From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V2 #39 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Friday, August 20 1999 Volume 02 : Number 039 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:41:34 +0900 (JST) From: ft203004@fsinet.or.jp (Jay and Mikiko ) Subject: Re: DG: LIVE from Istanbul >Right now, we're trying to determine whether the ban on spring bear hunting >had a positive or negative impact on safety for exploration crews. The way >I view it is - there's never been an accidental shooting of an exploration >worker, while there has been one geologist killed by a bear in the past ten >years. Not to be offensive, but one geologist killed in ten years is hardly a reason to open a hunting season. I'm not particularly anti-hunting; I just think that that it isn't sufficient cause to make what amounts to a fair-sized policy shift. Bad things happen sometime out in the woods. The only way you could make it completely safe is kill everything, burn down all the trees, bulldozer it flat, pave it, and make it a huge Wal-Mart parking lot. Then you'd still have to worry about getting mugged. :) Jay - ------------------------------------------ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." Dave Barry, _Twenty-five Things I have Learned in Fifty Years_ - ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:22:01 -0000 From: "Crossingham, Adam" Subject: Re: DG: COUNTDOWN Preliminary Review (Minor ? Spoilers) Don Juneau writes: [spoiler space] [spoiler space] [spoiler space] [spoiler space] [spoiler space] [spoiler space] [spoiler space] [spoiler space] <<< Some of the material has been adapted from other works: Tcho-Tcho goodies from AT YOUR DOOR Chaosium), Stalinist Mythos-fumbling from SECRETS OF THE KREMLIN (contained in GLOZEL EST AUTHENTIQUE, from TOME), other things from MOTAL COILS (Pagan) and (I suspect) REALM OF SHADOWS & THE GOLDEN DAWN (title?)(both from Pagan). I've probably missed, or not yet encountered, even more references. I'm hoping that such things might be noted and shared amongst Evil Researching Keepers for their own purposes and curiousity >>> I've noted the 'Brotherhood of the Skin' cult (mentioned in the PISCES article) who are from Chasoium's HORROR ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS in addition to those above (didn't spot the specific Golden dawn ref. though unless it was generic occult). I'm sure there's more though.... - -- Adam Crossingham E-mail: adam.crossingham@octavian1009.e-mail.com Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:41:55 +0200 From: Jesper Jyhne Subject: SV: DG: COUNTDOWN Preliminary Review (Minor ? Spoilers) > > > > [spoiler space] > > > > [spoiler space] > > > > [spoiler space] > > > > [spoiler space] > > > > [spoiler space] > > > > [spoiler space] > > > > [spoiler space] > > > > [spoiler space] > > > I've noted the 'Brotherhood of the Skin' cult (mentioned in the PISCES > article) who are from Chasoium's HORROR ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS > in addition to > those above (didn't spot the specific Golden dawn ref. though > unless it was > generic occult). I'm sure there's more though.... > This is great!! I have just finished playing Orient Express with my player and are now playing DG. I would really like to reintroduce some of the old enemies :-) (evil grin) Please DG:CD be in my mailbox soon!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:02:23 -0400 From: "Jimmie Bise, Jr." Subject: Re: DG: DG -- Why the Secrecy > > in the United States (but, come the end of the month and a routine VISA interview - > > or so they tell me it's routine - she'll be here. Yay!! > > Maybe you would like to be present behind the one way mirror while I and a > few of my ex-Al-Amarjan immigration officials present our Kafka-esque > Paranoia routine. Lady Bise Jr. isn't a Communist Mutant Traitor is she? > Nah..it's better than that. She's Canadian. Besides, after agreeing to marry me, there's not much that would shake her sanity. :-) - -Jimmie ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 99 13:30:30 +0100 From: Peter Devlin Subject: DG: RE: Vampires in a DG / Mythos Context This topic is something I've played with over the years. Here are three possible takes on vampires in the Mythos. (1) The UK SF/horror TV series Ultraviolet, as discussed some months(?) ago. Not yet used in play. Plot revolves around a clandestine DG-like cell opposing modern vampires. Vampires do not show in mirrors or any electronic recording devices, including audio. No shapechanging, mist, superstrength etc. May be killed by graphite bullets or garlic-based posion. Sunlight is lethal. Vampirism is transmitted by virus, infected tissue can by sterilised by UV if treated quickly. Vampires are infertile (dead sperm / ovum) and have no special mental or magical powers other then the ability to be reconstitued after death by application of blood. One juicy snippet is that these vampires do not regenerate sunlight damage, instead they spend their entire unlife living with the pain of their open non-healing wounds. Very twisted. Good series, quite dark in approach, scientific rationales used where possible. No Albino Fleabag angst here, imagine X-Files meets the SAS. Plot ideas included: Child vampire used as lure to pass on vampirism to human paedophiles via sexual contact (experiment to create mutant vampirism virus). Also vampires manipulating stock market to fund research into UV-resistant viral strains. (2) Brian Lumley's Necroscope novels. Already used in my own CoC campaign, works a treat, scares the crap out of players used to namby-pamby Gothic vampires rather than outrageously evil grossly violent monsters. Oddly enough the Lovecraft purists on the SA list hate all Lumley works (I don't like all his stuff myself) but IMHO his approach to vampires ties in well with the Mythos. Go figure... Vampires are either true bloods (received an egg and then changed) or lesser thralls (received vampire tissue e.g. blood, semen, spit). Affected by pure iron or silver, garlic as poison, sunlight is lethal. Various psionic talents also gifted to vampire. Vampires cannot mate with humans as their body fluids contain leech tissue which will turn the recipient into a thrall. True vampires are parasitised by a leech which grants them regeneration, metamorphosis, hefty psi-powers and slowly alters the personality to reflect the leech's lusts, desires, territoriality etc. Really old vampires are composed almost completely of leech tissue. Lesser thralls have the same powers as their creators but at a lesser level (still powerful enough to massacre scads of humans) and are subservient to their makers. True vampires may only pass on one egg during their lifetime unless the true vampire is female; females can produce unlimited eggs. True vampires also breed weird lifeforms from their own tissue e.g. multiclawed flying warrior beasts the size of a Mac truck, too big to be killed by small-arms fire, must be killed by high-ex or heavy weapons. Some vampires are also sorcerors! Later novels (3rd book) feature the vampire homeworld, accessed via one-way 'gates'. The homeworld has a night (and day) which lasts for 20+ hours and is ruled by eternally warring vampire lords who punish transgressors by throwing them into the gate to the 'Hell Lands' (Earth). The most recent story features a Tibetan monastery whose head priest is a true vampire, sending his religious emissaries to the West to enlighten people. Nukes are hidden in each temple, the ultimate plan is to create a nuclear winter on Earth to allow vampires to run amok. I can't say enough to recommend Lumley's approach to vampirism. It fits exceptionally well with DG as many of the stories are set during the Cold War (70's and 80's) and also feature the Intelligence organisations of Russia, UK and China as protagonists, focussing on ESP based espionage. As for Mythos connections, the explained origins of the vampirs are similar to the Satan / Cthulhu 'tossed out of heaven' creation myth. (3) Go watch the movie 'Blade'. It's not a bad version of the old Marvel comic-strip. Startified vampire society a la Albino Fleabag clans. A few nice touches such as vampire brands on the Renfields, vampire sigils, the vampire scrolls etc. The novels of Nancy Collins (Sunglasses After Dark, In The Blood) are also good source material for this approach. ULTIMATELY the approach to 'standard' monsters such as vampires depends upon the campaign tone. If you want to inspire real terror then go with something like Lumley's approach. If you want to do the paranoid fear angle then Ultraviolet-style vampire conspiracies will fit the bill. The Blade approach would do for more light-hearted throwaway scenarios. I favour the Lumley approach to offset the 'familiarity-breeds-contempt' mentality of players when faced by a 'mundane' foe such as a vampire. Alternatives have been discussed on the list - scientific rationale of vampirism as rabies IIRC. These discussions are in the Ice Cave. I've yet to see a Mythos rationale c.f. Mordiggian (masquerading as Anubis) and ghouls. You could posit, say, a connection between vampires and Shub Niggurath (life/death/fertility). I can't wait to see comments on this from other CoC Keepers who have used vampires. I bet there will be many more takes on them. Cheers :-) --> :-0 Peter Devlin Bell, Book and Candle - http://www.rpg.net/ The South Side - http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/lovecraft/411/south/ Email - pdevlin@scotsys.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:12:01 +0200 From: Juergen Hubert Subject: DG: Power Kill > > > >Actually, Tynes boozily insists "Power Kill" is merely a satirical > >broadside, in the vein of Swift's "A Modest Proposal." Put your tongue in > >your cheek and read it again. > > [...] > I was obviously in an altered state of mind, which is why I missed the > satire. Upon re-reading, it is a dry satire in the best sense - on the > surface, it makes sense. Well, lots of people are commenting on the RPG.Net review on the game, and most of them seem to take the book fairly seriously... - - Juergen Hubert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:18:46 -0000 From: "Crossingham, Adam" Subject: DG: UK Gen Con - 'Green Box' meet for DGML? Anybody on the DGML going to UK Gen Con? I still haven't quite decided whether to go, and was wondering if there was any chance of the Brits (or anyone else for that matter) on the list getting together and exchanging intel? - -- Adam Crossingham E-mail: adam.crossingham@octavian1009.e-mail.com Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:24:20 +0900 (JST) From: ft203004@fsinet.or.jp (Jay and Mikiko ) Subject: Re: DG: RE: Vampires in a DG / Mythos Context The trick with GMing with a vampire in the game is to play them smart, especially the old ones. There should always be backup plan, and they should never get down into a face-off with the investigators unless they manage to split one off from the group. Vampire if run as intelligent opponents, can be absolutely horrifying, even more so if they are run so that the investigators don't realize that they are vampires. Jay - ------------------------------------------ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." Dave Barry, _Twenty-five Things I have Learned in Fifty Years_ - ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:21:13 +0100 From: Barry Hill Subject: Re: DG: Vampires Eckhard Huelshoff writes >Now, since the vampire has been, is and will always be one of the favourite >creatures of horror literature, I want to ask everybody out there, if and how >you >ever used the vampire for DG and how you made it fit into the mythos system. I also like vampires . on 21 june i posted to this mail list an intigrated approach to all resurrected dead including vampires which is how i approach them , as i want them to fit seamlessly into the CoC mythos. my main question is are they resurrected as the original persona albeit now turned evil or are they possessed by another evil spirit but still possessing the memories of the original persona? looking at how the vampireism spreads i take the view the original soul is consumed by the first vampire who then reproduces an offspring into the resurrected body parthenogenetically- this could explain in some way why male vampires prefer young female victims . i still have no good explanation why ex-christian vampires react badly to a cross- an effect of the memory of the original persona perhaps- an islamic vampire would be turned by a crescent , a jewish one by the star of david [ i love that bit in the vampire slayers where a jewish vampire says to the cross bearing investigator - oy vay have you got the wrong vampire!] \Barry Hill. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:39:17 +0100 From: Barry Hill Subject: Re: DG: re; saints i believe i have discovered another monster saint - saint agnes whose saints day is 21 january. she was a 13 year old girl in the reign of emperor diocletian . as a christian she was sentenced to work in a brothel but she preyed to god to save her virginity and so he turned her into a hideous monster covered with long animal hair-[nice one god!] and the roman governor chopped her head off . obviously she turned into some sort of were-creature possibly a were-wolf. the story doesn't say if it was a full moon. \Barry Hill. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:03:51 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: LIVE from Istanbul Greetings. >Well, it's better than the hazards of geological field work in Northern >Ontario. Aside from the common hazards (explosives, driving on bush roads >(shared with log trucks), operating snowmobiles and ATV's, poor water >quality in camp), there's also animals. Oh, those, yes. Apart from the usual number of snakes, my Unforgettable Meeting with an Animal was with a wild boar, out in the field one morning. Big, ugly brute. We stared at each other for about ten seconds flat, both trying to decide which way to run. Fortunately, we decided for different routes. But the greatest hazard I faced as a consequence of the animal kingdom has to be the bengal-tiger-style pit-trap that an enterprising farmer had dug out in his orchard and filled with sharpened stakes to get the abovementioned wild boar. Fortunately, the guy had slacked in his reading, and failed to harden the stakes on fire - the wood was rotten when me and a colleague fell in. But no, we don't have that many problems with wild beasts over here. Farmers that shoot you are much worse. You can't say you know what scared is till a rabid farmer welcomes you in his courtyard by firing two salvoes of buckshot at you (thanks God he was tipsy, or I'd not be here). As for Jay's comment >Not to be offensive, but one geologist killed in ten years is hardly a >reason to open a hunting season. Indeed. Heck, given the right geologist, it might be a good reason to open a box of Mumm champers and celebrate instead. I've got a fair list of prospect bear-baits right here.... Take care, gentlemen (and ladies) Davide Mana ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:59:38 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Vampires Thanks for your ideas so far. But certain incidents today made me remember the "Dracula"-movie with Gary Oldman [ I love that film ]. The film kind of made the connection between vampires and AIDS, which seems only logical since there are obvious sexual motives in the vampire legends. The reason I remember that, is the following: The whole day I was working on a letter to the highest Bavarian court for public law trying to reach an agreement to keep a 24years old Brazilian Prostitute that is HIV-positive from being sent back to the slums of Rio and thereby to certain death. Now, what if vampirism is a sexually transmitted [word?] disease? The easiest way to produce more and more vampires would be to open a couple of brothels in the world's major cities. And prostitution is obviously a profession that suits the daylight-avoiding lifestyle of vampires. And imagine the possible conflicts: The traditional criminal organisations and long - time pimps will definitely not be very happy about the new guys that make their business far more complicated. Probably some of the pimps [ including their pitbulls, some baseball clubs and guns ] would visit the new brothel to persuade the owners that it would far better to leave the town. And then the fellows find out that they are facing vampires... Scenario Hook: DG is called in when a notorious pimp and gang member is found "dead" in some big city's sewers carrying no more blood in his body. And what is even more strange is that he just walked away from the city morgue. ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:59:37 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: re; saints I heard about that saintly were-chick as well. And besides being an interesting story it also a good example of how Catholics view sexuality. And it's also a brilliant example for god's sick sense of humour, since it would have been the far more clever tactic to beam her somewhere else or to slay her enemies and destroy the brothel. But obviously it's that strange Catholic need for martyrs that made God choose to annoy that poor little girl. Or in other words: You'll never be a saint, if you never suffered your arse off. Anybody ever thought about the clear masochistic [ word? ] attitude of ye good olde Catholic church? ECKHARD Barry Hill schrieb: > i believe i have discovered another monster saint - saint agnes whose > saints day is 21 january. she was a 13 year old girl in the reign of > emperor diocletian . as a christian she was sentenced to work in a > brothel but she preyed to god to save her virginity and so he turned her > into a hideous monster covered with long animal hair-[nice one god!] > and the roman governor chopped her head off . obviously she turned into > some sort of were-creature possibly a were-wolf. the story doesn't say > if it was a full moon. > > \Barry Hill. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:19:53 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: LIVE from Istanbul Davide Mana schrieb: [snip] > Oh, those, yes. > Apart from the usual number of snakes, my Unforgettable Meeting with an > Animal was with a wild boar, out in the field one morning. Big, ugly brute. > We stared at each other for about ten seconds flat, both trying to decide > which way to run. > Fortunately, we decided for different routes. Oh my, wild boars. Though this is definitely off-topic, I hade my share of boar-experience too: We had a one-week training with my company when I was ordered to pick up my MG3-machinegun to find a good place for a machinegun - nest [ word? ] a couple of hundred yards from the platoon's overnight-camp to protect it from the expected assault. It was in the middle of the night and after only a couple of minutes I met a huge boar not looking to friendly. And that one did not seem to be willing to decide for a different route. Therefore I did what seemed the best way to frighten the beast away: I used the machinegun. I fired about 30 rounds [ not the dangerous ammo, just the one for training ] and yes, the boar ran away. Of course this also resulted in an alarm in my platoon's camp, but since there was no evidence an no witness, nobody could prove that it was me firing. Nowadays I think that I was plain stupid and just lucky that the boar did not attack me, being annoyed by the noise I created. ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:15:13 EDT From: Popeyesays@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Vampires In a message dated 8/19/99 3:02:38 PM Central Daylight Time, EHuelshoff@t-online.de writes: << The film kind of made the connection between vampires and AIDS, which seems only logical since there are obvious sexual motives in the vampire legends. >> Bram Stoker made some fairly obvious connections between syphillis and vampirism too, in a literary, artsy-fartsy kind of way, don't forget. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:38:28 EDT From: Popeyesays@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: LIVE from Istanbul In a message dated 8/19/99 3:22:34 PM Central Daylight Time, EHuelshoff@t-online.de writes: << Of course this also resulted in an alarm in my platoon's camp, but since there was no evidence an no witness, nobody could prove that it was me firing. Nowadays I think that I was plain stupid and just lucky that the boar did not attack me, being annoyed by the noise I created. >> In the ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:39:44 EDT From: Popeyesays@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: LIVE from Istanbul In a message dated 8/19/99 3:22:34 PM Central Daylight Time, EHuelshoff@t-online.de writes: << Of course this also resulted in an alarm in my platoon's camp, but since there was no evidence an no witness, nobody could prove that it was me firing. Nowadays I think that I was plain stupid and just lucky that the boar did not attack me, being annoyed by the noise I created. >> In the army of the US of A they'd have counted your rounds and found you the culprit. Oh, just a note - this is ScottSaylo@aol.com - had to change accounts, but only missed a couple of days ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:44:28 EDT From: Popeyesays@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Power Kill In a message dated 8/19/99 9:13:54 AM Central Daylight Time, snjuhube@pop.rrze.uni-erlangen.de writes: << > >Actually, Tynes boozily insists "Power Kill" is merely a satirical > >broadside, in the vein of Swift's "A Modest Proposal." Put your tongue in > >your cheek and read it again. > > [...] > I was obviously in an altered state of mind, which is why I missed the > satire. Upon re-reading, it is a dry satire in the best sense - on the > surface, it makes sense. >> At least you caught it before taking the carving knife to the Irish toddler ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:33:06 +1000 From: Rob Shankly Subject: DG: That is not dead that can engender countless volumes of fiction, films, a roleplaying game, music etc. Happy Birthday, Howard P Lovecraft, 109 years young. ObDG: Is there anyone on list in Rhode Island who can stake out HPL's grave, just to see who comes visiting? - -- Rob Shankly ludo@bigpond.com.au Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you frantic. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:36:25 +0100 From: Fintan Palmer Subject: DG: RE: That is not dead Hi, On a similar note, for those that can, check out Kenneth Hite's Suppressed Transmission article in today's Pyramid. Lots of lovely conspiracy stuff about HPL including the lack of info about what he did between 1908 and 1913 (Mr. Peaslee anyone?), his grandfather's connections with Egyptian freemasons, and the "coincidental" appearances of the mysterious airships at certain important events in his life. Here's a sample; http://www.sjgames.com/pyramid/sample.cgi?1017 All the best, Fintan Palmer >-----Original Message----- >From: Rob Shankly [mailto:ludo@bigpond.com.au] >Sent: 20 August 1999 8:33 am >To: The Delta Green List >Subject: DG: That is not dead > > >that can engender countless volumes of fiction, films, a roleplaying >game, music etc. > >Happy Birthday, Howard P Lovecraft, 109 years young. > >ObDG: Is there anyone on list in Rhode Island who can stake out HPL's >grave, just to see who comes visiting? >-- >Rob Shankly >ludo@bigpond.com.au >Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you frantic. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:42:26 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: DG: Vacation Good Morning I just wanted to say goodbye for about two weeks, because I'll be on vacation in the civilization. Cheers, ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:36:11 -0400 From: "Jimmie Bise, Jr." Subject: DG: They're at it again. Well, the US Government's after the computer security-conscious once more... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/business/daily/aug99/encryption20.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:27:30 -0400 (EDT) From: John Petherick Subject: DG: MJ-12 Activity The following news items may indicate MJ-12 activity. Are they conducting foul experiments upon innocent citizens of peace-loving Canada? I particularly like the part about a "rare fungus" being found in someone's nose. http://www.siteseer.ca/vault/08-13-1999.htm http://www.siteseer.ca/vault/08-14-1999.htm http://www.siteseer.ca/vault/08-19-1999.htm (And search for Espanola .... I know, it sucks that they can't design a better web archive. But it's our local paper, a mouthpiece for Canada's future Lord of the Manor, fighting for all that is right in this monarchist paradise against the "Liddle Guy de Shawinigan") ********************************************************************* John Petherick, CIH jpetheri@cyberbeach.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:00:57 -0400 From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: Re: DG: Vampires Eckhard wrote: >But certain incidents today made me remember the "Dracula"-movie with Gary >Oldman [ I love that film ]. The film kind of made the connection between >vampires and AIDS, which seems only logical since there are obvious sexual >motives in the vampire legends. Check out both the ICE CAVE and the archives. Similar ideas were bounced around a long time ago and we generated some pretty workable options. Particularly about the vampire virus thing - a paper in a legitimate and respectable neurology journal suggested rabies as a possible disease which may be mistaken for vampirism (Nice theory: I have said paper in my filing cabinet)... and this can easily be twisted around a little to give something devious to inflict on a group on unsuspecting investigators. Later Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:05:57 -0700 From: Scott Cleverdon Subject: DG: The Alienist Did anyone out there read the Alienist by Caleb Carr? Excellent source material for anyone running CoC in the late 1800's. Sort of explores the idea of the genesis of forensic psychology. regards scott cleverdon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:45:01 +0200 From: PM Subject: DG: Countdown in France Countdown arrived in Paris last Thursday (began to read it this week-end) I guess every Paris game store will have it available by the end of this week. ============================================= Patrice Mermoud (Paris - France) mermoud@easynet.fr mermoud@multimania.com ============================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:43:36 +0100 From: Barry Hill Subject: Re: DG: Vampires IEckhard Huelshoffwrites >Now, what if vampirism is a sexually transmitted disease? There have been sevreal films on this line too- but I would see it more as a sexually tranmitted parasite - a worm living in the gut perhaps? Which reminds me -I had forgotten about a scenario I wrote for Challenge magazine [ sadly now long gone] which was published in edition 73 if you can find it . I think it was published in 1994 . The scenario was called 'Dance of Death ' and proposed that vampirism was caused by the bite of a parasitic spider which injected a poison driving the victim to suicide but also causing an infection of the arachnoid membrain around the brain and was an infection which worked and spread in the body much like rabies. The spider could use this to control the now zombiefied [? is there such a word] corpse by living in the mouth of the body and drinking further victims blood . It could leave the body and infect a bat , wolf or other creature as well of course . The bite can also cause paralysis which is useful if you happen to be a vampire spider . The spiders were of course worshippers of Atlach-Nacha [ He Whose Name Gives You A Sore Throat] \Barry Hill. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:24:13 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: Vampires Greetings. Not much to say about this here sucker thread so far - I'll keep my vampire-related wisdom (if any) for later. [I can't even plug the Cave any longer, as there's people already doing it ;> Thank you, gentlemen. We'll keep working to be worthy of your appreciation] But as I'm at it, I might as well suggest a few inspirational readings . Barber - Vampires, Burial and Death - Yale University Press, 1988 [ISBN 0-300-04859-9 for the paperback edition] Scientific, anthropological approach to the vampire myth in Real Life. No frills book, with tons of excerpts from actual documents (including the totality of the classic "Visum et Repertum"). For my money, still the best book on the subject, as Introvigne's massive "La Stirpe di Dracula" (a strong contender), is not universally available that I know of. . Silver & Ursini - The Vampire Film - Limelight Editions [ISBN 0-87910-170-9] A great counterpart of the above, as it traces the anthropology of the filmic vampire, identifying lines and tipologies of screen suckers. Written by two great critics - yes there are some. . Summers - The vampire in Europe - Gramercy Amazon used to carry this thick hardback dirt cheap. Good - if dated - collection of folklore on the vampire by an authority on the subject (and a weird chap indeed). Might give a few ideas to structure vampirism on a geographical basis instead of following the artificial (and spurious) Fleabag clan classification. Finally, time to drop a name that's been generally ignored so far in our discussions (AFAIK) - that of Robert McCammon. His thick novel "They Thirst" (ofted dismissed as "Salem's Lot goes to Hollywood") is actually not half bad as a light read, and the idea of a Napoleon-obsessed vampire lord hell-bent on conquering Los Angeles through planning and strategy has its charm. And here I stop for the time being. Take care. Davide Mana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:33:58 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: DG: Nazi shooting incident That thieving lawyer ECKHARD wrote: >This raised the following question: Could Karotechia be behind such a >stupid crime with wich they achieve definitely nothing? They don't achieve nothing, the media has mentioned that the Aryan Nation and Christian Identity type churches strategy is to have suicidal members go on spree killings for the purpose of instilling fear in the hearts of non-aryans. Since only one excremental individual is involved, the organization remains removed from the situation. Kamikaze terrorism is the goal, pure and simple. If the shooter goes to prison instead of dying in combat like a true warrior, he has probably been told by his superiors that the Aryan Brotherhood will give him the preferential treatment that a true Aryan Hero deserves. Of course the law should assign him an incredibly large Filipino roommate in a prison without too many Aryans in the population. >Or could possibly DG be responsible for such incidents in order to >completely ruin the image of possibly dangerous Nazi-groups? >But on the other hand: Would DG - or cells or members of it - really dare >to commit such atrocities [sp?] in order to weaken their enemies? Going into the spree killing business unnecesarily threatens DG with exposure. Any vague and unmeasureable public relations effect isn't worth the risk or the effort. It would only get the go if we wanted to give Bob the Nazi serious credibility with the Aryan Brotherhood prison gang. APutting Bob in the Racist Biker Hotel would require some serious strings to be pulled. Some simpering shyster asshole... uh, I mean friendly... would appear with the wrath of bureaucracy and the electricity of being "connected" to ensure some behind the scenes deal. Probably a better way of putting someone on the inside is to go above-board; plea bargain with Bob the Nazi and turn him into an informer inside the AB. A Snitch Jacket might be inappropriate for Bob, who could be considered a loser amongst the AB. In the final analysis DG doesn't need to manufacture atrocities. We should wait for dumbshits to come along and use them up. Sucked Dry and Cast Aside. >Or is it okay or even necessary to sacrifice innocent lifes in order to >keep up the balance between you and your enemies? This is a matter of subjective moral accounting. I would shoot you right between the eyes to prevent a nuclear detonation in a major city. I would burn down a village to end a war immediately. One can never know for certain if such ruthlessness is truly necessary. This causes endless regret or sociopathy, some might call it SAN loss. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:04:08 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: DG: Prince Charles, Cyprus & Harpoons... >Might the Cypriots have confused the Prince with a Deep One? Did they >probably see something that is normally hidden by Charles' clothes [ >gills? ]. When you discuss Cypriots, are they the Greek kind or the Turkish kind? Both sides like to shoot at each other every few decades or so, you know. My theory about British Royalty tends to follow classic Illuminati lines. So the Deep Ones from the Cypress Hill city (INSANE IN THE MEMBRANE~!) might have been afraid of some Illuminati plot or other. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:33:43 +0100 From: "Clairr O'Connor & Kevin Honan" Subject: DG: Re: deltagreen-digest V2 #37 Non DG relevant but what the hell...it's an amusing story of gamers nearly getting killed.... By the way, anybody who ever gets to talk to anybody in gaming circles in Cork, just refer to "the incident" and they'll know what you're talking about. Two years ago, WARPS, Cork Universities Gaming Society decided to hold an all day killer game. Killer is something of an institution in Cork and it's played every year. (Quick Explanation for those who don't know Killer: Killer is a game of assassination, where opposing teams of assasins try to "kill" each other using water pistols, nerf guns, water bombs and other nefarious gear. It's played over a day or two (or a couple of weeks) and the person who accumulates the most kills wins). This game was a special game called "Hunt Ray". The killers were split into teams and each was given a name, the IRA team, the MIB team, the Mossad Team, the PLO team, etc. They were also given a picture of Ray, a member of the society, who ever managed to kill Ray the most won. Several of the teams came in costume, the IRA team in combat gear and balaclavas, the MIB's in suits and shades and so on. About half way through the day, the IRA team spotted Ray wandering and gave chase. They chased him up three flights of stairs and down a corridor. Ray couldn't be followed into conference rooms (they were *safe* areas) and he made for the only room that he knew to be free at the time, at the end of the corridor. He charged down the corridor and grabbed the door handle and as he did so he was tackled by all three IRA killers. The door gave way and they all staggered into the room. Unbeknowst to the WARPS organisers however, the College had invited the British Ambassador to give a talk to several of the faculties. The event was not advertised for "security reasons" and becuase only a coupla profs and college staff would attending. Unfortunately the Ambassador had chosen to make his speech in the very room Ray and the three IRA guys crashed into. Within a couple of seconds, British Secret Service Agents were very much in evidence and waving MP5ks around. All four gamers were pinned to the floor and severely beaten, their luminous pink water pistols taken from them. But what we really remember is the laughter... Eamon - -who once ran up to some Special Branch Agents yelling "Bang !"...but he was *very* drunk at the time. They drew but did not fire...aww shucks. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:58:50 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: The Alienist In a message dated 99-08-20 14:12:15 EDT, you write: << Did anyone out there read the Alienist by Caleb Carr? >> Yes indeedy. Good stuff, as was the sequel. It reinforces the lesson that there is nothing new about modern depravity. We just talk about in public now. Some chapters could be good resources for turn of the century New York and thereabouts. Loving descriptions of lunch at Delmonico's, the interior of Police HQ, some of the more infamous bad neighborhoods etc etc etc. Mark McFadden ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:01:08 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Vampires In a message dated 99-08-20 15:47:09 EDT, you write: << IEckhard Huelshoffwrites >Now, what if vampirism is a sexually transmitted disease? There have been sevreal films on this line too- but I would see it more as a sexually tranmitted parasite - a worm living in the gut perhaps? >> Has anyone considered vampirism as a result of nanotech infection? Mark McFadden ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:55:17 PDT From: "Christopher D. Nichols" Subject: DG: Cloudwave Productions and A Containment Item Hey. First, thanks to all the folks who commented on Yellow. I was thinking about expanding on Cloudwave Productions, in a style similar to how SaucerWatch or Phenomen-X is presented. But, I donno if that would be that interesting. Anyhow, I was looking for ideas and found something in 'Cthulhu's Heirs' discussing an avatar of Nyarlathotep called Narla who works in virtual reality to bring the Great Old Ones into virtual worlds were the stars are right. The idea might sound dumb, but as I read the description of this avatar, something clicked. A detailed polygon construct that looks like a beautiful woman? Drop the 'N' and you can see who Narla *really* is. See? Video games really are the tools of the Mythos. Second, tonight we've dug up a new containment items. Hope you enjoy. The Chinese Bottle: A small (2" l/1" w/3" h) bottle made of lacquered bone with a lozenge-shaped plug. The front and back of the bottle each bear an inked carving of two figures standing in a lush garden. One side shows a of a voluptously beautiful oriental woman in flowing robes. Her face is obscured by the black fan she carries, leaving only her eyes visible. To her right, a monk kneels, his belly slashed open and his guts falling in coils about him. The monk dips a brush into the pool of his blood, continuing to write on a scroll even as he is dying. Between the woman and the monk lays a bloody sickle. The reverse shows an oriental woman of cold regal beauty with doll-like features and delicate hands with fingers that are oddly long and pointed. She wears a robe that is unbelted and almost, but not quite, reveals her charms. Kneeling before her is a man. Little can be told about him, as he is naked and mutilated, his eyes, tongue, heart, and genitals removed. The man offers up these tokens on a cushion to the woman. The man's fingers are torn to the bone and his arms are bloody to the elbows, indicating that the man mutilated himself with his bare hands. A successful Cthulhu Mythos skill roll may reveal that the bottle depicts the Goddess of the Black Fan (also known as the Bloated Woman), an avatar of Nyarlathotep. Another Cthulhu Mythos roll reveals that the opposing face depicts Madam Yi, an avatar of the Great Old One Yidhra. Both are believed to operate in China. If the bottle is opened, the next time the person who opened it sleeps, they will suffer a nightmare dream sending from either the Bloated Woman or Madam Yi (Keeper's choice). The dream sending involves the dreamer worshipping one of the pair and indulging in the wanton and degenerate pleasures of the dream sender's embrace. On awakening, the victim loses the appropriate amount of SAN of the entity they saw (1d8/1d20 for the Bloated Woman, or 1/1d8 for Madam Yi). The dreams corrupt the victim, resulting in a compulsion to travel to China and seek out the source of the dreams. Naturally, anyone reduced to 0 SAN by the bottle's dreams becomes a worshipper of the appropriate entity. Note that the bottle may send only one dream each time it is opened, and that every subsequent dream requires a separate opening. The bottle is breifly mentioned in the books 'The Goddess of the Black Fan' and 'The Tale of Priest Kwan.' In each book, the story is told of a worshipper of the Bloated Woman who cut off his own legs, and carved the bottle from his own femur, inking the carvings with his own blood, as an offering to his goddess. That is all. Chris Nichols _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V2 #39 *******************************