From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V2 #23 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Friday, August 6 1999 Volume 02 : Number 023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:51:37 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Reefer Madness! Janusz A. Urbanowicz schrieb: > Heh, I start to get used to it. Once I begun writing a story involving > Mythos (possibly also DG[1]) with some action based in German brothel > featuring slavewomen from all around Eastern Europe, to find a half of the > story in spe discussed by Eckhard and others. Don't know if I'll finish it. I'm curious: Just what part did we of your story did we discuss? BTW: There's not only Eastern European women working in German brothels, though the majority of the women that are involuntarily [sp?] in this profession come from there, most of them Czech women in the moment. But there are as well many women from Africa and Latin America. And there's another development: The majority of the pimps in the 90s are foreigners as well and four nationalities dominate this business: Russians, Turks, Kurds and Albanians with the latter two becoming more and more dominant. And while in earlier days brothel owners and pimps did just that and did it alone, prostitution has nowadays just become one branch in criminal organizations that are also engaged in drug trade, etc. And for those of you, who are looking for a new career option: For about $ 1500 - 2000 you can "buy" a girl in the Czech republic for your own "night club". This business really is only comparable to slavery, and the women really are treated like slaves. What really sucks is the fact that since these women are often illegal aliens, their legal position Germany is extremely weak. They have to fear that they will be stante pede extradicted [ word? ] by the German immigration agencies and do therefore not dare to call for help. I gave legal advise and help to some of these women a couple of weeks ago and you can believe me: Their situation was horrible. Before the court made its decision we had to hide them from a) the German police trying to put them in a plane to wherever they came from, b) their "employers" who wanted to get them back in the business. Yours, ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:51:37 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Reefer Madness! Janusz A. Urbanowicz schrieb: > Heh, I start to get used to it. Once I begun writing a story involving > Mythos (possibly also DG[1]) with some action based in German brothel > featuring slavewomen from all around Eastern Europe, to find a half of the > story in spe discussed by Eckhard and others. Don't know if I'll finish it. I'm curious: Just what part did we of your story did we discuss? BTW: There's not only Eastern European women working in German brothels, though the majority of the women that are involuntarily [sp?] in this profession come from there, most of them Czech women in the moment. But there are as well many women from Africa and Latin America. And there's another development: The majority of the pimps in the 90s are foreigners as well and four nationalities dominate this business: Russians, Turks, Kurds and Albanians with the latter two becoming more and more dominant. And while in earlier days brothel owners and pimps did just that and did it alone, prostitution has nowadays just become one branch in criminal organizations that are also engaged in drug trade, etc. And for those of you, who are looking for a new career option: For about $ 1500 - 2000 you can "buy" a girl in the Czech republic for your own "night club". This business really is only comparable to slavery, and the women really are treated like slaves. What really sucks is the fact that since these women are often illegal aliens, their legal position Germany is extremely weak. They have to fear that they will be stante pede extradicted [ word? ] by the German immigration agencies and do therefore not dare to call for help. I gave legal advise and help to some of these women a couple of weeks ago and you can believe me: Their situation was horrible. Before the court made its decision we had to hide them from a) the German police trying to put them in a plane to wherever they came from, b) their "employers" who wanted to get them back in the business. Yours, ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:17:46 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: False positives (was: Re: DG: Just plain mad!) From: Graeme Price > Don't know about the numbers of poppy seed cakes you would have to eat, but > whilst on the face of it it seems unlikely that they could cause a false > positive for morphine, you have to bear in mind that a lot of the tests > which use antibody technology can be exquisitely sensitive. Seems like a good way to put some agents in the doghouse. Villain wants to derail their careers, feeds them poppy-seed cakes or whatevah, maybe with a drop of heroine mixed in to make sure they test positive. Just before the "random" drug test. The villain could be part of MJ and arrange all this. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:02:04 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: Re: [fiction] Chasing the Bride (part 1) From: Davide Mana > I had set all the alarm clocks in my room - not that it's any use, but I > like this little ritual. Despite her tough stance, Val is rumoured to sleep > with an age-old teddy, so I guess we all have our little Linus blankets to > hold on tight to when we go in. VERY nice--keep it coming! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:26:51 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: Re: New Campaign Idea From: : > Imagine that MJ and Nyarlahotep have become fierce enemies. Nyarlahotep, > acting through one of his avatar incarnations is actively waging a covert war > against MJ. His motive would be this: if MJ is brought down and full > disclosure made to the public, the people would lose complete faith in their > government. This could be combined with your earlier "Karotechia induces America to become a Police State through Random Acts of Terrorism" campaign. But you'd have to assume that Nyarlathotep's avatars would be working against each other--a delicious idea I've always wanted to try. Hitler-avatar vs. anti-MJ avatar. They'd be at odds because the K's campaign of terror is meant to encourage the US to become totalitarian--to solidify it and destroy all freedoms. Breaking it into little pieces opposes that. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:18:23 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: Confessions of a Dope Fiend (was: Re: RE: Re: Drugs in Cthulhu Scenarios / Revisionism) From: Shane Ivey: > I had a brief reference to Aklo in "Blacker Than Black," the short story, > and certain other herbs made appearances there and in "lesserdark." Thanks for setting me straight--I'd gotten your mention of Aklo mixed up with Dreaming Man. Since the campaign is ongoing, I suppose you can't give us the details on Dreaming Man. > My ongoing campaign, OPERATION SANDMAN, is entirely based on a newfangled > Mythos drug--but the investigators have been too pussy-footed to try it > first-hand, darn them. Luckily (?) one of my PCs was a dealer, whacked out on bathtub acid most of the time, so he had no problem trying Black Dreams. I didn't manage to get him addicted, though. Too bad--I was already fitting him for a spinal centipede. Their DG contact (Agent LAURA) smacked him around a couple of times. She hates dealers. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:19:37 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: Re: Bible Code [EH Spoiler] (was Re: DG: Revisionism) From: : > Well here's two examples of this that we used in our campaign. After the > Bible Code came out (which I'm familiar with but haven't read personally, > yet) I incorporated the idea into Al-Azif. There was a similar code hidden > underneath the rambling allegory of the book that contained both a less > sanitized version of the truth and additional spells. It was hidden behind a > strange mathematics code (I'd share it with you all but then you would be > mad...actually I abstracted it because I'm no mathematician :) ). The code > was there for "proper" mythos wizards and scholars of the book to uncover > while the rest of the masses had to do with the "pretty" version (as if that > wasn't enough). This is exactly what I want to do with the 7 Cryptical Scrolls of Hsan--after the players have all 7 scrolls together, they can work out a code which has additional revelations and the Summon Azathoth spell. Although DG has no interest in summoning Azathoth, they need to keep all 7 scrolls from the Karotechia because even a part of the spell could help K in their attempts to unlock the same spell in the Gothic Necronomicon. Not being a mathmetician myself, I wonder if anyone can give some suggestions for describing this code to the players. Of course, it's complicated by the fact that the language is an ancient form of Chinese (making it about as much trouble to unlock as the Gothic Necronomicon). Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:43:51 -0400 (EDT) From: losangeles@nocturne.com (L.A. Nocturne) Subject: DG: Re: upcoming conventions in Calif Please update your address book - nocturne.ORG not .COM. Thanks, Karen www.nocturne.com >Greetings! > >I am looking for a few GMs to run Call of Cthulhu, , Pendragon, Nephilim >and Elric at two upcoming cons in Calif. > >The first is ZellaCon which will be held in Sacramento on Aug. 28 & 29 at >the Holiday Inn near the Sunrise Blvd Exit of Hwy 50. All of the gate >proceeds of this one will go to the Lukemia Society so I'd really like to >help these guys out! >So far we have at least 1 Call of Cthulhu, Elric& Nephilim game and a >Mythos tournament schedualed. > >I could also use more GMs for the Strategicon event in L.A. labor day >weekend for all of the same games. It will be held near L.A. >International airport (I've forgotten the hotel but it's on their >website). They run a wonderful con and treated all of the GMs that I sent >to their last one very well. > >As usual all GMs who run 2 games will receive free admission and a little >swag from yours truely . > >Those interested please reply to this e-mail address >paposehn@juno.com > > >___________________________________________________________________ >Get the Internet just the way you want it. >Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! >Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:46:07 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: DG: The Czech is in the mail In a message dated 99-08-05 19:21:38 EDT, you write: << And for those of you, who are looking for a new career option: For about $ 1500 - 2000 you can "buy" a girl in the Czech republic for your own "night club". >> Actually, I just need someone to tidy up around the house and pick up dry-cleaning. Maybe grocery shopping. I consider owning better than leasing when we're talking about staff, so the $1500-2000 pricetag is well within my budget. Do they have a web site? Do I have to have a "nightclub"? Mark "Iceberg" McFadden Never uses wire hangers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:38:25 EDT From: USFORREC1@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: New Campaign Idea In a message dated 8/5/99 7:36:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, daf@iwa.att.ne.jp writes: << This could be combined with your earlier "Karotechia induces America to become a Police State through Random Acts of Terrorism" campaign. But you'd have to assume that Nyarlathotep's avatars would be working against each other--a delicious idea I've always wanted to try. Hitler-avatar vs. anti-MJ avatar. They'd be at odds because the K's campaign of terror is meant to encourage the US to become totalitarian--to solidify it and destroy all freedoms. Breaking it into little pieces opposes that. >> Actually that's exactly what I planned on doing (I just sent a bit of a sanitized version to the list :) ). During the Endtimes Prelude campaign segment, as things begin moving from the K's terror campaign to a steamroller out of control, MJ and Dg will be trading more physical blows. That's where the Nyarlahotep-Patron anglr will play in. As things begin to (if the players are successful enough :) ) simmer down and they are poised to strike some final blows at MJ, that's when the truth will come out and send them scrambling to deal with that final blow to America. I agree that having avatars fighting it out is interesting. I figure that with sociopathy and chaos being Nyarlahotep's end goal, he wouldn't care about how that is accomplished. If putting avatars in rival groups to spread chaos works, great for him. He has no long term interest in any of the groups anyway, just what they accomplish for him. Each "cult" would view their interpretation of his word differently, anyway, and many would consider themselves rivals. Again, that just plays into Nyarlahotep's hand- he weeds out the slackers and even if its two of his cults fighting, they are spreading chaos. The same for the avatars, themselves. One of the super-villians in our campaign is a servant of Nyarlahotep in control of certain powerful economic powers. He serves Nyarlahotep faithfully and has done so for centuries. He has a sort of "friendly" rivalry running with the Fate. He knows that the Fate is tied to Nyarlahotep (and has heard the legends of Alzis as an avatar but doesn't believe them). His interests are similar but in a slightly different vein, so there is little direct competition. He works with (not for) the Fate sometimes and sometimes pursues his own interests. He occasionally provides a clue or aid to DG investigators against the Fate, however. Nothing ever very serious, just enough here and there to throw a monkey wrench into a Fate plan and show up a potential rival. Alzis does the same back. Neither wants to destroy the other, just provide some competition and "fun" and neither would ever interfere in the more important operations. Nyarlahotep just sits back and smiles at the antics of his children... - -Dave K ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:12:22 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: Re: DG: Reefer Madness! From: Eckhard Huelshoff > I gave legal advise and help to some of these women a couple of weeks ago and you > can believe me: Their situation was horrible. Before the court made its decision > we had to hide them from a) the German police trying to put them in a plane to > wherever they came from, b) their "employers" who wanted to get them back in the > business. Eckhard, you give lawyers a good name. (Just to provide a touch of possibly useful info, prostitute-slaves in Japan come mainly from the Philippines. However, many of the Filipina bar-hostesses and dancers are legal. In every big city, there will be cops who speak Tagalog, who work with the Filipina community--our school used to have the contract for teaching it here in Fukuoka, taught by an amazingly beautiful woman with her own dance school.) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:22:54 -0400 From: becole@juno.com Subject: Re: DG: Gnarley-on-Gnarley action! On Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:26:51 +0900 "David Farnell" writes: > But you'd have to assume that Nyarlathotep's avatars would be working against >each other--a delicious idea I've always wanted to try. For a good example of the kind of carnage that Nyarlathotep's avatars might unleash on each other and the world, I think we can safely point to the successful avatar-guises of Stalin and Hitler. Estimates of the number of dead from the Eastern Front approach something like several million, right? Of course, now that we are so much more civilized, and in the nuclear age, it couldn't possibly get that bad again, could it??!!?? -B ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 17:01:36 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: DG: [fiction] Chasing the Bride (part 3) Chasing the Bride - pt 3 There were a few perfunctory leather-and-rags punks standing in the rain in front of the building, waving equally perfunctory hastily-scribbled signs and screaming insults as we stopped and entered. Too bad the press was not about to take pictures of the show. Inside, we met a pair of fresh-faced auxiliary officers that were waiting for relief and clearly not enjoying their stay. Ultrafast paper flashing, salutes given and acknowledged, then upstairs. - - Why do these places always smell this bad? - she asked as we climbed the stair. - - It's the smell of anarchy, - I offered. She gave a short chuckle. - Those posers out there would not recognize anarchy should it chase them wielding a buzzsaw. She stopped at a partially blocked window and looked down. A brief chorus of obscenities rose from the sidewalk outside. - - Wankers, - she sentenced, replacing the cardboard in the wooden frame. The walls were covered with graffiti, a second generation of bad subdued scrawls covering some more gaudy and better executed murals. Cracks opened in the paint, and the floor was stained and in a bads tate. Various strata of roughly pasted leaflets and xeroxed tazebaos mottled every vertical surface in the corridor. Val checked the preliminary report she was carrying and led the way to a destitute little room on the first floor. The feeling of deja-vu was strong in all this, like re-enhacting a recent dream, but we kept mum about it. The door had been professionally kicked in. The usual Che Guevara poster hung askew from a wall, barely covering a large, age-old water stain. Furniture was too big a word for the junk cluttering the cubicle. A cardboard box with some books and magazines, a rough wooden plank used as a shelf for an assortment of items: an old Chinese alarm clock with a chicken pecking, a large glass bong, an ashtray full of rusty paperclips, a soapstone Holy Virgin roughly painted in fluorescent colours and holding hands with a Bugs Bunny flexi-doll, a new roll of cheap, rough toilet paper. A single window, half the glass panes replaced by thin scraps of plywood. In front of it squatted an ugly mismatched couple of dirty mattresses, laid on a double door resting in turn over four old tires, some foul sheets piled at the foot of the makeshift bed. The floor was covered in old papers - la Stampa, Tuttosport, l'Unità - and the whole place had not been aired in a decade. Val passed me half a dozen large bw pics in a large manilla folder. I got closer to the light, turning them so that reflex would not hinder me. - - We're still trying to identify the girl, - she said, as I went through them. Young, long black hair with clear streaks. She looked like she was sleeping, which was fair enough, in the unfair illumination of the med-ex team flashes. A detail showed a bruised cordon of thickened tissue on the inside of the left arm. Next, an establishing one for the whole. She wore a silver anklet and a pair of black briefs and nothing else. Other photos. The guy was paler, older, or maybe just more worn out, with a nose plug and a badly executed rhino tattoo on the left shoulderblade. Two of our Hlanith corpses had a wakeworlder face and address now. The easy ones. - - The kid was a well known fixture down at the sector, - my partner continued. - Possession, dealing, breach of peace, damages, personal injury.... The usual stuff, if a lot of it. DIGOS has a file this thick on him, the run of the mill conspiracy crap they go for. - A brief pause. - The family's been informed already. She snapped the folder closed with a bang and looked at me, sighing. - Working class drones, - she blurted, sounding harsh and angry, in an unfocused way. - They want to donate the organs, to do some good, but there's not much in good shape left in the bastard's carcass. The eyes, maybe. I turned, staring her full in the face. Taking it this personal was not good. - - It's just not fair, - she said, lighting up a fag. I got closer. - Let's get out of here. Once in the corridor, she got a grip and gave a raucous call to one of the kids downstairs, and he was just too happy to climb up and give us a quick rundown of the previous night's op. The boys in black had gone in the professional way. Door battered down at 00.05 am, under Blade-Runner-style pouring rain. The kids in the building had not even noticed: they had a big loud death-thrash concert going, and a few scores of them were pogoing with abandon on the ground floor. There were two T units outside, plus five patrol cars, lights flashing unheeded. Big fat op it had been. Our friends at the Battallion had resurrected an age old file about one of the losers nesting in this place, that had sent a 9mm Parabellum bullet to the mayor for Christmas '96 and was probably implicated with the Gray Wolves bombing debacle on the Lyon line in early '97. That, plus suspect crack possession and dealing, with its ancillary full-auto weaponry deployment, had been more than enough to grant the presence of a full ROS strike team, plus two of our "observers". As the auxiliary rattled on in a two-finger-typed-service-report kind of monotone, I could picture the scene: no less than seventeen specials in and about in less than thirty seconds, waving their hardware and followed by the Investigative unit guys taking their time, the concert cancelled in the worst possible way, the dancers escorted out and pic-ed and filed as they passed, the premises and the people roughly but thoroughly combedfor just anything of use in building a case. Val passed me the file and I eyed the inventory, following the kid's speech. Two laughable zip guns, that would probably cripple the wielder sooner that they killed the target, were at the top of the list. Assorted knives and chains, the pair of nunchuks that always pops up in these instances. Illegal stuff, mainly chems. Heroin. Surprisingly little ash. The usual vague and probably preposterous bit about "subversive material". Trust the DIGOS on that. The auxiliary had finished his report and was fidgeting, looking with the corner of his eye towrds the greasy bedchamber. - - You were here when they found them? He shook his head, then remembered himself and snapped, selfconsciously and too loud. - No, sir! I was downstairs with the CI team, sir. I could imagine that, too, the ROS spec-op guy kicking the door in, sweeping the room with the laser sight and then stepping back, even embarassed, thinking this was just a couple of kids having a quick one. The backup guy kneeling, the two exchanging a look, an OK sign, and maybe a joke. Then the realization that not everything's all right. I checked with Val, just a glance, and when she nodded I thanked the boy and sent him back with a tight-lipped smile. - - There's something else, - she said as soon as he was out of range. It was another room, with a thick dirty carpeting on the floor and the whitewashed walls covered in a cloud of black gliphs. She threw the butt of her cig out of a broken window and handed me a stack of polaroids that clearly were not going in the file folder, each of them singling out a significant portion of the wall writing. - - Still blaming the Geneva cleaners? Outside, the rain relented as noon approached, and a thin, pale sun finally cast its rays on the sidewalks and roofs of the city. Once in the street, the kids shouted at us, calling us names. Val shrugged, fumbling with the jacket's pocket to retrieve another cigarette. - - That stuff will kill you, - I told her as she lighted up. - - As if.... She lit up again and looked pensively up at the roof of the old building. An anarch flag was flying from a tv aerial. The idea of an anarch flag was silly, but the coupling significant. - - Did you recognize any of the coreography back there? - - The pictographs you mean? I nodded; they looked famikliar but I could not place them. She shook her head. - Never dreamed something like that before. Could be Xiuhrnan for all I know. It was an old joke. - - This is not just a case of meddlers ending the wrong way. And it's not the Yanks testing some stuff like the last time, - she said. - Somebody's pushing whatever shit dropped those kids on the other side bypassing the Hall. Somebody's handing out Signs passing them for folk art. Somebody in the know all right.... The anarchs's growl had been growing as we stood under the gary sky. - - And somebody clearly did the three bastards in Hlanith. It was pretty clear where she was going to end up. When she turned her gaze on the punks, they subsided and took a step back. - - We'll have to tackle this from both sides, - she said, tossing the butt away. [end of part three] - ------------------------------------ Cheers! Ultrafast : thanks to Jimmie, Dave and Mark for the compliments, and all the others for resding this. Next installment is coming in in about 24 hours. Hopefully. Let's see if I can still let you all down ;> Take care. Davide Mana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 17:19:13 +0200 From: Juergen Hubert Subject: DG: Re:Revisionism > > Sorry as Ph.D student in history who has studied how scholars _do_ > history, you are flat out > > wrong. Revisionist history is not merely history "with a spin," or with a > bias, but is > > historical writing that contradicts and strongly challenges established > historical beliefs. > > Y'know, I should have caught that. Didn't see this one until after I'd sent > the other post, though. Anyway, you're right--it's a misuse of the term. On > the other hand, B's points about the plasticity of history are definitely > something to keep in mind. It also brings to mind the plasticity of word > meanings. You've clearly explained the meaning from the perspective of > historians, but in society at large, "revisionist history" has a negative > connotation, because it means "history that says the stuff you were taught > in school wasn't quite right." And that's scary--brings into question the > whole basis of our society, all the myths (true and not so true) which > together define who we are (and I'm talking about every nation, not just the > USA). Threaten that, and you threaten people's identities (most people, > anyway). Also, it disillusions people in another way--they start to think > that "the new version" of events is just as unreal as the old version they > learned in school. In Germany, the word revisionism is usually only used in connection with Holocaust revisionism, which, of course, makes revisionism _very_ unpopular... - - Juergen Hubert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:58:53 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: DG: Total eclipse of the sun Good Evening. As most of you will know there will be a total eclipse of the sun in Europe next week. There will be druidic activity around Stonehenge, Paco Rabanne is certain that Paris will be destroyed, etc. Now, since such a stellar phenomenon -especially if you consider all the esoterical, astrological, Nostradamus stuff- would make an excellent climax/prologue/hook for a DG / CoC scenario, I keep asking myself: Why the hell has this not been mentioned on the list? ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:59:15 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Total eclipse of the sun In a message dated 8/6/99 11:03:10 AM EST, EHuelshoff@t-online.de writes: << Now, since such a stellar phenomenon -especially if you consider all the esoterical, astrological, Nostradamus stuff- would make an excellent climax/prologue/hook for a DG / CoC scenario, I keep asking myself: Why the hell has this not been mentioned on the list? >> Eckhard, Eckhard . . . my boy . . . Remember most of us are Americans - you know DAMNYANKEES. As the British say:"You can always tell a yank, but you cannot tell him much." Most of us are unaware of anything that transpires beyojnd these shores. We owe our awareness of such things to our European brethren. Thanks for telling us and I'm sure an eclipse will trigger all kinds of mob hysteria in Europe. Here we are more blaise about it. We just have coniption fits about other stuff, like television evangelists, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 19:17:56 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: Total eclipse of the sun Greetings. Eckhard quoted Paco Rabanne (that's class, guys) and asked >Now, since such a stellar phenomenon -especially if you consider all the >esoterical, astrological, Nostradamus stuff- would make an excellent >climax/prologue/hook for a DG / CoC scenario, I keep asking myself: > >Why the hell has this not been mentioned on the list? Three words: too many Yanks ;> And as fitting the situation of Italy in the EC, we will not get it total here, but only 90% in the industrial north and 80% in the center - the south has too many troubles already, so they'll do without altogether. Sorry for the sillyness. Cheers! Davide Mana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:38:40 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: Re: DG: Revisionism) Of course for the ultimate "Bible Code" there's always gematria. Phil On Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:19:37 +0900 "David Farnell" writes: >From: : >> Well here's two examples of this that we used in our campaign. >After >the >> Bible Code came out (which I'm familiar with but haven't read >personally, >> yet) I incorporated the idea into Al-Azif. There was a similar code >hidden >> underneath the rambling allegory of the book that contained both a >less >> sanitized version of the truth and additional spells. It was hidden >behind a >> strange mathematics code (I'd share it with you all but then you >would be >> mad...actually I abstracted it because I'm no mathematician :) ). >The >code >> was there for "proper" mythos wizards and scholars of the book to >uncover >> while the rest of the masses had to do with the "pretty" version (as >if >that >> wasn't enough). > >This is exactly what I want to do with the 7 Cryptical Scrolls of >Hsan--after the players have all 7 scrolls together, they can work out >a >code which has additional revelations and the Summon Azathoth spell. >Although DG has no interest in summoning Azathoth, they need to keep >all 7 >scrolls from the Karotechia because even a part of the spell could >help K in >their attempts to unlock the same spell in the Gothic Necronomicon. > >Not being a mathmetician myself, I wonder if anyone can give some >suggestions for describing this code to the players. Of course, it's >complicated by the fact that the language is an ancient form of >Chinese >(making it about as much trouble to unlock as the Gothic >Necronomicon). > >Dave > > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:06:09 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: Re: DG: Total eclipse of the sun The truth is the American press has ignored it! I learned about it from strange-aeons. My newspaper's only coverage so far has been a piece in the travel section on how the Cornish are looking forward to the added tourist dollars while the Druids are trying to make sure nobody kills 300 year old lichen with candle drippings. Phil On Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:59:15 EDT ScottSaylo@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 8/6/99 11:03:10 AM EST, EHuelshoff@t-online.de >writes: > ><< > Now, since such a stellar phenomenon -especially if you consider all >the > esoterical, astrological, Nostradamus stuff- would make an excellent > climax/prologue/hook for a DG / CoC scenario, I keep asking myself: > > Why the hell has this not been mentioned on the list? > > >> > >Eckhard, Eckhard . . . my boy . . . Remember most of us are Americans >- you >know DAMNYANKEES. As the British say:"You can always tell a yank, but >you >cannot tell him much." Most of us are unaware of anything that >transpires >beyojnd these shores. We owe our awareness of such things to our >European >brethren. Thanks for telling us and I'm sure an eclipse will trigger >all >kinds of mob hysteria in Europe. Here we are more blaise about it. We >just >have coniption fits about other stuff, like television evangelists, >etc. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:39:02 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Total eclipse of the sun ScottSaylo@aol.com schrieb: > In a message dated 8/6/99 11:03:10 AM EST, EHuelshoff@t-online.de writes: > > << > Now, since such a stellar phenomenon -especially if you consider all the > esoterical, astrological, Nostradamus stuff- would make an excellent > climax/prologue/hook for a DG / CoC scenario, I keep asking myself: > > Why the hell has this not been mentioned on the list? > > >> > > Eckhard, Eckhard . . . my boy . . . Remember most of us are Americans - you > know DAMNYANKEES. As the British say:"You can always tell a yank, but you > cannot tell him much." Most of us are unaware of anything that transpires > beyojnd these shores. We owe our awareness of such things to our European > brethren. Yes, but I thought You guys were educated and informed Yankees [ Oh, I'm charming tonight ]. But there's a question that aready haunts me for quite a while: Is the typical American citizen unaware of non-American news because the American TV stations or papers do not cover these things or is it just their ignorance? ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:07:47 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Total eclipse of the sun In a message dated 99-08-06 12:03:10 EDT, you write: << Why the hell has this not been mentioned on the list? ECKHARD >> You guys have eclipses over there? Wow. Small world. Mark McFadden Merkin and proud of it. After all, the certification exam was so difficult. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:23:29 -0400 From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: Re: DG: Total eclipse of the sun >But there's a question that aready haunts me for quite a while: >Is the typical American citizen unaware of non-American news because the >American >TV stations or papers do not cover these things or is it just their ignorance? All things considered, I suspect that the latter is a consequence of the former. I really have a hard time believing that any population is innately more ignorant than any other, but the quality of news coverage (especially world news and foriegn affairs) in the US is truly abysmal. Luckily, the BBC is available on the internet. Regarding the eclipse (which coincides with at least one listmember's birthday... cheers Gaz), it is supposedly a very profund event regarding astrological significance - end of the age of aquarius or something like that. Whether or not this is of any mythos significance is upto individual keeper's I guess, but there's been a lot of talk by the doom and gloom merchants that it may relate to one of Nostradamus' prophecies about the King of Terror coming from the sky or some such. Personally, I don't tend to build things like this into my own campaigns... I find that they make rather good red herrings to send investigators off on a complete tangent. Later Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:10:13 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: Re: DG: Total eclipse of the sun For the most part our press fails to cover anything outside of the US unless it is a disaster or if our troops are involved. "If it bleeds, it leads" is the electronic media axiom. The newspapers are nearly as bad. International stories that lack carnage tend to either get spiked or else end up in a 3 column inch box on page 12. We're all so used to this by now that we forget that anything is happening anywhere else. To be fair, I hear that the really big papers like the New York Times are better. I get more international news from delta green than from the papers. It's so bad that I could argue that ANYTHING about events outside of the US is not off topic! This is why we Yanks are such a parochial lot. Phil Posehn. > >Yes, but I thought You guys were educated and informed Yankees [ Oh, >I'm charming >tonight ]. > >But there's a question that aready haunts me for quite a while: >Is the typical American citizen unaware of non-American news because >the American >TV stations or papers do not cover these things or is it just their >ignorance? > >ECKHARD > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:15:35 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Reefer Madness! David Farnell schrieb: > From: Eckhard Huelshoff > > I gave legal advise and help to some of these women a couple of weeks ago > and you > > can believe me: Their situation was horrible. Before the court made its > decision > > we had to hide them from a) the German police trying to put them in a > plane to > > wherever they came from, b) their "employers" who wanted to get them back > in the > > business. > > Eckhard, you give lawyers a good name. Arigatougozaimasu, Farnell-san. > > (Just to provide a touch of possibly useful info, prostitute-slaves in Japan > come mainly from the Philippines. However, many of the Filipina > bar-hostesses and dancers are legal. In every big city, there will be cops > who speak Tagalog, who work with the Filipina community--our school used to > have the contract for teaching it here in Fukuoka, taught by an amazingly > beautiful woman with her own dance school.) BTW: Our government has announced today that they are in fact thinking of not only making prostitution completely legal, but to make it an official profession. That is probably a step into the right direction. But it would be more helpful to our clients if they would change immigration laws first. ECKHARD ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V2 #23 *******************************