From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V2 #79 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Friday, September 24 1999 Volume 02 : Number 079 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 23:08:10 +0200 From: cd skogsberg Subject: Re: DG: Technical Remote Viewing JT wrote: The Baron Sliderule wrote: > > As for Russian research, there are some good books > >on it...I remember a book called "Psychic Curtain" or > >something? It might have been bogus. But "Shadows of > >the Mind" is pretty good fodder for that, as well. > That may be Psychic Discoveries, The Iron Curtain Lifted by Sheila > Ostrander and Lynn Schroeder, which deals with remote viewing and > Soviet paranormal research. ISBN 0-285-63418-6. > I got a review copy, but haven't read it yet.... ;-) That could be the one: my father has a copy, though I can't find an ISBN (no great wonder - it's published in 1970). There also exists a book called _The New Soviet Psychic Discoveries_ by Henry Gris and William Dick (ISBN for Swedish version only, sorry, mail if you want that), published in '78. Rather cool books, actually (and then there's Brian Lumleys _Necroscope_ books, though they focus more on vampires. some cool ESPionage, though). /cd - -- "Getting a SCSI chain working is perfectly simple if you remember that there must be exactly three terminations: one on one end of the cable, one on the far end, and the goat, terminated over the SCSI chain with a silver-handled knife whilst burning *black* candles." -- Anthony DeBoer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:39:39 -0400 From: Daniel Harms Subject: Re: DG: The Knife of Aqedah At 12:04 PM 9/23/99 -0400, Andrew Gable wrote: > Here's a link detailing the Knife of Aqedah, supposedly the dagger >used by Abraham in the abortive sacrifice of Isaac. As with so much >good RPG material, I can't tell how much (if any) is true, and how >much is invented. >DG Relevance: Mentions Von Junzt, Ludwig Prinn, and the >Skoptsi. >http://rpg.net/quail/NYBN/relic.aqedah.html I'm glad someone called that to the list's attention - I was about to. This piece was actually a collaboration between Allan B. Ruch and Steven Marc Harris (keeper of the Unaussprechlichen Kulten website, for those who remember). As to how much of it's true - why, the parts about Ludwig Prinn and Von Junzt are, of course. ;-) All kidding aside, if you want to use the Skoptsi in your games, you should check this piece out. Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu The Internet: Learn what you know. Share what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:39:47 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: Re: DG: Earthquakes and the Mythos I have several books on Tesla as well. It gets even stranger than that... Mr. Tesla saw complete diagrams of many of his later inventions in visions as he was walking the streets of New York. An electronics company who was working on an anti-missle system using high-energy particles in the upper atmosphere for the "Star Wars" program discovered that they couldn't get a patent because Tesla already had one! Then there's the earthquake machine... Phil Posehn On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:22:45 +0100 "JT" writes: >> >Strangely enough, the day after making that post I got a book on >Tesla, The >Man Who Created the 20th Century. While Tesla may not have been a >guest to >the Yithians, he was a bizarre enough character, hosting dinner >parties >wreathed in electricity.... > >There's nothing really new in it, but it does mention that there are >three >patents based on Tesla's research connected with HAARP - including one >of >them based on his ``death ray'' concept which could be used to fry the >electronics of incoming missiles. > >I also noticed on the DERA website that they carried out tests in >Cornwall >during the eclipse on the ionosphere, in a similar fashion the HAARP >facility. > >Jonathan > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:03:54 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Earthquakes and the Mythos In a message dated 99-09-23 17:48:28 EDT, you write: << I have several books on Tesla as well. It gets even stranger than that... Mr. Tesla saw complete diagrams of many of his later inventions in visions as he was walking the streets of New York. >> I'll have to check for the source, but one Tesla factoid that stayed with me was: Much of Tesla's early life parallels the life experiences of the traditional shaman, and some more modern mystics. He was seriously ill (comatose) with an (unknown?) ailment as a child. When he recovered from this feverish near-death experience, he found he had acquired some new abilities. The most notable one was the ability to "see" diagrams in 3D, with perfect accuracy. Consequently, he did most of his designing in his head, and only rendered drawn diagrams when it was time to apply for a patent. Much of the ability was apparently on par with some "idiot savant" wild talents. Measurements were accurate to several decimal places etc etc etc. Mark McFadden ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:51:17 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: M-A-J, E-S-T, I-C-S-I-X In a message dated 99-09-23 11:39:22 EDT, you write: << "The sprawling complex, which is also known as the Idea Lab and the Dream Factory, is one of the most closely guarded sites in the entertainment world. With Disney under intense competition from other theme parks, the company is paranoid that its cutting-edge ideas might be leaked to its rivals. Only a handful of journalists have ever toured the facilities and all members of staff are on the strictest orders not to divulge details of their work. >> Been there. Or rather, was in the neighborhood and got a tour of one building as part of a job interview. Imagineers need email, too. Looks like a generic industrial park, lots of single story featureless buildings without many signs to indicate what's inside. Most are surrounded by high decorative fences. I didn't think much about the implications at the time, but very few had windows visible from the street. I just thought it was typical industrial "bauhaus" design. Paranoia is a standard part of Disney corporate culture. So I was prepared when my bid to be a consultant required no less than six interviews with various levels of muckety-muck. Some were so far removed from the nuts-and-bolts of what I'd be doing that half of them needed me to explain what the job entailed as the first part of the interview. As it turned out, while waiting for the final tally at the Imagineers, I got snatched up by the Studio group. Just as well, I didn't like the sound of that "Ludovico exam" ;-) *Anecdote* Disney don't screw around when it comes to net security and Big Brother tech. You do not get web access without at least 3 signatures, and there better be a work related need (unless you are an executive, presumably). They also have a net nanny with teeth. Go to the wrong site and you get a big red pulsing and beeping sign that informs you of the seriousness of your transgression, and forwards your ID to a Human Resources VP who WILL have a one-on-one talk with you. They also don't warn you. One of my happy pastimes, (as a consultant allied with the Mouse, rather than an employee under it) was to trick new employees who just got Web access into accessing www.bigtits.com or somesuch. Then I'd split in feigned panic when the Red Screen of Death sounded it's klaxon. I'd also send an email to the HR VP explaining that I was giving a demo to the newbie and disregard yada yada, but I wouldn't tell the newbie that. Just a little something to keep me entertained and get them in the right frame of mind for a career there. Mark McFadden M-I-C, K-E-Y, O-U-S-O-B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:58:33 -0700 From: Gil Trevizo Subject: DG: Forties Sourcebook Crossingham, Adam wrote: >> ObDG: This is me wandering out loud but how many people on the list would >> actually buy a WW2 based DG book or chap book? And how many would actually >> use it to run or play in 1940s period games? I was gonna pass this thread by as it's come up before (over a year ago actually), but then I got to reading the Pagan vs. Chaosium thread on the Strange Aeons mailing list. A regular DGMLer posted something about why Chaosium restricts Pagan to publishing only a certain number of books a year. I don't know if that's true or not, and even if it is whether that really affects Pagan's publishing schedule; but, it may explain why Pagan hasn't been more forthcoming with a sourcebook or even just a chapter book on DG in the '40s, though there seems to be a lot of enthusiasm for such a product (I've already seen 3-4 people here mention '40s campaigns they have run or are running). While it may just be that no one at Pagan is interested in creating this, perhaps there might be a different reason: that Chaosium doesn't want Pagan infringing on their territory. Example: Countdown and Beyond the Mountains of Madness, two massive sourcebook/scenarios similarly in size and price, came out at the same time, seeming to go against any sensible marketing strategy beneficial to both companies (I know I wanted both, but I've had to put BTMOM on the backburner in favor of Countdown). But as Countdown was clearly for 1990s CoC gamers (and mainly DG ones at that) and BTMOM was just as narrow-focused to 1920s (ok, 30s), the strategy could be seen as making sense. With most CoC material geared towards the '20s (though this seems to be changing), Pagan may be freer to do what it wishes with its '90s material in DG. But if it expands the Delta Green setting into the '40s, then Chaosium might be less pleased with that. Realm of Shadows would seem to deep-six this theory, but since that is a straight-out scenario as opposed to a campaign setting that could branch into further products, maybe there is some kind of embargo on past-day products from Pagan. So, it might be less up to the boys in Seattle than those in Oakland. 'Course this is all just me BSing. I don't know the nature of the licensing agreement between Chaosium and Pagan, and I have no idea of the amount of Chaosium's involvement in Pagan's CoC products. Anyways, the folks that make Cthulhu Live are soon coming out with Cthulhu Noir, a sourcebook for CoC in the '30s, '40s, and '50s; while, it probably won't be WW2 specific and will have none of the in-depth details that Pagan could give us on the wartime Delta Green, Karotechia, et. al., it should still prove useful to '40s campaigns. And, while I'd love a '40s sourcebook, I'm really holding my breath for Tynes to give up a scenario or something for CoC set in the LA of the Fifties, Ellroy fanboy that he is. Gil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:54:47 EDT From: PaganArt@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Forties Sourcebook In a message dated 9/24/99 1:03:53 AM, furrylogic@mindspring.com writes: > >'Course this is all just me BSing. I don't know the nature of the licensing >agreement between Chaosium and Pagan, and I have no idea of the amount >of >Chaosium's involvement in Pagan's CoC products. Anyways, the folks that >make Cthulhu Live are soon coming out with Cthulhu Noir, a sourcebook for >CoC in the '30s, '40s, and '50s; while, it probably won't be WW2 specific >and will have none of the in-depth details that Pagan could give us on >the >wartime Delta Green, Karotechia, et. al., it should still prove useful >to >'40s campaigns. > >And, while I'd love a '40s sourcebook, I'm really holding my breath for >Tynes to give up a scenario or something for CoC set in the LA of the >Fifties, Ellroy fanboy that he is. > >Gil I must say, it is quite incredible what will come up, unsolicited from the discussion groups (I don't mean this in a harsh way, but hey, why don't you guys just, I don't know, ask? ;>)) FYI, the next big DG book in development <> a complete sourcebook for DG in WWII, tenatively titled "OUR DARKEST HOUR". It promises to be even more of a bitch-godess than Countdown, due to the sheer complexity of the background, and will probably be longer than Countdown. Also, my novel inches towards completion, it, too, is DG WWII. Thanks for the crazed enthusiasm, but in the future, just ask? - -Dennis Detwiller Art Director/Co-Creator, Delta Green/Silly Rabbit. Pagan Publishing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:17:38 -0700 From: Gil Trevizo Subject: Re: DG: Forties Sourcebook At 09:54 PM 9/23/99 EDT, PaganArt@aol.com wrote: >FYI, the next big DG book in development <> a complete sourcebook for DG >in WWII, tenatively titled "OUR DARKEST HOUR". It promises to be even more >of a bitch-godess than Countdown, due to the sheer complexity of the >background, and will probably be longer than Countdown. > > Also, my novel inches towards completion, it, too, is DG WWII. Words cannot express my joy. >Thanks for the crazed enthusiasm, but in the future, just ask? Okay.... how far into development is OUR DARKEST HOUR? Is it almost done? What needs to be done? Will it expand on PISCES and SVU-8 well as Delta Green's activities in WW2? Will this include: a French DG-style organization? A Japanese Karotechia-like organization (not Black Dragon, maybe Green Dragon?)? Agency templates like in the back of DG and COUNTDOWN? Weapon stats for all WW2-era guns? Rules for handling combat on the battlefield - not like the pansy-ass "charge table" in NO MAN'S LANDS but honest-to-god rules to include heavy weapons (mortars, artillery), armor, and air attacks in combat? How about sanity and shell-shock - a better system for modeling the effects of mililtary violence on sanity? Will it stick to the 1939-1945 timeline of the war or branch out into pre-war (Berlin in the '30s screams for CoC treatment) and post-war (the DG vs Smersh war in Europe, Karotechia escape to South America, Ellroyesque LA escapades, etc)? Will it be all-source material or include scenarios? Besides Nazi bases in Antarctica and the usual Castle Wewelsburg, will it touch on all theaters of the occult war? Tcho-Tchos in Tibet? Nephran-Ka in North Africa? Ghouls under Stalingrad? Mi-Gos and Nazi flying discs? And what about the Kn'Yan and the Dero? Crap! Crap! My brain's locked up! I'm gonna go blubber with excitement now..... Gil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 23:41:15 EDT From: PaganArt@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Forties Sourcebook OK let's see: >Okay.... how far into development is OUR DARKEST HOUR? About a year or more off, right now. >What needs to be done? Will it expand on PISCES and SVU-8 well as Delta >Green's activities in WW2? It will present the groups,thier leadership (NPCs etc), and goals, but will not <> a timeline for WWII. We hope you all will do that for yourselves, although a <> timeline will be provided most likely. >Will this include: a French DG-style >organization? The remnants of a French DG like organization will be provided, Scott Glancy and I already have very strong ideas on this. >A Japanese Karotechia-like organization (not Black Dragon, >maybe Green Dragon?)? The Black Ocean Society, mentioned in Countdown, will be detailed in ODH along with Unit 831. >Agency templates like in the back of DG and >COUNTDOWN? Yes >Weapon stats for all WW2-era guns? Rules for handling combat >on the battlefield - not like the pansy-ass "charge table" in NO MAN'S >LANDS but honest-to-god rules to include heavy weapons (mortars, >artillery), armor, and air attacks in combat? Yes. >How about sanity and >shell-shock - a better system for modeling the effects of mililtary >violence on sanity? Will it stick to the 1939-1945 timeline of the war >or >branch out into pre-war (Berlin in the '30s screams for CoC treatment) >and >post-war (the DG vs Smersh war in Europe, Karotechia escape to South >America, Ellroyesque LA escapades, etc)? It will most likely stick to the generally agreed upon <>, from the invasion of Poland, onward. Not likely that there will be anything in America, but South America and Antarctica are a possibility. >Will it be all-source material >or >include scenarios? Besides Nazi bases in Antarctica and the usual Castle >Wewelsburg, will it touch on all theaters of the occult war? Tcho-Tchos >in >Tibet? Nephran-Ka in North Africa? Ghouls under Stalingrad? Mi-Gos and >Nazi flying discs? And what about the Kn'Yan and the Dero? Crap! Crap! > My >brain's locked up! Let's see. Antarctica, most likely. Welwelsburg definitely (along with all the goodies about the Deep One, Cap De La Hague summoning by the Karotechia), Kn'Yan, most likely no. Deros, no way. Nazi Flying discs, nope, but other Nazi tech, maybe. > >I'm gonna go blubber with excitement now..... > >Gil Thanks GIl, cross your fingers. Its going to be a doozy. - -Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 01:16:12 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Forties Sourcebook In a message dated 9/23/99 8:25:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, furrylogic@mindspring.com writes: << Will it stick to the 1939-1945 timeline of the war or branch out into pre-war (Berlin in the '30s screams for CoC treatment) and post-war (the DG vs Smersh war in Europe, Karotechia escape to South America, Ellroyesque LA escapades, etc)? >> I was just sorting through a pile of Xeroxed scenarios etc from old gaming mags, and I ran into a scenario from White Dwarf (Xeroxed as I said, so I have no record of the volume/issue) called "Ghost Jackal Kill" (by Graeme Davis) that includes Dashiel Hammett after his Pinkerton days. Dashiel Hammett could figure prominently in a 50s scenario. He would have some experience of the Mythos from Ghost Jackal Kill, and he would be on the Fed shit list for refusing to name names for HUAC. I'm imagining The Big Nowhere with a DG spin. Oh yes. Mark McFadden ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 23:25:58 -0700 From: Joseph Camp Subject: Re: DG: Forties Sourcebook >And, while I'd love a '40s sourcebook, I'm really holding my breath for >Tynes to give up a scenario or something for CoC set in the LA of the >Fifties, Ellroy fanboy that he is. He did this, actually, though the setting was slightly different. Tynes' scenario "Dream Factory" in Pagan's CoC anthology MORTAL COILS is a 30,000-word Ellroy pastiche set in 1926 Hollywood, complete with thinly fictionalized versions of assorted luminaries (most notably Walt Disney) and some obscure film-history in-jokes. be seeing you, Alphonse ------------------------------ Date: 24 Sep 1999 08:53:24 BST From: Jacob.Busby@hantsnet.hants.gov.uk, "BSc." Subject: DG: DG/WWII To: deltagreen@nocturne.org From: Jacob Busby, IT Consultant, Tech Futures, IT Data Centre, Hampshire County Council, The Castle, Winchester. Tel: (01962) 845375 Subject: DG/WWII > ObDG: This is me wandering out loud but how many people on the list would > actually buy a WW2 based DG book or chap book? And how many would actually > use it to run or play in 1940s period games? Sounds pretty cool. I can't think of many WWII role-playing games out there, so if you publish the book make sure it includes a few good appendices - such as major events leading up to and running through the war years, plus a list of guns and tanks to keep the GFs happy. This way even if a GM is leery on running a horror campaign set in WWII it'll double as a role-playing resource for WWII (and will hopefully sell more copies) _________ "Quote me as saying I was mis-quoted" /__ __/ /__ __/ / / . / Groucho Marx /___/ /____/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:48:26 +0200 From: Juergen Hubert Subject: Re: DG: Earthquakes and the Mythos > Turkey and Greece are undoubtedly on the same plate so no big surprise > there, I don't know about Tiwan. I'll admit that when I majored in > geology long ago I paid a LOT more attention to the faults in Calif. > where I live. Actually, Turkey and Greece are _not_ on the same tetonic plate - the two quakes are completely unrelated (at least, that's what the geologists say...). - - Juergen Hubert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:49:05 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Forties Sourcebook PaganArt@aol.com schrieb: [snip] > FYI, the next big DG book in development <> a complete sourcebook for DG > in WWII, tenatively titled "OUR DARKEST HOUR". Ooh, spooky coincidence: Years ago I wrote and played a mini-campaign set in London during the German Air Raids that I called "Their darkest hour"... But I am really looking forward to that sourcebook. Sounds pretty cool... ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:32:53 -0700 From: Jeff Ewing Subject: Re: DG: John Ford, the OSS, WWII and DG At 03:29 PM 9/23/99 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 99-09-23 12:14:16 EDT, you write: > ><< Julia Childs served in the French Resistance during the war.>> > > My understanding, and I forgot where I picked it up, was that she was > chosen >by the OSS for her accentless French. Another genial female TV personality it might be fun to include in a post-war scenario would be a young Haganah Guerilla in what was then Palestine named Ruth Westheimer. As I recall she was wounded by fragmentation grenade in the course of the fighting. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:17:04 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: DG: A name ringing a bell.... Greetings, gentlemen. Just a fast note to let all field agents in the European sector know that a group known as "Nitokris Association" is currently holding "Egyptian Appreciation" (what the heck...?) courses here in Turin. We'll observe the standard 48 hours delay before we attempt preliminary contact through expendable friendlies. Be seeing you. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:31:21 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: Forties Sourcebook Greetings! The revelations about the '40s/WWII sourcebook are the best bit of news I got in a while, and saved an otherwise depressing week. So now, just one question..... Do you accept external submissions for this project? I guess I'm not the ony one interested. Cheers! Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:58:12 +0100 From: Fintan Palmer Subject: RE: DG: John Ford, the OSS, WWII and DG >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Ewing [mailto:ewing@postbox.csi.cuny.edu] >Sent: 24 September 1999 6:33 pm >To: Delta Green List >Subject: Re: DG: John Ford, the OSS, WWII and DG > > >At 03:29 PM 9/23/99 -0400, you wrote: >>In a message dated 99-09-23 12:14:16 EDT, you write: >> >><< Julia Childs served in the French Resistance during the war.>> >> >> My understanding, and I forgot where I picked it up, was >that she was >> chosen >>by the OSS for her accentless French. > >Another genial female TV personality it might be fun to include in a >post-war scenario would be a young Haganah Guerilla in what was then >Palestine named Ruth Westheimer. As I recall she was wounded by >fragmentation grenade in the course of the fighting. I may be completely off the mark with this one but wasn't Audrey Hepburn a courier or something for the Dutch resistance when she was a child in occupied Holland? It may have just been a bizarre dream I had :) Fintan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:01:28 -0700 From: Jeff Ewing Subject: Re: DG: M-A-J, E-S-T, I-C-S-I-X At 08:51 PM 9/23/99 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 99-09-23 11:39:22 EDT, you write: > > Looks like a generic industrial park, lots of single story featureless >buildings without many signs to indicate what's inside. Except for the giant fiberglass mouse in wizard robes presiding over the whole. . . > *Anecdote* > > One of my happy pastimes, (as a consultant allied with the Mouse, rather >than an employee under it) was to trick new employees who just got Web access >into accessing www.bigtits.com or somesuch. Then I'd split in feigned panic >when the Red Screen of Death sounded it's klaxon. Lord, who would have thought that being a messaging guru would be so much fun! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:14:26 +0200 From: G_H_O@t-online.de (Heiko Aulbach) Subject: DG: DGML but senseless This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF06B0.41202660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiya, just wanted to tell you all that I=B4m up again after some time in = hospital and my second ruined PC this year! Bye, Heiko - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF06B0.41202660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Both microplates are in turn squeezed in the Europe-Africa collisional system/Alpine fold Belt, and the compounding of stresses makes that sector of the Mediterranean pretty active - and it shows! Look at those mountains! Curious, too, how so much of Western civilization is squeezed between those two microplates and in those mountains. [but making this sort of connections is what caused Prof. Werfel to be kicked out of Pisa University and labelled as a demented old man] End of geological aside. Take care. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:56:36 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: DG: Brief ego-driven rant Greetings, ladies and gentlemen. I just checked in the Ice cave to see if everything was on order - some people has the unnerving habit of leaving Delta Green classified documents in the photocopier. According to the hit counter, I was visitor number 10101. I guess I have to thank you all guys - it's been a long year. OK, let's stop sobbing and back to work. Be seeing you. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:09:07 -0000 From: "Crossingham, Adam" Subject: Re: Re: DG: John Ford, the OSS, WWII and DG Ted Arlauskas writes: <<< ... or do you mean "The Nazis and the Occult" by D. Sklar? I read it a few years back when I heard it helped inspire "Raiders of the Lost Ark." It's ISBN 0-88029-412-4 and a particularly tedious read ... >>> I've read that one too, can't say it was tedious (though it did dawdle and meander) but there's some nice but probably untrue stuff about SS training/indoctrination. Ends with a windy chapter about the perils of modern cults and brainwashing... My favourite title for any Nazi occult book however is 'Storm-Troopers of Satan: An Occult History of the Second World War' by Michael FitzGerald [ISBN 0-7090-4260-4]. Now that says it all really. - -- Adam Crossingham E-mail: adam.crossingham@octavian1009.e-mail.com Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:22:01 -0000 From: "Crossingham, Adam" Subject: DG: Julia Childs [was Re: DG: John Ford, the OSS, WWII and DG] The LizardRoi writes: <<< [Julia Childs] was chosen by the OSS for her accentless French. Or rather, her authentic French regional accent. She spent the war as a French housewife with a hidden radio. She was a liaison for the Resistance. Much of her culinary skill (and recipe collection) was acquired during this period. >>> Please forgive an ignorant European, but does this mean Julia Childs was a celebrity cook (presumably after the war) who had a rather colourful background? And what precisely did she do after the war? Is she still alive? ObDG: On a British cook note front: Ainsley Harricot and Delia Smith have got to be cultists. Harricot is mad and has too many teeth. Smith is ice cold mad. - -- Adam Crossingham E-mail: adam.crossingham@octavian1009.e-mail.com Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:46:17 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: M-A-J, E-S-T, I-C-S-I-X In a message dated 99-09-24 11:00:47 EDT, you write: << Except for the giant fiberglass mouse in wizard robes presiding over the whole. . . >> That's the Animation building across the street from the studios. Visible from the 134 freeway. Buena Vista exit. Incidentally, the executive suites on the lot (studio, not Imagineer) are in a newish building with an interesting architecural feature: there are seven columns with the Seven Dwarves as catarydids. Mark McFadden ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:57:55 -0400 From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: Re: DG: Brief ego-driven rant >According to the hit counter, I was visitor number 10101. Hey Davide, does this mean it's time to convert that old binary hit counter up to something more modern? [He quipped facetiously!] Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:04:16 -0400 From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: Re: DG: Julia Childs [was Re: DG: John Ford, the OSS, WWII and DG] >ObDG: On a British cook note front: Ainsley Harricot and Delia Smith have >got to be cultists. Harricot is mad and has too many teeth. Smith is ice >cold mad. Not to mention the two (er... one) fat ladies (er... lady). Obviously one (er... two!) of the Bloated Woman forms of Gnarly come to tempt us with spotted dick and double cream (Ai! Ai! Cholesterol Floating lipid of the arteries with a thousand side chains!).... and as for the motorbike and sidecar, well that's just too suspect for words. Sorry. It's just the coffee talking. Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:06:28 -0500 From: "Shane Ivey" Subject: RE: Julia Childs [was Re: DG: John Ford, the OSS, WWII and DG] Julia Childs is a culinary superstar in the U.S. She has a long-running TV show where she shows ignorant saps how to prepare fine foods and pass coded messages to foil the plots of those Nazi bastards. (She hates those guys.) She is also the subject of innumerable comedy parodies for her deep, accented voice and stooped posture. (She hates those guys, too.) Shane Ivey, Editor and Webmaster, Zealot.com Hecklers Online, Inc: www.hecklers.com - www.ant.com - www.zealot.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-deltagreen@nocturne.org [mailto:owner-deltagreen@nocturne.org]On Behalf Of Crossingham, Adam Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 1:22 PM To: 'DeltaGreen List' Subject: DG: Julia Childs [was Re: DG: John Ford, the OSS, WWII and DG] The LizardRoi writes: <<< [Julia Childs] was chosen by the OSS for her accentless French. Or rather, her authentic French regional accent. She spent the war as a French housewife with a hidden radio. She was a liaison for the Resistance. Much of her culinary skill (and recipe collection) was acquired during this period. >>> Please forgive an ignorant European, but does this mean Julia Childs was a celebrity cook (presumably after the war) who had a rather colourful background? And what precisely did she do after the war? Is she still alive? ObDG: On a British cook note front: Ainsley Harricot and Delia Smith have got to be cultists. Harricot is mad and has too many teeth. Smith is ice cold mad. - -- Adam Crossingham E-mail: adam.crossingham@octavian1009.e-mail.com Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:12:18 -0700 From: Jeff Ewing Subject: Re: DG: Julia Childs [was Re: DG: John Ford, the OSS, WWII and DG] > > >Please forgive an ignorant European, but does this mean Julia Childs was a >celebrity cook (presumably after the war) who had a rather colourful >background? And what precisely did she do after the war? Is she still alive? Julia Child, no "s". Here's Information Please's entry: 1912–, American cooking teacher, b. Pasadena, Calif. She learned French cooking while her husband was in the diplomatic service in France. In 1961, Child wrote, with Simone Beck and Louisette Bertholle, Mastering the Art of French Cooking. She hosted a series of programs on educational television; the best known is The French Chef, which began in 1963 and is still in syndication. Child's comfortable, off-hand manner took the intimidating quality out of French cooking. Her other cookbooks include The French Chef Cookbook (1968), From Julia Child's Kitchen (1975), and The Way to Cook (1989). "Diplomatic service," eh? What a diplomatic way to put it. >ObDG: On a British cook note front: Ainsley Harricot and Delia Smith have >got to be cultists. Harricot is mad and has too many teeth. Smith is ice >cold mad. Both relatively normal compared with the MC of "Ryori no Tetsujin" --cue Dave and Jay. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:36:45 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: Re: DG: Earthquakes and the Mythos I remember that too. I think itnwas in one of Robert Anton Wilson's books. Phil On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:03:54 EDT LizardRoi@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 99-09-23 17:48:28 EDT, you write: > ><< I have several books on Tesla as well. It gets even stranger than >that... > > Mr. Tesla saw complete diagrams of many of his later inventions in > visions as he was walking the streets of New York. >> > > I'll have to check for the source, but one Tesla factoid that stayed >with me >was: > >Much of Tesla's early life parallels the life experiences of the >traditional >shaman, and some more modern mystics. He was seriously ill (comatose) >with an >(unknown?) ailment as a child. When he recovered from this feverish >near-death experience, he found he had acquired some new abilities. >The most >notable one was the ability to "see" diagrams in 3D, with perfect >accuracy. >Consequently, he did most of his designing in his head, and only >rendered >drawn diagrams when it was time to apply for a patent. > Much of the ability was apparently on par with some "idiot savant" >wild >talents. Measurements were accurate to several decimal places etc etc >etc. > >Mark McFadden ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:11:23 -0400 From: "Jimmie Bise, Jr." Subject: DG: Re: DGML but senseless >Hiya, just wanted to tell you all that I´m up again after some time in hospital and my >second ruined PC this year! > >Bye, Heiko > I definitely hope those two things didn't happen in the same incident! Welcome back!! - -Jimmie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:10:21 -0400 From: "Jimmie Bise, Jr." Subject: Re: Julia Childs [was Re: DG: John Ford, the OSS, WWII and DG] > Julia Childs is a culinary superstar in the U.S. She has a long-running TV > show where she shows ignorant saps how to prepare fine foods and pass coded > messages to foil the plots of those Nazi bastards. (She hates those guys.) > She is also the subject of innumerable comedy parodies for her deep, > accented voice and stooped posture. (She hates those guys, too.) > How have we not mentioned two of my personal favorites, the Cajun Cook, Justin Wilson (Oooeee! We sure gonna have one big Deep One Jambalaya, I guaroontee!) or Martin Yan (Yan Can Cook - a man who is that good with cutlery has to have some Tcho Tcho heritage...)? - -Jimmie Who's not such a bad cook himself, but draws the line at learning French! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 21:13:29 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: Julia Childs [was Re: DG: John Ford, the OSS, WWII and DG] Cheers. Agent Crossingham writes.... > >ObDG: On a British cook note front: Ainsley Harricot and Delia Smith have >got to be cultists. Harricot is mad and has too many teeth. Smith is ice >cold mad. > What kind people are you hanging around with, old man? Elizabeth David. Forget all the rest. That's a DG friendly in the kitchen..... Cheers. Davide Mana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 21:19:17 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: Brief ego-driven rant Greetings. Graeme quipped facetiously (ah, the wonders of the British Education System!) >>According to the hit counter, I was visitor number 10101. > >Hey Davide, does this mean it's time to convert that old binary hit counter >up to something more modern? More modern? On my budget, it's a wonder there's not just a girl from two blocks away, wearing a green usherette uniform, chewing gum with her mouth open, filing her nails and collecting the tokens! On the other hand, that would probably attract more visitors.... Sorry for the sillyness. Davide Mana Meditating on the possibility.... ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V2 #79 *******************************