From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V2 #56 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Tuesday, September 7 1999 Volume 02 : Number 056 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:42:41 -0400 From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: Re: DG: Air crash question Jacob wrote: >We've covered air-crashes, etc. in the US. Who would be used in the UK? - - Primary agency would be the Air Accident Investigation Branch (which I'm surprised wasn't covered for COUNTDOWN, given that the marine equivalent was). Offhand, these guys are _probably_ based at the Royal Aircraft Establishment in Farnborough, Hampshire (literally just down the road from Aldershot... those not from the UK would wonder about the significance of this: Aldershot is probably the biggest garrison town in the UK [although Catterick would run a close second]). They do the technical/rebuilding/legwork part of the investigation. - - RAF would probably rotate staff out to help with an investigation as needed. - - If the crash was at an airport, then the British Airport Authority (BAA - which basically runs airport facilities) would fully cooperate with the investigation (or else!). And so would the airlines. - - The UK equivalent of the FAA (the Civilian Aircraft Authority: CAA) would also cooperate and ensure implementation of safety checks and recommendations of the inquiry. (Civilian aircrashes are usually run through the court as a public inquiry to apportion "responsibility" (read "blame") for the accident). - - Air traffic control (can't remember the full agency title) would also be involved at least in the periphery of an investigation. Interestingly, it has either recently been, or is about to be, privatised (New Labour my arse... more like older, softer quasi-Tory: O-SQUAT [must remember that acronym!]) prior to government plans to increase air traffic in the UK by about a third over the next 3-5 years. This is a little worrying for those living underneath the flight paths. Naturally, in the case of terrorist attack all bets are off as to who gets in on the act. Chances are it will be everyone from SB, 5, 6 and GCHQ downwards. Gotta love the beaurocracy! Later Graeme graemep@immag,mcg.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:19:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: DG: Test Message Andrew D. Gable agable@falcon.lhup.edu DELTA GREEN/EQUINOX: www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arkham/80/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:17:14 -0000 From: "Crossingham, Adam" Subject: DG: Failing Drive Auto rolls (or Pilot Aircraft etc) Commenting on calling for skill checks for long/dangerous periods of driving.... Crossingham's House Rules: 1. GETTING INTO/AVOIDING TROUBLE The Keeper calls for the skill check as required by the circumstances. How fast is the player driving? Success means nothing happens as the problem was seen, anticipated and dealt with. Failure means a lapse of concentration, unanticipated bad conditions, suddenly braking traffic etc, which the driver/pilot failed to spot and avoid in advance. 2. MEETING TROUBLE/LUCKY ESCAPES A second skill is now required to RECOVER from the problem. The Keeper should describe the situation and terrain, so that the player can make a decision about what to do, i.e. drive into a brick wall or run down the pregnant mother with push chair and toddler. The Keeper may allocate disadvantages to the roll depending on the severity of the situation (dark, rain, snow, no where to go etc). Success means that the problem is averted/avoided or consequences lessened (I.e. Luck or Jump rolls allowed, damage reduced, etc.). Failure means that the FULL consequences of the accident occur without chance of avoidance. (These house rules derive from my experience as a 1920s Keeper, where I made my players make Pilot Aircraft rolls for every take-off and landing they made, on the assumption that in the 1920s aircraft were a significant advantage to travel, weren't as reliable as they are now, and take-off/landing is the most dangerous part of the flight.) However on the matter of calling for the roll, I'd only do that when it's dramatically required for the plot. If the players are chasing a target or being chased, then a roll is appropriate as this determines what happens next: who gets caught etc. Travelling to make a meeting or go to work isn't dramatic. And I'd certainly wouldn't call for a roll if I need the players to get to the next location, otherwise my plot falls apart. Obvious I'm sure to the many experienced refs. on this list, but it had to be said. Remember: Dice make life interesting for players, and funny for referees. Dice work for referees, not against them. ObDG: In my personal experience (England to Berlin 1993) the fastest thing on the Autobahn is a VW Passat estate, closely followed by a Porsche, usually a 911. The most irritating car on the Autobahn is a Mercedes (any model but not cabriolets) because the lane you are in belongs to them and you are in the way. I saw more wrecks by the side of the road in Germany than I have seen any where else before or since, but the Autobahn are the easiest motorway to drive because they were mostly two lane which made mirror use, overtaking and anticipation easy. The most dangerous M-ways in Europe IMHO are in Belgium because the Belgians are the stupidest, fastest, blindest drivers I have ever encountered. - -- Adam Crossingham E-mail: adam.crossingham@octavian1009.e-mail.com Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:24:31 GMT0BST From: Robert Thomas Subject: Re: DG: Air crash question Hello All, > has either recently been, or is about to be, privatised (New Labour my > arse... more like older, softer quasi-Tory: O-SQUAT [must remember that > acronym!]) prior to government plans to increase air traffic in the UK by > about a third over the next 3-5 years. This is a little worrying for those > living underneath the flight paths. Hasn't been privatised yet and hopefully never will be interestingly this issue was covered by Mark Thomas in one of his TV shows in the last series. Found out that Airlines were routing aircraft that had problems as normal into their main hubs rather than what should be done which is to land at the nearest airport capable of taking them. All to save money on repairs. Interestingly at this stage someone leaked a document to Mark about the proposed privatisation from within the CAA. This basically concluded that if privatisation occured safety would be a factor to be considered alongside other commercial factors. Now if that doesn't start alarm bells ringing, another section of the report concluded that the privatised Air Traffic Control would need excellent PR to deal with unfortunate incidents raising the question safety. It also outlined how the ATC should lie to the parlimentary select committe in order to achieve privatisation. All in all a very worrying state of affairs made even more so by the fact that no one at the Department of Transport would accept the report from Mark Thomas, he eventually had to hand it to the Chairwoman of the parlimentary select committe on transport, which is where the episode finished. I'm looking forward to updates in the next series. Could Phil Ward get in touch with me urgently I've tried e-mailing your work address Phil but all my mail is returned. BCNU Rob "ahh more work!" Thomas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:33:26 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: Skill levels (was DG: RE: RE: Sniper rifle use) Appelion@aol.com schrieb: > > In a message dated 6/9/99 11:19:26, EHuelshoff@t-online.de writes: > > >But the question is: > > > >What would it help for the scenario or the campaign to have your players > >die in a > > > >car crash with a Dutch truck on the A44 near Dortmund just because they > >didn't > > > >succeed in one bloody roll? > I don't kill them, just wreck their car. Anyways, this has only come up once. I still don't find such a random act very helpful for the storyline. It kind of reminds me of random encounter tables. During a car chase it's something different: If the driver fails, it's just natural to let them wreck their car, get hurt or even killed. But during a regular drive that from the point of story structure only serves to get them from A to B? No. It just does not serve the cause. ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:59:45 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Failing Drive Auto rolls (or Pilot Aircraft etc) Crossingham, Adam schrieb: [ very useful stuff that I absolutely agree on snipped ] > However on the matter of calling for the roll, I'd only do that when it's > dramatically required for the plot. If the players are chasing a target or > being chased, then a roll is appropriate as this determines what happens > next: who gets caught etc. Travelling to make a meeting or go to work isn't > dramatic. And I'd certainly wouldn't call for a roll if I need the players > to get to the next location, otherwise my plot falls apart. Obvious I'm sure > to the many experienced refs. on this list, but it had to be said. And it's just what I wanted to say from the beginning. > > Remember: > Dice make life interesting for players, and funny for referees. > Dice work for referees, not against them. Hey, How do you know of the tattoe on my butt!?! > > ObDG: In my personal experience (England to Berlin 1993) the fastest thing > on the Autobahn is a VW Passat estate, closely followed by a Porsche, > usually a 911. The most irritating car on the Autobahn is a Mercedes (any > model but not cabriolets) because the lane you are in belongs to them and > you are in the way. Since I drive one these "irritating" cars as well, I have to tell you the following: The left lane DOES in fact belong to us;-) But seriously: I'm afraid that you're kind of right. It's some of the owners of big, fast and heavy cars like BMW, Mercedes and Audi that have the tendency act as you described [ BTW: I do not ]. It's the result of the fact that there is no speed limit: Everyone shares the same Autobahn, no matter if he wants to drive 60mph or 130mph. This causes many drivers to stay on the left lane terrorize those that are in their way until they leave the lane. I saw more wrecks by the side of the road in Germany > than I have seen any where else before or since, but the Autobahn are the > easiest motorway to drive because they were mostly two lane which made > mirror use, overtaking and anticipation easy. And they are still the safest roads in Germany. The most dangerous M-ways in > Europe IMHO are in Belgium because the Belgians are the stupidest, fastest, > blindest drivers I have ever encountered. But the Belgians illuminate their motorways, which makes them the second man-constructed object that can be seen from the moon after the Chinese wall. At least the Belgians claim that it is that way. ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:28:07 -0500 From: jhorner@oaklandnet.com Subject: DG: Delta Green in SF I'm searching for a Delta Green campaign here in the SF Bay Area. I haven't been into RPG's since I was in high school, but Call of Cthulhu was always my primary system and Delta Green's added angle seems damn interestin'. Any hints or leads? jhorner@oaklandnet.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:04:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Campbell Subject: Re: DG: Delta Green in SF I am moving down to Palo Alto this Sunday, and I would like to get together with other list members to talk about setting up a campaign, maybe crossing over into other games that are running in the area. Maybe next week or the week after? Jeff Campbell. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:46:43 +0100 From: Barry Hill Subject: DG: Gloomy Sunday REAL LIFE ; in 1935 in Paris Hungarian musician called Saslo Reszio composed a strangely haunting melody he called ' Gloomy Sunday '. The first publisher he sent it to refused it , the second killed himself by shooting himself . Eventully it was published but soon attracted a sinister reputation. Dance hall bands who played it often had members commit suicide , at one hall a girl who repeatedly asked for it to be played killed herself. Eventually it was associated with so many suicides of people who played or listened to it that the BBC were asked not to play it on the radio. Then WWII broke out and the world had more things to worry about. CoC ; no I'm not going to try to teach my grandmother how to suck eggs. A killer tune which drives people to suicide- was Saslo really Erich Zann? HELP; has anyone any further information about this, or better yet the score, a recording etc? \Barry Hill. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:18:56 -0400 From: becole@juno.com Subject: Re: DG: Gloomy Sunday On Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:46:43 +0100 Barry Hill writes: >HELP; has anyone any further information about this, or better yet >the score, a recording etc? Well, it only follows that it would later be redone by Billie Holiday, doesn't it? "Gloomy Sunday" Billie Holiday, 8/7/41 Popular folklore of the Depression has Wall Street pedestrians dodging a hailstorm of failed financiers jumping from skyscrapers. Nothing like that ever happened, but America's suicide rate increased (and its birth rate declined) during the Depression. Edmund Wilson wrote movingly in The American Earthquake of the unemployed man whose last desperate act was rationalized in a coroner's report as due to "ill health, family troubles and no work." Given that background, it may be understandable that Holiday's recording of "Gloomy Sunday" was reportedly banned from radio. This suicidal reverie was written in Hungary in 1933 and first recorded in English by Paul Robeson in 1940. Legend has it that "Gloomy Sunday" (or "Szomoru Vasarnap," as it was known in Hungary) inspired suicides wherever it was heard, hence its nickname, 'the suicide song.' This is from The Great Depression, American music of the '30s CD. And continuing, viola, ze' lyrics: ~IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE LYRICS ARE!!!! Whoa....think I smell what the MiB is cooking..... Go to http://www.earth.ox.ac.uk/~nathan/poetry/poetry.html#gloomy for the web site with the lyrics. Do a search on Billie Holiday and MP3 and I would be willing to bet the cost of a Genu-Wine wooden Indian that you'll find a least a small sample. Depressing stuff, think I need to sharpen my straight razor. -B ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:23:38 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Gloomy Sunday Barry Hill schrieb: > REAL LIFE ; in 1935 in Paris Hungarian musician called Saslo Reszio > composed a strangely haunting melody he called ' Gloomy Sunday '. The > first publisher he sent it to refused it , the second killed himself by > shooting himself . Eventully it was published but soon attracted a > sinister reputation. Dance hall bands who played it often had members > commit suicide , at one hall a girl who repeatedly asked for it to be > played killed herself. Eventually it was associated with so many > suicides of people who played or listened to it that the BBC were asked > not to play it on the radio. Then WWII broke out and the world had more > things to worry about. > CoC ; no I'm not going to try to teach my grandmother how to suck eggs. > A killer tune which drives people to suicide- was Saslo really Erich > Zann? I'd rather say that Saslo was in fact Phil Collins. ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:17:16 +0100 From: Barry Hill Subject: Re: DG: Hastur In message , The Man in Black writes >On Sun, 5 Sep 1999, Barry Hill, long overdue for the Smack-Down Have I upset you in some way? I do hope so. >, wrote: > >> I love the DG:CD approach to The King in Yellow and Hastur. > >Why don't you marry it then? HAH~! > You seem to have the idea that love equates to sex somehow. Have you considered therapy? The rest of MiB ramblings I will not waste space repeating. He obviously has some sort of problem. Lao-Tzu said ; On hearing of the Way, the best of men Will earnestly explore its length. The mediocre person learns of it And takes it up and sets it down. But vulgar people, when they hear the news, Will laugh out loud, and if they did not laugh, It would not be the Way. What is the TAO? The TAO is. \Barry Hill. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:20:36 +0100 From: Barry Hill Subject: Re: DG: FICTION: Forrest Lawn (Part 3) The Man in Black < writes > >Some days Delta Green really *is* better than sex. > See what I mean about therapy? \Barry Hill. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:05:23 +0100 From: Barry Hill Subject: Re: DG: Different rules systems... In message , The Man in Black writes >On Sun, 5 Sep 1999, Barry Hill wrote: > >> where a huge madness gun containing a small part of Yog-S was aimed at >> earth manned by moonbeasts and selenites. it was accepted but they went >> bankrupt before it was published. > >Nice story mac, but I don't buy it, and neither did they. It was, in the latter stages a case of letting them publish for free as money was very short, in the end we were offered goods from stock instead of payment. >(Flicks Morley >brand cigarette ash on your head) What was the number of recommended >Investigators? How many moonbeasts were dere? Why didn't youse include any >wandering monsters? ANSWER ME YOU CRUMB-BUM! I'll get the truth outta >youse! YA LOUSY LUNKHEAD! > This was only a very brief outline , did I mentiion that the gun was in a crater in hell [ moon face bottom left side ] no . I didn't set out the whole thing . There were four moon beasts , the wandering monsters were byakhees . Get off my case ! >Ahem. > >ObDG: Isn't the YOG-SOTHOTH Bubble Gun included in a MEMCON somewhere? You >owe me phantom royalties! Expletive deleted. Actually that was an error - in fact it was azathoth , but don't let that stop you insulting me. > >The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins >Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum >Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. >http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] > \Barry Hill. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:53:25 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: Skill levels (was DG: RE: RE: Sniper rifle use) In a message dated 7/9/99 6:35:48, EHuelshoff@t-online.de writes: >Appelion@aol.com schrieb: > >> > >> In a message dated 6/9/99 11:19:26, EHuelshoff@t-online.de writes: > >> > >> >But the question is: > >> > > >> >What would it help for the scenario or the campaign to have your players > >> >die in a > >> > > >> >car crash with a Dutch truck on the A44 near Dortmund just because they > >> >didn't > >> > > >> >succeed in one bloody roll? > > > > > > > >> I don't kill them, just wreck their car. Anyway, this has only come >up once. > > > > > >I still don't find such a random act very helpful for the storyline. It >kind of > >reminds me of random encounter tables. During a car chase it's something > > >different: If the driver fails, it's just natural to let them wreck their >car, > >get hurt or even killed. > >But during a regular drive that from the point of story structure only >serves to > >get them from A to B? > >No. It just does not serve the cause. > > > >ECKHARD I meant when, for example, player A needs some backup or a ride outta' there real bad. Times when you aren't just speeding, but really burnin' rubber. The end result was that they made it in time, but a cop saw them, so the driver got his license suspended. Agent Xavier ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:59:14 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: DG: REDG I was going to call LUCK if they cracked up. But they didn't. 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- ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01BEF942.4BF72B40-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:20:53 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Different rules systems... On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: > In my opinion, serial killers or other murderers can make good characters, [freaky sex redacted] An Investigator who doesn't commit some good old fashioned, high-flyin' stylin' & profilin', Code 187 Murder-Death-Kill just isn't into the spirit of things. Property damage might be fun, but it's the body count, not the bucks that really matter. Still, I think a good '90's estimation of property damage might be $1000 per point of damage rolled. With multipliers for explosives, vehicles, or whatever. The Man in Black is : the Demolition Man Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:56:30 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Warning on Snipers On 6 Sep 1999, Peter Devlin wrote: > Moral? Beware of allowing yourself to be led into this situation by > gun-toting PCs. The 'Bhuddist' temple menioned above was supposed to be > a brief info-gathering sidetrip in the ongoing scenario, not a > bloodfest. In modern times a skilled agent with a .50 caliber Barrett > would cause even more aggro. Can you say WACO? Trouble is, the forces of political correctness have bloated the Rules of Engagement with each and every new incident. This makes it very difficult to accomplish goals of significance without violating the law. Such a policy virtually guarantees a scapegoat when press (not journalists) or political opponents begin to put the pressure on. The aggravation lies not in the small struggles of Investigators and Cultists, but of the damaging effects on society as a whole. Note that anti-vehicular rounds such as the .50 Browning are prohibited by the Geneva convention for use against grunts. Thus the US Army/FBI etc. are constrained by this policy. The primary advantage to the .50 cal when used against live flesh is the superior range. I usually follow the concept that people shot by bullets die of blood loss, and not the 12d6 damage, I haven't really gotten around to formalizing any sort of Rolemaster-esque bleeding rules for this. But you get the idea. Another disturbing development is the increasing amount of knee-jerk incident opportunism. Black teenagers in Cabrini Green (a slum in Chicago) or other inner city regions shoot each other over narcotics on a daily basis, and no one does anything. But when a couple of brain-dead white-trash in Columbine pull the trigger a few times, the media deprives the entire world of any real or valid information for weeks on end. Meanwhile, politicians and other (un)concerned citizen groups sally forth to continue their corrosion of freedom. Politicians seek increased Gun Control because it increases the flow from the cordite smelling coffers of the Gun Lobby, who seek favors and lax enforcement. They also gain endorsement from anti-gun bleeding-heart liberals who foolishily sell their votes to a system that even cynics like me have difficulty penetrating. Each incident unveils the stench of a new grotesque corruption of enlightened self-interest. A whirlwind pattern of blind idiot chaos. This then is democracy, the finest form of governence known to man. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:10:57 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: Skill levels (was DG: RE: RE: Sniper rifle use) On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Juergen Hubert wrote: > > I divide skills into those everyone has (drive auto. I never require rolls > > exept in chases or every hour when driving at 90) > > For driving at 90 mph? That sounds a bit harsh... 80 mph is pretty much > the standard speed on the German Autobahns, and if the traffic permits > it (and quite frequently even if it doesn't), speeds of 100 mph aren't > uncommon... Yes, but not everyone is driving on the German Autobahn. The usual situation for us slow moving USA drivers is about 40-50 mph (let's not have any of the kilometer crap now :). This is even on most Interstate Highways which see traffic from 50-60 mph. Not to mention Smokey the Bear. Sometimes Intersections with other roads link up to the Interstate. etc etc etc blah blah blah. The point being, that you roll vs. Drive during intense and extreme circumstances. Rolling along at 20mph down a Country Road with a untreated bleeding bullet wound might require Drive. Zooming along at 40mph down a busy one way city street - THE WRONG WAY! - might require a 1/2 Drive roll. Speed is essentially unimportant, it's the situation that matters. 90mph is too vague. On the Autobahn it's fine, but during the Cannonball Run it's not so fine. On the Autobahn with Daniel Harms' Minivan of Death (complete with Skulls and Crossbones custom airbrushing) it's really, really not so fine. The Man in Black is : headin' out on the Convoy. CON-VOY! Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:16:00 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Warning on Snipers In a message dated 99-09-07 17:58:49 EDT, you write: << This then is democracy, the finest form of governence known to man. >> No no no. They finest form of governance known to man is the benign and eclectic reign of the Lizard King. The political philosophy could best be summed up as "Do what I say and no one gets hurt." Or perhaps you would prefer King Stork? Mark McFadden Hail to the King, baby. Celebrate the Lizard. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:21:52 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Nukes & odd uses for On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Juergen Hubert, Gullible German, believed the lie: > A similar thing happened in Germany in WWI. The state controlled the > media (meaning print media in those days), and kept on telling the > population that they were winning. But when the demoralized soldiers > came pouring back, those who stayed at home couldn't believe that the > German Army had lost on the field. I don't know from propaganda, but WWI halted for several major reasons. 1) The French and British managed to talk the Americans into sending a bunch of ignorant youths to sit in dirty filthy nasty trenchs for months, possibly years. So as the German Army shrank, the Allied Army kept receiving reinforcements. 2) The Allies began manufacturiing and deploying Tanks much faster than the Central Powers. Even over the Ocean. 3) The Influenza epidemic vaporized everyone's army and thus no one could continue fighting without constant sneezing and choking to death on their own mucus. 4) It was this last that really put everyone on the table. The Allies might have been able to continue, but it would have taken another 5-10 years to put everything back on schedule. By then, the German Army would have been rebuilt with Tanks and the Americans would probably have headed home. Thus the situation would have been a standoff. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:38:04 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Warning on Snipers The Man in Black schrieb or rather wrote: [snip] > Note that anti-vehicular rounds such as the .50 Browning are prohibited by > the Geneva convention for use against grunts. Thus the US Army/FBI etc. > are constrained by this policy.[ snip ] Isn't the high-velocity ammo like the 5.56mm N or the 5.45mm used by the former Warsaw Pact nations prohibited as well by the Geneva convention? I recall that during my military service they taught as that -during those years- the Bundeswehr still used good old 7.62mm full metal jacket. Another difference in small arms tactics they taught us: While the Americans use that smaller calibre because they prefer firing bursts of at least 5 rounds [ quote from a German master sergeant: "They shoot like girls, so they probably sit down to pee" ], we Germans still use the much more classy "one shot-one kill-tactics". That's what they taught us. Please correct me. ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:45:51 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Warning on Snipers On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: > >Can you say WACO? > > Anybody heard of the reports that the Federal agencies used combustible > [ word? ] tear gas that might have caused the fire? This is just another flung chunk of Bullshit adding to the massive monument to Cow-Pies that is WACO. If I have to eat any more of this garbage I will begin Projectile Vomiting into the face of whoever tries to feed it to me. That nasty, ugly ass bitch Janet Reno was asked if the FBI used incendiary devices. To anyone with even slight familiarity with fire bombs (like gamerz) they would know that the definition of Incendiary (in the Tactical context) is "designed to cause fires." You know, like a fucking Molotov cocktail or FAE. A goddam CS grenade with a mother-fucking, cock-sucking, excrement-ridden, FIRECRACKER inside is not a napalm spewing, Cthuga derived, fusion intensive, Planet Buster. I would like to take whoever initiated the process that ended up with me having to listen to more WACO related torturous idocy (on both CNN and DGML fercrissakes) *and* having to view that dried up, bacon-pussied old harridan Janet Reno and demontrate the CS device on them (preferably by detonating it in their mouth) and then douse them all in gasoline and show them a real incendiary device, a match. The Man in Black is : switching to decaf - just as tasty as the real thing Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:10:28 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Re: DG On Tue, 7 Sep 1999 becole@juno.com wrote: > for this bullshit.....HOOVER. Like the man says, Hoover was a > body-remover. Sometimes at night, I wear my high heels and this little > pink cheffron........uh, enforce the United States government's right to > crack down on all citizens, regardless of race, creed or color. I'll step on the other side for a minute here. Hoover is dead and buried and has been for a long time as far as I can tell. Since then the Feebs have made great efforts to loosen up their Criminal Investigation side. Then of course there is the Counter Terror side, which is slightly more invisible. > another interesting side-note, there is a book out (or about to be > published) by someone who was "in the loop" back in the Waco days. The > book discusses the notion that a handful of personnel who were associated > with our dear, beloved president were transferred to ATF prior to Waco, > then assigned to that very spot. This nasty, totally unfounded accusation > then goes on to mention that these same people were purposefully shot by > other members of the ATF (blue-on-blue) during the confusion following > entry into the compound. BATF is definetely home to a majority of Rednecks. Supposedly these good ol' boys, who may or may not have been racist, were rousted out in the neverending rain of shit that is WACO. You will note that political appointees tend to be incompentent due to the fact that they spend all their time kissing ass instead of training. I seriously doubt that shooters would fall into this category. Kissing political ass is more of a desk-barnacle necessity. This is why I doubt the RUMINT above. Friendly Fire, now there's something I can believe in. I can also understand if ballistic technicians were just so overwhelmed that they got sloppy when deciding how Agent Elmer was shot. I would be interested in reading this book, any actual solid info on this book or author therof? The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:19:51 +0100 From: "JT" Subject: DG: humorous (?) anagrams I ran Delta Green through a dopey anagram program just because... er, because that's what you do when your only entertainment on a long boring night news desk shift is the wonder of the internet.... Anyhow, some of the results are at least mildly amusing, I think. ``Deter angels'', for example. Others are: ranted glee (!) Elder agent (!!) get ale nerd gate lender alert `n edge get real end enter glade Elder `n Gate (!!!) rent a ledge gentle dare rate legend a gentle red Proof perhaps of Hastur moving across the face of the Mythos? Anyone wants the URL for this Patented Waste of Time, just ask Jonathan Turner ``He has revolted. Resisted. Fought. Held fast. Maintained. Destroyed resistance. Overcome coercion. The right to be a person, someone or individual. We applaud his private war, and concede that despite materialistic efforts, he has survived intact and secure!'' - --The President; Fall Out ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:41:21 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Failing Drive Auto rolls (or Pilot Aircraft etc) On Tue, 7 Sep 1999, Eckhard Huelshoff, you jabronie, I'm going to take the People's Ink, load it into the People's Airneedle, turn it sideways and tattoo "The MiB was here" right above the People's footprint on your ROO-DEE-POO Candy-@$$: > > Remember: > > Dice make life interesting for players, and funny for referees. > > Dice work for referees, not against them. > > Hey, How do you know of the tattoe on my butt!?! That information is not available at your security clearance, citizen. Thank You for your cooperation. Happiness is Mandatory. You're not cleared for that. Fnord. The dice do not work for or against anyone. They just are, like rocks. It's all in how you use them. You can gamble, enhance role-playing or choke to death on them. It's all in the tumbling of the multi-faceted little gems we love and hate. How, when and why to roll them is not a labor, but a labor of love. Dice are a science. They are an art. They are a mystical experience. So stick that in your needle and tattoo it on your tuckus. > But the Belgians illuminate their motorways, which makes them the second > man-constructed object that can be seen from the moon after the Chinese > wall. At least the Belgians claim that it is that way. Illuminate? Moon? The Great Wall? And of course those fat bloody Belgian bastards! (It's been 20-something years and we still don't have a good national/ethnic slur for the fat bloody Belgian bastards!) The Man in Black is : a One Man Illuminated Motorway (OMIM) Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:56:19 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Gloomy Sunday On Tue, 7 Sep 1999 becole@juno.com wrote: > in English by Paul Robeson in 1940. Legend has it that "Gloomy Sunday" > (or "Szomoru Vasarnap," as it was known in Hungary) inspired suicides > wherever it was heard, hence its nickname, 'the suicide song.' Music to Kill Yourself By. I think I'll have The Royal Pant produced that album. Keep in mind that TRP is now a shiny metal wearing Gangsta' Rappa'. The techno-hiphop remix should be a big hit with all the Yo's. > Go to http://www.earth.ox.ac.uk/~nathan/poetry/poetry.html#gloomy for the > web site with the lyrics. > Depressing stuff, think I need to sharpen my straight razor. Straight Razor? Might I recommend that you broaden your horizons? The following URL is provided for amusement purposes only, and is not intended to be an "assist" of any kind. http://www.non.com/news.answers/suicide_methods.html The Man in Black is : planning on living forever, so far, so good. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V2 #56 *******************************