From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V2 #78 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Thursday, September 23 1999 Volume 02 : Number 078 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:49:38 -0700 From: Ted Arlauskas Subject: Re: Re: DG: John Ford, the OSS, WWII and DG ... or do you mean "The Nazis and the Occult" by D. Sklar? I read it a few years back when I heard it helped inspire "Raiders of the Lost Ark." It's ISBN 0-88029-412-4 and a particularly tedious read ... - -Ted >On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Crossingham, Adam wrote: > >> Gil Trevizo writes: > >> <<< I'm still reading through a book called _Unholy Trinity: A History of >> Nazi >> Involvement with the Occult_ as part of never-ending research for that >> DG:WW2 site I'll probably never finish >>> > >> Have you got an author or an ISBN for that title Gil? Amazon doesn't want to >> spill any beans on the book as you've posted the details here. > >I think he means UNHOLY ALLIANCE, by Peter Levenda. ted@naxera.com | Visit the LA Palm User Group Home Page http://www.naxera.com/ted | http://www.naxera.com/lapug ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:03:44 +0100 From: "JT" Subject: Re: DG: Earthquakes and the Mythos - -----Original Message----- From: yanasikt@superonline.com To: deltagreen@nocturne.org Date: 22 September 1999 09:02 Subject: Re: DG: Earthquakes and the Mythos >>In Whitley Streiber's novel, "Black Magic" he has the Soviets using 10Hz >>VLF transmissions to cause mt. St Helens to erupt. Karotechia might have >>saved the research. >>Phil > > >In case of causing earthquakes and eruptions, should'n they use high frequency >transmissions ? > >Tolga Yanasik It's Aum, with a scalar wave weapon. Ripped off from MJ-12's work combining the Cookbook with Tesla's theories. BTW Tesla, think he was a guest of the Great Race? Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:22:55 -0700 From: Joseph Camp Subject: Re: DG: A Road Trip >I am actually going to Seattle this weekend for the CU/UW game. I am >interested in purchasing all the DG stuff I can get my hands on. Can I >buy it at Pagan itself? Yes indeed, subject to someone being around the house to let you in. Call them on the day you'd like to visit and see what happens: 206.528.7665. be seeing you, Alphonse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:29:47 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Anybody out there? In other words, no Nazis. Agent Xavier. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:29:56 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: Orff [Re: DG: Singing in the Pain] In a message dated 20/9/99 10:13:40, jimmiebjr@olg.com writes: >That is, I think, where the music's being written > >for "our team", whether that team means Americans or DG itself. I think he meant orderr, rather than chaos. Of course, that's also DG's team. Agent Xavier ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:29:44 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Nickel Shot In a message dated 19/9/99 10:30:02, LizardRoi@aol.com writes: >Favors the 8 GA. "Peerless Pestle" Teflon-coated brass bolo armor-piercing > >incendiary sabot flechettes by Not Glasers(tm) I prefer NG's discarding-sabot, triple-cored osmium penetrator w/ 15 small poisoned, acid-coated flechettes packen arond them. I think the trade name is "Migraine." Agent Xavier ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:29:41 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Nickel Shot In a message dated 20/9/99 11:30:24, jonno@enterprise.net writes: >Like the razor guns in Day of the Triffids? Spring loaded, weren't they? The idea there was to sever a stem. So I think they would be rather different. But maybe not. Agent Xavier ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:12:33 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: DG:Saucerwatch Bitchin! But do remember that DG's second-highest priority is concealment. I Saucerwatch seems a security risk (to DG or the Mythos, which DG will fight to keep the average citizen from knowing about) it will not be handled gently. So watch out. Agent Xavier ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:01:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jay W. Dugger" Subject: Re: DG: Earthquakes and the Mythos On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, JT wrote: [snip] > > It's Aum, with a scalar wave weapon. Ripped off from MJ-12's work combining > the Cookbook with Tesla's theories. BTW Tesla, think he was a guest of the > Great Race? > How interesting, I doubt Tesla hosted a Yithian. His life has been fairly well documented and shows none of the signs listed in HPL's "Shadow Out Of Time." I don't think Tesla had any Mythos connections, but DG:EO vol. 3 will probably indicate otherwise. Assuming Tesla didn't have genius in his own right, maybe he had a talent for retrocognition that allowed him to pull information from minds in the past. The source for his genius might then be the Great Race, Elder Things, or some Graham-Hancock-style lost human civilzation. Maybe Tesla possessed precognition and pulled information from a later culture, either human or not. Perhaps Tesla was involved with a cult of Yithian worship, and managed to reverse-engineer or was taught their science. As an aside, I think HPLs "Shadow Out Of Time" gives evidence that humanity survives past the next few decades. The End Times so commonly given in DG aren't going to happen, IMHO. Things may get quite bad, but humanity survives and rebuilds a civilization. Now you might need to define humanity loosely. Perhaps the Jennikins from "At Your Door" are our future, or maybe only Mythos worshippers live on. Maybe some successor species in the genus homo takes over Earth, but monkey-kids of some type continue for quite some time. (I direct interested parties to Olaf Stapledon's "Last and First Men" for examples of variant human species.) - --------- Jay Dugger : Til Eulenspiegel til_e@hotmail.com : duggerj@reed.edu - --------- Sometimes the delete key is your best friend. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:15:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jay W. Dugger" Subject: DG: Technical Remote Viewing Wednesday, 22 September 1999 Hello all, Has anyone used remote viewing in their games? How about psychotronics or ex-Soviet paranormal research? I'd like to hear about if you did. - --------- Jay Dugger : Til Eulenspiegel til_e@hotmail.com : duggerj@reed.edu - --------- Sometimes the delete key is your best friend. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:44:07 -0700 From: Joseph Camp Subject: DG: Countdown contributor alert Pagan editor John Tynes asked me to forward the following: - --- Hi folks, I'm trying to take care of errant contributor's copies of COUNTDOWN. Most appear to have been shipped in late August as planned. Six more are going out this week: Rik Kershaw-Moore Don Fougere Jason Hersey Mikko Kauppinen Anders Larsson Bruno Di Pentima If you were published in COUNTDOWN and you have not received your copy, and your name is not listed above, please contact me immediately: john@tynes.com and we'll make it right as quick as possible. Thanks! - --- Evidently he's on the wagon this week. be seeing you, Alphonse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:35:11 -0500 From: "Shane Ivey" Subject: DG: RE: Technical Remote Viewing I did a fairly big chunk of research on remote viewing programs not long ago--the article is half-written, since I put it on hold while waiting to see if it was touched on in COUNTDOWN. Basically I wrote up a Majestic program along those lines which was around the bottom of the barrel, for all the reasons RV has been dissed in real life: high kewl factor, comparatively results. The interesting part of it, of course, is the Mythos connections made by the researchers--and what developed from them while the bulk of the Majestic group concerned itself with "more important" things. (See the Majestic article in DELTA GREEN--in the official version, MJ12 is largely unconcerned with the paranormal). It's still in development, though. Shane Ivey, Editor and Webmaster, Zealot.com Hecklers Online, Inc: www.hecklers.com - www.ant.com - www.zealot.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-deltagreen@nocturne.org [mailto:owner-deltagreen@nocturne.org]On Behalf Of Jay W. Dugger Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 7:16 PM To: Delta Green Mailing List Subject: DG: Technical Remote Viewing Wednesday, 22 September 1999 Hello all, Has anyone used remote viewing in their games? How about psychotronics or ex-Soviet paranormal research? I'd like to hear about if you did. - --------- Jay Dugger : Til Eulenspiegel til_e@hotmail.com : duggerj@reed.edu - --------- Sometimes the delete key is your best friend. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:39:49 +1200 From: Williamson Mark Subject: DG: RE: Countdown contributor alert Thanks - -Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph Camp [SMTP:alphonse@delta-green.com] > Sent: Thursday, 23 September 1999 12:44 pm > To: DG > Subject: DG: Countdown contributor alert > > Pagan editor John Tynes asked me to forward the following: > > --- > > Hi folks, > > I'm trying to take care of errant contributor's copies of COUNTDOWN. Most > appear to have been shipped in late August as planned. Six more are going > out this week: > > Rik Kershaw-Moore > Don Fougere > Jason Hersey > Mikko Kauppinen > Anders Larsson > Bruno Di Pentima > > If you were published in COUNTDOWN and you have not received your copy, > and your name is not listed above, please contact me immediately: > > john@tynes.com > > and we'll make it right as quick as possible. > > Thanks! > > --- > > Evidently he's on the wagon this week. > > be seeing you, > Alphonse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:37:27 -0300 (ART) From: kranondp@usa.net Subject: Re: DG: Has everyone recieved there copy of DG Countdown? On Wed, 27 Aug 1980, Janet Fougere wrote: Hello. > Hello all, are any of the contributors still waiting for there copy, > like myself? I am still waiting to be contacted on the subject. I sended three emails at paganpub@aol.com whining about it, but got no reply message. Bruno Di Pentima. kranondp@usa.net Santa Fe - Argentina. "No está muerto lo que puede yacer eternamente, y con extraños evos puede morir hasta la muerte." -- Howard Phillips Lovecraft. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:05:31 EDT From: USFORREC1@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Earthquakes and the Mythos The way I've been using the recent earthquakes, hurricanes, El Nino/La Nina and so on in my campaign is a subtle foreshadowing and millennium fear element. The truth behind all these events is the earth itself is moving towards the "stars come right" mode for the return of the GOO. Plate shifts and the like are part of that cycle as much as the human side of greenhouse warming, deforestation and so on, carried out by Whole Earth Enterprises and their comrades to prepare the way for the Endtimes. Add to this a few prophecies and so on and the millennium begins to play a bit on my players' minds. The millennium itself, however, is unimportant because the GOO aren't following our human time scale but this is the specter of the approaching 2030s Endtime. The millennium will pass without any undue incidents, giving the PC's the feeling that things might be okay, then things will really begin to slide out of control... - -Dave K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:50:37 -0400 From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: DG: Re: RE: Technical Remote Viewing A Delta Green game conducted via IRC I participated in dealt with several victims of Project Stargate, which was the DIA's answer to MKULTRA. Stargate was an (RL) attempt to create an army of remote viewers. I can't go more in depth than that, though, as the game was sort of abortive. BTW, I received my copy of Countdown today. Massive tome, eclipsing the main Delta Green book. I've only glanced through it, and have tons of new ideas already. Kudos to all list members who contributed. Is the moratorium on Countdown discussions still in effect? Andrew D. Gable agable@falcon.lhup.edu "'Reality' is the only word in the language that should always be used in quotes." My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, "Nervous Xians" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:47:27 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: Re: Leprosy (was:TV Warning) From: Graeme Price > So there you go. And I didn't even mention nine-banded armadilloes or white > gold rings at all.... Ah, yes, I was about to mention not to play with strange armadillos, as they can be carriers (probably escaped from labs down in Louisiana). And white gold rings...heh! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:49:30 +0200 From: Jesper Jyhne Subject: SV: SV: DG: RE: Has everyone recieved there copy of DG Countdown? Well, I am a paying customer :-) I will just have to be patience. :-( Jesper ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 03:52:58 EDT From: TUO@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: A Road Trip In a message dated 9/22/99 2:24:18 PM, alphonse@delta-green.com writes: << >I am actually going to Seattle this weekend for the CU/UW game. I am >interested in purchasing all the DG stuff I can get my hands on. Can I >buy it at Pagan itself? Yes indeed, subject to someone being around the house to let you in. Call them on the day you'd like to visit and see what happens: 206.528.7665. be seeing you, Alphonse >> And the address for Pagan Publishing is actually right down the street within walking distance of Huskey Stadium. - -Agent Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:46:56 -0000 From: "Crossingham, Adam" Subject: Re: DG: Double-tap [Ignore: resent for Digest] John Petherick writes: <<< On DG notes: * silenced .22 calibre pistols were also apparently the favoured assassination weapon of the CIA. The already (relatively) low noise level of a .22 could be reduced by using a sub-sonic load and the weapon could be suppressed to a very low noise level. The High Standard Arms Company supposedly manufactured a batch of weapons without serial numbers for use by the government. >>> High Standard manufactured a variation of their target pistol for OSS (CIA's predecessor) in WW2, and they probably carried over to the CIA. It had a specially silenced suppressor which reduced 90% of the gun's noise, and muzzle flash was eliminated. The pistol was 14" long, automatic, clip fed, held 10 rounds of a specially modified .22 LR cartridge to meet Geneva Convention requirements (although it took normal .22 LR as well), and would have been available from 1944. Some books call it the HDX. Don't know about the covert serial-less ones though.... What? You're looking at what? Gun fondling? No. I don't do that. This is research , that's what it is. For my latest game... honest guv! - -- Adam Crossingham E-mail: adam.crossingham@octavian1009.e-mail.com Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:47:14 -0000 From: "Crossingham, Adam" Subject: Re: DG: John Ford, the OSS, WWII and DG [Ignore: resent for Dige st] Gil Trevizo writes: <<< I'm still reading through a book called _Unholy Trinity: A History of Nazi Involvement with the Occult_ as part of never-ending research for that DG:WW2 site I'll probably never finish >>> Have you got an author or an ISBN for that title Gil? Amazon doesn't want to spill any beans on the book as you've posted the details here. - -- Adam Crossingham E-mail: adam.crossingham@octavian1009.e-mail.com Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:57:04 GMT0BST From: Robert Thomas Subject: DG: MARS Hello All, Looks like the Usual suspects are up to their usual tricks reguarding Satellites and the planet Mars. NASA had sent a weather satellite to Mars: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_452000/452579.stm The latest breaking news is that the satellite traversed Mars and was on the far side and then failed to acquire signal lock with Earth. This one loss has just screwed up the MPL mission I assume, as this satellite was due to act as a communications relay station for the polar lander due on Mars on 3rd December 1999. Here's the lates BBC report: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_455000/455380.stm Must be of some use to someone. Rob. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:17:54 -0000 From: "Crossingham, Adam" Subject: RE: DG: John Ford, the OSS, WWII and DG Shane Ivey writes: <<< Don't forget Julia Childs, about whom I DEMAND to see a write-up in the Big WW2 Delta Green Book! >>> Without admitting my total comprehension failure: who is Julia Childs in context of a big WW2 DG book? ObDG: This is me wandering out loud but how many people on the list would actually buy a WW2 based DG book or chap book? And how many would actually use it to run or play in 1940s period games? - -- Adam Crossingham E-mail: adam.crossingham@octavian1009.e-mail.com Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 05:19:19 -0700 (PDT) From: The Baron Sliderule Subject: Re: DG: Technical Remote Viewing - --- "Jay W. Dugger" wrote: > Wednesday, 22 September 1999 > > Hello all, > > Has anyone used remote viewing in their games? How > about > psychotronics or ex-Soviet paranormal research? I'd > like to hear about if > you did. I've used a bit of it with another game system...Conspiracy X's "Shadows of the Mind" supplement has a reasonably accurate portrayal of the real state of the guv'mint's investigation into said RVing before they add the Greys and Atlanteans. For rules, DG's psychic rules could be used, but it misses some of the "intelligence analysis" side of CRV which is the heart of it. It's not clairvoyance, according to the some researchers in the field, but something that anybody could do if trained right. Jimmie Bise and I(interesting fact) game with the son of one of the original Remote Viewing members of the government's team, and rented a room from the man himself. I heard a lot of interesting stuff from my many conversations with him about it (I was skeptical), so if you have any questions, feel free to shoot them my way and I'll ask him about them. He seemed to be the most rational of the lot...a lot of those guys, when meeting them in person, seem a little flakey. As for Russian research, there are some good books on it...I remember a book called "Psychic Curtain" or something? It might have been bogus. But "Shadows of the Mind" is pretty good fodder for that, as well. --Eric __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:56:08 -0400 From: "Davis, Gregory (Greenville)" Subject: DG: Endtimes Site Hi, Longtime lurker and DG fan here. Decloaking long enough to ask a question. What's the address of the Endtimes site. I wondered there once and can't get back. I'm setting up a Champions campaign based on DG: Endtimes and Paul Wilsons Nightworld. Data from Endtimes site is sorely needed. Any assistance will be appreciated. Gregory "God was my co-pilot, but we hit a mountain while flying over Peru and I had to eat him to survive." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:55:35 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: John Ford, the OSS, WWII and DG Crossingham, Adam schrieb: [snip] > ObDG: This is me wandering out loud but how many people on the list would > actually buy a WW2 based DG book or chap book? And how many would actually > use it to run or play in 1940s period games? > I think I would be pretty interested since I've already written and played a couple of 40s-scenarios. I consider the 40s a very good era for CoC or DG. They are history enough to be "something else" or a change for the players, but they are a pretty modern era as well, so they can be easily played. I always thought it to be easier to write 40s scenarios than 1920s. One reason for this is of course the fact that I simply know more about the 40s than the 20s. And of course the war can spice things up a bit. ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:16:13 -0500 From: "Shane Ivey" Subject: DG: RE: Endtimes Site This is the URL for William Timmins' EndTimes site, set in the 2040s. He put a lot of good work into it, and it might have some useful ideas for you. http://soong.club.cc.cmu.edu/~pooh/campaign/etintro.html (Personally, I'm also a little skeptical of the notion that humanity is going to vanish in the 21st century; HPL himself contradicts this in some "canon" stories (at least in "The Shadow out of Time"). But it's a useful perception or assumption to place in the games, to get the cultists or players thinking that all's going to end in a matter of decades.) Shane Ivey, Editor and Webmaster, Zealot.com Hecklers Online, Inc: www.hecklers.com - www.ant.com - www.zealot.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-deltagreen@nocturne.org [mailto:owner-deltagreen@nocturne.org]On Behalf Of Davis, Gregory (Greenville) Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 8:56 AM To: Deltagreen (E-mail) Subject: DG: Endtimes Site Hi, Longtime lurker and DG fan here. Decloaking long enough to ask a question. What's the address of the Endtimes site. I wondered there once and can't get back. I'm setting up a Champions campaign based on DG: Endtimes and Paul Wilsons Nightworld. Data from Endtimes site is sorely needed. Any assistance will be appreciated. Gregory "God was my co-pilot, but we hit a mountain while flying over Peru and I had to eat him to survive." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:37:47 -0500 From: "Shane Ivey" Subject: DG: M-A-J, E-S-T, I-C-S-I-X Hagbard mentioned the Imagineers a week or two ago. I double-dare you not to find a juicy scenario in it. You can even leave the Waltsicle urban legend as a red herring. "IN a string of warehouses and unmarked offices in the sedate town of Glendale just north of Los Angeles, the boffins of Disney are busy creating the future. Going by the name Disney Imagineers, they are an eclectic band of some 2,000 mechanics, designers, artists, architects, technicians, craftsmen and sculptors whose job is to come up with the zany ideas that will keep Disney at the forefront of recreational technology for decades to come. "The sprawling complex, which is also known as the Idea Lab and the Dream Factory, is one of the most closely guarded sites in the entertainment world. With Disney under intense competition from other theme parks, the company is paranoid that its cutting-edge ideas might be leaked to its rivals. Only a handful of journalists have ever toured the facilities and all members of staff are on the strictest orders not to divulge details of their work. "While the team is headed commercially by Disney executives, its intellectual captains are the so-called "Disney Fellows" - four of the world's most celebrated computer luminaries, whose job entails their thinking and working with almost limitless budgets on the big technological issues that will define people's lives in the next century." Electronic Telegraph, "The Mickey Mouse Future," Sept. 23, 1999 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ Shane Ivey, Editor and Webmaster, Zealot.com Hecklers Online, Inc: www.hecklers.com - www.ant.com - www.zealot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:04:03 -0400 From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: DG: The Knife of Aqedah This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF05BB.BA5948E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's a link detailing the Knife of Aqedah, supposedly the dagger used = by Abraham in the abortive sacrifice of Isaac. 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- ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF05BB.BA5948E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:12:02 MST From: "D.L. Serius" Subject: RE: DG: John Ford, the OSS, WWII and DG >Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:17:54 -0000 >Adam Crossingham wrote: >Without admitting my total comprehension failure: who is Julia Childs in >context of a big WW2 DG book? Julia Childs served in the French Resistance during the war. I haven't been able to find an accurate account of her service, but one of my friends claims she was a sniper. He says he saw it on a documentary, but couldn't ID which one, so that might be wrong. >ObDG: This is me wandering out loud but how many people on the list would >actually buy a WW2 based DG book or chap book? And how many would actually >use it to run or play in 1940s period games? I would LOVE a book with WW2 info to use as settings. I see actual games set in the war as more one shot DG cowboy missions(which would be cool) and the period right after the war as awesome material for a campaign. You've got soldiers returning home trying to deal with the horrors of war, the cold war starting, the newly found horror of 'The Bomb', the Korean Conflict, cultists hiding behind the postwar prosperity of the 40-50's. Ooh, yeah. Plus, I'd get to ease into an adaption of Ellroy's dark LA with the players. Love it, hell, I'd cut off a finger to get it! (Not one of mine, of course.) Big D. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 99 17:44:42 +0100 From: Peter Devlin Subject: DG: Dead Sea / Flood Myths (was Mediterranean Stuff) I've just made it back in to the office after nearly two weeks of hell. You guys were really busy on the irrelevant BS front, hmm.. Anyway, I was taken by the Floods discussion. Synchronicity again: Channel 4 here in the UK showed 'Naked Planet: The Dead Sea' on Monday 2Oth September. Blurb on www.channel4.com. It was an intriguing pseudo-scientific introduction to the geology and archaeology of the Dead Sea area. It was full of Mythos potential. The numerous cave complexes in this area are ripe for CoC exploitation. It wouldn't be too big a leap of imagination to say that Mythos tomes (c.f. Dead Sea Scrolls from Qumran) might be uncovered at any time. Isolated monasteries abound. Hermits caves are everywhere. It made me remember the origins of the bad guy from the novel 'Demogorgon' and the Mythos possibilities therein. Davide can probably speak more meaningfully on the geology of the area than I can. However, I found the discussion of the formation of the Dead Sea to be very intriguing, Great Rift Valley tectonic plates rubbing and all that frottage stuff. Also the frequency of seismic activity and sinkholes (created by salt leaching as the water table drops) is indicative of Cthonian activity on a large scale. The suggested drop of sea level by 300 feet in the next 100 years is blamed on the damming of the Jordan and the need for water in agriculture around the area. Yeah, right, I wonder what's really at the bottom and who is draining it? The ancient mega-successful but now abandoned cliffside trading town of Petra is great CoC fodder. Think of the hidden city of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Awesome. The 30 000 inhabitants (Nabonites? Nabonitians?) seem to have vanished almost overnight despite their successs in surviving on 6 inches annual rainfall for many years. Earthquakes were blamed but we can probably guess the true reason. The Dead Sea apparently sits at a depth below seal level that filters harmful UV and leaves only beneficial UV. It's not the mud and salts that all those people need as a cure for skin conditions (e.g. psoriasis), it's simply some time in the sun at 1400 feet below sea level (or whatever it is). It made me wonder if that kind of UV / pressure combo would be good for Deep One hybrids suffering through their change. Those holidaying DG agents could just end up at the wrong health spa! The big revelation (all such programs seem to have one in store) was the possible discovery of the actual site of Sodom and Gomorrah. An archaeologist has found a ruined city in an area near the Dead Sea which has many sulphur balls lying around the ground. Importantly, the remaining stones from the city walls show evidence of burning round about the projected timeframe of the biblical event but not before or after that timeframe. The theory advanced was that large pockets of natural gas were released by earthquakes and ignited above the town, giving rise to the legends of fire and brimstone from the heavens. Can you say Cthughua? Lastly, I saw a TV piece (Equinox?) about 9 months ago on the Biblical Flood which contrasted a cold-war Soviet investigation in the Black Sea with a US investigation going on similar lines. Apparently both groups independently uncovered geological and fossil evidence (IIRC core samples and rocks / fossils grabbed by ROV?) which indicates that the Flood was a real event. The point of debate was whether the Flood was a cataclysmic event or a gradual trickle. (BTW Mr Ice Cave, the updates are fabulous. That's an awful lot of work you put in, much praise is due. And yes, the Leng discussion is exactly what I was on about during my rants. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees Mythos overtures in the legends of Shambhala, Xanadu, nagas, llamias and other aspects of the mythology of the Himalayas. A tip for those pursuing this thread - check up on Vajrayana Bhuddism for excellent Mythos connections. Yes, that is the same mumbo-jumbo used in the GenoCyber manga series.) Enough for now. Cheers :-) --> :-0 Peter Devlin Bell, Book and Candle - http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/columns.html The South Side - http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/lovecraft/411/south/ Email - pdevlin@scotsys.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:49:24 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: Re: DG: Earthquakes and the Mythos Hell, I don't know. It was part of the original premise of thwe story which had to do with using a VLF carrier to amplify the latent talent of a 16 year-old Iranian sorcerer. Mr. Streiber usually did his research though. Phil On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:26:08 +200 yanasikt@superonline.com writes: >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >---=_hobbit37e88490 >Content-Type: text/plain >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >>In Whitley Streiber's novel, "Black Magic" he has the Soviets using >10Hz >>VLF transmissions to cause mt. St Helens to erupt. Karotechia might >have >>saved the research. >>Phil > > >In case of causing earthquakes and eruptions, should'n they use high >frequency >transmissions ? > >Tolga Yanasik ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:22:45 +0100 From: "JT" Subject: Re: DG: Earthquakes and the Mythos > > How interesting, I doubt Tesla hosted a Yithian. His life has been >fairly well documented and shows none of the signs listed in HPL's "Shadow >Out Of Time." I don't think Tesla had any Mythos connections, but DG:EO >vol. 3 will probably indicate otherwise. > Strangely enough, the day after making that post I got a book on Tesla, The Man Who Created the 20th Century. While Tesla may not have been a guest to the Yithians, he was a bizarre enough character, hosting dinner parties wreathed in electricity.... There's nothing really new in it, but it does mention that there are three patents based on Tesla's research connected with HAARP - including one of them based on his ``death ray'' concept which could be used to fry the electronics of incoming missiles. I also noticed on the DERA website that they carried out tests in Cornwall during the eclipse on the ionosphere, in a similar fashion the HAARP facility. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:26:30 +0100 From: "JT" Subject: Re: DG: Technical Remote Viewing - -----Original Message----- From: The Baron Sliderule To: Delta Green List Date: 23 September 1999 14:30 Subject: Re: DG: Technical Remote Viewing > > As for Russian research, there are some good books >on it...I remember a book called "Psychic Curtain" or >something? It might have been bogus. But "Shadows of >the Mind" is pretty good fodder for that, as well. > --Eric > That may be Psychic Discoveries, The Iron Curtain Lifted by Sheila Ostrander and Lynn Schroeder, which deals with remote viewing and Soviet paranormal research. ISBN 0-285-63418-6. I got a review copy, but haven't read it yet.... ;-) Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:29:59 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: John Ford, the OSS, WWII and DG In a message dated 99-09-23 12:14:16 EDT, you write: << Julia Childs served in the French Resistance during the war. I haven't been able to find an accurate account of her service, but one of my friends claims she was a sniper. He says he saw it on a documentary, but couldn't ID which one, so that might be wrong. >> My understanding, and I forgot where I picked it up, was that she was chosen by the OSS for her accentless French. Or rather, her authentic French regional accent. She spent the war as a French housewife with a hidden radio. She was a liaison for the Resistance. Much of her culinary skill (and recipe collection) was acquired during this period. Mark McFadden "Save the liver!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:48:39 -0400 From: BRUCE BALLON Subject: DG: Dead Sea / Flood Myths (was Mediterranean Stuff) -Reply I think the _Thing at the Threshold_ campaign takes investigators to the Dead Sea as well. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:47:20 -0500 From: "Shane Ivey" Subject: RE: DG: Earthquakes and the Mythos Phil wrote: <> Just look at all that abducting he went through to write COMMUNION! Shane Ivey, Editor and Webmaster, Zealot.com Hecklers Online, Inc: www.hecklers.com - www.ant.com - www.zealot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:01:04 -0700 (PDT) From: trapper Subject: DG: Lovecraft Reference in Recent Book _Our Dumb Century: The Onion Presents 100 Years of Headlines From America's Finest News Source_ has a Lovecraft reference that I thought you all would enjoy... p. 52 - Our Dumb Century The Onion - Finest Source of News in America Friday, April 30, 1937 Nation Escapes Depression Through Fanciful Works of H.P. Lovecraft Fantastical Tales of Better Times Allow Readers to Forget Troubles Though times may be hard, Americans of all ages are forgetting their troubles with the help of beloved fantasy author H.P. Lovecraft. The recently deceased "Weird Tales" contributor transports readers to a happier land of sanity- sapping prehuman subterranea, helping folks everywhere put aside their cares and take a delightfully diverting trip to Lovecraftland. "When the narrator recoils in horror at the non-Euclidean alien geometries of the dreaded Sleeping Elder God Cthulhu's undersea tomb, I was in a dreamland, wishing my own life could be so merry," said reader Gus Derleth, an unemployed quarryman from Wisconsin. "If only I, too, could be plagued by the shifting gelatinous menace of Shub-Niggurath, Black Goat of the Woods with a Thousand Young." Lovecraft's pulp fiction has won its way into the hearts of readers eager for hope. "His disturbed, paranoid tales of unknowable crawling madness serve as a welcome respite for many people suffering through the Depression," Yale University literature professor Paul Slocombe said. "Lovecraft makes readers wish their own lives were as romantic and carefree as those in his stories, like the Mad Arab Abdul Alhazred, who pens the forbidden Necronomicon only to be devoured alive by invisible demons in front of screaming onlookers." Lovecraft's gay yarns lift the spirit and take readers' minds off the difficulties of daily life. "The Dunwich Horror" tells the uplifting story of a half-human abomination born of a human woman and Yog-Sothoth, an ancient, extra- dimensional being worshipped by a half-mad death cult. And the much beloved "Pickman's Model" has won wide popularity for its delightful portrayal of a tortured painter consorting with hideous subterranean perversities too gruesome to face the light of day. Of course, such optimism can only exist in fiction. But, in our reality, victims of these dreary times need only open a Lovecraft book to take an exciting trip to a far-off land where alien beings "construct mighty basalt cities of windowless towers, preying horribly on the minds of all they find there." Would that real life were so grand! ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V2 #78 *******************************