From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V2 #70 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Friday, September 17 1999 Volume 02 : Number 070 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:21:35 -0400 From: Daniel Harms Subject: DG: Capitol Hill, Computers, and Cannibals Someone mentioned the interview with the Capitol Hill shooter, so I tracked down the story. It makes the MiB's RPG sessions look tame... Shooting Suspect's Interview Aired WASHINGTON (AP) - A man charged with killing two U.S. Capitol police officers told a government psychiatrist he was trying to reach a computer in the building that would make him immortal. ``I've been murdered and cannibalized a few times (while institutionalized),'' Russell Weston Jr. says in an interview taped six months after the July 1998 shootings and broadcast Tuesday night on CBS-TV's ``60 Minutes II.'' Weston, 42, is charged with murdering Capitol Police officers John M. Gibson and Jacob J. Chestnut in the Capitol on July 24, 1998. He has been at the Federal Corrections Center in Butner, N.C., since May 5, when U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan determined he was incompetent to stand trial. In the interview broadcast by CBS, Weston told a government psychiatrist that a computer in the U.S. Senate will return him to life if he is executed. ``I will be given the death penalty. I will be made to die,'' he says on the tape. ``Whenever I die, I only die for maybe three or four seconds. As soon as I do, I end up in the great safe of the U.S. Senate which is Ruby Satellite Control. ...That program will time reverse sweep me away and when it sweeps me away it will reverse me back to a point where I am no longer deceased.'' CBS did not say how it obtained the tape. Weston's lawyers could be not be reached Tuesday night for comment. Weston also said on the tape that his mission in life was to rid the world of cannibals and that he has learned that the judge in his case ``was involved with black-market racketeering, murder and cannibalism.'' ObDG: Do I have to spell it out? Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu The Internet: Learn what you know. Share what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:08:47 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: DG: Testing Davide [ off-topic ] Davide, do you receive this? ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:08:46 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Re: car chase g m schrieb: > One of the best car chases ever - apart from Bullitt - has to be in Ronin. I > freely admit to ripping off that whole convoy sequence to great effect in a > DG scenario. Karotechia kidnapping a Gothic languages specialist. [snip] > For another good car chase, the one at the beginning of "The Hidden" is a > memorable one, good for when agenst are chasing someone/thing that doesn't > care about pain... Not to forget the one in ye good old trashy "Cobra" with Stallone. ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:03:04 -0000 From: "Crossingham, Adam" Subject: Re: DG: Antares Underwater Telescope LizardRoi/Mark McFadden writes: <<< The Med or Atlantic coast? Since the Med is such a new body of water, I suspect there would be no Deep One cities in the Med itself. >>> I think you'll right. but there definitely is Deep One activity there, as documented in a scenario (set on ?Fantari island) in the Fatal Experiments book. I think Lumley implies a thing or two as well. <<< Now, ancient Mediterranean Valley cities under water, stuffed with artifacts that weren't evacuated in time when the Gibraltar Ridge became the Straits would be more appropriate. IMHO. I've got no references for this, but it feels about right. >>> Well if you buy into the 'Hyborian prehistory as part of the Mythos' argument then parts of Stygia are under the Med, it's temples dark secrets hidden under the mud and water. I think the Med flooded around 6000 BC (same time approx. as the North Sea basin), though I'm sure Davide Mana could chip with more accurate dates and info. There wouldn't be many remains left around the straits due to cutting action of the bore, but there might be more significant remains further east into the Med. There are almost certainly some even earlier remains there, if Jericho (Palestine) and Catal Hyuk (Anatolia, Turkey) were around in 8000 & 6500 BC respectively, then the plains that became the Med would have been even more attractive. As to historical settlements, I'm not entirely sure. There are recorded instances of Roman urban remains that rise and fall from the Med (due to volcanism in the area, I think). You could push that example to cover ancient Minoan, Greek, Phoenician, Carthaginian, etc, etc if you needed to. On a more fantastic note, the sadly underrated Nephilim game has the Med before the flood as a second Eden that was sabotaged by jealous and conspiratorial mankind. - -- Adam Crossingham E-mail: adam.crossingham@octavian1009.e-mail.com Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:52:11 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Skill levels in CoC / DG On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 Appelion@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/9/99 1:12:37, mib@cyberspace.org writes: > > >But > >to be 90% he would have to be the best Accountant the IRS has,either the > >commissioner or deputy commissoner. > Those are administrators. You don't really think Justin Kroft could kick > Lepus's ass, do you? But he certainly is higher in the chain of command. I fail to see your logic. The skill required for the IRS would be Accountant, and not a whole lot more. Majestic, OTOH has admin, military, head-games, ultra-tech and a whole lot more stuff than the IRS. So while Kroft might not be able to personally kill Lepus (unless those mutant rumors are true), Combat skills are in no way the central skill for Majestic, which shouldn't even have one. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:47:18 GMT0BST From: Robert Thomas Subject: Re: DG: Real world spy communications method? Hello All, Chris wrote: > An article at Salon mag discusses 'Numbers Stations' I think I mentioned these before but may as well repeat briefly. These operate in the UK as well where it is illegal to listen to them unless you ae the intended recipiant so even if you tune in by accident your breaking the law. They were mentioned briefly in a TV show on Channel 4 by a comedian having a go at Menwith Hill NSA base: http://www.menwithhill.com/ check out the links pages for all you need to know (well almost all) about communication interceptions. Cheers Rob "got ROE & DT but no CD in box ahh has it been intercepted?" Thomas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:55:36 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Skill levels in CoC / DG On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 Appelion@aol.com wrote: > I would have to say that the rules (generation) are perfectly good as it > were. The problem is with the Mrine sniper. The rules were not designed for > him. Try Rolemaster, or GURPS Black Ops for this. Although I've never used > either, although the latter is on the horizon. Neither Rolemaster or GURPS Black Ops were designed for a USMC sniper (yuo're thinking of GURPS Special Ops and Rolemaster's modern rules which sucks the eternal void like all their other rules). The point is that by interpreting the rules in the spirit and wording of the rulebook, a Marine Sniper works just fine without altering BURPS. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:03:30 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: Hand grenades (was DG: Short range shooting with a scope) On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, Jeff Ewing wrote: > I think perhaps people are influenced by Hollywood Grenades (TM), which > go up in a visually pleasing petrochemical explosion with lotsa fire and > black smoke and a studio sound effects library BOOM. According to GURPS, the effect of cinematic grenades is to function like a small nuclear bomb when doing damage to enemies or enemy equipment, and to be easily avoided by PC's who perform "the leap," otherwise doing 1d-2 cr. damage. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:09:19 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Re: FAQ: Andrea On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, Graeme Price wrote: > Guys, guys... I'm telling you ANDREA _is_ Reggie (or do I mean that the > other way around?). All this female assassin crap is just a smokescreen put > up by Uncle Joe to keep us guessing! And I'm telling you that ANDREA is Reggie, only dressed up in drag like a ballerina costumed J.Edgar Hoover. But seriously, ANDREA is left to be an exercise for the astute keeper. On the List she might be a whuppass Section-1, and in Price's sorry ass campaign she might be Fairfield the Great (HAIL REGGIE~!). But in strewth, it's best left unspoken, unknown, and... nice underwear Reggie! The Man in Black is : leaving this party for a less gay scene. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:36:07 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: Hand grenades (was DG: Short range shooting with a scope) On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 becole@juno.com wrote: > The 5-5-6 likes to tumble, and tumbling bullets make for unhappy > enemies. The 5.56 tumbles through the air with the greatest of ease theory is pure bullshit. Such a beast wouldn't hit Space/Time without YOG-SOTHOTH. Now, once *any* bullet enters flesh, then all sorts of interesting possibilities arise, but stories of the "it hit him in the foot and left via the top of his skull" variety are meant to expose the gullible. > I cannot recommend Palladium's Weapons Compendium Neither can I... he said sarcastically. > I have never been shot, but the one time I had a serious RW injury > (nearly cut a finger off) I took one look at it, then proceeded to go > "pale", as one observer put it, then went straight to my car with the > MANUAL transmission. Luckily, someone stopped me and got me to ride with > them to the hospital. Needless to say, I wasn't thinking clearly, and > only later, while getting sutured, did I realize exactly what happened. Classic symptoms of shock, you must not have a very high POW :) I've heard tales of people essentially uninjured by a car crash walking away from their injured passengers to seek help in oncoming traffic. This probably isn't the best strategy. This is why the first lesson of any First Aid course should be prevention of Shock. I'll let the pundits proceed with further "Wild Adventures in Shock!" The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:40:16 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Re: Alternate Pasts for DG Inspiration On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: > Appelion@aol.com schrieb: > > > [blazing away at Mi-Go with two glocks held sideways]. > > Sorry, but having to watch weapons being fired in a strange manner or > wrong angle in nearly every action movie, really pisses me off. No no no. Having Will Smith and other Kewl movie stars perform improper firearm stunts encourages criminals and other neer-do-well's to emulate these accuracy destroying methods. This is something to be encouraged and promoted for the well being of all law abiding citizens. Plus, it looks really Kewl. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:45:04 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Yhtill-Hastur On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, Jay W. Dugger wrote: > The idea of city's animus spirit exists in White Wolf Studio's > World of Darkness products, esp. Werewolf: The Apocalypse. The animist > worldview of werewolves produces the spirit of a city. For example, > Chicago's spirit is (predictably) broad-shouldered. I'm pretty sure that I read this in Over the Edge in the Crossovers section, and the Game in Question was NOT Storyteller. It may be that Storyteller ripped the original game or visa-versa, but that's not the complete list (it never is). The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:46:22 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Re: City Animus Spirits, or How to Make the MiB Stroke Out On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, Steven Kaye wrote: > Also NIGHTLIFE, from Stellar Games, had city elementals, in fact > every district of New York had an elemental. And come to think of it, > a Secret Government Organization (TM) which alternated between wiping > out supernatural beings and driving hard bargains with them ("Do this > one thing for us and we won't slaughter your entire community"). YEAH! that's the one I was thinking of. Gotta hit the used bookstores. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:49:54 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: It's Up!! On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, Davide Mana wrote: > [where's yours, MiB? You want me to go with that skimpy little thingie you > posted last week? C'mon, you're better than that!] Who? MiB? I don't know any MiB. Nobody here but us Chickens. > And thanks to HK popstar Gigi Leung, that provided an essential bit of > software saving the day (don't ask). Too bad. I'm Askin'. What's up with that? The Man in Black is : scratching for worms. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:01:59 -0400 From: becole@juno.com Subject: DG: Re: "Hand" Grenade Ah, the MiB, its the Shoggoth in you that brings out my Elder Thing.......... On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:36:07 -0400 (EDT) The Man in Black writes: >The 5.56 tumbles through the air with the greatest of ease theory is >pure bullshit. >Now, once *any* bullet enters flesh, then all sorts of interesting >possibilities arise, but stories of the "it hit him in the foot and >left via the top of his skull" variety are meant to expose the gullible. OH..MAN, and you run the site for the Gun Fondlers(tm)??? Why would any projectile manufactured after, say, 1870, "tumble in mid-air"? Is this even possible with those cute little grooves in the barrels of 99.9% of modern firearms? The "tumble" I was informed of was "In through the pelvic bone connected to the spinal chord tumble,tumble,backflip,tumble, exit out the scapula ". A bullet "tumbles" inside the body, creating a wider wound channel, increased Hydrostatic shock, extra fun for the medic responding and extra combat pay from that Shamrock Shield with CowPie Cluster that Colonel GetSome pins on your pillow. Bullets bounce of off bones, implants, and hard plates just as often as they go clean through, the problem is, once you get into the liquid environment of the body, with deflection, individual bone-density (tm) etcetera, a bullet could easily lose its original "path" and wind up somewhere else. But.....bullets displacing through a limb, or perhaps the torso I can see, but from toe to ear? Hell no. >Classic symptoms of shock, you must not have a very high POW :) I've In retrospect, I probably should not have looked at it after I cut it, I remember seeing something "white" mixed in with that squishy pink tissure (amazing how colorful the body is). Doctor Bliss, while sewing my finger / tendon / sanity back together, informed me that the late-night virgin sacrifices in the dark woods to everyone's favorite Mutha would have to hold off for a while......... -B ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:18:01 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: DG: Exotic Fruit On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, Davide "Boysenberry" Mana wrote: > >I should also note that the beloved pineapple (the word you were looking > >for Davide) grenade was a extremely poor weapon. > > Pineapple! > In Italian "ananas". > > Which suggests a neat little piece of tradecraft - what can really screw > your passing yourself for a foreign national is not pronunciation, it's > exotic fruit. Monitoring the vital PACific OverSector (PACOS) here in Hawaii, I can provide detailed information on Pineapples (or Ananas comosus Bromeliaceae) and the legend of this herbaceous perennial. Many inane folk will tell you that pineapples grow on the ground like disgusting cabbages, allowing the stupid joke of burying a corpse so that only the head protrudes from the ground. This is not true. As any Botanist will tell you, the Majestic Pineapple grows on trees, like all other apples. This is so obvious that it hardly bears mentioning. The foremost danger of pineapple agriculture are the dreaded Giant Mealybugs, which crush all who dare to oppose their progress. These fearsome creatures are best dealt with by the radioactive plasma breath of a Toho Godzillasaurus. If licensing proves to be an issue, then a few cans of Raid or Black Flag will do in a pinch. Also be careful you don't poke your finger and get an owwie, or walk under a pineapple tree and get bonked on the head by a ripe falling fruit. People who say that Pineapples are supposed to grow on the ground and that Pineapple Trees are the product of evil Lethargico (http://nitrogen.nmr.hawaii.edu/Sleepless/Almanac21.html) genetic engineering are miguided and just plain wrong. There is no evil program to poke people's fingers, promote owwie's and bonk people on the head. Rarely, a Pineapple will mutate into a giant monsterous creature or angry avenging superhero (http://www.sologfx.com/solo1/). Do not be afraid as this is perfectly normal. The Man in Black is : not an employee of the Dole corporation. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:20:59 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: Hand grenades (was DG: Short range shooting with a scope) On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 becole@juno.com wrote: > aiming, and the fact that a battlefield fatality typically results due to > LACK OF TREATMENT! A field that I think everyone agrees is necessary. No big surprise, supposedly most bullet injuries (civilian) are due to blood loss. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:43:32 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Warning!!!Waste of bandwidth!!! (was Bring on the Pain) On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 becole@juno.com wrote: > I can find nothing funny with this story. Then take the alt.tasteless vow with me, young Skywalker. "I will always find the misfortune of others to be greatly amusing. Be it pain, humiliation, disfigurement, death, ruin, or tragedy, all these things and more shall be fodder for my amusement. So swear I." > (no, really, I have a gauge...thank you Shantak Claus). What that means > is I either have to beat and shoot at my players (hard to get another > gaming group that way) or use this poor medium of the spoken word to > portray an image that not only captures the attention, but plays down to > the primal level we all subconsciously operate at: You know, Hol has a pain scale which describes how much hurting an injury causes with highlights like "stapling your finger" and "bending your elbows the wrong way." The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:37:28 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Exotic Fruit The Man in Black schrieb: [ snip ] > Monitoring the vital PACific OverSector (PACOS) here in Hawaii, I can > provide detailed information on Pineapples (or Ananas comosus > Bromeliaceae) and the legend of this herbaceous perennial. > > Many inane folk will tell you that pineapples grow on the ground like > disgusting cabbages, allowing the stupid joke of burying a corpse so that > only the head protrudes from the ground. > > This is not true. As any Botanist will tell you, the Majestic Pineapple > grows on trees, like all other apples. This is so obvious that it hardly > bears mentioning. [ additional pineapple lore snipped ] Aaarrrgggghhh!!!! Please stop mentioning pineapples!!! Last weekend I found out [ with the help of my friendly doctor ] that I am extremely allergic against fresh pineapples. Unfortunately this was detected AFTER I ate 2 pineapples on my own. I do not recommend anybody to follow my example. ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:08:09 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: RE: DG: Skill levels in CoC / DG On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, McGloin, Michael wrote: > I don't know but shooting out street lights at a couple hundred > yards, in the dark, while drunk. Wow! Those sure sound like one the 100 best > shooters in the world to me. A few of these police officers I would like to consider my friends, please don't go calling them the best shooters in the world... It turns me into a liar, more of liar than I usually am, I mean. > It seems to me that your example of the MP is a perfect case of the > need for modifiers. Moving target, behind cover and through glass. Using > your method the skill roll would be the same if he were walking through the > same gate. Actually, I believe skill is doubled at point blank range. That, and the tactical situation would be entirely different: Fuckhead the MP is posted at the Gate when he notices Shithead the Terrorist strolling up with an AK (straight outta LA! betta make way!). Mr. MP shoots at a smaller, more mobile target than the van, (no dodge rolls in a van) who should approach from farther away. The terrorist probably has no cover (military gates being what they are) which would halve his dodge. I don't have a problem with a 43% Rifle for Mr. MP, especially since Shithead is supposedly firing back. Let's say Shithead has slightly more INT than that and he walks up with a 9mil. He'll walk on by the left and Shithead#2 will walk on by on the right. Mr. MP will be looking back and forth telling these guys to fuck off in a proper military manner, eventually the guy Mr. MP ain't lookin' at would draw his pistol, and Mr. MP would have to roll Spot Hidden, Psychology, Pschoanalysis or something (possibly at 1/2) to figure it out from the look on OS's (Original Shithead's) face. 40 something percent for your average MP works well in this situation as well. Shooting Shithead#1 would be about 85% as he's just across the street. Meanwhile, Shithead#2 is busy busting a cap into Mr. MP. probably at around 60% (30% x2). Naturally, the two Shitheads shouldn't be directly across from each other for this ambush. But then again, the Terrorists with the INT are busy crawling through the hole in the fence they made a few nights before... > If the van was not moving perhaps it would be at half, In this case, the profile matters more than speed. The target does not change position significantly over time. The fact that a large cargo vehicle is about to run you over is just part of combat, deal with it. In order to rationalize a speed penalty of some sort, the van would have to be moving at a significant angle to our MP (I can't remember the fucker's name either :) Don't forget the bonus for extra SIZ either. > I don't think the ideas that I put fourth rival Rolemester, but > sometimes rhetoric is more fun. Nothing rivals Rolemaster, but it is my standard metaphor for the rules-heavy system. This much is true. It it also true that the presentation of arguments (Rhetoric) is just as important as the logic behind them (as far as persuasion is concerned). Is this fun? Certainly, but to attack my arguments with the theory that presentation is unimportant insults every debate team in academia. The Man in Black is : the Original Shithead! Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:19:51 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: RE: DG: Skill levels in CoC / DG On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, McGloin, Michael wrote: > Perhaps savaging is not necessary. Since Jeff "Papaya" Ewing has called me out, it is absolutely necessary. GRRR~! ARRGH~! (waves obsidian spear) (Obsidian Spear now available on ebay for reasonable bids) I find pointless and futile discourse on civility to have no connection to Delta Green. Perhaps you should reserve forcing civility to yourself instead of on others. Just a thought. > On the other hand in the stress of combat even the easiest of shots are > missed. Finally I have spent a fair amount of time at the range The range is a birthplace for false pride. Even combat vets will tell you it's more luck than skill, unless they're telling you about that time they recovered Saddam Hussein's hidden gold stash. But you know this, why am I telling you this? You were there with me when we stole that gold. > doubt very much your assistant could make that shot much I would be very > impressed. You've never met Miss Hathaway have you? The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:27:26 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: FW: seattle On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, CO Christopher wrote: > sacrifice-free social events. > > Thierry fausten [mailto:tfausten@freesurf.fr] > > Joyful places (without sacrifices, please) ? Man, nobody knows how to party anymore. I say sacrifice 'em all, starting with the rats and cats and bats, working your way up through dogs and deer and zoo animals, ending up with people you don't like, people you're sorta ambivalent towards, and finally, people you like. The Man in Black is : preparing the PAGAN snake pit. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:42:50 -0400 From: "McGloin, Michael" Subject: RE: DG: Re: car chase Let us not forget perhaps two of the greatest chase scenes are those from French Connection and the 7ups. I just saw 7Ups the other night on a AMC and it was great. It also has some interesting ideas that could be used a the source of a good scenario twist where one of the agents informers is actually a member of the Fate. Michael McGloin > -----Original Message----- > From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de [SMTP:EHuelshoff@t-online.de] > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 11:09 PM > To: deltagreen@nocturne.org > Subject: Re: DG: Re: car chase > > g m schrieb: > > One of the best car chases ever - apart from Bullitt - has to be in > Ronin. I > > freely admit to ripping off that whole convoy sequence to great effect > in a > > DG scenario. Karotechia kidnapping a Gothic languages specialist. > [snip] > > For another good car chase, the one at the beginning of "The Hidden" is > a > > memorable one, good for when agenst are chasing someone/thing that > doesn't > > care about pain... > > Not to forget the one in ye good old trashy "Cobra" with Stallone. > > ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:48:07 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: DG: 7.62 NATO, a big bullet for a big job. On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: > Hmm, From what I learned I do not really agree on that one, at least > concerning the 7.62mm NATO full metal jacket when fired by the German > G3. It was in fact designed to go through human body without tumbling, > avoiding the terrible exit wounds caused by tumbling bullets. It's been > part of a philosophy of "humane" warfare. But that's only the > Information I got during my army time. I think the "humane" part was fooling recruits into thinking that dead enemies were killed by nice clean "Hollywood Holes." Let's face it, even if 7.62 was faster than a speeding bu...um, I really need to get a better metaphor here... But anyway, we fleshy creatures got lots o' 'dem bones. We must also consider the beautiful physics behind cavitation. A spinning object passing through liquids/gases/the human body forms a temporary funnel shape (tornado looking) behind it. Sometimes this funnel can get pretty big, don't worry though, the Human body stretches pretty far. It's the same way when you stick a power drill into someone's guts and get the connective tissues and intestines spinning around and twisted by the momentum of the drill bit. Almost as much fun as Byakhee Balloon Blowing. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:26:12 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Auto's in Campaigns On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Dr Cthulhu wrote: > How do people use Automobiles in their campaigns? I am one who doesn't > wait for people to attack / shoot at the cars and I have my own system > on how to determine cretin things, I am just wondering if any one else > has some rules about Automobiles. Since GURPS is my flavor of choice, and I am unwilling to commit to GURPS Vehicles, I just wing it with Kewl car chases and the occasional Drive roll. Car chases might not be the best thing for DG as it tends to get 911 near the end with all sort of innocent emergency responders running around responding. Then the license plates get run through the system and it just keeps sucking and sucking and it never stops. This is a good object lesson for Agents. A kind Keeper (a long rumored creature in cryptozoology) will have this happen to some expendable NPC's. If the opportunity presents itself, then I love to have a rollicking good chase full of sound and thunder. entertain the poor fools, have fun. Then, the consequences begin... A few better options: The surveilance duel. Just as tense, but subtle and saturated with paranoia. Are they really gone? Is another team onto us? Lots of Spot Hidden and Drive, with some Luck and Idea for backup. The car bomb. It's not a good idea to blow up Agents offhand (Why not just slap them upside their heads if you want someone to abuse?) This works well as part of an Escalation of Terror. First pipe-bombs, then mailbombs, carbombs, really big car bombs, and the building wrecking U-HAUL BOMB O' DOOM~! Good for explosive forensics, and spot hidden. "Stolen! STOLEN~! What do mean Stolen!?" Especially satisfying if goodies are in the vehicle. Maybe a Spot Hidden to thwart the thief and start a combat. Humorous when it turns out to be unrelated to The Matter At Hand, and the Agents have to spent valuable time recovering their minivan from a chop shop. Car as a personal expression of style. Rednecks drive pickups, Day-Trading Yuppie Scum drive SUV's, Evil Europeans (TM) drive Mercedes, Europeans drive BMW's. The Main Villain (TM) has a fancy limo. These are good for blowing up and crashing. It could be deeper, and you could delve into "vehicle as metaphor" but that sort of allegory is just creepy in a RPG. Car as McGuffin. Something could be hidden away in the sideboards, in the seat lining etc. Could be anything; Diamonds, Drugs, Mythos artifacts, the unknown and blasphemous chapters of GURPS Migrant Worker. As long as DeBeers, the Cali Cartel, the Royal Martian Flying Bagpipe Society, or Steve Jackson Games' elite team of customer service representatives will stop at nothing to get it. Ultimate Car McGuffin: REPO MAN. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:38:50 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: DG: Out of Control GM's On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, David Farnell wrote: > It also results in occasional idiotic "Ford vs. Chevy" debates, > reminiscent of high school. All those participating in such should be fined $1.00 (or equiv in Yen) to contribute to a fund used to purchase snacks & drinks. Continuing a debate after being fined should result in a $2.00 fine with subsequent infractions doubling the fine in a geometric progression. That ought to lay the smack down on 'em. Or let 'em yap. I fine people experience points for disruption of the game. I'm funny that way. The Man in Black is : funny that way. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:46:51 -0400 From: "McGloin, Michael" Subject: RE: DG: Skill levels in CoC / DG My point about the range is was that for those who have never fired a weapon the first time can be pretty scary. A case in point a freind and I were shooting after work one day and the young lady next to us who was being taught to fire a small handgun by her signifigant other actually dropped her weapon when my friend fired his 44. Desert Eagle. I mean not slight to any females out there, it just happened to have been a woman in this case.Thus I definetly agree that the low base chances for weapon skills in CoC are appropriate. In fact in some cases I would be loathed to grant bonuses for point blank range to first time shooters. Finnally I made no boasts as to my ability with weapons. I merely stated that I had spent a fair amount of time there and assumed that it was understood that I was there to practice my shooting. Michael McGloin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:50:30 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Warning!!!Waste of bandwidth!!! (was Bring on the Pain) On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > Oddly enough, I do. Now. At the time, when I was coherent I mean, I was a > bit torqued at all the laughter at my expense. But, I had to admit, a short > sharp shock to the yarbles is a staple of comedy since time immemorial. I'm > pitching a new reality based series, "America's Funniest Nutsack Whompings". > You can't go wrong with the classics. I find "Nutsack Whompings" to be a bit cumbersome, how about Nutshots? You also need a sliding scale/1d10 table: 1 - a light graze, minor swelling 2 - clenched fist squeezing, quite unpleasant 3 - Closed fist impact. Lungs collapse, difficulty breathing 4 - Karate Kick. Involuntary reflexive surrender in a melee. 5 - Baseball Bat, perhaps a long fly ball or two. 6 - Vicious Animal, bleeding and rabies shots. 7 - The Flames of Shaitan, yours is the screaming of the damned. 8 - The Sword of Allah, the voice and horn of Gabriel is heard. 9 - The Ancient Arabs would call you a Eunich 10 - You may wish to change your form of address to Ms. instead of Mr. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:53:18 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Antares Underwater Telescope In a message dated 99-09-17 06:05:13 EDT, you write: << On a more fantastic note, the sadly underrated Nephilim game has the Med before the flood as a second Eden that was sabotaged by jealous and conspiratorial mankind. >> Also, in Orson Scott Card's "Timewatch", the civilization that lived in the Med Valley is featured as the people who a) invented slavery as a improvement over the human sacrifice economy, and b) the survivors of the flood were the source of the Flood/Babel/hubris memes. Mark McFadden ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:04:43 -0500 From: "Shane Ivey" Subject: RE: DG: Auto's in Campaigns Interested parties need to read THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT immediately. SHANE IVEY, Editor and Webmaster, Zealot.com This week at Zealot.com: the full cast of The Fellowship of the Ring Also "Geek Lovin" (our latest MP3), and the latest movie reviews! Hecklers Online, Inc: www.hecklers.com - www.ant.com - www.zealot.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-deltagreen@nocturne.org [mailto:owner-deltagreen@nocturne.org]On Behalf Of The Man in Black Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 12:26 PM To: Delta Green List Subject: Re: DG: Auto's in Campaigns The surveilance duel. Just as tense, but subtle and saturated with paranoia. Are they really gone? Is another team onto us? Lots of Spot Hidden and Drive, with some Luck and Idea for backup. ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V2 #70 *******************************