From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V2 #68 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Wednesday, September 15 1999 Volume 02 : Number 068 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 06:39:55 -0800 From: "Nomina sunt odiosa" Subject: Re: DG: Public Service: The MiB You're mighty brave in cyberspace flameboy! 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Wild speculations about Mi-go technology or using Hastur as a power source are invited. --Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:21:06 GMT0BST From: Robert Thomas Subject: DG: Antares Underwater Telescope Hello All, Browsing today and came across the following: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/specials/sheffield_99/news id_447000/447510.stm basically a telescope being built on the bottom of the mediteranean which looks down to detect neutrinos. Or at least thats the cover story. As this telescope is being funded by Sheffield University in the UK anyone want to bet it has Pisces connections, Shan project needing neutrinos or an attempt to find deep ones or cthonians? "Antares involves scientists from five European countries and is being installed 35 km off Toulon, France at a depth of 2.4km. It will consist of at least 13 cables floating vertically up 400m from the sea bed. On each will be 20 football-sized photo-detectors, ready to capture the light flashes. Because the detectors make a grid pattern it is possible to work out the exact direction the neutrino came from. Dr Thompson also assured his audience that bio-luminescent prawns would not set off the detectors and give a false reading." Is there a deep one colony in the Med? There's one near Cornwall but I can't remember one in the Med. Anyway thats enough from me. BCNU Rob. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:28:31 -0700 From: Jeff Ewing Subject: DG: At risk of off-topic smack-down. . . I believe we *have* discussed consumer brain-washing, secret messages in advertising, DG simulations set in the 50's and so on, so maybe this is a useful resource, but mainly I just wanted to let Super Dave know about this "Adopt-a-Mascot" which would seem to be perfect for any web-project he might be planning: http://www.lileks.com/institute/orphanage/orphans/super.html But don't deprive yourself of looking over the whole site, which is brilliant, to my mind: http://www.lileks.com/institute/index.html Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:41:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Pencis Subject: DG: Waco: environs and attitudes Steven wrote A website on cults (http://www.netcentral.co.uk/steveb/cults/davidians.html ) gives one useful piece of information - Koresh recruited heavily in Britain and Australia. Another website (http://www.branchdavidian.com/) offers Branch Davidian interpretation of Christian scripture, with http://www.branchdavidian.com/fiery.html discussing fiery serpents coming to cleanse the Earth and the Messiah as a Serpent. Hmm. SuperDave, as a Texas native, anything you can tell us about the town of Waco? 'Click - SuperDave is unavailable at the moment - please accept our stand-in AdequateChris' Growing up in Texas does things to you... I now live in the most liberal spot in Texas - Austin (an island of yippies). Actually, my Mother went to Baylor College in Waco and met my Father when he was stationed at John Connelly AFB there in early 60s, I showed up on the scene sometime later. So for background (anyone care to correct/revise - please advise): Waco is about 1.5 hours drive from both Dallas/Ft Worth and Austin, http://www.infoplease.com/ce5/CE054651.html It used to have John Connelly AFB there, with a large SAC Training base (Strategic Air Command - US Cold War B-52 base). It has Baylor University there, Texas State Technical College (2 year vocational) - it has about 100,000 residents. As far as the city make-up, it used to be extremely conservative, dry (no alcohol sold) county - however, through the 70s and 80s things loosened up and its a fairly standard Texas city. Watch out for stereotypes on that last statement - A short message here may have difficulty describing the standard "Texan" mindset - a contradiction in terms in and of itself (not the mind ;-) but the standard) Regarding the Waco siege - people have ascribed some of the militia like ideas of Koresh to the population of Waco in the generalization and discussion of the siege and its aftermath. In retrospect, Koresh didn't come to Waco (actually 11 miles south of the city) due to a certain synergy or agreement with his ideas in the community. What he probably found in the area was cheap land, lots of space and locals who would leave him alone (until ATF/FBI). This is turning into babble - I'll dig a bit more and try to post something more coherant later - as I said I'm AdequateChris Chris Pencis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:04:42 -0400 From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: Re: DG: Antares Underwater Telescope >Is there a deep one colony in the Med? There's one near Cornwall >but I can't remember one in the Med. DG suspects there to be one off the coast of Spain, IIRC. There was a spate of nuclear submarine losses in the area in the mid-late '60's. Unfortunately, the plug was pulled on the investigative mission (to be covered by naval maneuvers) due to DG's winding down following the Cambodia thang. Later Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:05:29 -0700 From: Jeff Ewing Subject: DG: Swiss DG? I'm wondering if our Swiss correspondent would care to comment on the case of Col. Peter Regli, the now-former chief of military intelligence in that country. Last month the Col. was suspended after an accountant in his department claimed that Col. Regli ordered him to buy 200 small arms, including sniper rifles for a secret intelligence unit, using laundered funds. This cache was recovered in a warehouse outside of Bern. This should ring plenty of bells for an operation like DG. Jeff --who read all this in the Economist ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:17:10 -0700 From: Scott Cleverdon Subject: DG: car chase Anyone remember the old bidding system for car chases from 007 rpg. I found it almost worked well. Similar experiences? Its so very hard to stop a chase of any sort from turning into a straightforward dice rolling event. regards scott cleverdon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:22:43 -0700 From: Scott Cleverdon Subject: DG: WACO again Mark, I believe the url you're looking for is : http://www.mnsinc.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/index.html sc At 5:54 AM -0700 9/15/99, deltagreen-digest wrote: > > I tend to think that DG was more intimately involved than putting in an >anonymous call. > Someone was doing some execution-style back of the head taps with a sidearm, >at least according to some of the autopsies on the bones that survived the >inferno. > Check some of the autopsy documentation. One skeleton was missing a big >chunk from the left side. The diagram looks suspiciously like a bite. A BIG >bite. > >Sorry I don't have the URLs at hand, but they aren't hard to find. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:57:50 -0400 From: becole@juno.com Subject: Re: DG: car chase On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:17:10 -0700 Scott Cleverdon writes: >Anyone remember the old bidding system for car chases from 007 rpg. Along the vein of 007, there was a game, Top Secret S/I (??) that used chase diagrams. They were sort of flow charts, but had bubbles on them. In each bubble was an event, so, I start a chase at A, I choose to go past the left and right turns. So now I wind up at bubble D, In Bubble D is a description of a encounter / hazard / dog crossing the road that I have to react to...and so on until I either head off the diagram (yeah, they gave up) THE GOONS chasing me don't get past an encounter or we shoot the tires out, etcetera etcetera. The idea is to allow people to pick a direction, and then to provide them with fairly realistic driving hazards that they have to cope and react to.. the cool part is when you apply the hazard to ALL vehicles in the chase chain...then the carnage racks up (ala Blues Brothers). >Its so very hard to stop a chase of any sort from turning into a >straightforward dice rolling event. I agree totally, but the other thing to consider is that unless your passengers want to provide entertainment for your guests (i.e., shooting out the back of the car) then there really isn't much to do except pick a direction, fasten your seat belts, and pray to the gods that your driver is observant and used to high-speed driving. -B (we had the Bentley revamped with courtesy firing ports out the back window) ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:49:01 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: Re: DG: Tradecraft, was: Nobody F*cks With The Mouse Hey Guys, I'll admit it's a cute concept, but agents dragging their kids to a clandestine resndevous? C'mon! Without the Kinder of course it would be awfully easy for the nasties to accuse them of stalking one of the kids. Phil On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:46:30 EDT LizardRoi@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 99-09-14 16:30:12 EDT, you write: > ><< The downside is that 2 adults meeting there sans kids would > probably be rather Norwegian. I suppose agents could rent/borrow >children > for the occasion. > >> > > Ah, but so many DG agents are divorced/separated that a couple of DG >Dads >getting some "quality time" with the kids at Chuck E. wouldn't look >too >outre. Ditto a buncha divorced dads/moms gathering at McDonald's for >the >weekend handoff. > > Some meetings could happen in the bleachers of a Little League game, >or at >soccer matches. Enter Agent Pele, the Hawaiian Soccer Mom in the SUV >of Death. > > Norwegian seems to be a winner. But newbies might want to know the >etymology. Somehow it just works better when you know the reference. > It's a reference to sex ad slang/code. Like French = oral, Greek = >anal, >someone (?) mentioned that in their papers, Norwegian referred to >paying >someone to watch you pleasure yourself. Or, whackin' off in public. > That should help with the context. > >Mark McFadden > > >Mark McFadden ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:15:24 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Antares Underwater Telescope In a message dated 99-09-15 11:56:31 EDT, you write: << DG suspects there to be one off the coast of Spain, IIRC. There was a spate of nuclear submarine losses in the area in the mid-late '60's. Unfortunately, the plug was pulled on the investigative mission (to be covered by naval maneuvers) due to DG's winding down following the Cambodia thang. >> The Med or Atlantic coast? Since the Med is such a new body of water, I suspect there would be no Deep One cities in the Med itself. Now, ancient Mediterranean Valley cities under water, stuffed with artifacts that weren't evacuated in time when the Gibraltar Ridge became the Straits would be more appropriate. IMHO. I've got no references for this, but it feels about right. Mark McFadden ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:17:22 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: WACO again In a message dated 99-09-15 13:32:22 EDT, you write: << Mark, I believe the url you're looking for is : http://www.mnsinc.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/index.html >> That's the one. Lot's of goodies. Mark McFadden ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:47:49 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: car chase In a message dated 99-09-15 13:32:19 EDT, you write: << Its so very hard to stop a chase of any sort from turning into a straightforward dice rolling event. >> Unless you have Car Fondlers in the group. If you think mentioning Glasers in earshot of a Gun Fondler will produce a blizzard o' verbiage, you should hear the "can not/can so" tweaking when a car chase ensues. And do not try to get away with a generic black sedan on their tail. You better know the make, model, and year. Car Fondlers tend to have a character sheet for their rides. Detailed down to brand of carbs and headers and struts. When the chase starts, we switch to Car Wars. Mark McFadden ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:22:32 MST From: "D.L. Serius" Subject: Re: DG: Waco Goodies(Another $!&*$ scenario) >From: becole@juno.com >Big 'ol scenario for WACO snipped. How about this for a scenario: Koresh was an ex DG-friendly. One of the ones who got a little too close to the truth for comfort. Did some work, saw some horrors, and was smart enough to cover his butt so that when he decides to quit, DG can't just clip him on general principles. After one too many tomes, bad ops, morally grey/black decisions he decides to hang it up. Does the 'Letter to the news/military/badguys if something happens to me' routine. DG stills makes an attempt (the 1987 shooting) which Dave beats, but is still willing to mind his own business. Rather than make more of a mess of it, DG lets it be. Dave gets some decent folks surrounding him (town witnesses said they were 'good people', and there was no mention of strangeness.) who are a little jumpy (plenty of instances of Davidians meeting strangers with guns) but friendly (they invited all kinds of people to visit). He gives them an apocalypse story and they prepare for it. Until a few years later, when something gets slipped to the wrong people. Now Dave's cover is known to one or more groups and DG can't afford to let him be. So bang, on with a raid. That goes bad, standoff ensues. Before DG can finish what they started, other groups get their hand in the cookie jar. Now you've got MJ-12, ATF, FBI, Texas Rangers, independents, the media (probably the most dangerous in this instance), and God only knows who else. Maybe even another DG cell beacause 'Hey, this has to be another cult thang!'. Everybody wants something different (live Dave, dead Dave, hostages, media fame, etc.) and the tug of war is on. So it goes for 51 days before somebody ends it, hard. Everybody then goes about the business of covering their butts, concealing evidence, and generally trying to forget it ever happened. Except for a few die hards, who through years of digging and fighting, finally manage to bring it back into the light. Now all kinds of hard decisions need to be made concerning security, but incredible care needs to be taken because the whole thing already screams CONSPIRACY HERE!! and nobody wants it to get worse. Time to set up a patsy or two (or 10-20) to take the heat. Just my thoughts for something a bit different. No real Mythos activity but great for that grey moral wasteland exploration. I would think is has the makings for an awesome investigation, but one that is full of landmines, therefore requiring skill and subtlety. No way the guys I play with could handle something so delicate. (They're graduates of the Wack-Em-All Academy of Investigation Closure.) Big D. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:34:35 -0400 From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: DG: Heathrow happenings Nice little story from Auntie about a "UFO" involved in a airborne "near-miss" last year over UK soil. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_448000/448267.stm So, some sort of Shan-plan or just the proverbial Scarlet Kipper? Later Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:38:36 -0300 From: "Diego Garcia" Subject: DG: The "real" truth behind reality Two weeks ago I saw the movie "13th floor" ( not bad ,but quite predictable after the first 30 minutes ) and an idea has been wandering in my mind since then. s p o i l e r s p a c e The idea is : What would happens if someone in the DG World discovers the real truth behind everything is that all what the characters are perceiving and experimenting is not real, only a product of the imagination of humans of the "true-real" world. And that their destiny is controlled by people that use it only for fun. It could be an interesting plot one in which the characters are trying to find a way to prove if their world is real or not, and later trying to get free from the real humans that controls their reality. Any comments? Diego Garcia. You can't hurt me, you are only a product of my own bizarre world. (Someone told this to me a long time ago) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:43:10 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: Re: DG: Waco Goodies(Another $!&*$ scenario) A little earlier someone brought up Oklahoma City. I seem to remember that there was a lot of noise for a little while concerning reports that the ATF had ordered its people not to show up at the office that day or some such thing. Does anyone have more? The DG potential for this thread seems even better than Waco if some of the things I seem to recall are developed. Phil Posehn ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:48:23 -0400 From: "Jimmie Bise, Jr." Subject: Re: DG: car chase > Unless you have Car Fondlers in the group. If you think mentioning Glasers > in earshot of a Gun Fondler will produce a blizzard o' verbiage, you should > hear the "can not/can so" tweaking when a car chase ensues. Glasers! GLASERS!???!!! - -Jimmie Bise Jr DG Gun Fondler DG Dojo Member DG Pedestrian at Large ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:07:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jay W. Dugger" Subject: Re: DG: Waco Goodies(Another $!&*$ scenario) On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, D.L. Serius wrote: [snippage] Two, count 'em, two scenarios from a single suggestion! One of them even has "that grey moral wasteland exploration" that long-time readers know lies so close to my black heart. [snippety-snip] - --------- Jay Dugger : Til Eulenspiegel til_e@hotmail.com : duggerj@reed.edu - --------- And to think I worried about DGML S/N ratio... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:25:52 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: The "real" truth behind reality Diego Garcia schrieb: > > > s > > p > > o > > i > > l > > e > > r > > > s > > p > > a > > c > > e > > The idea is : What would happens if someone in the DG World discovers the real > truth behind everything is that all what the characters are perceiving and > experimenting is not real, only a product of the imagination of humans of the > "true-real" world. And that their destiny is controlled by people that use it > only for fun. > It could be an interesting plot one in which the characters are trying to > find a > way to prove if their world is real or not, and later trying to get free from > the real humans that controls their reality. > > Any comments? > Hmph...I don't know. I'd try it for a single scenario, like in that STNG episode where Dr. Crusher is caught in the warp bubble [ IIRC the episode was called "Remember me" ]: The characters could unvoluntarily take part in some hideous experiment, or be drugged by MJ12 into experiencing the reality differently. But I wouldn't like it as a campaign concept. I consider it a bit too Matrixesque [ I think I developed a new word ]. But that's just my two cents. ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:24:26 -0700 From: Dr Cthulhu Subject: Re: DG: Waco Goodies Actually the FBI has said that Delta Force was there but they took no opposive actions because military groups can't do that to citizens. there where 3 Delta force people who where advising ATF and FBI memebers how to go about things at Waco. From what an ex FBI agent said on Hannity and Combs on Fox News was that military people usually aid with hostage situations and how to go about them with the best non lethal out come. becole@juno.com wrote: > > I don't know how many people have heard, but there are now stories > circulating about the presence of the almost mythical Delta Force having > had operatives present at Waco. I find it difficult to believe that an > elite counter-terrorist / counter-insurgency unit such as Delta whose > very nature requires that it be staffed with competent, capable, > intelligent personnel would ever be involved in wholesale > slaughter....which rolls right into what Fried Snake Boy was alluding to. > Maybe there was more to it. Maximum Tactical Force, applied firepower, > the use of incendiaries, and, presumably, a couple chaps from Delta Force > guarding one of the escape routes out of the compound with suppressive > fire. I don't know, sounds like bad tactics to me....block every chance > your prey has to get out and you suddenly see how capable it is of > fighting...unless your doctrine is immediate annihilation...which > obviously ain't the case with Waco. I remember reading that McViegh told some one (his lawer or reporters) that the catalyst to the bombing was the Waco invasion and that when he heard reports about it from friends who had contact with the Branch Dividians (sp?) and they told him some pretty cospitrious stories. > Saying that Waco inspired Oklahoma City? I don't know if I would dangle > my sizzled privates out in the open like that (okay, I'll admit, your F-4 > story has become more funny in retrospect). I would bet you some serious > hard cash that McViegh and Nichols ? were NOT singing hymns to Waco and > thinking of the burning bodies when they parked that truck out front of > the federal building. Waco as the "official" line, the plea bargain, who > can say? Perhaps there was "physical evidence" from Waco stored in the > building and the two chaps were ordered to take it out? > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:29:22 -0700 From: Dr Cthulhu Subject: Re: DG: car chase I have the old 007 game and I must say that I liked it. I will get it out of my basement and go over the rules again, thank you for the thought. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:45:32 +0100 From: "JT" Subject: DG: Re: car chase - -----Original Message----- From: Scott Cleverdon To: Delta Green List Date: 15 September 1999 18:50 Subject: DG: car chase >Anyone remember the old bidding system for car chases from 007 rpg. > >I found it almost worked well. > >Similar experiences? > There was a little table in the GM screen of Top Secret which simulated random chases in any environment; city streets, mountain roads, alleyways, sewers, whatever. Basically it was a bunch of circles containing different shaped junctions - you rolled the dice and determined which way the chosen path led. Certain areas had a 50/50 chance of a `mishap' which varied from a bumbling old lady floundering in front of your speeding car to gas pockets, roadworks, an oil spill or whatever your fiendish little imagination could think up. As for car chases in general, I guess it depends on how much you know about driving. I've done a police defensive driving course and I'm familiar with bodyguard/police techniques for taking cars off the road - where to shunt them and stuff, so it makes things more fun. Makes driving to work more fun too... Also, cars with manual gears are more fun to drive in car chases. That way you can block change for tight corners and get into all kinds of trouble. One of the best car chases ever - apart from Bullitt - has to be in Ronin. I freely admit to ripping off that whole convoy sequence to great effect in a DG scenario. Karotechia kidnapping a Gothic languages specialist. For more info on car chases, there's a few special forces books out there which detail convoy driving, shunting, etc. I can look them out if anyone's interested. regards, Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:50:24 +0100 From: "JT" Subject: Re: DG: car chase - -----Original Message----- From: becole@juno.com To: deltagreen@nocturne.org Date: 15 September 1999 19:20 Subject: Re: DG: car chase > >Along the vein of 007, there was a game, Top Secret S/I (??) that used >chase diagrams. *snip* sorry, there I go again, repeating other people... ;-) then there really isn't much to do except pick a direction, fasten your seat belts, and pray to the gods that your driver >is observant and used to high-speed driving. > There's also the radio, of course. In a RW police scenario the observer has to keep a running commentary for the benefit of the tape. How useful that is for DG depends on how deep your group is into the conspiracy. ``Suspect is taking left, left, left down one-way street, wrong way, wrong way.... uh, is that a Byakhee? Agent Logan firing shotgun... *blam* *thumpthumpthump*.... Confirmed, that was a Byakhee.... suspect taking right, right, right, through playground...'' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:00:42 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: Re: DG: Tradecraft, was: Nobody F*cks With The Mouse From: Dr Cthulhu > Even though the on near me is all beat up, there are literally crack > dealers out side of the palce hundreds of people go there each day just > to have an inclosed place to drop off their children. Also on another > note about CC they have some really good cakes, the little vanilla ones > are really good for only like 6 bucks. Now that sounds like a great place to have a scene for an op--a run-down Chuck E. Cheese surrounded by crack dealers, but with adults still using it as a surrogate daycare. The animatronic (clockwork???) creatures should provide some ideas to those who've read some of Mr. Tynes' short fiction. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:15:31 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: Re: Waco - The Real Story From: Steven Kaye > SuperDave, as a Texas native, anything you can tell us about the town of Waco? Doh! OK, I don't have much to say about the cult that hasn't already been said--partly because I haven't been keeping up with the recent news. But Hagbard did say he didn't want our ideas about it turn into just another cult story, and I agree, so how about this: maybe Koresh really WAS the Messiah. Only, Messiah for what? (My thoughts go back to the discussion of Dave K's ideas about God being a Dreamlands deity. Check the wonderfully revamped Ice Cave for details, and remember: commentary on people's religious beliefs is FOR GAME PURPOSES ONLY--no real-world disrespect intended.) As for the town itself--nowheresville, baby. My brother went to tech school there for a while, and it is deadly dull. I think the town fathers of Waco invited the cult there just to liven things up. There are a few points of interest: The Texas Ranger Hall of Fame--a mecca for any self-respecting Texan. The turnaround circle-drive thingie. I understand these kinds of road features are common in England, but Americans almost never encounter them. Waco has one just off Interstate Highway 35 and it's very scary! There's a big restaurant with excellent chicken-fried steak next to it that sells a T-shirt that reads something like "I survived the Circle of Death." The remains of the Branch-Davidian compound, which is a mecca for another type of weirdo. Other than that, I guess you could have students at the tech school building evil robots or something, but that's about it. Do we have anyone who knows Waco better than I? It wasn't exactly my choice of vacation spots, and I haven't stopped in for several years. And I am one of those no-good, stuck-up, hippy Austinites, after all. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:00:11 +0100 From: "JT" Subject: Re: DG: Waco Goodies - -----Original Message----- From: Dr Cthulhu To: Delta Green List Date: 15 September 1999 22:37 Subject: Re: DG: Waco Goodies >Actually the FBI has said that Delta Force was there but they took no >opposive actions because military groups can't do that to citizens. >there where 3 Delta force people who where advising ATF and FBI memebers >how to go about things at Waco There were also two SAS personnel there that were visiting Fort Bragg and asked to come over for a little briefing. FBI HRT and 22 SAS have a close relationship and cross-train frequently, like every other CT group in the western world, I guess.... I have a colleague who is a journalist in New York who did a piece for our paper this week about it. Supposedly the SAS guys, like Delta Force, were against a dynamic entry as they knew things would get nasty. There's a decent time-line of events at Waco at: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:56:21 -0400 From: becole@juno.com Subject: Re: DG: Waco Goodies Hey Doc, what's up? Not R'lyeh? (Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha......I see you as well as I find no humor in that... ) On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:24:26 -0700 Dr Cthulhu writes: > Actually the FBI has said that Delta Force was there but they took no > opposive actions because military groups can't do that to citizens. > there where 3 Delta force people who where advising ATF and FBI > members how to go about things at Waco. From what an ex FBI agent said on > Hannity and Combs on Fox News was that military people usually aid > with hostage situations and how to go about them with the best non lethal > out come. I always thought HRT out of Quantico could hold the FBI's hand on those things, but I am genuinely curious that the FBI would admit to the Blue Light presence but there is no interview with the personnel? I thought they rotated off Delta every few years or had to requalify....must be that thing about the "early retirement" incentive to go hide away with that government pension.... My only other question with regard to that Davidian situation would be, are we completely sure what the official U.S. Government's position was regarding the compound? > I remember reading that McViegh told some one (his lawer or > reporters) that the catalyst to the bombing was the Waco invasion and that when > he heard reports about it from friends who had contact with the Branch > Dividians (sp?) and they told him some pretty cospitrious stories. Yeah, it could happen to anyone, like that poor slob that shot Reagan, we really should have a chat with the dilectable Ms. Foster about that....... Got MiB???? -B ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:30:45 -0700 From: Dr Cthulhu Subject: DG: Senate Shoot up Remember the guy who shot up the senate building? I watched his interview with a govenment psychologist and he was talking like a mad man and it made me think. The man (I don't remember his name) talked about a race of Canibels who lived in the sewers and in dark places who would only attack at night, *cough* Ghouls *cough*, and he talked about how he killed them and how they look like hunced over people. Does this not reak of Delta Green? I can see a DG agent who was killing ghouls and went crazy, goes to his contact to DG (who happens to work in the senate) that he is done et cetera and shoots up the place when a guard at the front door tells him that he can't come in or (insert your own BS here). What do you all think about it? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:47:35 -0700 From: Dr Cthulhu Subject: Re: DG: Waco Goodies becole@juno.com wrote: > > I always thought HRT out of Quantico could hold the FBI's hand on > those things, but I am genuinely curious that the FBI would admit to the > Blue Light presence but there is no interview with the personnel? I > thought they rotated off Delta every few years or had to > requalify....must be that thing about the "early retirement" incentive to > go hide away with that government pension.... My only other question > with regard to that Davidian situation would be, are we completely sure > what the official U.S. Government's position was regarding the compound? The ATF said that they where serving a Search Warrent on David Koresh because he was taking Guns and modifying them from Semi-auto to Auto. Thats their official stance on the whole thing, frankley I don't belive it because there where over 100 chances they had to arrest him as every morning he would leave the compound and go have breakfast at a local diner and then he would go to the local shops. Also the Sherif of Waco said on one of thoes talk shows (I think it was H&C again) that he had breakfast with Koresh every Wensday morning and they normally discuesed the Bible, they even did this during the stand off. > Yeah, it could happen to anyone, like that poor slob that shot Reagan, > we really should have a chat with the dilectable Ms. Foster about > that....... Wait so if we shoot a President we don't get to talk to Jodi Foster? Great well now I gotta go put the gun away. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:44:02 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Waco Research All hail the lord of all things cold and scaly! I don't really want to do this much research on something this peripheral, plus that's the scuttlebutt, and they wouldn't know what really happened (if you don't know, they can't put your brain in a can and make you tell). Agent Xavier ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:50:07 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Agents between Ops. Friends? Weren't those people you used to be able to talk to? I can't quite remember. How do you still have friends? Not fair at all. To them or you. Agent Xavier ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:04:44 -0500 From: "Matt Cowger" Subject: DG: Change of venue Due to Majestic 12 inspection Tenebrous Technologies has moved its location of operations. We can be found in the header information of this document. Please redirect any incoming field and research information to this new email address..the old address is no longer secure, we repeat, the old address is no longer secure. The Web disinformation site remains the same but will also migrate shortly. Be careful and watch for changes. your friends at Tenebrous Technologies, +_+_+_+_+_+_+ Tenebrous Technologies- 'What we are up to is none of your business' A tradition in Guile, Deceit and Treachery since 1997 Matt Cowger, CEO tenebrae@earthling.net http://home.gvi.net/~tenebrae Vox: (###)###-##### +_+_+_+_+_+_+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:02:43 -0400 From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: Re: DG: Waco Goodies stop sending this wack ass mail asshole - -----Original Message----- From: Dr Cthulhu To: Delta Green List Date: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 10:37 PM Subject: Re: DG: Waco Goodies > > >becole@juno.com wrote: > >> >> I always thought HRT out of Quantico could hold the FBI's hand on >> those things, but I am genuinely curious that the FBI would admit to the >> Blue Light presence but there is no interview with the personnel? I >> thought they rotated off Delta every few years or had to >> requalify....must be that thing about the "early retirement" incentive to >> go hide away with that government pension.... My only other question >> with regard to that Davidian situation would be, are we completely sure >> what the official U.S. Government's position was regarding the compound? > >The ATF said that they where serving a Search Warrent on David Koresh >because he was taking Guns and modifying them from Semi-auto to Auto. >Thats their official stance on the whole thing, frankley I don't belive >it because there where over 100 chances they had to arrest him as every >morning he would leave the compound and go have breakfast at a local >diner and then he would go to the local shops. Also the Sherif of Waco >said on one of thoes talk shows (I think it was H&C again) that he had >breakfast with Koresh every Wensday morning and they normally discuesed >the Bible, they even did this during the stand off. > > > > >> Yeah, it could happen to anyone, like that poor slob that shot Reagan, >> we really should have a chat with the dilectable Ms. Foster about >> that....... > > >Wait so if we shoot a President we don't get to talk to Jodi Foster? >Great well now I gotta go put the gun away. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:59:13 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Waco Goodies In a message dated 9/15/99 5:57:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, becole@juno.com writes: << they use their contacts to substitute the incendiaries into the sieging forces' arsenals. The Incendiaries serve only one real purpose, they will incinerate K2's body and provide the necessary confusion for the DG agents on site to "sift, locate, and swap the Doppleganger's bones for those of a real human". >> NOT incendiaries!!!!!!! Tear gas!!! The cultists (or, for those of you who are willing to ascribe basically good intentions to most of MJ -12), a programmed assassin, lit of the flammable gas. Agent Xavier ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V2 #68 *******************************