Anyway, that's the story we got in linguistics class. If I had an Oxford English Dictionary, I could see what the "official" origin story is. In other stories of spontaneous language creation, we have my efforts to irritate my wife, who is not a native English speaker. Every now and then I use a nonsense word with compltely fictitious definition (e.g. grimshnak: a type of upright, right-hand-opening refrigerator). Why she hasn't knifed me in my sleep I do not know. Jay - ------------------------------------------ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." Dave Barry, _Twenty-five Things I have Learned in Fifty Years_ - ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 01:05:17 -0400 From: Greg Muir Subject: Re: DG: Ressurection: BOT2 > > The "Eat of my Body stuff" is still seen very literally be the Catholic church. > In their official Cathechism [sp?] from 1993 they still write that during the > Eucharistic celebration "[...] Bread and Wine become Body and Blood of Christ by > the Words of Chris and the calling [ summoning? ] of the Holy Ghost". Though > this sounds like coming from some occult tomb it is part of their dogma. This sort of stuff has already been covered before. I read a short story where a priest who was inducted into a secret order within the Catholic hierarchy discovered just how literally the Blood of Christ is taken. (Think the Reverend Lestat.) I've borrowed the idea a bit in a story I'm working on with a holy order of vampires. I think the most disconcerting thing about their appearance is their obvious vamparism mixed with a big wooden cross worn around the neck. What makes things even more interesting is their proficiency with clerical magick, a descendant of more traditional kabbalistic techniques. They literally practice transubstantiation and the blood of Christ literally becomes blood, thus they don't have to resort to animals and people for eats. > And if Bread and Wine become the Body and Blood of Christ this Catholic ritual is > basically an act of cannibalism or "ghoulism". This could lead to the theory that > the Catholic church has been built upon an ancient cannibal-cult or it may have > even been founded by ghouls. > > > > > If the "Jesus is Nyarlathotep" card is played, then a spell to make > > Transubstantiation quite literal could be included in the Dead Sea scrolls > > that those wacky Essenes wrote so long ago. Indeed, Nyarly might whip up a > > whole "old school" neo-christian revival that includes all those spells > > designed to mock Christianity. > > Probably one should think about playing the "Jesus is Mordiggian" card. > Or throw everyone for a loop and insist Jesus is the Brain. "That's stupid!" Ever see the two of them in the same room? :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 01:12:12 -0400 From: Greg Muir Subject: Re: DG: A question for the DG Gun Fondlers (TM) > And...in a vain attempt to keep this relevant to list discussion > within the last two weeks, let's say you are caught in a situation where > your players have only single-man portable firearms (no melee weapons, > other than what they were born with, and no access to heavier > weaponry--such as Rockets, Missiles, Recoiless Rifles, etcetera) and are > confronted with ghouls (Arabian, standard, Mordigg..something or other, > or people heading for their first coffee fix of the day), seeing as how a > ghoul is already dead and therefore can be assumed to not care if it's > spleen, heart, lungs, etcetera are working, how useful would firearms > really be (damage wise)? Of course, I'm excepting the natural Gun > Fondler's (TM) response of "Shoot the Fu@kers 'til they ain't nuthin' but > pieces!" Does anyone have any in-house rules on this sort of situation? > Damage variants? Based on the Green fiction it appears Ghouls are roughly biological. Yes, they are supernatural in many ways, but they still have corporeal bodies (most of the time), they can bleed, and they can die. This would put them on a quasi-biological setting, same as with a traditional fantasy dragon. I'd say blowing big enough holes in them should do the job nicely. In Alien Intelligence an assault rifle seemed to be fairly effective on Ghouls, assuming the shooter had time to place a few rounds on target. > > Lastly, does anyone on this diversified list dive professionally? > (Referring here to deeper than recreational dives, preferably sub 500') > If not, has anyone ever researched this for CoC means and what materials > would you recommend? (I have checked with PADI and the Department of the > Navy so far). Well, your biggest problem is anti-Deep One gear. Somehow I doubt PADI would have the details for that. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 11:35:31 +0200 From: "Florian R. Hanke" Subject: Re: DG: SLANG Jay and Mikiko wrote: > Every now > and then I use a nonsense word with compltely fictitious definition (e.g. > grimshnak: a type of upright, right-hand-opening refrigerator). Why she > hasn't knifed me in my sleep I do not know. She's too subtle: Have you ever wondered why the japanese guys you hang out with laugh their heads off when you're using the word for: a type of fish that is eaten through your nose? ;-) Regards, Florian Hanke ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 11:42:06 +0200 From: "Florian R. Hanke" Subject: Re: DG: A question for the DG Gun Fondlers (TM) becole@juno.com wrote: > Lastly, does anyone on this diversified list dive professionally? Only as an amateur - but what do you want to know? Maybe also the physics brains on this list could help. Regards, Florian Hanke ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 11:52:32 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: Flickers [was Re: DG: St. Jerome activity] Greetings. This is another of those sincronicity things that can either amuse or bug you but you simply can't ignore. Scott wrote.... >How many of you guys have read "Flicker"? [snip!] One of the greatest finds in my life - I re-read it on a regular basis and it's as creepy as they come. I'd place it in my "twenty most influential reads" list without esitations. [note - Roszak also wrote the memories of Elizabeth Frankenstein, retelling the monster story from the point of view of the manipulative and highly sensual half-sister/bride of the Baron. Nice, but a big let down after the promise of "Flicker"] >In the book a young movie critic becomes enamored of a little known silent >movie maker who made several cult classic horror movies. As the book >progresses (it has a span of 25-30 years) he uncovers a monstrous plot to >cause the human race to let itself die out by the implanting of suggestion >and mood alteration. Here's where the sincronicity begins. I was about to post this one to mr McFadden alone - as it deals with one of our favourite obsessions (hi, Mark!) - but in the light of Scott's post it now has list relevance. So.... Yesterday afternoon, during one of my usual bookstore rampages, I uncovered a cheap and well preserved edition of "Buio in Sala" (Darkness in the Hall). Written in 1987 by film theory teacher Gian Piero Brunetta, the book is an anthropological study of the evolution of the cinemagoer, tracing the development of "Homo cinematographicus" from the first Lumiere screenings to the rebirth of cineclubs in the late '80s after the years of passive and "onanistic" TV-dom. The book focuses not only on what's running on the screen, but also on other elements such as the communal cinematographic experience (why are croewded cinemas better to enjoy certain movies?), the shape and disposition of seats, sound systems (Dolby? Why Dolby?), etc. The idea crawling through the book is that cinematic experiences count just as any other event in the natural selection path humanity is following. In other words, going to the movies makes you different - if not genetically, in terms of thought patterns "determining a particular intellectual and emotional geography" - from the other human beings. In the not-so-long run, this has an effect on the evolution of the species - - and it can be fast, as it's effecting the highly plastic human brain, and is bombarding it with tons of concentrated and highly varied experiences. Movies change your life, and that of your descendants. But there's something more. Brunetta has spent the last ten years researching a follow-up to "Buio in sala", tracing the development of an "iconaut culture" in Europe - a culture of the image as opposed to one of the spoken or written word. According to the guy, a language of images is today available to us through the efforts of artists through the centuries - from the Caves of Altamira through the Reinassance painters up to Howard Hawks. In a previous, sadly deleted book, Brunetta had already analyzed the war waged by Italian intellectuals against movies, in terms of a book vs. film conflict. The whole Brunetta opus hints therefore at a secret history of entertainment, in which audiences have been (unwittingly?) manipulated to the point of effecting the development of the whole species. And from the list of references, Brunetta is not the only one thinking along these lines. "Flicker" stuff all right. So, put "Flicker" and Brunetta & co. and John Tynes' "Dream factory" scenario together in a cauldron (or in a film procedssing bath?) stir gently and you get the impression that something both highly interesting and foundamentally sinister is slouching towards Hollywood to be born. Will they ever publish a "Cthulhu Guidebook to Tinseltown"? They should. And here I stop for the time being - having cancelled my plans for a movie this afternoon, I'll have to find something else to do. Take care. Davide Mana Still has a crush for Louise Brooks Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:36:00 +0100 From: Barry Hill Subject: DG: ghouls the geneses of ghouls -possible history: all ghouls and ghuls have the same ancestory but are as different as zebras and horses . all cultures have a history of were creatures based on the dominant preditor of the area -n. europe the werewolf, s. america the werejaguar, india the weretiger etc. in arabia and egypt it was the werehyena. the hyena was originally believed to be half cat , half dog - and modern science confirms that indeed it does lie somewhere between the two . so a cot goddess of egypt none other than bast , or bubastis decided to be creative with this creature [ the cat is a foul animal able to communicate with the dead ] . her priests were converted to werehyenas and so became able to survive death . notice how some people can change to ghouls before death and others become resurrected as ghouls? the ghoul therefore has a canine face, and eats the dead. because the cult was so foul it was ejected from ancient egypt in early roman times or even before. and set sail to cornwall in s england where the egyptians had set up trade for the cornish tin. even now ancient temples to the ghoul goddess bubastis can be found in cornwall [ i think this is from a story by brian lumley but i cannot find it now - someone out there will know it ] to try to stamp out this cult christ came to cornwall with his uncle joseph of arithamere [ spelling probably wildly wrong- check it youself] he failed but some ghouls felt deserted by bubatis and converted to the worship of mordiggian . this branch florished better and in the 1600's managed to spread to the new world with columbus having spread back to spain but being tracked down by the inquisition wanted to move out . as well as moving from egypt to cornwall other members of the ghoul cult set out accross the great ocean seeking atlantis but found s america. here they quickly became involved in the indians religions and soon all priests from yucatan south were in fact ghouls and their temples are still found in french guinana. much of the religion of thet continent was ghoul based which is why it was so thoroughly destroyed by the spanish who had followed the ghouls there . i also add now because i like the idea put forward here recently that the true reason for the persecution by the spanish catholics was because catholisism was itself based on a branch of ghoul cults which promised resurrection of the dead but as ghouls by eating flesh and drinking blood . \Barry Hill. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:37:13 +0100 From: Barry Hill Subject: Re: DG: Re: Ressurection: BOT2 Javier R write >>of course christians believe in the resurrection of the dead - it says >>>so in the creed. > ---But *not* in their bodies! (it worked so just for Jesus, Lazarus >and maybe a couple others). _>'of course in their bodies- whos' bodies else -the idea is that the body lies in the grave or the sea until the resurrection of the dead - then we all come back in our resurrected bodies [ well not me as i've not been good ]. But if if not in our bodies can i have a choice ? i -d like to come back in cher's body - \Barry Hill. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:39:22 +0100 From: Barry Hill Subject: DG: deep ones' zombies having gone to the trouble of looking it up i still managed to spell adipocere wrong- sorry \Barry Hill. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:58:08 -0400 From: becole@juno.com Subject: Re: DG: A question for the DG Gun Fondlers (TM) On Sun, 01 Aug 1999 11:42:06 +0200 "Florian R. Hanke" writes: > >Only as an amateur - but what do you want to know? Maybe also the >physics >brains on this list could help. I am not looking for anything as specific as Boyle's Law, or equations on blood volume by pressure (sounded good, didn't it?) However, if someone has a good chart indicating visibility versus depth (PADI has one, in theory, but their site is never up) or something indicating how much time a diver would have with how much Oxygen/Nitrogen, a good web site for deep diving suits, or even just the name of a good book that looks at these things would be cool as well. Primarily though, all of these questions should be addressed with the idea of a dive in excess of 500-700 feet below sea level. -B ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:37:52 EDT From: USFORREC1@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: SLANG In a message dated 7/31/99 3:49:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mib@cyberspace.org writes: << You can't "make up slang" like Albino Fleabag tries to do. It has to develop naturally, like pidgin languages and regional accents. This means it moves kinda slow. I am against the idea of a slang Esperanto. >> Again, I have to agree with the MIB for the above reason and here's a few more thoughts on the subject that Keepers can use for flavor or tradecraft. DG would have a problem creating a bunch of specialized slang within the group because there isn't very much large-scale involvement between the cells. The cells only operate together rarely and any slang developed by one group wouldn't really have the chance to be passed on and grow. The few terms that would develop would be a handful of operational terms (like Night at the Opera) used by A cell and a few terms that would be adopted from pop culture or society at large. A good example of the later is Men in Black for NRO agents. Its in large scale useage amongst UFO & Conspiracy groups (who are attempting to deal with the same subject as DG) and has become culturally widespread due to the influence of things such as X-files and the Men in Black movie. It is a more natural adoption. What slang that did develop would be probably in use by a cell and their contacts alone. I would allow the players to develop this on their own based on their own experiences and perceptions and not force it. Certain cells will develop slang based upon the focus of their campaigns. A Karotechia-heavy campaign would feature slang directed at them and less for say DOs, and so on. Now this can add some real flavor to a campaign when cells interact, as local slang will conflict and contrast (one group would have X name for deep ones and another group another, a group that never encountered a certain group or diety might be confused by another groups, and so on). The slang would need some catalyst to grow beyond this local useage. As inside jokes or sly references to your players, movie or music references would work, but realistically, it would have to be a larger item to grow within the group as a whole. References to Blair Witch or Jazz can work for a group but a probably a bit too underground for the likes of an average DG agent. A second factor is that DG agents come from the three groups that have the highest amount of lingo/slang/ect already. Many of the situations that a DG agent encounters already have some counterpart in this already. Bringing into useage existing slang is more realistic than developing their own. Also, underground groups that want to remain underground tend to develop just a few terms to denote a handful of special circumstances and hide them, not proliferate them. A RW example is the homosexual underground. These are people who don't want their nature discovered. Instead of using a bunch of jargon that draws more attention to them, they have a handful of phrases (usually ones that can be conviently hidden in a conversation) to get a message across. Beyond that, there is no need and little new slang develops. Once this slang is discovered, they usually switch terminology to obscure the message. (Cults and the like, falling into the same category, would probably have a few specialized phrases, though, too and a handful of cult-specific terms can again add flavor). A third factor is Operational Security. The more of a slang base developed and put into useage, the greater the risk of exposure for DG. FBI profilers examine speech patterns and letters for lingo specific to a given region or a specific group. Personally, I still use a considerable amount of military-slang that I picked up unconsciously and this is supposedly the norm. once a term gets into a wider useage, it will slip out at the office or wherever. Once it is discovered by groups like MJ, they can keep an ear out for its useage. Cells could be discovered just by using the lingo to often (again, this can lead to some scenario threads). Well, just some rants on the subject, - -Dave K ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V2 #16 *******************************