From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V2 #69 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Thursday, September 16 1999 Volume 02 : Number 069 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:01:00 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Antares Underwater Telescope In a message dated 9/15/99 8:24:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ThomasR@cardiff.ac.uk writes: << Is there a deep one colony in the Med? There's one near Cornwall but I can't remember one in the Med. >> I think so. Maybe the Shans want to try an undersea launch. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:11:44 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: DG: Feds (was Waco) In a message dated 9/15/99 8:41:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cpencis@yahoo.com writes: << AdequateChris Chris Pencis >> More than adequate, I should say. But maybe we would like to start a thread on local attitudes toward feds in our areas I'll start: In Seattle, if your investigators are polite, explain what they want, and can show real badges, they'll probably get it. Agent Xavier If this has been done, send me an Archive ref. Please quote each write-up to underneath yours, so the last message will have everything. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:15:54 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Tradecraft, was: Nobody F*cks With The Mouse In a message dated 9/15/99 11:22:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, paposehn@juno.com writes: << I suppose agents could rent/borrow >children >> Come to think of it, would you lend your child to a man with a suspicious rifle-shaped bulge under his trenchcoat, a haunted expression, and a badge? Agent Xavier ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:24:03 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Waco Goodies In a message dated 99-09-15 22:16:32 EDT, you write: << Wait so if we shoot a President we don't get to talk to Jodi Foster? Great well now I gotta go put the gun away. >> I always wondered if shooting Jodie Foster would get Reagan's attention, or at least wake him up. But, given a choice between having Ron Ray-gun answering my email and Jodie Foster making "Hannibal", I've gotta go with the sequel and let the old soldier just fade away. A man's gotta have priorities. Mark McFadden For extra special conspiracy fun, check the Parascope (www.parascope.com) article on the Reagan shooting. Includes downloadable film clip and a close-ups of details. Did you know that the shooter's family and the Bush family were close? Did someone say coup de tat? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:48:28 -0400 From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: [none] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01BEFFD4.CF265CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please disregard the last post to the list coming from this address, it = seems my roommate was screwing around with my e-mail account. Andrew D. Gable gable@redrose.net "'Reality' is the only word in the language that should always be used = in quotes." My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, "Nervous Xians" - ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01BEFFD4.CF265CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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- ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01BEFFD4.CF265CA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:30:26 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: Re: The "real" truth behind reality From: Diego Garcia > You can't hurt me, you are only a product of my own bizarre world. > (Someone told this to me a long time ago) The proper response to that is to pinch his nose really hard, and when he complains, tell him he must have wanted you to do it--it's his bizarre world, after all. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:36:30 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: Re: From: Andrew D. Gable >>>Please disregard the last post to the list coming from this address, it seems my roommate was screwing around with my e-mail account.<<< I was thinking, "That doesn't sound like Andrew at ALL!" I hope you thrashed him soundly. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:58:47 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: Re: At risk of off-topic smack-down. . . From: Jeff Ewing > but mainly I just wanted to let Super Dave know about this > "Adopt-a-Mascot" which would seem to be perfect for any web-project he > might be planning: http://www.lileks.com/institute/orphanage/orphans/super.html Damn you, Super Dan the Value Man! DAAAAMMMNN YOOOOUUUUU! My favorite was Curly the Quisling Pig. Reminds me of all the octopus-ball stands in Japan, which have really excited-looking octopi wearing headbands and often holding big knives for chopping up fellow octopi for your dining pleasure. "Come, eat us!" I suppose the tables will turn after the Endtimes, and Deep Ones will have human-cutlet stands, with ad-banners of excited humans offering passers-by a nice, steaming plate of long pig. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:59:43 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: Re: Waco: environs and attitudes Amazingly More-Than-Adequate Chris wrote: > Growing up in Texas does things to you... Yes--it makes you better at details than SuperDave (as Jay knows well, I did a lot of my growing in Missouri and other places--that's right! I'm not a Native Texan! I admit it! Are you all happy now?! ARE YOU!!??). I'd completely forgotten about Baylor. Which, I have to admit, is not all that big a deal. The most memorable thing about Baylor for me is that they don't have nude models for thier life-drawing classes--the models have to wear swimsuits. I remember being a bit indignant about it, as at the time I was an art student making extra money by modeling classes at Southwest Texas State University (where LBJ graduated from). > It used to have John Connelly AFB there, with a large SAC Training base > (Strategic Air Command - US Cold War B-52 base). Another one I missed--doh! > Regarding the Waco siege - people have ascribed some of the militia like > ideas of Koresh to the population of Waco in the generalization and > discussion of the siege and its aftermath. In retrospect, Koresh didn't > come to Waco (actually 11 miles south of the city) due to a certain > synergy or agreement with his ideas in the community. What he probably > found in the area was cheap land, lots of space and locals who would leave > him alone (until ATF/FBI). I agree completely. The folks of Waco are your general keep-to-themselves Texans. If a guy wants to set up a religious compound, who cares? It's his business. Dave is getting more in touch with his Hawaiian side these days. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 04:45:40 EDT From: USFORREC1@aol.com Subject: DG: Waco and Moscow thoughts (Spoilers) Warning: There are some Countdown and Rules of Engagement spoilers below (I tried to keep them minor but still...) The way Waco exists in my campaign is as a DG cowboy op that hit "innocent" people. The Branch Davidians may have been guilty of some crimes but nothing to warrant the government actions (or DG involvement) that hit them. They were a fringe religion existing in isolation but faulty intelligence and scorched earth policy of DG brought the hammer down. The campaign quickly escalated from an assault carried out by ill-prepared DG agents and their lackeys that failed into a snowballing hybrid operation that gained a life of its own and ended in the tragedy (caused by DG). The Waco operation gets played up as a skeleton in the closet of DG and a dividing point of many of the agents. As a skeleton, it (along with Reggie's assassination) is a turning point for DG that caused the reorganization and end to many cowboy ops. Many agents and friendlies, however, see it as what the future could hold. They envision DG as a directing force behind federal actions against the mythos, with larger and larger hybrid ops becoming the norm until eventually DG can become official again and call upon the full resources of the government to stamp out the mythos. Others (such as Joseph Camp) realize that is a pipedream and seek to do the most good with what they have and maintain the secrecy. Cowboy ops still occur for a variety of reasons, reflecting this lingering belief. MJ is involved with Waco, too, for a variety of reasons. First and most importantly, they can hold it above DG's head. It was a rogue agency involved in an illegal and tragic operation. DG steps out of line and Waco can enter the news again. MJ can use this as a carrot (back of this op or whatever and the story dies) or the stick (a chance to expose DG) depending on what the current relations are between the groups. The current Waco headlines could very easily be an MJ-backed effort at attacking MJ or as a response to DG actions (the actions described in ROE make a perfect tie-in with this angle. After the attacks on OUTLOOK and the heating up of the MJ-DG rivalry, this is one way MJ is striking back). This skeleton also provides a cover for MJ operations as any discovered can be linked back to DG, at least in the public's mind. For example, in my campaign, the Oklahoma City bombing was a MJ move to eliminate both some DG agents and Friendlies, evidence of various operations, and some unwanted MJ contacts (it also served as a warning blow against DG and other purposes detailed below). The first layer of deception are the patsies and by association, the militias. If that cover is blown, MJ can drop Waco evidence and other DG skeletons along with Oklahoma City evidence and whatever. DG takes the rap and who is going to believe one government conspiracy ranting about another when the evidence points at them. The other purpose for MJ involvement is that it allows DG to begin doing the work for them. DG worked hard to cover-up Waco and MJ gave a hand because by painting the Branch Davidians as fanatics, they could push forward social engineering and change public perceptions (probably coming from OUTLOOK programs). Any group opposing MJ could be painted with such labels and laws favorable to long-range MJ plans could become reality. Oklahoma City served a similar function. Hostile segments of the populace could be isolated and dealt with if the need arose and more and more laws come into effect (restricting Americans and freeing MJ). DG set this into motion and MJ can reap the benefits without the risks. MJ also learned that feeding the right intelligence to DG can get them to respond the way MJ wants. Feed a report about possible mythos connections at Ruby Ridge and DG is there with snipers. Another skeleton in the closet. Feed intel about someone else that MJ wants dead then and DG does the dirty work. And so on.. The other group benefiting the most from these ops is the Karotechia. Each cowboy op pushes a few more into the camp of antigovernment forces were the Karotechia can gain recruits. Since they aren't even responsible, it makes their case look more sincere. Not a good development. Before I end, I wanted to share a thought on the Moscow bombings. Besides the Skoptsi connection already mentioned, I have several other possible scenario ideas. First, the area that the Arab warlord Khattab is operating out of is southern Dagestan. This is the area where the Skoptsi set up their first settlement. That could mean that this settlement's ruins or an isolated, surviving one has been discovered by the rebels. These would have no connection to the modern Skoptsi in America but either something in the ruins or the survivors corrupted forces of the rebels. Skoptsi survivors may even have been slaughtered and their artifacts taken (which still corrupted the rebels). Another option is that the mysterious Black Monk described as influencing the creation of the Skoptsi is still around. He may have influenced the rebels or their leadership at least to serve the mythos. He probably didn't go with the Skoptsi angle but some other avenue of belief and corruption, maybe even their nationalism. They are a new force for him to wield. A final option could be the Karotechia is using them as a front to both strike at their hated enemies (the Russians as a whole and GRU SV-8 in particular). This mission could be headed by Galt through his Arab, organized crime and mercenary connections. The bombings could be an attempt to eliminate GRU SV-8 members or other potential enemies/rivals or just another footstep towards the Endtimes, a program to spread chaos and bring about some specific action or change in Russia. Anyway, hope some of you found this useful... - -Dave K ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:31:42 +0100 (BST) From: "David.Clements" Subject: Re: DG: Antares Underwater Telescope From: Robert Thomas >Browsing today and came across the following: >http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/specials/sheffield_99/news >id_447000/447510.stm >basically a telescope being built on the bottom of the mediteranean >which looks down to detect neutrinos. Or at least thats the cover >story. As this telescope is being funded by Sheffield University in >the UK anyone want to bet it has Pisces connections, Shan >project needing neutrinos or an attempt to find deep ones or >cthonians? Interestingly enough I know some of the people at work on this project. They're also responsible for a 'dark matter' detector built inside a mine in Yorkshire - the deepest mine in Europe. This might suggest that there is some contact with Cthonians, but what Cthonians would want in the mediterranean I don't know. Alternatively could be some sort of study of extreme environments on Earth inspired by Shan or Fungi... The guy on the project I know best, Neil Spooner, always struck me as a little odd. Thinking about it, its possible he has the Insmouth look... Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 06:51:49 -0400 From: Steven Kaye Subject: Re: DG: Antares Underwater Telescope At 2:15 PM -0400 9/15/99, LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 99-09-15 11:56:31 EDT, you write: > > The Med or Atlantic coast? > Since the Med is such a new body of water, I suspect there would be no Deep >One cities in the Med itself. > Now, ancient Mediterranean Valley cities under water, stuffed with artifacts >that weren't evacuated in time when the Gibraltar Ridge became the Straits >would be more appropriate. IMHO. > I've got no references for this, but it feels about right. In one of his letters to Clark Ashton Smith, Lovecraft talks about the Averones (the people who would settle in Averoigne) coming from Atlantis. Maybe someone's looking for loot? Alternatively, the Shan are behind it after all - but it's not neutrinos they're trying to detect, it's lloigor. With their newly-acquired knowledge of Mythos activities in the UK, the Shan don't want the Dragon Kings making any trouble for them. Steven - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Steven Kaye box_nine@ix.NOSPAM.netcom.com "In short, we did all we could to stimulate an official discovery of the ghastly wreck, without making reference to incredible manifestations, or to humane but illegal acts of euthanasia." -- Michael Shea, The Colour Out of Time ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:47:53 -0400 From: becole@juno.com Subject: Re: DG: Senate Shoot up On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:30:45 -0700 Dr Cthulhu writes: >The man (I don't remember his name) talked about a race of >Cannibals who lived in the sewers and in dark places who would only attack at >night,*cough* Ghouls *cough*, and he talked about how he killed them and >how they look like hunced over people. Two words my man.........Teddy Kennedy............... -B ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:53:34 -0400 From: becole@juno.com Subject: DG: Re: Cleaning..... On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:48:28 -0400 "Andrew D. Gable" writes: >Please disregard the last post to the list coming from this address, >it seems my roommate was screwing around with my e-mail account. You DO of course realize that this inexcusable compromise of security WILL have to be plugged? Does your roommate have any family, a girlfriend / spouse / confidant? If so, where might we find them? -B (Readying my rubber gloves and Phosphoric Acid bottles) ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:49:17 +0100 From: "Gary Matthews" Subject: DG: New York I'm not sure whether I missed anything on the list, but has there been any discussion of the recent outbreak of St Louis encephalitis in New York ? Brings to mind all sorts of possibilities - using a live vector as a BW delivery system, MJ-12 signatures, (The Fate?), etc. Perhaps it freaked me out more than other list-members as I'd just finished reading "The Cobra Event" by Richard Preston (dealing with a bioterrorist targeting ....... New York). With regards to the book, it's not particularly well-written fiction (it also has one or two glaring scientific and methodological errors) but it should certainly work as a plot seed or scenario against less well-informed agents. Any Comments? Gary ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:02:33 +0100 From: "Gary Matthews" Subject: DG: Antarctic Expedition I read with interest in today's copy of Nature (401:195-308), that a multinational expedition will soon be formulated to investigate Lake Vostok; an uncharted lake some 4 km below the surface of the Antarctic ice. Around 80 scientists will meet in Cambridge, England next week to discuss the expedition. It will follow on from previous studies that stopped 120m short of the lake for fear of contamination (do they know something that we don't .... or do? contamination of what - the lake, or us?). Apparently, NASA are also interested - according to them, "it offers a 'testbed' for the search for alien life in the ice-covered ocean thought to exist on Jupiter's moon Europa". Yeh, yeh - pull the other one. "A consensus emerged that there were compelling scientific reasons for studying this lake that go well beyond the thrill of exploration". Boy, are they in for a surprise! "Many aspects of this programme have never been done and have no documented approaches" concluded an NSF panel - they just haven't done their literature review properly. Must get back to reading BTMoM - I wonder whether they will show "The Thing" as their in-flight movie? Gary Matthews ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 05:23:26 -0800 From: "Nomina sunt odiosa" Subject: DG: Re: Alternate Pasts for DG Inspiration - two glocks held sideways In fact firing your weapon sideways makes for really interesting burns in your face, as more and more b-boys are finding out. Stupid bastards. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The coolest site for free home pages, email, chat, e-cards, movie info.. | | http://www.goplay.com - it's time to Go Play! | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:28:43 -0400 From: "Nerva Vels" Subject: DG: Re: New York That's an interesting situation, a bioterrorist plot using encephalitis... but it mainly affects adversely the very young and the elderly. now.. the question I have is how the hell an error in scoring a test sent a slew of children to repeat a grade, and NOW they can't correct the mistake? so a bunch of kids who otherwise would have been in the next grade are back by a grade... which means, if they don't correct it next year, they graduate a year later... hrm... wonder who's kids they are... Nervy "There's always SOMETHING to smile about.... " "Love is how we feel towards those who show us that which is lovable about ourselves." -- Gerry Spence - ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Matthews To: DG Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 7:49 AM Subject: DG: New York > I'm not sure whether I missed anything on the list, but has there been any > discussion of the recent outbreak of St Louis encephalitis in New York ? > Brings to mind all sorts of possibilities - using a live vector as a BW > delivery system, MJ-12 signatures, (The Fate?), etc. Perhaps it freaked me > out more than other list-members as I'd just finished reading "The Cobra > Event" by Richard Preston (dealing with a bioterrorist targeting ....... New > York). With regards to the book, it's not particularly well-written fiction > (it also has one or two glaring scientific and methodological errors) but it > should certainly work as a plot seed or scenario against less well-informed > agents. Any Comments? > > Gary > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:55:56 -0700 From: Jeff Ewing Subject: Re: DG: New York At 12:49 PM 9/16/99 +0100, you wrote: >I'm not sure whether I missed anything on the list, but has there been any >discussion of the recent outbreak of St Louis encephalitis in New York ? The thing about this that interests me is the fact that there's now a reason for constant helo overflights and men in strange outfits clumping around your back yard. This was first brought home to me one summer when I was back in LA. Two guys come to the door of my Dad's house claiming to be from the "Mosquito Abatement District" and want to look at the pool and backyard. "Yeah," I said, "sure, M.A.D. indeed. Mind if I call your office?" They agreed and gave me the phone number, and sure enough there is a M.A.D. authority. Another obscure city agency with the right to poke around your house. It seems to me that these could be very handy friendlies! Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:07:40 -0400 From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: Re: DG: New York Gary "Coke-fiend" Matthews wrote: >I'm not sure whether I missed anything on the list, but has there been any >discussion of the recent outbreak of St Louis encephalitis in New York ? >Brings to mind all sorts of possibilities - using a live vector as a BW >delivery system, MJ-12 signatures, (The Fate?), etc. Nope, no discussions on the topic whatsoever. The big problem is not so much the virus as the mosquito vector (which has dramatically multiplied due to the screwy weather conditions on the U.S. east coast of late). SLE is a nasty bug, but not really BW fodder as the effects are too unpredictable (it causes the mosts severe illness in the really young and really old). More interesting would be a scenario where the someone (MJ-12) releases a few mosquitos carrying an attenuated (weakened) strain of the virus. Panic ensues, government pledges action. Along comes a "charitable" pharmaceutical/agrochemical (MJ-12 front) company and offers to sell the city a cheap supply of insecticide in their hour of need. City leaps at the chance and begins mass spraying to get rid of the plague of mosquitoes. Of course, there's something else (insert plot device[TM] here) in the insecticide as well.... Something which MJ-12 wants tested on a large population. Something which can have it's distribution controlled to find out how effective it is. Something nasty in a mind control way - promoting sensitivity towards subliminal imagery perhaps? When the local TV stations put out a advert for New, Improved Wheatie Flakes a month or so later, thats when the riots start in the affected areas. Anyway just a thought. BTW: GM, the Package is en route. Later Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:04:41 -0400 From: BRUCE BALLON Subject: DG: Poppyseeds Hi all, I recall that we all had a discussion re: drug testing and poppyseeds. Well, I got around to talking to a methadone doc, seems you can get positive for opiates with eating just one poppyseed bagel after all. However, the opiate will come back on the drug screen as 'non-morphine' types, but that of course costs extra money to determine. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:06:24 -0400 From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: Re: DG: New York In elder days, Graeme hath written: >More interesting would be a scenario where the someone (MJ-12) releases a >few mosquitos carrying an attenuated (weakened) strain of the virus. Panic >ensues, government pledges action. Along comes a "charitable" >pharmaceutical/agrochemical (MJ-12 front) company and offers to sell the >city a cheap supply of insecticide in their hour of need. City leaps at the >chance and begins mass spraying to get rid of the plague of mosquitoes. Of >course, there's something else (insert plot device[TM] here) in the >insecticide as well.... Something which MJ-12 wants tested on a large >population. Something which can have it's distribution controlled to find >out how effective it is. Hunh. Or mebbe Mr. Alzis is behind it all...maybe preparing to unleash a ghoulish plague on NY at some point in the future. BTW, are encephalopathies anything like encephalitis, or is the similarity name-deep only? Andrew D. Gable gable@redrose.net "'Reality' is the only word in the language that should always be used in quotes." My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, "Nervous Xians" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:08:00 -0400 From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: DG: Re: Poppyseeds >Well, I got around to talking to a methadone doc, seems you can get >positive for opiates with eating just one poppyseed bagel after all. I think somebody watched last night's repeat of 'Seinfeld.' :) Andrew D. Gable gable@redrose.net "'Reality' is the only word in the language that should always be used in quotes." My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, "Nervous Xians" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:03:10 +0200 From: cd skogsberg Subject: Re: DG: New York Andrew D. Gable wrote: > BTW, are encephalopathies anything like encephalitis, or is the > similarity name-deep only? IIRC, and I am not a medical student of any stripe, it's just name-deep - both involve the brain, hence the "encephalos" stem. Encephalitis is inflammation of the brain, encephalopathies seem to be more "deep-going" diseases: kuru and CJD (the human version of mad cow disease) are both "spongiform encephalopathies", prion diseases that turn the brain into a sponge, and involving the whole brain. /cd - -- "If more languages had _smite_ implemented, the remaining programmers would be better than the current average." -- Mike Andrews in the scary.devil.monastery ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:42:38 -0400 From: Steven Kaye Subject: Re: DG: Web Story of Interest -- Entropy Engine At 11:18 AM -0400 9/15/99, Keith J Potter wrote: >Check this out... > > http://www.wired.com/news/lycos/technology/story/21641.html > > Entropy Engine indeed. Wild speculations about Mi-go technology or >using Hastur as a power source are invited. Hmm. A device that (allegedly) decreases entropy being widely available. If anything would make the lloigor wake up, this would be it - it's a direct threat to their existence. And if this makes enough commotion, killing the inventor and destroying the device won't be enough. Isn't there a Serpent Mound in Ohio (where Entropy Systems,Inc.is based)? And what did happen to the Mound Builders, anyway? The Mi-Go worshipped Ghatanothoa (you can read it in "Out of the Aeons," IIRC). So do the lloigor. The Mi-Go seem to want to preserve humanity for their own nefarious purposes, while the lloigor just like the way our souls (or POW, or psychic energy, or whatever) taste. Still a bit too easy - alien races battle each other, while humans (mostly) stay out of it, but might be something to build on. Steven - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Steven Kaye box_nine@ix.NOSPAM.netcom.com "In short, we did all we could to stimulate an official discovery of the ghastly wreck, without making reference to incredible manifestations, or to humane but illegal acts of euthanasia." -- Michael Shea, The Colour Out of Time ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:01:39 -0400 From: Keith J Potter Subject: Re: DG: Web Story of Interest -- Entropy Engine Steven Kaye wrote: > Isn't there a Serpent Mound in Ohio (where Entropy Systems,Inc.is > based)? And what did happen to the Mound Builders, anyway? Better'n that... Youngstown (where the company is based) is a suburb of Dayton, which is home to Wright-Patt AFB--the military base second only to Area 51 in UFO/conspiracy lore. --Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:49:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Pencis Subject: [none] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:00:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Pencis Subject: DG: Mythos Bumperstickers etc Here's a link to put in Section 8 - I don't recall seeing it previously at the ice cave http://www.benwaytanner.com/ They make a lot of bumper stickers and such. My favorites are the Miskatonic University Lambda Lot parking decal, Miscatonic University rear window decal (ala Harvard), Innsmouth Community College Sea Devils and the Miskatonic University - Home of the Fightin' Cephalopods! take a look - ps sorry for the screwed up ghost message. pps Not associated with the company, just thought it humerous. Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:13:38 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Alternate Pasts for DG Inspiration - two glocks held sideways In a message dated 99-09-16 08:45:49 EDT, you write: << In fact firing your weapon sideways makes for really interesting burns in your face, as more and more b-boys are finding out. Stupid bastards. >> The first time I ever saw the sideways grip was in a Soldier of Fortune article about using your sidearm left-handed when your right hand is out of commission. They focussed on ways to draw left-handed from a right-handed rig, but all of the shooting stances had the gun held sideways. They reason given was to aid in aiming. Reflexes would still favor the right eye, so by holding the gun sideways, you were still sighting along the top of the barrel. Don't know, I'm a virtual fondler at best. But I think that's where the concept came from. Even Chow Yun Fat held the *left* gun sideways in The Killer and Hardboiled. And I suspect that's where the homeboys picked it up. Mark McFadden Equally good with either hand. Not very. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:22:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Pencis Subject: DG: Real world spy communications method? An article at Salon mag discusses 'Numbers Stations' - apparently stations broadcasting across shortwave which send encoded messages. Publicly available, but little known, they have gathered attention because of the 'carrier' or code. One of which is a girl just reciting numbers, over and over again... definite spook material, http://www.salon1999.com/people/feature/1999/09/16/numbers/index.html OBDG: Ability of DG to make contact with agents via a Friendly with access to the NSA controlled broadcasting network? Interceptions of MJ broadcasts by DG friendly crypto expert? ta ta.. Chris Pencis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:54:40 -0400 From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: Re: DG: Re: Alternate Pasts for DG Inspiration - two glocks held sideways Mark "Spartacus" McFadden wrote: > The first time I ever saw the sideways grip was in a Soldier of Fortune >article about using your sidearm left-handed when your right hand is out of >commission. Goes back a bit further I guess. In pre-revolutionary China (1930s), the government (Kuo-min-tang??! [sic]) forces were issued with the old "broomhandle" Mausers. Anyway, turns out that if you turn said mondo handgun on it's side and hold down the trigger, the action will jerk the gun across in a wide arc whilst spitting out 7.92mm leaden death. Perfect for, erm... how was it termed? Crowd control. Later Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:57:40 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Re: Alternate Pasts for DG Inspiration - two glocks held sideways Graeme Price schrieb: [snip] > Goes back a bit further I guess. In pre-revolutionary China (1930s), the > government (Kuo-min-tang??! [sic]) forces were issued with the old > "broomhandle" Mausers. Anyway, turns out that if you turn said mondo > handgun on it's side and hold down the trigger, the action will jerk the > gun across in a wide arc whilst spitting out 7.92mm leaden death. Perfect > for, erm... how was it termed? Crowd control. > This use of a weapon in a let's call is "untypical manner" reminds me of the Uzi SMG. When the weapon is ready [ charged? ] and secured and it takes a hit [ like smashing it against a concrete wall ] there is a good chance that the weapon will empty its 32 x 9mmP in autofire. Therefore we were taught that it could be a good tactic that if we wanted to conquer a building and were out of grenades to take an Uzi and throw it through that window where we suspect most of the enemies. Of course if the trick doesn't work you have provided the enemy with an additional weapon and ruined you surprise. ECKHARD Who alway tells his homies to use their guns in the most effective way ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:02:16 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: DG: test? This is a test. It's been 24 house since I last had a sign of life from the list. Is anyone out there? Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:41:52 -0500 From: "Shane Ivey" Subject: RE: DG: Re: Alternate Pasts for DG Inspiration - two glocks held sideways YES! Where were you when Monty Python was still doing sketch comedy?? Sergeant: "Right, men... hunker down here and listen... careful, there, that building is packed... there's only the four of us, but I think I know a way we just might beat the odds... ready: after me." Four Uzis fly into a window. After a confused silence, a dozen men inside cheer. Sergeant: "Blast! It always works in the movies..." SHANE IVEY, Editor and Webmaster, Zealot.com This week at Zealot.com: the full cast of The Fellowship of the Ring Also "Geek Lovin" (our latest MP3), and the latest movie reviews! Hecklers Online, Inc: www.hecklers.com - www.ant.com - www.zealot.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-deltagreen@nocturne.org [mailto:owner-deltagreen@nocturne.org]On Behalf Of Eckhard Huelshoff Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 3:58 PM To: deltagreen@nocturne.org Subject: Re: DG: Re: Alternate Pasts for DG Inspiration - two glocks held sideways This use of a weapon in a let's call is "untypical manner" reminds me of the Uzi SMG. When the weapon is ready [ charged? ] and secured and it takes a hit like smashing it against a concrete wall ] there is a good chance that the weapon will empty its 32 x 9mmP in autofire. Therefore we were taught that it could be a good tactic that if we wanted to conquer a building and were out of grenades to take an Uzi and throw it through that window where we suspect most of the enemies. Of course if the trick doesn't work you have provided the enemy with an additional weapon and ruined you surprise. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:50:07 +0100 From: "JT" Subject: DG: Re: Re: Alternate Pasts for DG Inspiration - two glocks held sideways - -----Original Message----- From: Nomina sunt odiosa To: deltagreen@nocturne.org Date: 16 September 1999 14:00 Subject: DG: Re: Alternate Pasts for DG Inspiration - two glocks held sideways > >In fact firing your weapon sideways makes for really interesting burns >in your face, as more and more b-boys are finding out. Stupid >bastards. > Not tomention a look of surprise when they jam.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:31:16 -0400 From: "Jimmie Bise, Jr." Subject: DG: Re: test? >It's been 24 house since I last had a sign of life from the list. >Is anyone out there? > I'm here...just laying low, riding out Hurricane Floyd... - -Jimmie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:15:26 -0400 (EDT) From: g m Subject: RE: DG: Re: car chase One of the best car chases ever - apart from Bullitt - has to be in Ronin. I freely admit to ripping off that whole convoy sequence to great effect in a DG scenario. Karotechia kidnapping a Gothic languages specialist. //De-lurk Sorry for the low profile, but THEY are watching me...and I'm reading DARK THEATRES, RULES OF ENGAGEMENT & COUNTDOWN all at once... For another good car chase, the one at the beginning of "The Hidden" is a memorable one, good for when agenst are chasing someone/thing that doesn't care about pain... GAry m, minor epot aka Sneezy the Squid - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V2 #69 *******************************