From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V2 #32 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Friday, August 13 1999 Volume 02 : Number 032 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:01:00 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: Re: DG: DG -- Why the Secrecy On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:09:46 EDT ScottSaylo@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 8/11/99 3:37:28 PM EST, doctor.dee@iol.it writes: >At least that's what we claim. In reality the Judeo-Christian church still gets some de facto advantages. For instance when the Vietnamese refugees came over here after the war, those willing to convert from Buddhism to Christianity got preferential treatment. I can't remember the particulars. I just remember being pissed off when I read it in the paper at the time. Phil > >In the "Colonies" we Yanks, have had to become more flexible in >dealing with >those whose spiritual beliefs do not match our own. I think that is a >benefit >to a "melting pot" society. Germany and Italy (and the rest of Europe >for >that matter) have to find ways to tolerate other belief systems the >world is >demanding it. Just look at the proportion of people in non-Arab >nations are >Moslem. Here in the U.S. there are more Moslems now than Jews, a >rather >startling demographic. That growth in the demographic pie slice is >just as >prevalent in Europe, toss in the growing number of Hindu's, >Evangelical >christians, Scientologists and Frisbee worshippers and the Variety >Soup is >getting pretty spicey. > >I think this is one arena where Americans have a better handle on the >issue >than Europeans ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:28:57 EDT From: ScottSaylo@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: DG -- Why the Secrecy In a message dated 8/12/99 1:18:40 PM EST, paposehn@juno.com writes: << For instance when the Vietnamese refugees came over here after the war, those willing to convert from Buddhism to Christianity got preferential treatment. I can't remember the particulars. I just remember being pissed off when I read it in the paper at the time. >> It worked out that many of the "boat people" families were expedited through the immigration when they had sponsors. A lot of churches sponsored families through that program. It was a kindness on their part, but it generated a lot of "rice Christians" ( a tradition where Orientals show their gratitude for a favor or support by adopting the giver's religion). A friend of mine worked for DES in Arizona (Dept. of Economic Security) expediting Food Stamp clients. A church lady brought in a Hmong family (ethnic Chinese-Vietnamese people) that their Church was fostering. The elder of the family looked on my friend's and saw a Baha'i faith emblem in a frame (an arabic calligraphy referred to as a "Greatest Name") and announced to everyne that they were Baha'i's too. It was a happy moment for the Sierra Vista Baha'i' community and the Vietnamese family involved but it totally frosted the Church lady and her entourage. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:23:48 -0400 From: "Jimmie Bise, Jr." Subject: Re: DG: DG -- Why the Secrecy See, now this particular subject would be an interesting thing to import (no pun intended) into a DG campaign. The easiest way to get a foreign national into the United States for any length of time at all is to have someone of influence or wealth sponsor them. I, of course, am neither, which is why my fiancee *still* isn't in the United States (but, come the end of the month and a routine VISA interview - or so they tell me it's routine - she'll be here. Yay!!). This puts the immigrant into the country legally and under the responsibility of the sponsor for some length of time, at least financially. I figure this should be of some use in a DG investigation, but after a long workday, I'm just too tired to figure it out... - -Jimmie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:21:28 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: DG: After the eclipse Good evening everybody out there! The eclipse is over and nothing apocalyptic seems to have happened. But there are some things that happened that might be used for DG / CoC: * Hundreds of thousands of special glasses have been sold/distributed/given away to the public to protect their eyes. Probably some of these glasses do not only allow you to watch the sun without melting you eyeballs, but they might allow the user to see something else. Probably they work like in that John Carpenter movie [ "They live" or something ]. They might be made to show the wearer just who is infected by the Shan.... * While there was a complete hysteria and hye concerning the eclipse before it happened and the tourism industry in Southern Germany nearly wetted the floor because of booked hotel rooms, etc., the whole thing was kind of ruined by bad weather. This raises this question: Might there be a reason for somebody/something to call upon the weather gods to neutralize the effects of the eclipse? * Luciano Pavarotti did a concert in Bucarest in honour of the eclipse during the eclipse! Now this raises the following questions: Why would a superstar like the Big P. sing in an obscure and nasty little country like Romania? Was this some kind of mass to some sun-god [ Azathoth?] ? Why did Pavarotti sing the far too obvious "O sole mio" during the eclipse, and not the much more sophisticated alternative "Nessun Dorma"? ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:59:32 +0100 From: "Paul Radford" Subject: DG: Re: deltagreen-digest V2 #31 My apologies to list members for including an entire digest in a reply message. My mistake, sorry about that. Cheers, Paul ___________________________________________________ "Oh my god! They've summoned Cthulhu! You bastards! Web Pages: http://www.innotts.co.uk/~paulradford/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:23:02 -0400 From: Daniel Harms Subject: Re: DG: After the eclipse At 11:21 PM 8/12/99 +0200, you wrote: >Good evening everybody out there! >The eclipse is over and nothing apocalyptic seems to have happened. >But there are some things that happened that might be used for DG / CoC: Something else. I was listening to Linda Moulton Howe's report on the eclipse from Art Bell, and she noted that in southern France the eclipse created light "of a color no one had ever seen before". Everyone who's read HPL will get the reference; those who haven't, should do so. Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu "I had come frighteningly near to the capture of an old secret which ventured close to man's haunts and lurked cautiously just beyond the edge of the known. Yet in the end I had nothing." - H. P. Lovecraft and Robert H. Barlow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:50:48 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: DG -- Why the Secrecy In a message dated 99-08-12 16:20:04 EDT, you write: << The easiest way to get a foreign national into the United States for any length of time at all is to have someone of influence or wealth sponsor them. I, of course, am neither, which is why my fiancee *still* isn't in the United States >> We've got some lawyers on the List, Alphonse has the old barn, I've got several hundred pairs of tap shoes....let's put on a show! Well, it worked for Andy Hardy. I think the world needs a DGML Foundation. A non-profit foundation for the dissemination and support of mumblemumble for the youth of the world. Wassamatta, you don't like kids? You got somethin' against the youth of the world? Then why are you bugging me for details? Dammit man, children's mumblemumble is at stake, worldwide, and you're looking for a Mission Statement? Whenever we need some clout, we casually mention that this that or the other is endorsed by the DGML Foundation. We're on the Board. People don't look very hard at charities. One study found that soliciting spare change for the Two-Headed Orphans of Atlantis netted just as much as the March of Dimes or the Will Rogers Institute. You got something against orphans, ya frickin' sociopath? Mark McFadden Gives 'til it hurts ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:04:22 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: Re: DG: DG -- Why the Secrecy From: Jimmie Bise, Jr. : > See, now this particular subject would be an interesting thing to import (no pun > intended) into a DG campaign. The easiest way to get a foreign national into the > United States for any length of time at all is to have someone of influence or > wealth sponsor them. Taking a cue from At Your Door, the villain in one of my games (who happens to be the main character from "Tiger" in later life, now a high-ranking military man in the USA) spent his post-Vietnam years sponsoring Tcho-tcho families into the USA, and pulling strings with the State Department to get even more allowed in without sponsorship. Obviously, cults could do a great job at this, but only if they seem respectable, so they'd have to hide behind a false front, pretend to be Christians, something like that. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:58:43 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: Re: After the eclipse From: Eckhard Huelshoff: > * Hundreds of thousands of special glasses have been sold/distributed/given away > to the public to protect their eyes. Probably some of these glasses do not only > allow you to watch the sun without melting you eyeballs, but they might allow the > user to see something else. Probably they work like in that John Carpenter movie > [ "They live" or something ]. They might be made to show the wearer just who is > infected by the Shan.... I just got The Day of the Beast (revised Fungi from Yuggoth campaign), and, oh wait, gotta do S P O I L E R S yeah, right, well, there were some glasses in there through which one could view other dimensions. Very dangerous, as the horrors of the other dimensions could also see you and attack you. In other news, I read of an Egyptian man who killed his wife because she told him she was too busy watching the eclipse to get him some water, or something like that. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:35:01 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: Re: Irrelevant Info From: Benada, Rob: > For more info on Naked Mole Rats breasts see this article: > http://unisci.com/stories/19993/0812996.htm Not irrelevant info at all, Agent Snorkey! Check out the article, folks--major Mythos vibes comin' off those mole rats. More than ever, I see connections between them and the Tcho-tcho. Naked mole rats seen to be some kind of mutant, perhaps due to contact with Things Which Should Not Be. Perhaps they, too, joined with the Miri-Nigri, in a Richard Gere kind of way, and became the Shaved Gerbils of the Mythos World! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:41:37 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Just plain mad! On Tue, 3 Aug 1999 becole@juno.com wrote: > the heroin is normal (as much as can be expected), the dealer is normal, > but the agent is under surveillance by NRO/MJ-12. They have not acted > yet, but poor Agent X has become so oblivious through pain/shooting up, > that he/she does not notice their surveillance....but the players will. > What if Agent X was a mentor to one of the players characters? What if > that PC knows about Agent X's cancer? And how will everyone respond when > they see NRO/MJ-12 out in the light of day keeping tabs on this > ultra-secret DG operative? Has he already been bought? Is it a trap? The Good of the Many overides the good of the one. Self Sacrifice is the highest honor. Once confronted by his exposure and threat of DG exposure, X should eat a bullet of his own accord. X would fully understand the consequences of failure to do so... Don't watch... turn your head... hope he hasn't been exposed. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:59:55 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Ras Tafari On Tue, 3 Aug 1999 LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > According to the Rastafaris, Haille Selassie is\was the messiah. According > to their interpretation of the bible, the kings of Ethiopia are the last > remaining bloodline of the House of David. Further validation is added by the fact that the Coptics supposedly have the Ark of the Covenant locked up in some African church or other. Apparantly the one in Warehouse 23 is the Ark of the Melting Nazis (available for rent @ reasonable rates to those facing the Karotechia - call 808.555.RELIC). The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:14:19 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: New Campaign Idea On Wed, 4 Aug 1999 USFORREC1@aol.com wrote: > An idea crossed my mind today that i think I might incorporate into my > campaign and figured I'd throw it out to the List. > Imagine that MJ and Nyarlahotep have become fierce enemies. Nyarlahotep, > acting through one of his avatar incarnations is actively waging a covert war > against MJ. His motive would be this: if MJ is brought down and full > disclosure made to the public, the people would lose complete faith in their > government. When it becomes apparent that a sanctioned government agency has > been dealing with the aliens and has sold out its constitution and people, > the people will be up in arms. As the tendrils of MJ run through quite a bit > of the government and industry, no one in that government would be above > suspicion. Add into the upheavals that follow the disclosure, Karotechia and > COT agents pushing as agent provacateurs in various segments of the > populations. Every conspiracy theory that further divides the population > would be espoused (such as the MJ members were targeting the Black Population > for abductions and the like). The US would balkanize and without the world's > "Policeman" able to at least try and keep a lid on things, the world begins > its slide towards the Endtimes. This is sorta like THE GREY WAR I've got kicking around. Except that Nyarlathotep, thru his many minions; the Mi-Go, CoT, NWI etc., has set up Majestic-12. Their fall was inevitable from the begining. Nyarly doesn't need to topple them, he just has to *wait*. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:42:10 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Revisionism On Wed, 4 Aug 1999 becole@juno.com wrote: > Okay. So now hopefully everyone knows why it is so important to > keep those NRO assassins you caught separated until you finish > interrogating them! This is the oldest trick in the book. They did it in Ancient Greece and probably did it in Sumeria. Rashomon. > Also, all Delta Green operatives should keep their > AARs (After-Action-Reports) to a high level of detail, if it appears to > be something trivial, ask a policeman how much paperwork follows a single > discharge of his service weapon. So when you ask your players for a > debriefing, don't slouch. If they can't explain what they did to their > Cell leader, then they may have a very hard time explaining it to that > Congressional Oversight Committee. No one gets to keep DG-mail but A-cell. Action Reports are trimmed to bare essentials for security purposes. Part of the deal with DG is the lack of paperwork. Time, threat of exposure and lack of resources prevent comprehensive DG record keeping. This whole revisionist thread has gotten me thinking of links > to the EH project. Is it possible someone would try to forestall the > plans of Stephan by creating duplicate books? Who would be able to produce fakes capable of fooling Galt and Alzis? Lemme finish Countdown (CD) and maybe CoT and I'll get back to you. > Is Stephan trying to re-write the Mythos history to suit his own ends? He will strip the context and history away from the books he collects. The COMPENDIUM will be spells that work, pure and simple. Every poser satanist teen, every corrupt cult leader, and every other wannabe will be able to purchase, download, and cast Mythos spells without the restriction of arcane nonsense. This will quickly lead to the utter dissolution of the Earth, and possibly much of our solar system, galaxy or even universe. > Would someone have thought to put a code into one of those damned tomes? > Is so, what could it possibly say? Formulae, magic spells, ingrediants > for "drugs" or potions? Maybe map coordinates for all kinds of "fun" > locations? Inquiring minds want to know. You've probably been corrected by now, but "The Bible Code" is nothing more than a corruption of Kabbalism. Every letter in the millenia old Hebrew language also represents a number, and how these numbers in the Torah combine in very unnerving ways. In the Movie Pi (3.14159etc - SEE IT NOW!) a Hasidic Jew in NYC talks to our hero (a mathematician) and discusses how the word mother = a number, and father = a number and child = the sum of the two. Then he goes on to show the relation between the Garden of Eden and the Tree of Knowledge. Our mathematician hero instantly recognizes the connection as the Fibonacci sequence, which defines spirals and relates to the Golden Mean etc etc. This causes him to Eureka and solve the Stock market problem he's been working on. He sees the true name of God in his math. > By the way, McFadden, you need help that not even money could buy! Weapons are cheap... The Man in Black is : shopping. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:05:51 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Re: New Campaign Idea On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, David Farnell wrote: > avatar. They'd be at odds because the K's campaign of terror is meant to > encourage the US to become totalitarian--to solidify it and destroy all > freedoms. Breaking it into little pieces opposes that. WRONG, YOU FOOL! The Balkan States of America will be easily integrated into a Global Government. In fact, one world government is impossible with "united" states. See what happens when you don't take notes. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:12:55 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Gnarley-on-Gnarley action! On Fri, 6 Aug 1999 becole@juno.com wrote: > For a good example of the kind of carnage that Nyarlathotep's avatars > might unleash on each other and the world, I think we can safely point to > the successful avatar-guises of Stalin and Hitler. Hitler-Avatar was born after Hitler-Fuhrer croaked. Communist-Avatar is just silly. One evil WWII avatar is enough. > Estimates of the number of dead from the Eastern Front approach > something like several million, right? Something like *forty* million, including civilians, Germans and Russians. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:19:04 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Total eclipse of the sun On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Phil A Posehn wrote: > The truth is the American press has ignored it! I learned about it from > strange-aeons. My newspaper's only coverage so far has been a piece in > the travel section on how the Cornish are looking forward to the added > tourist dollars while the Druids are trying to make sure nobody kills 300 > year old lichen with candle drippings. I saw it on CNN about a dozen times. It was on the front page of the Honolulu Star-Bulletin (ECLIPSE DESTROYS EUROPE! MILLIONS PERISH IN SUNLESS DARKNESS!) in a little sidebar. Masks of Nyarlathotep used an Eclipse as part of the cross-dressing gay god's program. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:27:42 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Total eclipse of the sun On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: > But there's a question that aready haunts me for quite a while: Is the > typical American citizen unaware of non-American news because the > American TV stations or papers do not cover these things or is it just > their ignorance? Local TV news is getting more and more tabloid and exploitive (but not really in Hawaii, where the old boys network extends everywhere). I'm surprised they didn't jump all over the eclipse like monkeys on a banana split. International Relations and Foriegn Policy is dead in the minds of most folks, and this is due to bad media in collusion with bad education. TV provides shallow coverage and ratings drop when boring things are covered. Newspapers face the same challenge. As only a handful of media megaliths gather power, Journalism is being held to a standard of Profit over Truth. This breeds ignorance. Fools run free. The ENDTIMES draw near. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:38:49 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Total eclipse of the sun On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: > And talking of the BBC: They really rule. I'm getting BBC World from my > local cable provider and especially during the Kosovo War it was THE > source of information. The German channels were always whining about the > poor Serbs and CNN was always celebrating the success of American > troops. BBC World had the unique mix between criticism from an objective > and informed point of view and information. After Kosovo, it was revealed (probably by CNN) that Big Slobby Milosovich was subscribing to the intel provided by CNN. Thus, part of the reason he withdrew is because he thought he was being destroyed. Not very bright in hindsight, but that's what you get when you don't have the Puzzle Palace. Was CNN being used by the Pentagon to feed disinformation to the public, like how the Pentagon fed them in Iraq? Probably. Time/Warner got great ratings, Pentagon PsyWar got a great victory by flexing muscle in a new theatre, and the Balkans continue their 500 year old war. Everyone's happy. The Man in Black is : only somewhat happy. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:02:18 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Eclipse / Invade the USA? On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Robert Thomas wrote: > > Still, my previous statement reflects the common attitude in > > America, and is not meant to reflect poorly on the Canadian people, > > their armed forces, the RCMP, or any other body or organization > > representing Canada. After all, if Canada ever DOES invade over > > the Falls, I'm right in the path of their army... > > better have your barrel ready to escape in then Dan :-) Don't worry, as soon as the OMCL strikes, those Bacon-eating Eh-sayers will be charging over the border like Dudley Do-Right rescuing Penelope. Then Dan "The Minivan Man" Harms will be experiencing the wonder of the ACME Escape Barrel. It comes with a little sign that says "Oh-No!" and an Anvil (for balance, honest). The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:16:18 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: The Sixth Sense (not one damn spoiler) On Sun, 8 Aug 1999 LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > Eyes Wide Shut Total Cop out on the HIV/Hooker. Studio was a pussy on the nudity. Must see Director's cut. RIP Kubrick. > The Blair Witch Project also: Arlington Road, Great Ending, GREAT! The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:27:55 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Hey! On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Daniel Harms wrote: > >Where is me copy of 'Countdown'? Didn't I win one of the darn things? > have paid them for the book first, then send them out to those to whom they > don't have a financial obligation afterward. You two freaks need to start paying attention. Pagan already said that the Printer-2-Distributors was direct, so DG:CD would hit stores before Pagan got theirs. Contributors get theirs from Pagan, and Overnite delivery may not be an option for non-distributors. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:33:30 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: The Lizard People On Sun, 8 Aug 1999 LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > 2) The chemical melting of the bedrock reminded me of some theories in an old > National Geographic that many stone monoliths were not solid rock hauled over > hundreds of miles, but rubble that was liquefied and cast into monolith > blocks at the site. Here at MiB HQ we call that stuff "Concrete." > 3) Maybe Serpents aren't the only reptilian People. Or maybe Lizard is a > better description of bilaterally symmetrical quadrupeds with tails. Serpent folk have more than one category of species. I always viewed them as Humanoid types and Velociraptor types, there's certainly room for Limbless ones, or salamanders, ad infinitum. > 5) Gotta get ahold of them golden tablets. How much are they worth to ya'? Got any sisters? The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:59:47 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Delta Green Eyes 1 On Mon, 9 Aug 1999 PaganArt@aol.com wrote: > How many people would be interested in a hard cover edition of DG? How > much more would you be willing to pay for something like that, if at > all? With John Tynes' DG novel in limited edition, we have all been > wowed by the ease of hard cover. Hard Cover sounds like "The Next Logical Step." Now lets talk turkey, DG is $30, CD is $40, $32-35 sounds about right. I have been putting off getting a Credit Card for online commerce. I need to do this. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:42:39 +0200 From: "MERMOUD Patrice" Subject: DG: Religions I wrote : >Basically, in France, there are a few religions recognised by the >government and other groups which are not considered religions at all >("groups" at best for tem, "sects" as worst for them). >Catholics, protestants (lutherians or calvinists), islam are recognised. Add jewish faith. >I'm not sure (would have to check) about bouddhism. Seems tolerated but am still not sure of the religion status. Something to be noted : in french government, the Ministre de l'Interieur, in charge of the police, is also the Ministre des Cultes (in charge of relations with religions as these are considered just like "foreign" due to the state-religion separation decided centuries ago). Of course, that's theory. For years, France have been governed by catholics people, or at least people who claim catholic values (two protestant Prime Ministers in the last twenty years are the main exception) so catholic religion have always havd some favourable treatment by government (millions spent to prepare for the comingof the Pope for the World Youth Days, a few years ago, for example) and french educational systems have long accomodated study hours to let children have religious education (of their choosen religion, usually catholic r protestant). Also many government (right-wing mainly) have been VERY kind to "free" schools (i.e. private schools usually held by religious people, mainly catholics) with money and all. >I'm not sure what kind of movement theosophists or santaria are. Santaria (I gathered it is voodoo related) isn't a recognised religion at all. At best something the cops will not interfere with unless they think there's some blood sacrifices. Voodoo cult is iusually held in some private place so noone can interfere (besides they have no public place they may use). >As for Wiccans, they would not be considered a religion at all. >Inoffensive loonies at best, sadists animal-torturers possible or >demented criminals at worse (depends on their sacrifices :-) As was said later on the ML : >The British attitude towards religion tends to be fairly blase. As long >as group X isn't doing killing kittens or somesuch they're left to get >on with it. Special Branch does keep an eye on things in case of The same would go for France, for the latters. And they wouldn't get the tax cuts, of course... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:20:27 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: Re: DG: Ras Tafari From: The Man in Black: > On Tue, 3 Aug 1999 LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > > According to the Rastafaris, Haille Selassie is\was the messiah. According > > to their interpretation of the bible, the kings of Ethiopia are the last > > remaining bloodline of the House of David. > > Further validation is added by the fact that the Coptics supposedly have > the Ark of the Covenant locked up in some African church or other. Can't remember whether the Ethiopian sect with the Ark are Coptics or something else, but anyway I recently read an article where a reporter was shown the ugly little concrete building where the Ark is kept. He wasn't allowed inside, though, and in his opinion, it was a subterfuge--the real Ark is probably kept somewhere more secure. Anyway, they definitely do claim to have it in their possession. > Apparantly the one in Warehouse 23 is the Ark of the Melting Nazis > (available for rent @ reasonable rates to those facing the Karotechia - > call 808.555.RELIC). Now that's the one I want. Dave, of the International House of David (kinda like the International House of Pancakes, but we serve okinomiyaki instead) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:08:53 +0100 From: Ward Phil Subject: DG: FW: [SFAWTSHR] funny game rugby eh? This might amuse those of us who play ball games without all the padding, the others might find it amusing to set DG agents in the middle of this game and watch them look for crazed cultist conspirators where nothing is happening... Is that a kennedy, I've lost my slang notes :( Phil W > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Williams [SMTP:mark@orctel.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 8:49 AM > To: Talking Bollocks > Subject: [SFAWTSHR] funny game rugby eh? > > On Sunday 14th March this year, Spain played Romania at home in the first > of > the IRB Rugby World Cup European Zone preliminaries. The other team in the > group is Portugal. The idea is that the 3 teams play each other to see who > goes into the seed pool (decided after this years World Cup) for the next > world cup. They play home and away so 6 games in all. > > Halfway through the first half the Spanish prop forward Iganez was sent > off > for stamping on the Romanian fly half Corin Abrazu. The Romanian was taken > off the field for treatment to two wounds, a head wound and a leg wound. > After the physio had tried to staunch the flow of blood to the head wound, > (and failed) he called for an ambulance to get Abrazu into hospital. At > the > hospital, a broken knife blade was removed from Abrazu's leg. He was > allowed > home from hospital and flew home a few days later. > > Iganez was arrested for attempted murder by the Spanish Police in > Pamplona. > Iganez has continually denied any wrong doing (and video evidence supports > this). > > Last week Abrazu withdrew from the Rumanian team to play Portugal, > complaining of headaches. It was thought he had banged his head in a club > match the previous weekend. He collapsed at his home, and was rushed to > hospital. X-Rays showed a .22 calibre bullet lodged in his brain. The > entrance wound had been stitched by a Spanish doctor in the belief that it > had been caused by a boot stud. Iganez was then questioned by Spanish > police > about the bullet.... The truth is always so much more surreal. > Apparently, > Abrazu had received death threats before the Spanish game via post (the > letter was sent from Cadiz). He laughed them off until fifteen minutes > into > the game he felt what he thought was a bee sting on the back of his head. > He > felt the wound and found that he was bleeding. Not knowing what had > happened, he continued until four minutes later when the incident with > Iganez occurred. > > Iganez plays for Bilbao in the Basque country. He had received a letter > before the match saying that unless he helped with the murder of Abrazu, > his > family would be murdered. He was told that someone on the pitch would kill > the Romanian. All he had to do was to "rough up" the Romanian to allow a > doctor on to the pitch. This is what he was attempting to do when he was > called aside by the ref. Only, he had done nothing up to that point. > > Spanish authorities, investigating the incidents found that: > 1. Abrazu was targeted because he had been "seeing" (euphemism) Inja > Felipe > de Compostilla ... (the ETA bosses daughter (ETA being the Basque > extremists), the year before while he played for Santander in Spain. She > was up the duff. > 2. The knife wound was administered by a stretcher assistant, the knife > used > is an ETA speciality called a "Juanez", where the blade is intended to > break > inside the wound. > 3. The bullet was fired from the crowd by a hired assassin ... hired by > Inja > Felipe de Compostilla because she was up the duff.... Complicated or > what.... > > All of the suspects have now been rounded up. Spanish Authorities also > want > to extradite Abrazu, since the young "lady" in question is just 14 years > old... > -- ************************************************************* This email is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient. Sony cannot accept liability for statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not made on behalf of Sony. ************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 1999 09:45:59 BST From: "Jacob Busby Bsc." Subject: DG: RE in the UK From: Jacob Busby, IT Consultant, Tech Futures, IT Data Centre, Hampshire County Council, The Castle, Winchester. Tel: (01962) 845375 >> And taxpayers paying for other religions that they don't believe in? Over here you in the UK you do have a right to pay some of your taxes to the Church instead of the state. I don't know anyone who has actually done that, and I suspect there's a labyrinthine maze of bureaucracy to fill in first, but the privelege still exists. > According to the old Concordate, _all_ secondary and high schools > (public and state) are to provide one weekly hour of "Religious > Education" When I was at school (about ten years ago) we had Religious Eductaion lessons and Personal and Social Development lessons (Morality and citizenship) I think the curent government has changed the name but the basic core is the same. The PSD classes were usually deathly dull, with neither the teachers nor the students having much enthusiasm for them. Occassionally there were debates but mostly, as has been noted elsewhere, the time was primarily used to do homework or play cards. RE was slightly better, but not much. The courses were mainly taught from a Judeo-Christian angle, with very few lessons on Islam, Hinduism or other religions. There are some predominately Muslim and Hindu schools in Britain who have different cirriculums concentrating on their own religions rather than Christianity. Once a week students are expected to participate in an assembly. This is meant to be a social/religious get-together of the year group. Sometimes these were OK, mostly they were naff, little more than an excuse for the headmistress/department heads to pass on administrative notices to the students. The main conclusion to be drawn is that in the UK the quality of any religious education you receive depends upon the school you attend and its attitude to RE. Some are bad, some are good and most are in the middle. _________ I think that I shall never see /__ __/ /__ a billboard lovely as a tree. __/ / / . / /___/ /____/ Ogden Nash, Song of the open road ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:51:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Tenebrous Technologies Subject: Re: DG: Hey! At 02:27 AM 8/13/99 -0400, The Man in Black wrote: >On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Daniel Harms wrote: > >> >Where is me copy of 'Countdown'? Didn't I win one of the darn things? >You two freaks need to start paying attention. Pagan already said that the That's Mr. Freak to you monkey-boy, come back from rehab and think you are bull moose alla sudden (Glad to see you hale and hearty screwhead). >Printer-2-Distributors was direct, so DG:CD would hit stores before Pagan >got theirs. Contributors get theirs from Pagan, and Overnite delivery may >not be an option for non-distributors. I know, I know, just being way greedy, I, like everyone else on this benighted list of lost souls, have been waiting for 'Countdown' with baited breath (me with Catfish specifically, nothing like some shad sides on the tongue to pull those bottom feeders). 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