From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V2 #81 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Monday, September 27 1999 Volume 02 : Number 081 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 17:14:11 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: DG: Why We Fight (The Musical) In a message dated 9/25/99 6:06:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jimmiebjr@olg.com writes: << Oh I agree here. So we're talking about "tinpan alley" classical, jazz, blues, and tango. What is the common denominator among all three of them? What is it about our music that makes it "our" music? >> I'll try to formulate an answer through hints and allegations. How would you define "victory" against the Mythos? Killing Azathoth? Bringing Nyarlathotep up on charges for crimes against humanity? I don't think so. I think the only victory we can strive for is to remain human in spite of the Mythos. Imagine the legendary scene at Beethoven's deathbed. Lightning flashes, thunder roars, and his last living act is to sit up and shake his fist at the heavens. That's Delta Green. Why do we make music at all? When does beating on a log become the base for music? What is the connection between mathematics and music? A friend of mine was a Music major at Ohio State. He told me that they exclusively studied Bach during their freshman year. The idea was that Bach would teach them the fundamentals, and was the best example of the inherent pleasures of symmetry and order. Listening to Bach while reading the score (and seeing the pretty symmetrical designs the notes make on the page) imprints the lesson at a visceral level. Order out of chaos is one theme. But I think that's a limited view. A little binary for my tastes. It implies that chaos is just a bunch of random stuff, and order is when you get all of it marching by the numbers. The Order/Chaos meme seems etched in our DNA. It implies that the two "opposing" forces are in contention for reality. We either want Order... or Chaos. Except for enlightened moderates who seek an eternal balance between the two "opposing" forces. Let's substitute the phrase "patterns out of chaos". Now, chaos is the medium and patterns are the order that we decide to see. Or listen to. Free will, baby. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Is mathematics implicit in the structure of reality? Or is mathematics a human system of symbols and rules to consistently describe reality? Is Pi really and truly part of the fabric of space\time? Math will tell you what notes to put where, and even provides rules to extrapolate where the next should go, but it won't tell you why. That's our job. Being the descendants of ET biological waste, what could it mean to be human in contrast to the Mythos? Is "human" being true to our primate heritage, wailing and howling at the heavens? Or is being "human" turning from the flesh and seeking the sublime on our own terms? What do you want from music; heat or illumination? Before you answer, ponder this: we probably invented (or discovered) music while sitting around a fire, which provides both. "Papa said, Let that boy boogie woogie. Cuz it in 'im, an' it gotta come out." Mark McFadden Answers are what remains when curiosity dies. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:37:04 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: Why We Fight (The Musical) Greetings. The music keeps playing while Mark McFadden ponders >A friend of mine was a Music major at Ohio State. He told me that they >exclusively studied Bach during their freshman year. The idea was that Bach >would teach them the fundamentals, and was the best example of the inherent >pleasures of symmetry and order. Listening to Bach while reading the score >(and seeing the pretty symmetrical designs the notes make on the page) >imprints the lesson at a visceral level. And yet, Bach _did_ leave space to improvisation in his music. In this sense, he was up there with Jelly Roll Morton. > Order out of chaos is one theme. But I think that's a limited view. A little >binary for my tastes. It implies that chaos is just a bunch of random stuff, >and order is when you get all of it marching by the numbers. The Order/Chaos >meme seems etched in our DNA. It implies that the two "opposing" forces are >in contention for reality. We either want Order... or Chaos. Except for >enlightened moderates who seek an eternal balance between the two "opposing" >forces. > Let's substitute the phrase "patterns out of chaos". > Now, chaos is the medium and patterns are the order that we decide to see. >Or listen to. This "patterns against chaos" thing is something I can relate to. I'd add a small precisation - I think it's _living_ patterns against chaos. Patterns that can grow, that are not so rigidly fixed that they become their own prison. That's why individuality and improvisation are so important. I went to a specialist of Chaos and Order for some illumination. I quote.... - ---- Jerry took out his eater and gunned the guards down before they could lift their old-fashioned M-16s into position. "So you don't stand for Religion, either," said the Pope. He fingered the complicated cucifix at his throat. "And you don't stand for Science. You stand for nothing, Jerry. You are alone. Are you sure you have the courage for that?" He took a step, reaching a hand towards the gun. "Consider..." Jerry shot him through the crucifix. He sat down on the clean floor. The Indian teenager's face bore the calm of absolute fear, a familiar expression which many, in the past, had mistaken for tranquillity of mind. He spoke mechanically. "You must love something." "I love her," said Jerry, with a movement of his head in the direction of the girl who stood uncertainly by the door. "And Art," he added with some embarassment, "the foundation of both your houses." He grinned. "This is for Art's sake." He shot the boy in his fat little heart. - ---- And as I'm drifting in a literary mood, I guess one of the best examples of music as a pattern-making weapon against a Mythoid chaos is in a short story called "Beggars in Velvet" (curiously enough, the name of a jazz-blues thing we tried to get off the ground a few years back without any appreciable result) by Brit writer Mary Gentle. You find it in a collection called "Scholars and Soldiers", which I highly recommend. Here I stop for the time being. One last thing... Eckhard wrote >Whenever you loose a girlfriend, get yourself a couple of bottles of your >favourite poison and listen to "That Woman`s got me drinking" and "Her father >didn`t like me anyway". Only these two songs. And the booze. It's off-topic, >but it helps. I'll keep that in mind, my friend. Take care. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 12:31:23 +0300 From: yanasikt@superonline.com (Tolga Yanasik) Subject: DG: O-T : Orff and Who is on our Musical Side > Whenever you loose a girlfriend, get yourself a couple of bottles of your > favourite poison and listen to "That Woman`s got me drinking" and "Her father > didn`t like me anyway". Only these two songs. And the booze. It's off-topic, but > it helps. > ECKHARD, > Who always tries to be helpful. I've the reason to try this tongiht. While I'm listening and drinking, I'm going to write a scenario about the unsolvable nature of women which is more chaotic than the Mythos itself. And I will make my players suffer... Tolga Yanasik PS. Thanks, Eckhard. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:59:33 +0200 (CEST) From: alex@bofh.torun.pl (Janusz A. Urbanowicz) Subject: Re: DG: Forties Sourcebook > >How about sanity and > >shell-shock - a better system for modeling the effects of mililtary > >violence on sanity? Will it stick to the 1939-1945 timeline of the war > >or > >branch out into pre-war (Berlin in the '30s screams for CoC treatment) > >and > >post-war (the DG vs Smersh war in Europe, Karotechia escape to South > >America, Ellroyesque LA escapades, etc)? > > It will most likely stick to the generally agreed upon <>, from > the invasion of Poland, onward. Not likely that there will be anything in > America, but South America and Antarctica are a possibility. If I could suggest something, it should at least start with the beginning of 1939 bacuase there was lots of pre-war military activity (not to mention Anschluss of Austria and occupation of Czechoslowakia). If you'd need any info on this period in Central/Eastern Europe, do not hestiate to ask. BTW: is Green Book project active ? Alex - -- * | Janusz A. "Alex" Urbanowicz, | DSS: 1024/0x21939169 --+~| | http://eris.phys.uni.torun.pl/~alex/ | D-H: 2048/0xA2E48564 \_|/ | "You can't make the history. |_ RSA: 512/0xAB425659 | | You can only hope to survive it." - G'Kar, Babylon 5 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:48:29 -0400 From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: DG: Atlantis of the North Very interesting article in todays Electronic Telegraph about a German (?) Lost City called Vineta. Apparently it stood in Pomerania in the 10th-11th centuries, but "sank". The East German commununist regime even went so far as to keep the area off limits during the cold war. DG relevance is reasonably obvious in connection with Special-K and their interest in Atlantis. The URL is http://www.telegraph.co.uk You will need to register, but it's free and very worthwhile. To find the article in a hurry, use the search engine and the keyword "Vineta". Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu PS. Green Book Update soon (probably!). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:17:12 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: Julia Childs [was Re: DG: John Ford, the OSS, WWII and DG] In a message dated 25/9/99 4:08:26, daf@iwa.att.ne.jp writes: >and From: Jeff Ewing >> Both relatively normal compared with the MC of "Ryori no Tetsujin" --cue >> Dave and Jay. > >Dave merely howls with laughter at being reminded that Iron Chef is for >some >weird reason a hit in the USA. > >Dave > And the ingriedient of the day... Human Ganglia Paste!! Agent Xavier P.S. I think that's what I mean... Heard about this on NPR, but maybe that was something else. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:26:44 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Why We Fight (The Musical) In a message dated 25/9/99 1:16:07, LizardRoi@aol.com writes: >Free will, baby. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. NO! It's that simple. What happened to that whole Old Castro thing? IIRC (and I likely don't) "...wild and free and as the Old Ones..." Agent "Ya Gotta Be Moral" Xavier ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 22:03:05 +0200 From: cd skogsberg Subject: Re: DG: Why We Fight (The Musical) Appelion@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 25/9/99 1:16:07, LizardRoi@aol.com writes: > >Free will, baby. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. > NO! > It's that simple. What happened to that whole Old Castro thing? > IIRC (and I likely don't) "...wild and free and as the Old Ones..." It's because people forget (or ignore) the first part - "an it harm none, do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law". > Agent "Ya Gotta Be Moral" Xavier Simple game theory, really... /cd - -- America was founded by drug smugglers -- rum was the drug, but smugglers nonetheless. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:29:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jay W. Dugger" Subject: DG: META: Traffic volume down? Does my imagination fool me again or has volume really dropped off in the last ten days or so? I've not heard the MiB rant in days... - --------- Jay Dugger : Til Eulenspiegel til_e@hotmail.com : duggerj@reed.edu - --------- Finger duggerj@reed.edu for Geek Code. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:46:11 -0400 From: Daniel Harms Subject: DG: New Age Ethics (was Re: DG: Why We Fight) At 10:03 PM 9/26/99 +0200, you wrote: >Appelion@aol.com wrote: >> In a message dated 25/9/99 1:16:07, LizardRoi@aol.com writes: >> >Free will, baby. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. >It's because people forget (or ignore) the first part - "an it harm >none, do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law". All right, folks. You're in my bailiwick now. It may be off-topic, but it may help people in designing occult-related scenarios. 1) The phrase "Do What Thou Wilt shall be the whole of the Law" comes from the works of the infamous occultist Aleister Crowley. It most likely derives from similar statements in the works of Saint Augustine in Rabelais. The meaning behind it is not total freedom, but involves the doctrine of the True Will. To put it in the simplest terms, it means that you have a purpose (or True Will) in your life. If you don't work with your purpose, things will be difficult. If you do, everything will work so as to help you toward your goal. Furthermore, True Wills never conflict, so if you find yourself in conflict, one person (or both) are not doing their True Wills. The corollary to Crowley's statement is "Love is the law, love under will" (a statement that I don't adequately understand myself). It is traditional for Crowley's followers to begin letters with the "Do What Thou Wilt..." phrase, and end them with "Love is the law..." By some cosmic synchronicity, the Greek words for "love" and "will" are both equivalent to 93 in Gematria (a system of numerology), so followers who don't want to write it out start their letters with "93" ("Will") and end them with "93 93/93" (Love, Love under Will"). 2) "An it harm none, do as thou wilt" is a phrase used in the Wiccan tradition (a loose collection of modern witches). According to some (not all) of them, Crowley got his material from groups of witches practicing in secret - a convincing argument, if one ignores the complete lack of evidence for it. The meaning of that phrase, which is part of their "Rede" (a short piece distilling the essence of their faith), is usually interpreted as "complete personal freedom, so long as no one is harmed". Just what freedom and harm mean are open to debate. Lesson over. ;-) Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu The Internet: Learn what you know. Share what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 18:21:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Pencis Subject: DG: Amen brother on the Blues Blues run deep here in Austin TX - there's a tendancy to just think of Stevie Ray Vaughan and electrified rock/blues - which is fine if that's what you're looking for (there's a statue of Stevie down by the river here). But, you and I know that that is not what we had in mind when we associated it with DG style. I've got 2 box sets to set you onto: The Blues: A Smithsonian Collection of Classic Blues Singers This is 1920s-1950s delta and cityblues recordings from the Smithsonian Folkways collection, it comes with a great discussion on the recordings, their history and the blues as a genre 4 discs (find some samples at this link) http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=975094637/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/ArtistID=Smithsonian+Collections/itemid=3674 Chess Blues Box Set: 1947-1967 This is a bit more electrified than the previous, and more commercial, with recordings by all the big classic blues names (Buddy Guy, Howlin' Wolf, Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, Etta James etc) also 4 discs http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=975094637/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/ArtistID=VA-CHESS+BLUES/itemid=325286 OBDG: Facing long odds and telling tales of death, sorrow, loss, but occaisionally won victory (at a price) - these recordings talk to the heart of DG (Just as Blind Lizard said) Here's an excerpt from the liner notes from the Smithsonian collection regarding the life of Blind Willie Johnson "When he was seven years hold, his stepmother threw a pan of lye water in his face to get even with his father for a beating she'd received. This tragic event blinded the boy and forced him to find another living other than farming...In 1927 he wandered into Dallas where he met his future wife Angeline and met a Columbia field recording unit...(notes on songs)...These releases were praised for Johnson's "violent, tortured and abysmal shouts and groans and his inspired guitar"... His recording carreer over, Johnson returned to Beaumont and continued to eke out a living as a street singer, his main means of support all along. In the winter of 1949 he died from pneumonia, reportedly after being refused admission to a local hospital." - Smithsonian liner notes W.K. McNeil this is but one relevant item I found in 10 mins of re-perusal of the notes. I can go into more detail offline or in response to questions.... Just my dos centavos. Chris Pencis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 20:21:23 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: Re: DG: Amen brother on the Blues Also Dr. John's first album, the one with "Walk On Gilded Splinters" on it, is great for atmosphere...especially for a New Orleans campaign. Phil On Sun, 26 Sep 1999 18:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Chris Pencis writes: >Blues run deep here in Austin TX - there's a tendancy to just think of >Stevie Ray Vaughan and electrified rock/blues - which is fine if >that's >what you're looking for (there's a statue of Stevie down by the river >here). But, you and I know that that is not what we had in mind when >we >associated it with DG style. > >I've got 2 box sets to set you onto: >The Blues: A Smithsonian Collection of Classic Blues Singers >This is 1920s-1950s delta and cityblues recordings from the >Smithsonian >Folkways collection, it comes with a great discussion on the >recordings, >their history and the blues as a genre 4 discs (find some samples at >this >link) >http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=975094637/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/ArtistID=Smithsonian+Collections/itemid=3674 > > >Chess Blues Box Set: 1947-1967 >This is a bit more electrified than the previous, and more commercial, >with recordings by all the big classic blues names (Buddy Guy, Howlin' >Wolf, Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, Etta James etc) also 4 discs >http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=975094637/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/ArtistID=VA-CHESS+BLUES/itemid=325286 > >OBDG: Facing long odds and telling tales of death, sorrow, loss, but >occaisionally won victory (at a price) - these recordings talk to the >heart of DG (Just as Blind Lizard said) Here's an excerpt from the >liner >notes from the Smithsonian collection regarding the life of Blind >Willie >Johnson > >"When he was seven years hold, his stepmother threw a pan of lye water >in >his face to get even with his father for a beating she'd received. >This >tragic event blinded the boy and forced him to find another living >other >than farming...In 1927 he wandered into Dallas where he met his future >wife Angeline and met a Columbia field recording unit...(notes on >songs)...These releases were praised for Johnson's "violent, tortured >and >abysmal shouts and groans and his inspired guitar"... His recording >carreer over, Johnson returned to Beaumont and continued to eke out a >living as a street singer, his main means of support all along. In >the >winter of 1949 he died from pneumonia, reportedly after being refused >admission to a local hospital." - Smithsonian liner notes W.K. McNeil > >this is but one relevant item I found in 10 mins of re-perusal of the >notes. I can go into more detail offline or in response to >questions.... > >Just my dos centavos. > >Chris Pencis > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:40:03 -0400 From: Greg Muir Subject: Re: DG: Why We Fight (The Musical) > > >Free will, baby. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. > > > NO! > > > It's that simple. What happened to that whole Old Castro thing? > > IIRC (and I likely don't) "...wild and free and as the Old Ones..." > > It's because people forget (or ignore) the first part - "an it harm > none, do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law". That's the Wiccan version. Alester Crowley was responsible for the Law of Thelma which was "Do what thou wilt, and that shall be the whole of the law." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:44:15 -0400 From: Greg Muir Subject: Re: DG: New Age Ethics (was Re: DG: Why We Fight) > 2) "An it harm none, do as thou wilt" is a phrase used in the Wiccan > tradition (a loose collection of modern witches). According to some > (not all) of them, Crowley got his material from groups of witches > practicing in secret - a convincing argument, if one ignores the > complete lack of evidence for it. The meaning of that phrase, > which is part of their "Rede" (a short piece distilling the essence of > their faith), is usually interpreted as "complete personal freedom, > so long as no one is harmed". Just what freedom and harm mean > are open to debate. > > Lesson over. ;-) It comes from their trifold law, a kind of wiccan golden rule. What magick you work comes back to you in threes because there is energy spent summoning and channeling the power. If you're working happy spells you don't have to worry about what you retain. If you're working nasty spells you end up taking it back in turn. The good witch doesn't actively seek to harm anything, mainly because of enlightened self-interest. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:09:04 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: Yet another book recommendation Since things are a little slowed down (don't worry about the MiB, Jay--I'm sure it's just the usual med/therapy cycle, and he'll be back with a massive burst of scatological posts sometime this week--me, I'm just praying for another MEMCOM!), I thought I'd toss out a book I just finished: /Obake Files: Ghostly Encounters in Supernatural Hawai`I/, by Glen Grant, ISBN 1-56647-224-5. Picked it up in Hawaii during vacation just for fun, and it turned out to be an excellent resource. Grant has been collecting tales of the supernatural in Hawaii for decades, and he organized a number of "chicken skin" tours of downtown Honolulu and other places, visiting haunted spots and telling the stories. Some have accused him of hucksterism, but I see a man who really just loves his work and tries to tell the stories with accuracy and respect. Of course I (75% Scientific Materialist, 25% Frightened Cave Dweller) don't believe in ghosts--but then again I don't disbelieve. Excellent "true" (that is, not meant as fiction) spooky stories that will give you plenty of ammunition for any haunted-house adventures, and tons of excellent background materials for a campaign set (or at least making a stopover) in Hawaii. And lots of connections with previous threads, especially the section on Nightmarchers (Wild Hunt parallel) and the Menehune (Little People). I came away from it convinced that Hawaii is the most "haunted" place in the USA. I also loved all the connections with other cultures that have come to Hawaii, especially Japan. (Also, LOTS of 23s to be found throughout!) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:04:26 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: Re: DG: New Age Ethics (was Re: DG: Why We Fight) From: Greg Muir > It comes from their trifold law, a kind of wiccan golden rule. What > magick you work comes back to you in threes because there is energy > spent summoning and channeling the power. If you're working happy spells > you don't have to worry about what you retain. If you're working nasty > spells you end up taking it back in turn. The good witch doesn't > actively seek to harm anything, mainly because of enlightened > self-interest. Ooh, sounds like this might just lead back to... a magic thread! Whoo-hoo! Now, as much as I love my dear Aunt Angel (Wiccan High Priestess, aka "Witchy-Poo") and respect her beliefs, you know we gotta hijack them for the Mythos (just as ALL religious beliefs get hijacked for the Mythos). So, since all magic is Mythos magic (it seemed that was the overall conclusion the last time this came up), no matter how good the intentions may be, spellcasting leads to corruption. (Once again, this is FOR GAMING PURPOSES ONLY--no offense to your real-world religious beliefs intended, dear Reader.) In the end, even beneficial nature magic is connected to Shub-Niggurath; ditto for fertility spells and, I figure, the connected love spells (although you could make a good argument for Nyarlathotep or Hastur connections here). It'll all come around and bite you in the ass. This is part of the "real" (meaning game-world) explanation for why witches have such a bad rep: even the good ones (and they would have been the majority, I figure, as long as "good" means in the sense of helping out the community, curing illnesses, finding mates, etc) turned bad with time. As they discovered more and more powerful magics, they got bad faster and faster. It was the incompetent, or at least content to have little power, who were innocent victims of the Burning Times, as they hadn't tapped the kinds of powers that would turn their hearts black and drop them into a bottomless pit of madness and degradation. But even these witches knew certain rituals to shield themselves from the corrosive effects--protective rituals to shore up their minds' defenses and make the darkness take longer in coming. Now the modern-day witches, whether or not they have a real connection with the witches of ancient Europe (I myself think it's probably just a nice myth), have discovered some of the old knowledge (this is CoC, after all--discovering ancient knowledge best left forgotten is a key theme). They are developing their skills in their haphazard way, but they don't know most of the old protective rituals. There's your scenario seed: nature-loving witch covens, perhaps even allied with the players (like those two guys from At Your Door), get drawn over the edge. We see this in Stolze's "Potential Recruit," from /Alien Intelligence/. But maybe set it a little earlier, like just when the coven is beginning to go over. No insane cult leader yet, no crazed minions, nobody waving bloody knives around and screaming "Cthulhu ftagn!" The members have low SAN, but not zero. They could still be saved. If only the players handle it right...but the cult just sent in the card for The Time/Life Revelations of Glaaki (one volume a month--you can stop your subscription at any time...NOT!) and time has just run out. Do they waste possible innocents? Who has gone over, who is still worth saving? Granted, it'll all probably turn into a "Kill them all, let the Bright Mother sort them out" situation, but for the more thoughtful groups, it could provide some major problems of morality. Dave will take a blairwich on rye, heavy on the mandrake ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:17:27 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: Re: Amen brother on the Blues Dam' Good Chris Pencis wrote: > this is but one relevant item I found in 10 mins of re-perusal of the > notes. I can go into more detail offline or in response to questions.... We brought up Robert Johnson last time we were tossing around theme-music ideas, and I still think he's got to be about the best choice for DG's music man--deals with the Devil, after all (besides, I've got him occasionally playing gigs at Mike's Place in the Dreamlands, so I've got a personal stake in it). But Blind Willie Johnson is right up there, too. Oh man...ouch. And think, if he hadn't lost his vision, he'd have probably been a farmer. Not that that's a bad thing in itself, but it's still a case of sacrifice leading to discovery of terrible inner knowledge (the Blues), shared with the world (his music)--I love the Wotan parallels. Same for DG agents, only they don't share the knowledge. They know nobody really wants to hear the song. Dave ------------------------------ Date: 27 Sep 1999 08:44:44 BST From: Jacob.Busby@hantsnet.hants.gov.uk, "BSc." Subject: DG: Ghost Jackal Kill To: deltagreen@nocturne.org From: Jacob Busby, IT Consultant, Tech Futures, IT Data Centre, Hampshire County Council, The Castle, Winchester. Tel: (01962) 845375 Subject: Ghost Jackal Kill > I was just sorting through a pile of Xeroxed scenarios etc from old gaming > mags, and I ran into a scenario from White Dwarf (Xeroxed as I said, so I > have no record of the volume/issue) called "Ghost Jackal Kill" (by Graeme > Davis) that includes Dashiel Hammett after his Pinkerton days. The scenario was written as a lead-in to the GW/CoC adventure "Statue of the Sorceror" which is now out of print and very difficult to get ahold of. _________ "Quote me as saying I was mis-quoted" /__ __/ /__ __/ / / . / Groucho Marx /___/ /____/ ------------------------------ Date: 27 Sep 1999 08:55:13 BST From: Jacob.Busby@hantsnet.hants.gov.uk, "BSc." Subject: DG: Disney Internet Access To: deltagreen@nocturne.org From: Jacob Busby, IT Consultant, Tech Futures, IT Data Centre, Hampshire County Council, The Castle, Winchester. Tel: (01962) 845375 Subject: Disney Internet Access > Disney don't screw around when it comes to net security and Big Brother > tech. You do not get web access without at least 3 signatures, and there > better be a work related need (unless you are an executive, presumably). They But you can go to an Internet Cafe and send mail from your hotmail account. Incidentally Disney's Island, Castaway Cay, was destroyed by Hurricane Floyd and won't be open for at least two months. Makes you wonder if there was anything else on Castaway Cay which might also have been destroyed. _________ "Quote me as saying I was mis-quoted" /__ __/ /__ __/ / / . / Groucho Marx /___/ /____/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:10:14 +200 From: yanasikt@superonline.com Subject: DG: Human Genome Project This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ---=_hobbit37ef5096 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IIRC the HGP is being conducted by National Human Genome Research Institute and National Health Institute. What I want to know is if there are any private sector companies that assist HGP. If so, I will use one to infiltrate HGP on behalf of a cult of Cthulhu on my upcoming campaign. Also, if you read it, what's your comment on Pagan's Cult of Cthulhu ? Regards, Tolga Yanasik ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:52:02 -0000 From: "Crossingham, Adam" Subject: Re: DG: Forties Sourcebook Dennis Detwiller writes: <<< FYI, the next big DG book in development <> a complete sourcebook for DG in WWII, tenatively titled "OUR DARKEST HOUR". It promises to be even more of a bitch-godess than Countdown, due to the sheer complexity of the background, and will probably be longer than Countdown. >>>> Great! - Bastards - Great! - Bastards - Great! - Bastards - Great! - Bastards - Great!..... - -- Adam Crossingham E-mail: adam.crossingham@octavian1009.e-mail.com Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:08:33 -0400 From: becole@juno.com Subject: Re: DG: New Age Ethics On Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:46:11 -0400 Daniel Harms writes: >"will" are both equivalent to 93 in Gematria (a system of >numerology),so followers who don't want to write it out start their letters with >"93" ("Will") and end them with "93 93/93" (Love, Love under Will"). Odd that you mention the number '93'..... Let's do a quick exercise. Alpha representation : D--A---N--I--E---L H--A---R---M--S Numerical representation : 4 --1--14--9-5--12 8--1--18--13--19 Adding the numerical represenation, we get (4+1+14+9+5+12+8+1+18+13+19) 104 Okay, the alpa representation has 11 characters... Now, subtract the alpha rep. from the numerical rep... (104-11 = 93) I think its time you come clean, MR Harms, if that is your REAL name ;-) So, logically, does this make you an 'extension' of the will? (And I'm sure the ladies would like to know if you're an extended, er, love) -B ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 07:49:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Pencis Subject: DG: Tidal Wave 'Bomb' research in WW II Here's a link to a story about the Allies attempts to develop a tidal wave 'bomb' in WW II, cheifly researched by a New Zealand professor. The link is credible (The Independant) and provides some interesting background. http://www.independent.co.uk/atp/INDEPENDENT/NEWS/P3S2.html OBDG: Did deep ones somehow get stirred up and stop research? Military Industrial Complex stirring to re-start research? Tests possibly stirring up deep one colonies, or even disturbing the Big-C's pad at Rlyeh? food for thought Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:35:06 -0400 From: "Davis, Gregory (Greenville)" Subject: DG: RE: Human Genome Project IIRC there are a number of private firms doing independant research on this. They have a sort of co-op agreement to share. I believe Discovery Channel covered this fairly recently. - -----Original Message----- From: yanasikt@superonline.com [mailto:yanasikt@superonline.com] Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 10:10 AM To: deltagreen@nocturne.org Subject: DG: Human Genome Project IIRC the HGP is being conducted by National Human Genome Research Institute and National Health Institute. What I want to know is if there are any private sector companies that assist HGP. If so, I will use one to infiltrate HGP on behalf of a cult of Cthulhu on my upcoming campaign. Also, if you read it, what's your comment on Pagan's Cult of Cthulhu ? Regards, Tolga Yanasik ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:40:07 -0500 From: "Shane Ivey" Subject: [none] A new sci-fi TV movie has an element which should be familiar to everyone here. Coincidence? If Martin Sheen's a weaselly Adept and Casper Van Dien gets sacrificed to Omar Shakti's pet cat, count me in... but I won't hold my breath... "TBS - Timeshifters - October 17 8 pm ET/PT Two Hour Movie "Tabloid journalist makes creepy discovery. While examining photographs from famous disasters throughout time, he notices that a mysterious man appears in many of the pictures. From the Titanic to the destruction of Huricane Hugo -- this guy is there and he's unchanged. When he investigates only to find his life on the line. Stars Casper Van Dien ("Starship Troopers"), Catherine Bell ("JAG"), Martin Sheen ("West Wing"), Theresa Saldana ("Raging Bull"), and Cathrine Van Dien (Dynasty")." (SF Tube Talk Fall Preview, from the Magrathea/SFTV Page, http://tv.acmecity.com/scifi/4) Shane Ivey, Editor and Webmaster, Zealot.com Hecklers Online, Inc: www.hecklers.com - www.ant.com - www.zealot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:45:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dennis Campbell Subject: Re: DG: RE: Human Genome Project Since NIH (National Institutes of Health) funds are limited, parts of the genome that may produce patentable results are being researched by companies (Including star-ups, so for Delta Green purposes, make up your own)As each bit is figured out, it has to be uploaded to a web site within a certain time period- 24 hours, I think. That web site is probably easy to find, but I do not know the URL. Jeff Campbell. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:50:35 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Joseph Ellis Subject: Re: DG: Forties Sourcebook On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Crossingham, Adam wrote: > Dennis Detwiller writes: > > <<< FYI, the next big DG book in development <> a complete sourcebook > for DG > in WWII, tenatively titled "OUR DARKEST HOUR". It promises to be even more > of a bitch-godess than Countdown, due to the sheer complexity of the > background, and will probably be longer than Countdown. >>>> > > Great! - Bastards - Great! - Bastards - Great! - Bastards - Great! - > Bastards - Great!..... > > -- > Adam Crossingham Hi Adam, Going to be contributing from your home campaign then? Steve. (Who keeps meaning to email you about GenCon and what happened on the last night.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:57:10 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Joseph Ellis Subject: DG: 'Manhunter' Soundtrack 'Lo All, Always a fan of 'Silence of the lambs' music for building horror as background sounds, I was impressed to see and hear the music for the Red Dragon adaptation 'Manhunter' at the weekend. I was wondering if anyone else had a copy of the soundtrack and if so, how good is it as background music? Anybody know where I can get a copy (afterall, Manhunter was a minor movie from the 80's. Its unlikely that MCA will still be seeling copies.) Many thanks, Steve. "In the long run we are all dead" -John Maynard Keynes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:30:06 -0400 From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: Re: DG: Human Genome Project Tolga wrote: >IIRC the HGP is being conducted by National Human Genome Research Institute and >National Health Institute. >What I want to know is if there are any private sector companies that assist >HGP. If so, I will use one to infiltrate HGP on behalf of a cult of Cthulhu >on my upcoming campaign. Also, if you read it, what's your comment on Pagan's >Cult of Cthulhu ? Yes. Most of the big pharmaceutical companies are making some contribution to the HGP, the problem they have is disclosure: if they release the sequences they have, then: A. they can't file any patents (well, they can, but it's a LOT more difficult) B. everyone else knows what they're working on. ...So the pharmaceutical companies will probably keep quiet about which bits they have already sequenced (which is good from a conspiracy point of view). Note that although NIH and the NHGRI are both blowing their trumpets about how "they're" sequencing the genome, lots of institutes are doing it as well. In fact, the big two are Craig Venter's establishment (The Institute of Genome Research: TIGR) and the Sanger Centre at Cambridge (UK). The Sanger picks up a big grant from the UK government (administered via the medical research council [MRC] and the biotechnology and biological sciences research council [BBSRC]) but actually derives most of it's funding from the Wellcome trust, which is a private charitable institution. Note that both TIGR and the Sanger are also sequencing other (non-human) genomes (mouse, fruit fly, malaria, bacteria etc. - most of the viruses have already been done). [Rant Mode/ ON] The interesting thing, as far as I am concerned, is whose genome are they sequencing? The sequence itself means nothing unless you have an idea as to which gene does what, so how (from a brand new sequence which isn't related to anything else in the database) do you know that a gene is important, or even normal, once it has been found? This is why I haven't fallen into the career trap of simply sequencing things... sooner or later, all the molecular biologists who just clone and sequence all day will have to get their hands dirty and do some _real_ experiments to find out what their new gene does outside of the test tube! [Rant Mode/ OFF] As for the Cult of Cthulhu, it's a worthwhile read but probably I'll only make immediate use of it in game terms as one of my famous Mondo Handouts (TM) to freak players out. Some background stuff is useful for keepers who need a more in depth overview of the Mythos, but Mr. Harms (who was right about New York, I might add!) may be better equipped to comment on this. Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V2 #81 *******************************