From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V2 #17 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Monday, August 2 1999 Volume 02 : Number 017 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:45:05 +0100 From: Barry Hill Subject: DG: ghouls-II ok- full marks to all who spotted this weeks deliberate mistake. Columbus was 1451-1506 not 1600's. a typing error . but whilst i am on the topic perhaps a little more drtail .he discovered the islands around the caribbean and they were then infected with ghouls - the word carib meant cannibal. his main involvement seems to have been in haiti and in 1500 was sent back to spain in chains by the governor - was this because of his involvement with the ghouls already establishing themselves on the island? certainly ghouls have remained well established on haiti leading to the religion of voodoo which of course shows the connection with the catholic church again . the ghoul priests were to become the bokor teaching shapeshifting [ to werewolves ] and the control of zombies. they are also seen as greater zombies themselves - or zuvembies-see robert e howard's 'pigeons from hell'. \Barry Hill. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 18:38:22 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: A question for the DG Gun Fondlers (TM) Greetings. B wrote > I am not looking for anything as specific as Boyle's Law, or >equations on blood volume by pressure (sounded good, didn't it?) However, >if someone has a good chart indicating visibility versus depth (PADI has >one, in theory, but their site is never up) Looks like the kind of thing I should know. So.... Light has a reduced penetration power through water, and decreases geometrically (IIRC). I do not have a chart handy as the actual depth depends on too many factors. Theoretically the maximum penetration depth should be between 100 and 200 meters, depending on water turbidity, hour of day and time of year. Note that 200 meters is the maximum _in ideal conditions_, but in most cases, the maximum light penetration depth is more like 60 meters. Under that, you're in the dark. > Primarily though, all of >these questions should be addressed with the idea of a dive in excess of >500-700 feet below sea level. See above. Can you let me know _where_ you are planning the dive? I might be able to come up with something more specific. Take care. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:41:46 -0400 From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: Re: DG: A question for the DG Gun Fondlers (TM) >Anyone have a GSS damage interpretation they have developed that has >survived >play? The Cthulhu Now suggestion of simply adding +4 to all damage rolls, but having it dink (half damage before penetration) off body armour always worked for me (Yes. Thick skin counts as body armour), although this works best if used in combination with the hit location tables. 'Course, the _real_ advantage for GSS is the way they mess with forensic investigations (go ahead, try and put the bullet back together to get a ballistic match). > I did find it alarming to read all those good pointers and not one >reference to the "Great Equalizer".......Hydro-static shock. Factoring that in can get unwieldy in game situations. Short of bringing out trauma medicine textbooks in the course of resolving a firefight, I'm not sure that the effects of HSS are predictable. If you really want to simulate it, you could call for luck rolls and rule that critical failure results in HSS. That's off the top of my head though. >seeing as how a >ghoul is already dead and therefore can be assumed to not care if it's >spleen, heart, lungs, etcetera are working, how useful would firearms >really be (damage wise)? Not sure about ghouls being "dead". I put them as alive, but not quite human anymore. Physically, they can still be taken out by conventional means, but (assuming that death isn't instantaneous) may be able to mentally escape into the dreamlands after having their corporeal body seriously mangled. Mind you, this isn't to say they are easy to kill... shoot a ghoul in the heart and it may be able to keep moving for a couple of minutes and rip you to shreds out of sheer malice. I side with the fondlers on the use of serious full autofire on the suckers. Deliver enough trauma to them and they drop. Anyhow. Enough from me. Graeme (Repeating the mantra: I'm not a fondler. I'm not a fondler.) graemep@immag.mcg.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:11:02 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: DG: Light Summer Reading Greetings. I was looking around for new additions to the Freebies page of the Cave, and stumbled on another of those little gems that the Brits are the best at producing. While you wait for the next update, you can go and check this RPG-related light reading http://www.criticalmiss.com/current/index.html It includes a conspiracy-oriented scenarioid. Enjoy yourselves! Davide Mana DG Ice Delivery Boy PS: I confess that what convinced me was the "Cyborg Commando" review ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:57:21 EDT From: DHammann@aol.com Subject: Re: Flickers [was Re: DG: St. Jerome activity] >>the book is an anthropological study of the evolution of the cinemagoer<< - -that is not surprising, I could tell that the Orphans in FLICKERS were a satire of Rudolf Steiner's Anthroposophy Society (a German gnostic and Christian mysticism group that split from the Theosophy Society right before WWI) and the orphanages and schools were based somewhat on Steiner's orphanages and schools, and the main headquarters for both were in the same area in Switzerland. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:20:28 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: Re: DG: Unsafety Deposit Boxes Why so obvious? The old 10 lb carp works just fine! Phil Posehn On Sat, 31 Jul 1999 14:15:13 -0400 (EDT) The Man in Black writes: >On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 ScottSaylo@aol.com wrote: > >> How about a small shoggoth? a baby fungi from Yuggoth, a dead baby >ghoul? >> Surely there is a mythos critter that would do well to get the local >DG >> people called in. > >The question now becomes, "Why would anyone do such a thing?" The >obvious >answer, related to the Keepers' motivation, is to lure Delta Green >into >another untenable position, perhaps for ambush. I advise the old trick >of >circling back on your trail and setting up a counter ambush. A >shootout in >a bank vault (with bank collusion) could be a very memorable scene. >Then >again, maybe NWI owns the bank... > >Let's be careful out there, people... > >The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins >Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum >Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. >http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:40:40 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: Flickers [was Re: DG: St. Jerome activity] In a message dated 8/1/99 2:55:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, doctor.dee@iol.it writes: << The idea crawling through the book is that cinematic experiences count just as any other event in the natural selection path humanity is following. In other words, going to the movies makes you different - if not genetically, in terms of thought patterns "determining a particular intellectual and emotional geography" - from the other human beings. In the not-so-long run, this has an effect on the evolution of the species - and it can be fast, as it's effecting the highly plastic human brain, and is bombarding it with tons of concentrated and highly varied experiences. Movies change your life, and that of your descendants. >> and also, <> When in the throes of writing film criticism, I sometimes refer to the "vocabulary" of cinema. What are the visual cues that tell us that this is a flashback, this is happening simultaneously at another location, this is a dream sequence, this is a brief fantasy etc etc etc. And yea verily, what are the cues that fool us into believing Mentos commercials are European. But here is the crux of the matter. Why do we need these conventions? Because we tell stories in new ways now. Does anyone remember a flashback sequence in the tales of the Brothers Grimm? Hans Christian Anderson? How about Greek, Norse, Christian yada yada mythology? Everything is told in a linear manner, one thing happens after another. The original movies were essentially filmed stage plays, the camera was static and framed like a proscenium. I saw Highlander with some people who were cinematically challenged; they couldn't follow the story because "it kept jumping around". The smooth transitions from past to present and back left them behind. They couldn't interpret the signals. Highlander for chissake! I felt a profound pity for them, they are ill-equipped for the present and woefully unprepared for the future. Imagine them trying to decipher The Usual Suspects or The Spanish Prisoner. And note how complacent we are with the ease in which we find enjoyment in this fare. I consider Bram Stoker's Dracula (and I do mean BRAM STOKER's Dracula) to be a critical milestone in the revolution in storytelling. A novel told in diary entries, and some of those gramophone recordings! Victorians would gather in sold-out theaters to hear Dracula read aloud by actors taking the parts of the diarists. A pre-radio radio play. Gothic literature in general was a major influence, with it's recurring theme of the past affecting the present in an interactive transaction. The invention of the flashback, though usually presented as a dream or vision. Watching cinema is an interactive experience at even the grossest physical level. A collection of static images flickers before us, and because of the persistence of vision we transform it into a semblance of motion. We are the connection between the flickering still pictures that bring them to life. John Dykstra (the camera wizard that made 2001 and Star Wars viable) invented a new camera system that intrigues the hell out of me. He uses a custom film stock to capture a bigger image than ever before. Further, he captures more still images per second than anything else in use. Sort of slo-mo filming displayed in realtime. A normal film sequence of a man hitting a golf ball would show the ball as a white streak in the individual frames. With Dyksta's system, you would clearly see the ball in each frame, with enough resolution to see the individual dimples of the golfball in motion. In realtime. The really interesting thing they discovered is that human beings can't take that much visual stimulation for long. At this stage of our evolution, we can only stand about 5 minutes of it. But I'm betting we'll get better at it. Our kids certainly will. So what does this all have to do with DG? What do you want, a smoking gun? Hollywood is just too big to get a handle on. I don't think it's Mythos dominated any more than I think it's DG friendly. It's the ocean, and all of us are swimming in it. It is either shaping our evolution, or it is an artifact of that evolution. In any case, it's got a budget to rival the Pentagon's and has a bigger influence on the world's perception of America than our foreign policy ever will. History is written by the winners, and so is the mini-series. Hollywood is the battleground in the fight for hearts and minds. "Hollywood is run by a bunch of Liberals with a secret socialist agenda". Uh huh. Like Ronald Reagan, former president of the Screen Actor's Guild? Or Charlton (Moses says, "Buy more guns") Heston ? Be careful of those all-encompassing judgements, the devil (or at least The Toe-Tapper) is in the details. The JFK assassination had finally settled down into a comfortable Internet niche until Oliver Stone stirred things up. Note how fast all the print media failed to judge JFK as a movie, and instead devoted their energies to pooh-poohing the possibility of a conspiracy? My favorite was the pages devoted to cribbing from the SINGLE SOLITARY writer that "explains" the Magic Bullet as plain 'ol everyday vanilla ballistics. That book has spawned an army of Newsgroup writers that smarmily tell everyone to read the book and forget all this silly conspiracy stuff. Nothing happened, see, it's in a book. Case closed. The primate need for certitude instinctively rears it's ugly head. I wouldn't plan on any scenarios with the goal of ridding Tinseltown of Mythos influence. Ain't gonna happen. Cut off one head and two will take it's place. Besides, you might be shooting a potential friendly. You just can't tell. DG is all about containment, Hollywood is all about the exact opposite. Hollywood is (apparently) all about spending gazillions to produce flickering entertainment. Spare no expense. We don't question for a moment James Cameron's need to actually film the wreck of the Titanic on the bottom of the ocean, for sequences in a movie that reproduces the very same imagery through CGI. So long as it made money, nothing is too extreme. Mark McFadden Cinema is the most totalitarian of the arts. All energy and sensation is sucked up into the skull, a cerebral erection, skull bloated with blood. Caligula wished a single neck for all his subjects that he could behead a kingdom with one blow. Cinema is this transforming agent. The body exists for the sake of the eyes; it becomes a dry stalk to support these two soft insatiable jewels. James Douglas Morrison ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:29:03 -0500 From: Joseph Camp Subject: Re: Flickers [was Re: DG: St. Jerome activity] Scott Saylor wrote: >The consp[iracy is world wide, ancient, diabolical, >manipulative, underhanded and ruthless - all the goodies we like in >conspiracies - but it has no mythos link. Actually, there is a slight one. You may recall the conspiracy-minded projectionist at the art house cinema where the protagonist meets his future lover. The projectionist rattles on about the Templars, and mentions the Necronomicon in passing as being connected to their alleged adoration of Baphomet and so forth. The Templars bring us to the filmic conspiracy of the orphans, and on we go. be seeing you, Alphonse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:46:35 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: Flickers [was Re: DG: St. Jerome activity] In a message dated 8/1/99 11:31:35 PM Central Daylight Time, alphonse@delta-green.com writes: << Actually, there is a slight one. You may recall the conspiracy-minded projectionist at the art house cinema where the protagonist meets his future lover. The projectionist rattles on about the Templars, and mentions the Necronomicon in passing as being connected to their alleged adoration of Baphomet and so forth. >> You are quite right, I recall that tiny fillip to the pot. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:23:49 -0500 (CDT) From: MSubias@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: DG: Reefer Madness! Without doing so himself, the Man in Black said..."Let's examine the facts..." 2) The Navajo nation (presumably other Indian nations will follow suit) harvests hemp for legal purposes. Illegal purposes will undoubtedly follow. Trouble with hippie poachers after budz, internal corruption etc. According to what I have read hemp used industrially typically has an incredibly low THC content. It is an extremely poor choice for anyone wanting to get high. If a grower wants to avoid poaching, corruption, etc, all they need to do is use the stuff not bred for potency, and any drug user with even a bit of knowledge on the subject of cannabis will go elsewhere for their herb. While agronomy and botany are two fields that I am definitely not an expert in by a long shot, to insure maximum potency female and male plants need special handling. If this is true, no industrial grower would bother with plants with a high THC potential anyway. It's only worth the work if the drug trade is your main market. Marco ------------------------------ Date: 2 Aug 1999 08:53:17 BST From: "Jacob Busby Bsc." Subject: DG: Jagger From: Jacob Busby, IT Consultant, Tech Futures, IT Data Centre, Hampshire County Council, The Castle, Winchester. Tel: (01962) 845375 >Mick Jagger >He's looking pretty young for his 115 years of age. Must be some kind of >magic. >He definitely uses mythos knowledge to keep himself look young and stay >fertile. >But we should relax. Anti Mythos Hero Keith Richards is keeping an eye on him >for >about 50 years. "I cried out, 'Who killed the Kennedy's?' When after all, it was you and me." (Sorry, couldn't resist) _________ I think that I shall never see /__ __/ /__ a billboard lovely as a tree. __/ / / . / /___/ /____/ Ogden Nash, Song of the open road ------------------------------ Date: 02 Aug 99 10:18:20 +0100 From: Peter Devlin Subject: DG: RE: Guns and Diving (was Question for Gunfondlers) (1) Guns, glasers, et al. IMHO the definitive source for modern weapons in any gaming system is the supplement 'By the Sword' written by Kevin Dockery (he of 'Morrow Project' infamy). This contains solid, workable rules for glasers and other ammo types for, IIRC, the Chaosium, GURPS and HERO systems. (2) Diving. I can offer some assistance on this topic if you email me the relevant questions. My primary source is my father, a now-retired professional diver. He has been a veritable goldmine of info when planning Deep One related adventures. Cheers :-) --> :-0 Peter Devlin Bell, Book and Candle - http://www.rpg.net/ The South Side - http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/lovecraft/411/south/ Email - pdevlin@scotsys.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:16:24 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: Re: DG: Reefer Madness! From: : > While agronomy and botany are two fields that I am definitely not an expert in by a long shot, to > insure maximum potency female and male plants need special handling. If this is true, no > industrial grower would bother with plants with a high THC potential anyway. It's only worth the > work if the drug trade is your main market. Two conspiracy-theory-related points on this: 1) I've read in two rather suspect sources that George Washington, in his agriculture records, did indeed give this special handling to his hemp plants, which is only done when growing for potency. Of course this may have been a piece of Discordian disinformation--can anyone confirm (reliably)? (Let's leave aside the theory that the Father of Our Country was actually replaced by Adam Weisshaupt...for the moment.) One source cited /Writings of Washington/, US Government Printing Office, 1931. 2) A couple weeks back I read a report on marijuana in a Japanese newspaper. It amazingly did not follow the usual "Reefer Madness" line of classifying pot as a drug on par with heroin and cocaine for danger of addiction, destruction of the mind, turning one into a werewolf, etc. It was a well-balanced article that noted that low-THC hemp products are actually not uncommon in Japan (particularly in certain spices, which contain hemp seeds) and some ultra-traditional versions of products like tatami flooring and textiles (which usually use other materials these days--despite the fact that the other materials are usually less-than-satisfactory for the purpose). Pot has been illegal in Japan since the Occupation, and the government, news sources, schools, etc all take a very harsh line against it--to the point of keeping it quite secret that hemp is still used in Japan and that they are the same plant. No Japanese person I've talked to knew about that. To bring all this around to DG: Is there a Mythos reason for the suppression of marijuana? There's many stories which feature use of mysterious drugs to enter the Dreamlands, travel through time, contact creatures, etc. Could marijuana be an important component of these various drugs? I seem to remember reading something about THC being perfectly matched to a receptor in our brain cells, thus perhaps indicating a sort of co-evolution (that is, "We've been using pot so long, we've evolved to match it and it's evolved to match us."). But geneering could also be an answer in an HPL universe. Perhaps pot is the thing that, under the right circumstances, unlocks the blocks that keep us from having our rightful K'n-Yanni powers. And the Secret Masters can't have that, can they? We might all start Masonic democracies of our own! Perhaps some "Prometheus" has brought us a gift of fire (or at least smoke) to help us regain our rightful powers and jump to the next evolutionary stage. Of course, most people who smoke weed go nowhere with it. Is that because they get caught up in samsara, the Land of Illusion? Or maybe they are smoking the wrong strain... Dave is looking to score some Alamout Black (PS: Just a little note--like virtually every American, I tried it in college. Never got high, though--not for lack of trying! Something wrong with my brain, perhaps?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:06:26 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: Re: Flickers [was Re: DG: St. Jerome activity] From: : > The really interesting thing they discovered is that human beings > can't take that much visual stimulation for long. At this stage of our > evolution, we can only stand about 5 minutes of it. But I'm betting we'll get > better at it. Our kids certainly will. Very, very cool. It's easy to see tie-ins with the marijuana ideas, too (chemical modifications combined with memes). But to switch to my "Chaucerwatch" persona, I must point out the same thing happening in books. James Joyce comes immediately to mind, as does the mental-reprogramming narrative structures in Robert Anton Wilson's stuff. Philip K. Dick tried to do it, too. Maybe Joseph Hellerman (unconsciously, I think). Robert Pirsig for sure, but it's too obvious. Then we get into Chris Nichol's "Containment Item" and the King in Yellow--definitely mental reprogrammers. HPL was really ahead of his time, wasn't he? SAN loss? Sure, that's the game effect, but what's really happening is your thought functions are getting re-mapped by an insidious memetic virus. Reading King in Yellow programs you for a worldview colored with constant despair and ennui. Revelations of Glaaki Volume Whatevah writes in a new code-word that allows access to your mind by The Bloated One. The Necronomicon doesn't so much tell you blasphemous secrets as unlock those secrets that are already in your head, the genetic knowledge in hidden files that was buried deep to keep us in the Black Iron Prison. But it also gives you the codes to rewrite your BIOS, which will make you very powerful if you do it right (like Alzis), or very insane or dead if you do it wrong (like Al-Ahzred, eventually). /BIOS ERROR/--cue demons. With Hollywood, we move into a new dimension of horror and beauty. We've already been affected irrevocably, every one of us, unless, like the Cigarette-Smoking Man in his younger days, we have avoided movies altogether. To someone who's scrupulously kept his mind clean, the rest of us must seem insane. The movies have the POTENTIAL of being far more real than books (note that most of them fail miserably), and thus affecting us with more ease. What I mean is, it's a hell of a lot easier to watch a movie of Finnegan's Wake than it is to read the book. The problem lies in the near-impossible task of making a movie of Finnegan's Wake that would be worth watching, that would have any affect on us other than boredom or (inappropriate) laughter. The King in Yellow is a play. Reading it drives most people mad (in a turn-of-the-century, angst-filled way). But it wasn't meant to be read--it was meant to be watched! Imagine the performance--the effect would be much greater. Now imagine a movie, done by a genius of a director. And for the next level of terror, reread Nichol's post about Yellow. A truly well-done video game would get much farther down into the psyche with much greater ease than a book, a play, or a movie, because we really become part of it, and we open ourselves up more willingly. > So what does this all have to do with DG? What do you want, a smoking gun? > Hollywood is just too big to get a handle on. I don't think it's Mythos > dominated any more than I think it's DG friendly. It's the ocean, and all of > us are swimming in it. It is either shaping our evolution, or it is an > artifact of that evolution. Or both--feedback loop. And yes, the Mythos is part of Hollywood (a name which I will now forevermore associate with dark Druids enacting rituals to an all-devouring Goddess), yet Hollywood co-opts the Mythos and makes them serve it. Or _It_--for do we not see here a God in the making? It is a new, self-aware Dreamland. Nobody runs Hollywood--it runs itself, although its worshippers can direct it here and there by voting with their pocketbooks. Mythos elements try to take it over, but Hollywood will always follow its basic imperative: To entertain. To make dreams and act them out. The cultists who try to get a movie made and drive everyone wacky soon find their director has been fired by the studio and Leo DiCaprio is suddenly playing the lead, with the High Priest out on his ass. In the world of DG scenarios, the Good Guys and Bad Guys will be inextricably intertwined in Hollywood. See _Get Shorty_, and think of DG and MJ-12 getting in on the action. Next thing you know your DG agent is turning into another kind of agent and calling everyone "babe," and he's suddenly got an idea for a great script. This is not to say that Hollywood will not be swept aside when the Endtimes come. But it provides a hell of a ride while it lasts. And who knows--perhaps its memes will live on, splicing with the GOO. Perhaps it is our legacy--our ideas swimming on in the alien minds of other races. David Farnell -- Fukuoka, Japan "Ua mau ke ea o ka aina i ka pono." PS: I failed to mention how excellent "A Mentos Moment" was, Mark. Keep it coming. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:05:52 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: DG: Lewinsky Crash Good Morning. I just heard on the news that Monika Lewinsky got hurt after she lost control over her car on a Californian Highway. May somebody have messed around with her brakes? ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:30:36 -0400 From: becole@juno.com Subject: Re: DG: Lewinsky Crash (clarification) On Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:05:52 +0200 EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) writes: >Good Morning. > >I just heard on the news that Monika Lewinsky got hurt after she lost >control >over her car on a Californian Highway. > >May somebody have messed around with her brakes? Conspiracy? Posh! This just goes to show you that you shouldn't try to remove stains from your clothes while you are driving!!! (Although, in Lewinsky's defense, PCH is sort of "convenient" for a quick jaunt either into or out of the Pacific) -B ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 16:02:20 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: Reefer Madness! Cheers. Just a quick one to defend my territory ;> SuperDave wrote.... >To bring all this around to DG: Is there a Mythos reason for the suppression >of marijuana? There's many stories which feature use of mysterious drugs to >enter the Dreamlands, travel through time, contact creatures, etc. Could >marijuana be an important component of these various drugs? Stand back, Farnell-san! I'm writing a story featuring a "Dreamland Gatecrasher Drug" right now (it should be ready within the week), and part of what you wrote is uncannily similar to the background rationales I've put together but not used so far. So, please just be patient. And get out of my brain _NOW_. Thank you. ;-) Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:06:36 +0900 (JST) From: ft203004@fsinet.or.jp (Jay and Mikiko ) Subject: Re: DG: Reefer Madness! >(PS: Just a little note--like virtually every American, I tried it in >college. Never got high, though--not for lack of trying! Something wrong >with my brain, perhaps?) Jeez, Dave, I feel left out; I'm thirty and I've never even seen it in real life. A sheltered upbringing, maybe? Jay - ------------------------------------------ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." Dave Barry, _Twenty-five Things I have Learned in Fifty Years_ - ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:34:41 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Lewinsky Crash (clarification) In a message dated 8/2/99 7:46:04 AM EST, becole@juno.com writes: << Conspiracy? Posh! This just goes to show you that you shouldn't try to remove stains from your clothes while you are driving!!! (Although, in Lewinsky's defense, PCH is sort of "convenient" for a quick jaunt either into or out of the Pacific) >> Maybe she wasn't driving but had her head below the level of the dashboard distracting the driver's attention from the road? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:36:57 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Reefer Madness! In a message dated 8/2/99 2:25:40 AM EST, MSubias@ix.netcom.com writes: << void poaching, corruption, etc, all they need to do is use the stuff not bred for potency, and any drug user with even a bit of knowledge on the subject of cannabis will go elsewhere for their herb. >> It myst be cross-fertilized by hand to get any "therapeutic" effect. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:02:03 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: DG: DGML Knowledge Pool Greetings. I just noticed that,m through one of those mishap that happen a lot if you run on W95 (I know, I know, I should upgrade to Linux), I lost the URL to the DG Resources list. Can somebody please post the URL on the list? And as I am at it - maybe the newbies don't know about it.... Ever since the beginning of the list, a round up of the members' fields of experience was put together so that listmembers in need could call upon one of their fellows assistance. The inclusion in said list is not mandatory but appreciated. The list is hidden somewhere and only listmembers knowing the proper URL (those that don't lose it, that is!) can access it - so privacy's granted. End of public announcement and request for help. One last question - do we get our backsides in gear and compile a working DGML FAQ? The Ice Cave will be more than happy to offer space for the publishing. [or have you guys gone and done it already and left me in the dark?] End of rallying call, too. Have a nice day. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 19:06:25 +0200 From: "Florian R. Hanke" Subject: Re: DG: DGML Knowledge Pool Davide Mana wrote: > Can somebody please post the URL on the list? Sure. Agent Christopher wrote: >>> The Mailing List summary page remains available at http://www.delta-green.com/summary.html. This is a resource for list members to locate fellow members to consult in their areas of expertise for help with simulation design or other research. This information and the URL should be kept confidential and is not to be made available by hyperlink. <<< Regards, Florian Hanke A night in Zu:rich Moon seems bigger than usual Again, Gnomes at play ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:03:09 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: SLANG In a message dated 7/31/99 11:51:20 PM EST, ft203004@fsinet.or.jp writes: << Are you by any chance aware of the origin of the word 'quiz'? The -- possibly apocryphal -- story is that a fellow decided that you could make new words simply by using them. I can't recall whether a bet was involved or not, but he basically went around pasting up signs with the word 'quiz' on it -- no explanation, no definition, no nuttin'. People gave it their own definition, which was likely something like 'a mystery, a conundrum' and then over the years the meaning shifted. >> Quiz is listed "origin unknown" Another favorite word of mine is "bistro". In English everyone knows it a kind of night club-dive setting, fast drinks, fast foot sometimes entertainment, but nothing lavish. It comes from the French of course - WRONG!!! It is a Russian word adopted whole-cloth: bistro meaning FAST, wuicker, hurry up! It dates back to Alexander's Russian army occuptying Paris in 1814 during the Versailles treaty consultations. The Russian soldiers coarse and uniterested in learning French would go into taverns and restaurants, banging the table and yelling "Bistra, Bistra!" Hurry up, you lazy French-slug-waiter before I stuff my boot up your . . . . " well, you get the idea. Language is a marvelous thing, none of us understands. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:05:47 -0500 From: "Shane Ivey" Subject: RE: Flickers [was Re: DG: St. Jerome activity] FY general I: I attended a Steiner-oriented school (the Sacramento Waldorf School) for a couple of years back in high school. The students all thought the Anthroposophy stuff was a big laugh--esp. the weird New Age dance stuff that they taught if you picked the wrong elective for Physical Education. If anyone needs details, let me know. SHANE IVEY This week at www.zealot.com: Filming The Lord of the Rings! Zealot: Sci-Fi and Fantasy Fun - -----Original Message----- From: owner-deltagreen@nocturne.org [mailto:owner-deltagreen@nocturne.org]On Behalf Of DHammann@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 2:57 PM To: deltagreen@nocturne.org Subject: Re: Flickers [was Re: DG: St. Jerome activity] >>the book is an anthropological study of the evolution of the cinemagoer<< - -that is not surprising, I could tell that the Orphans in FLICKERS were a satire of Rudolf Steiner's Anthroposophy Society (a German gnostic and Christian mysticism group that split from the Theosophy Society right before WWI) and the orphanages and schools were based somewhat on Steiner's orphanages and schools, and the main headquarters for both were in the same area in Switzerland. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:44:53 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Reefer Madness! In a message dated 8/2/99 5:14:28 AM EST, daf@iwa.att.ne.jp writes: << 1) I've read in two rather suspect sources that George Washington, in his agriculture records, did indeed give this special handling to his hemp plants, which is only done when growing for potency. Of course this may have been a piece of Discordian disinformation--can anyone confirm (reliably)? (Let's leave aside the theory that the Father of Our Country was actually replaced by Adam Weisshaupt...for the moment.) One source cited /Writings of Washington/, US Government Printing Office, 1931. >> Washington and Jefferson maintained a spirited correspondence upon the best ways to grow "indian hemp" Since there discussion goes heavily into cross fertilization and drying procedures, they were NOT braiding rope or making welcome mats, for their neighbors - they probably were _(ominous minor chord in background) SMOKING it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:36:02 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: Re: DG: Reefer Madness! Someone was looking for a DG reefer madness thread. How about this? One of the undeniable effects of the War on Drugs is the creation of a rapidly growing private corrections industry. Suppose this company is actually controlled by the Karotechia and is using convict slave labor for its own evil ends? Phil Posehn ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:30:46 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: Re: DG: St. Jerome activity] On the other hand the Steiner School grads in the higher levels reportedly do better in college than any other system. By the way, do you still live in Sacramento? I'm still there and trolling for convention GMs for Chaosium. Phil Posehn On Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:05:47 -0500 "Shane Ivey" writes: >FY general I: I attended a Steiner-oriented school (the Sacramento >Waldorf >School) for a couple of years back in high school. The students all >thought >the Anthroposophy stuff was a big laugh--esp. the weird New Age dance >stuff >that they taught if you picked the wrong elective for Physical >Education. >If anyone needs details, let me know. > > >SHANE IVEY >This week at www.zealot.com: >Filming The Lord of the Rings! >Zealot: Sci-Fi and Fantasy Fun > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-deltagreen@nocturne.org >[mailto:owner-deltagreen@nocturne.org]On Behalf Of DHammann@aol.com >Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 2:57 PM >To: deltagreen@nocturne.org >Subject: Re: Flickers [was Re: DG: St. Jerome activity] > > >>>the book is an >anthropological study of the evolution of the cinemagoer<< > >-that is not surprising, I could tell that the Orphans in FLICKERS >were a >satire of Rudolf Steiner's Anthroposophy Society (a German gnostic and >Christian mysticism group that split from the Theosophy Society right >before >WWI) and the orphanages and schools were based somewhat on Steiner's >orphanages and schools, and the main headquarters for both were in the >same >area in Switzerland. > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. 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