From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V2 #89 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Monday, October 4 1999 Volume 02 : Number 089 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 00:52:51 +0900 From: "Noyes" Subject: DG: RE: Musings on the Emperor (was Re: Dark shadows) >all--they make less noise than those jack-booted Nazis.) Then again, Japan >already has several important occult objects, particularly the Three >Imperial Treasures: the Sword, the Mirror, and the Stone. Perhaps when the Although it should be pointed out that these are replicas, the originals having been lost in various misadventures. Or have they? Or, if they have, why shouldn't there be a huge search for them, complete with deep ones (I believe the swords was lost in a shipwreck.) Jay ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:19:41 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: DG: DG(?):Me, I'm off topic. How 'bout you? In a message dated 1/10/99 10:34:33, daf@iwa.att.ne.jp writes: >There's a god in that >rock, and he likes sake. So he'll give the family good luck if they keep >him >happy. Wouldn't you? Agent Xavier Gotta go, I have to prepare death camps so I can ascend to godhood, live in a rock, and drink sake. Sorry about my incredibly poor taste. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 02:31:09 -0500 (CDT) From: MSubias@ix.netcom.com Subject: DG: The Institution Dave K said... "Consider the following scenario: No secret organization can stay completely secret forever and the worst has happened, DG has been compromised... Full disclosure has been shown to the American people. What does the average public Joe's opinion of Delta Green and its mission? What could and would DG make public to save itself and its mission? You have to look at this question through the lens of both Delta Green Agents and not role-players who know everything about the mythos. What does DG really have they can show to justify their existence? What will that public make out of its cowboy operations (everything from Cambodia to Waco)? Could the public really form an unbiased opinion of us and what will history say of us?" Interesting questions. Cynically, I'd hope that DG might avoid being compromised by throwing the friendlies to the wolves, and using various agents to spread disinformation in about the organization in a strategic manner. Maybe they can convince the public that a relatively small group of anti-cultist vigilantes exist, but hide DG's existence. Even more cynically, far too few Americans are actually interested in current events or in the abuses to our civil liberties which have been carried out, for example, because of the drug war. Far fewer Americans will care what happened in Cambodia almost thirty years ago. Who did what at Waco is fuzzy enough in the real world, and frankly, I think most Americans don't care much one way or the other about how Koresh's people died, or who was responsible for killing them. An investigation is under way now, but if it puts Janet Reno in a bad light, many very loud voices will simply claim that it is "evil Republican extremists" grinding their disreputable axes. Most Americans are either happily ignorant or too partisan to care about the government really does. How can a DG connection be established that is strong enough to make a sonombolistic public care about DG's involvement? All that aside, I suppose without letting the public know that the occult is real, DG could claim that they are a covert anti-cult/ anti-terrorist organization started (heroically) during WW II to counter delusional Nazis willing to kill for occult artifacts and murder countless innocents as sacrifices in bizarre but ultimately useless rituals ("after all, if magic works, why didn't the Reich win?"). It should be pretty possible with a combination of plausible deniability, misinformation, and other techniques to construct a pretty heroic history for DG (We're sort of like Indiana Jones, except without the occult stuff being real). Maybe they could even (secretly) fund documentaries or articles on the evil nature of the Tcho-Tchos, and why the CIA eliminated them (they were eating our brave Montegard allies and/or were Communist stooges, etc), and on other historic subjects. _Maybe_ if they really got desparate, they could release some Deep One related info to saturate the media with news that will overshadow DG-related news, and give them extra time to cover their trail. Hey, maybe DG can pass of the Deep Ones (honestly) as a hostile alien race native to earth but dangerout to humanity. _That_ would occupy the thrill-seeking public. Then again, the long term problems this might cause could be a bad trade-off. I'd hate to see legit, non-DG scientists get too interested in the Deep Ones... Maybe Majestic could be put in the hot seat too, if info on the Greys could be given to the same media watchdogs that get wind of DG. If M-12 manages to hush the affair, maybe it would end up killing the DG-related investigations too. Marco ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:50:18 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: Ask the experts Well, the man said "Just ask, next time." Anyway, I noticed the ad for DGEOV3, which says it'll be done soon. As I'm about to mail off an order, I'm wondering if I should wait and order it, too (and thereby have enough for a free copy of the French edition of Fearful Passages...not that I particularly want such a thing as I don't read French, but it might be nice to have the handouts). So Paganites, the question is, about when do you expect it to be available? Dave (I'm posting this to the List as I figure the info will be of benefit to others than myself.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 09:24:29 -0700 From: Joseph Camp Subject: Re: DG: Ask the experts >So Paganites, the question is, about when do you expect it to be available? Not for a few more weeks, I fear. When it actually goes to press, they'll add it to the catalog & order form for pre-orders. But that hasn't happened yet. be seeing you, Alphonse ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:41:12 +0100 From: G_H_O@t-online.de (Heiko Aulbach) Subject: DG: SDI Hiya, well I just sat here, watching the news, when there happened to be a feature about the US testing a nice, small missile, that was designed and able to intercept intercontinental ballistic missiles. During the test, it was able to destroy a ´Dummy-IBM´. This test was said to have cost about 100 mio $, with two more tests still to come, after which Mr.Clinton would decide whether to build an anti-missile shield around the US or not. Could it be, that the cold war is not really over at all? If it is over, then why in hell are they testing and building such a thing!? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 19:36:46 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: DG: Eso-terrorism Greetings. This country is going to Hell in a bucket. And no kidding. Two nights ago, a police operation led to the arrest of a few dozens wan... sorry, satanists, in the Rome area (Tivoli, to be precise - the name should be familiar with "Dolce Vita" fans). Adepts of the "Burzum" sect, they used to gather the first friday of every month to celebrate their black mass. The charges are the usual - defacement of public and private properties, rape, drug detention, pushing and abuse: the younger ladies in the cult were apparently dosed with various substances (anything-goes style - from extasy to LSD, and odd mixes thereof), and then shared by males in the group. Two things are of possible interest to DG a - the group was limited to "unsuspectable" upper-middle class elements, as the admission fee was somewhere in the 75K US$ area (yes, kids, seventyfive kilobucks to join a satanic cult). b - they were actually a subsidiary of a group based in Sweden. [oho!] The Swedish branch of the organization is rather more dangerous than the now-defunct Italian counterpart - to the above mentioned crimes and misdemeanors, the Swedish cultists compound arson (they usually set fire to wooden churches), bombings of sites of religious importance and other such terminal activities. So much so that law enforcement elements ciovering their activities have coined the expression "Eso-terrorists" to describe the set up: militant, violent and active members of esotheric groups, well equipped and ready to act on short notice against ideologically significant targets. Does the stuff ring some alarm bells out there? Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 21:53:07 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: SDI Cheers! Heiko was faster than me and wrote [snippage] >Could it be, that the cold war is not really over at all? >If it is over, then why in hell are they testing and building such a thing!? The test has probably a political meaning: MJ12 is flexing some lo-tech muscle to show the Greys Uncle Sam's still a force to be reckoned with. That missile hitting the decoy target means "We're not so dependant" and also (but not officially) "We can still shoot down one of your boats". Now the question is - what actually happened to force the bronsons' hand? Either that, or it's just A-Cell pulling strings to embez.... ehm, sorry, to replenish the Delta Green coffers. The missiles cost just 25 mil. US$, you see.... Just some wild thinking. Hmmm, who's taht knocking this late at night.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 03:35:49 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: Re: DG: Delta Green Eyes 1 What was the final decision on the hardcover DG question? Phil ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 16:27:43 -0400 From: Greg Muir Subject: Re: DG: SDI Allegedly the testing is to prevent against terrorist states launching missiles at us. The system wouldn't be designed to stop a Soviet-scale 200 missile first strike, instead it would be able to knock down a half-dozen or so missiles. Personally I think an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Determine who would be likely to pop missiles off at us in the first place and take steps to prevent them from ever aquiring the ability. Heiko Aulbach wrote: > > Hiya, > well I just sat here, watching the news, when there happened to be a > feature about the US testing a nice, > small missile, that was designed and able to intercept intercontinental > ballistic missiles. During the test, it was able > to destroy a ´Dummy-IBM´. > This test was said to have cost about 100 mio $, with two more tests still > to come, after which Mr.Clinton would > decide whether to build an anti-missile shield around the US or not. > Could it be, that the cold war is not really over at all? > If it is over, then why in hell are they testing and building such a thing!? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:42:29 -0400 From: "Jimmie Bise, Jr." Subject: DG: Re: SDI >Could it be, that the cold war is not really over at all? >If it is over, then why in hell are they testing and building such a thing!? > Okay, I'm guessing here that the official line is that "The Cold War may be over, but that doesn't mean that there are still countries hostile to the United States that have Intercontinental Nuclear capability". North Korea springs immediately to mind. If this can be made a global defense, it can also help to diffuse (possibly) the nuclear capabilities of such countries as India, Pakistan, Israel, and a few others. The not-so-official line could be that MJ-12, like Davide said, is trying to flex a little muscle against the Greys. That's the most obvious one. - -Jimmie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:12:33 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: SDI In a message dated 03/10/1999 12:04:53, doctor.dee@iol.it writes: >Either that, or it's just A-Cell pulling strings to embez.... ehm, sorry, >to replenish the Delta Green coffers. >The missiles cost just 25 mil. US$, you see.... > To high-profile, if you ask me. Now, plastic sheds: Figure we double the price to $500, and there are probably 500K in the US. $2,500,000,000 from plastic sheds ALONE! Multiply by hammers, nails, CIA black funds, DoD plumbing, and all the rest, and you'v much more money with much less risk. And I haven't even mentioned Medicaid fraud. Agent Xavier ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:16:32 EDT From: Popeyesays@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: SDI In a message dated 10/3/99 12:45:48 PM Central Daylight Time, G_H_O@t-online.de writes: << Hiya, well I just sat here, watching the news, when there happened to be a feature about the US testing a nice, small missile, that was designed and able to intercept intercontinental ballistic missiles. During the test, it was able to destroy a ´Dummy-IBM´. This test was said to have cost about 100 mio $, with two more tests still to come, after which Mr.Clinton would decide whether to build an anti-missile shield around the US or not. Could it be, that the cold war is not really over at all? If it is over, then why in hell are they testing and building such a thing!? >> Thbe ratinalizations is this: The Soviet Union is gone and we will not be likely to see a massive ICBM strike targeted on the US; however the possibility of "bandit" nations gaining a few warheads and missile delivery systems grows greater with every passing day, and the collapse of the CCCP only makes that an even greater threat since disreputable elements might sell Soviet nukes to the highest bidder. Therefore an anti-missile system (while it might have a snowball's chance against several hundred MIRV would perform just fine against a less intense attack. I'm not sure I agree, but that is the rationalization. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:34:16 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: Re: DG: Musings on the Emperor (was Re: Dark shadows) From: Davide Mana > thankfully Dave (another one... we could file some papers with the Powers > That Be to be recognized as Independent Race) started something As long as we're not servitors, that's cool with me! > The guy you're looking for is count Otani Kozui, and the book you need to > check out is "Foreign Devils on the Silk Road", by Great Game expert Peter > Hopkirk (Oxford publishes it in Europe, but I think the International Ed. > is by Japan's Own Kodansha Publishing Ltd.) I'll definitely be looking for that one--sounds like it ties in nicely to something else I've been looking into. > Otani was the leader of a thing called "Jodo Shinzu" - the "Pure Land Sect" > (a Buddhist group that needs an in-depth DG investigation _now_). Ah, synchronicity...you see, my wife was raised (and continues to be, nominally) Jodo Shinshu! Not very religious, though, and knows almost no doctrine--just that if you say "Namu Amida Butsu" enough times, you'll get into the Pure Land. Now that sounds like a spell to me. Maybe each time you say it, you lose a fraction of a Magic Point, which goes out to Somebody (and not necessarily a malevolent Somebody--maybe you're fueling the powers of a Dreamlands deity who is fighting the Mythos). Or maybe it helps maintain the barriers that keep some monster from entering our world. Or perhaps it will eventually summon ... something. Other than that, can't say I've noticed much game-useful about Jodo Shinshu. It's probably the sect of Buddhism that is closest in doctrine to Christianity (there may be a connection from the early days of Christianity in Japan, but I'm not sure about that). It has a bit of a following in the US, mainly in California and Hawaii, of course, but it's not as attractive as Zen to most non-Japanese Americans. I've read that the younger Hawaiian members (mostly nisei) are getting a bit fed up with the conservatism of the aging priests (mostly native Japanese). [lots of great Indiana Jones-esque info snipped] 1/3 of his collection taken by the Russians, eh? Now there's food for thought. Well, can't comment on much else until I've found the tome. I'll get on it. And From: Noyes : > >particularly the Three > >Imperial Treasures: the Sword, the Mirror, and the Stone. > > Although it should be pointed out that these are replicas, the originals > having been lost in various misadventures. > > Or have they? There was a great alternative-history just-before-WW2 manga that featured a big hunt for the Sword--the Nazis and the Fascist Imperial Japanese were trying to get it, while our hero (a dashing young fellow from a samurai family) tried to keep it out of their hands, assisted by no less than Ernest Hemingway. It also had robot tanks, bionic arms, fire-breathing ninjas, and other oddness. I would imagine that, post-war, Delta Green would try to confiscate as many such artifacts as possible and get them boxed away in that dusty warehouse. This sets things up for an adventure featuring NINJAS INVADING THE PENTAGON! Whoo-hoo! Especially because they'd be ninjas with Mythos magic. Heck, they could even be part-Tcho-tcho. Some sources claim that the mountain people of Japan, who disappeared some time ago, became the ninja clans. And of course, they were smaller than the Japanese of the lower lands. Or maybe ninjas just developed in imitation of Tcho-tcho fighting practices. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:01:59 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: Re: What happened to NASA? From: Jay W. Dugger > Richard Hoagland spoke last night on Art Bell's radio show. RH > claims fame for advocating the existence of alien artifacts in our solar > system. Some of you might know him as "the Face on Mars guy." RH claimed > losing Mars Climate Observer happened on purpose. Some clique within NASA > purposely botched the mission to prevent MCO from revealing evidence of > extra-terrestrial life on Mars. Well, now that we have an official reason, it's hard to decide if the above explanation is more or less likely. I mean, would anyone willingly admit to getting miles and kilometers mixed up if it wasn't true? HOW DUMB ARE THESE GUYS?! Reminds me of the old intelligence thread--even the most brilliant people can be amazingly stupid. In game terms, would this be rolling a 00 on Mathmatics skill--several times in a row? I think this is a pretty good argument for America to finally get its head straight and convert to metric. There's really no strong enough excuse not to do it--although there's lots of wimpy little excuses. I'm tempted to think it's a conspiracy... > This fits DG so nicely I could just cry. The clique within NASA > might be DG agents, DG friendlies, NSA/NRO (i.e., MJ-12) moles, Mi-Go > puppets, Yithian researchers, Yithian cultists, Shan stooges, and so on. > The factionalization might actually come from _two_ different groups > simultaneously conspiring within NASA. (Did you know Neil Armstrong > belongs to the Freemasons?) I don't suppose we need to bring up his little ritual before they left the capsule, do we? There's also a story that he said they were "warned off" by aliens from settling the Moon. The real reason the Moon program suddenly stopped. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 21:21:31 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Musings on the Emperor (was Re: Dark shadows) In a message dated 03/10/1999 3:38:51, daf@iwa.att.ne.jp writes: >Or maybe ninjas just >developed in imitation of Tcho-tcho fighting practices. ? They have fighting practices? Is this canon, or are you making it up? Mind you, I agree with you here, as without skill, they kinda become a joke (What, the little guys? They're no problem, mow 'em down like grass. Just don't get captured, 'cause I heard they eat ya). Of course, they do have magic... But who in their right mind would imitate a Tcho-tcho!?!? And who would hire someone who did? I think ninjas are homegrown. Maybe Mythos related, maybe not. Agent Xavier BTW, has ANDREA and/or MJ gotten to everyone? The List seems awfully quiet. Aaaauuuurrrrggggghhhhh!!! (maybe he was dictating) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:06:58 -0700 From: Joseph Camp Subject: Re: DG: Delta Green Eyes 1 >What was the final decision on the hardcover DG question? Softcover this time around. Pagan has a lot of books in the pipeline at the moment, and can't spare the resources it would take to do it in hardcover. A number of errors have been corrected, thanks to members of this list who responded to a request for same a while back. Nothing terribly important, but (for example) the German terminology has been fixed. be seeing you, Alphonse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:10:28 +0200 From: cd skogsberg Subject: Re: DG: Eso-terrorism Davide Mana wrote: > Greetings. [Satanists roaming Rome] > The charges are the usual - defacement of public and private > properties, rape, drug detention, pushing and abuse: the younger > ladies in the cult were apparently dosed with various substances > (anything-goes style - from extasy to LSD, and odd mixes thereof), > and then shared by males in the group. > Two things are of possible interest to DG > a - the group was limited to "unsuspectable" upper-middle class elements, > as the admission fee was somewhere in the 75K US$ area (yes, kids, > seventyfive kilobucks to join a satanic cult). Eek! That *is* a *lot* of money. > b - they were actually a subsidiary of a group based in Sweden. > [oho!] > The Swedish branch of the organization is rather more dangerous than the > now-defunct Italian counterpart - to the above mentioned crimes and > misdemeanors, the Swedish cultists compound arson (they usually set fire to > wooden churches), bombings of sites of religious importance and other such > terminal activities. I feel I must stand up for my country and say, "No, you want the guys to the west of us!" - i.e., them there Norwegians. I was actually going to post something about this in the music thread, since if there is any musical grouping that's mythos-y, it's the Scandinavian/ Northern European black/death/doom metal hordes. Have a gander at this URL: http://www.lut.fi/~mega/muzac/news/SpinArticle.html , and tell me that doesn't sound like people twisted by the mythos. There are also, if you look around at interviews with bands from this musical grouping, a strong undercurrent of the same kind of nationalistic ideas that pretty much saturated pre-Nazi Germany... (Some interviews can be found at http://kirahvi.joensuu.fi/lobotomy/music/ ) And yes, they aren't confined to Norway by any means, but it is there that they are the "wildest" - i.e., they have been caught a number of times. A few definitions and rules of thumb (going from my own, rather small, knowledge of the genre(s)): Black Metal: This is the "Satanist" music - very obsessed with demons, devils, etc. Lots of bands from Norway, for some reason. Death Metal: Nihilistic, "growly" vocals, heavy distortion, dissonant "melodies". This genre is slowing down atm. Doom Metal: "Gothic", death-obsessed, more melodic than the other two. As I have understood it, there are a number of Finnish acts that, if not dominate, then at least have made a great impression here. For a look at the philosophy etc. behind this, see http://www.anus.com/hsc/hcl/mfaq.html "Heavy Metal FAQ: Introduction to Metal Music and Culture" Be warned that this is a humongous page - 270 kb of text. There is, of course, a possible connection to another Swedish group (but that book's not out yet...). > So much so that law enforcement elements ciovering their activities have > coined the expression "Eso-terrorists" to describe the set up: militant, > violent and active members of esotheric groups, well equipped and ready to > act on short notice against ideologically significant targets. > Does the stuff ring some alarm bells out there? Yes. /cd - -- 'Why must I die for you?' 'Alive I can love you for but one day, dead I can love you forever' -- The 'duet macabre' from 'Massa Requiem Per Shuggay" by Bordighera ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:55:26 -0000 From: "Crossingham, Adam" Subject: DG: Re: Re: KGB Files Jimmie Bise, Jr writes: <<< One of the more tantalizing bits from this book, as far as I can see, is the presence of KGB "Green Boxes" all over the United States and several other countries. Apparently, KGB operatives secreted caches of weapons and communications equipment and other sundries all over the countryside for use if necessary. Here's the twist, most, if not all, of them are booby-trapped. >>> 'The Spying Game' TV series is currently being shown in the UK on BBC2 (and is co-funded by the History Channel so should show up on cable/satellite as well I guess), is based on the Mitrokhin archives. The second episode showed footage of some of these KGB caches in Belgium being opened. The caches seemed to contain radio sets, explosives and weapons, and some were buried quite a depth down - about 6 - 8 feet. The show said the caches were booby trapped, and they were shown being opened with attached ropes with the operators some distance from the cache. None detonated though... - -- Adam Crossingham E-mail: adam.crossingham@octavian1009.e-mail.com Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:04:07 -0000 From: "Crossingham, Adam" Subject: Re: Dark shadows (was: Re: DG: 1940s / Pope Pius XII) Jeff Ewing writes: <<< I know one here in the US (Park Service) and what do you think her job is? Surface surveys of known sites which will not be excavated until techniques improve significantly. >>> There is another side to this argument: a surface survey is considerably cheaper than a full blown excavation and still a lot cheaper than a small survey excavation. In many cases a survey using field walking, restivity, magnetronomy, or ground penetrating radar will be able to produce enough usable data for archaeologists to be able to date and interpret the site in the context of the region's archaeology and history. This is especially true when dealing with sites of a particular period, i.e. Roman or post medieval, etc, when site's layout or use may be more obvious. <<< The reasoning is that much important stuff has been lost (think Schliermann washing Trojan pots so they'd look nice in the Reichsmuseum) due to bad technique, so some stuff should stay in the ground for now. At least, that's the story. . . >>> Yep, that basically it. Or rather Schliemann blowing up with dynamite what he was looking for as it didn't look like what he was expecting. The other thing about archaeology is that although it prefers now to be regarded as a science, it is the only science in which the experiment (the excavation) cannot be repeated, therefore technique is very important - but so is recording and interpretation. Modern archaeological theory is now conservationist in outlook: the basic premise being that our heritage is also our descendants inheritance. Archaeological technique has clearly advanced this century and it can be assumed that it will continue to do so. Also 150 years of archaeology has produced a lot of material, most of which has not been studied at all, and what has, may not have been re-examined to modern levels of scrutiny, so a conducive argument could be made that further excavation is unnecessary. If this theory is strictly adhered to then only rescue digs (that is, excavations undertaken because of imminent natural or man-made destruction), and re-excavation of previously excavated sites are acceptable. However excavations do continue because 1) they're sexy and fun if you're an archaeologist, and that's what archaeologists do; 2) if you write the right proposal you can get funding, and that's what archaeologists do; and 3) theories and history can be formulated or rewritten by what is discovered in the field, and that's what archaeologists do. Archaeological remains and data are only a subset of what is actually buried, which in turn are only a subset of what has survived, which in turn is only a portion of what existed in the first place. Any theory or history is dependent on this relationship, and therefore subject to change when evidence appears to contrary. Then only professional mindset can a new paradigm from appearing. The recent posts on the DGML re widespread prehistoric cannibalism is a good example of this. The evidence has existed for decades that prehistoric cannibalism may have occurred, and experimental archaeology confirmed the findings, however until existing evidence was rigorously re-examined and additional evidence was discovered in context, has the idea became more acceptable. - -- Adam Crossingham E-mail: adam.crossingham@octavian1009.e-mail.com Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:20:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Pencis Subject: DG: Interesting Web Reference Site Here's a cool reference site: lots of references and information presented in shockwave/html form. As far as I can tell, its a 'show and tell' type site with projects for students and teachers to get together and present papers and projects. (here's the searchable reference library) http://library.advanced.org/library/index.html (here's the parent page with explanations) http://www.thinkquest.org/ OBDG: Not a whole lot, but its well done html, and the forensics page is interesting. http://www.thinkquest.org/library/17049.shtml Here's one on mythical creatures: note interesting discussion of Chupacabra and Windeego (multiple spellings) Chris ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 04 Oct 99 17:19:12 +0100 From: Peter Devlin Subject: DG: Musings on the Orient (was Dark Shadows) Reading Davide's post on Japanese secret-society history sparked a thought. Anyone on the list familiar with the Oriental airport-fiction novels of Marc Olden, particularly (IIRC) Giri and Gaijin? Full of exotic tradecraft, martial arts mayhem and nasty oriental organisations with WWII and special forces links. Kinda like Eric van Snoozebader but a bit more informed on the martial arts. I bet the Lizard King is familiar with early Olden. Anyways, they'd make excellent background and inspiration for starting a DG session involving the Orient. Just add some Mythos goodies. I'm off to search out those old paperbacks for fun. Cheers :-) --> :-0 Peter Devlin Bell, Book and Candle - http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/columns.html The South Side - http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/lovecraft/411/south/ Email - pdevlin@scotsys.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:06:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jay W. Dugger" Subject: Re: DG: Re: What happened to NASA? On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, David Farnell wrote: [snippage] > I think this is a pretty good argument for America to finally get its head > straight and convert to metric. There's really no strong enough excuse not > to do it--although there's lots of wimpy little excuses. I'm tempted to > think it's a conspiracy... Right on! Let's see, changing to metric would simultaneously improve American education and economic competitiveness. It makes sense, would help our schools, and make our products easier to sell abroad. [snippage2] > > I don't suppose we need to bring up his little ritual before they left the > capsule, do we? There's also a story that he said they were "warned off" by > aliens from settling the Moon. The real reason the Moon program suddenly > stopped. > Does anyone know about connections between Freemasonry and the Mormon church? - --------- Jay Dugger : Til Eulenspiegel til_e@hotmail.com : duggerj@reed.edu - --------- Joesph Smith was a Freemason. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:28:56 -0400 From: "McGloin, Michael" Subject: DG: RE: Musings on the Emperor (was Re: Dark shadows) David Farnell wrote: "State Shinto was a recent development in Shinto and really lasted only a short time, although it's still around as a shadow of its former hugeness." While State Shinto might have lasted only a short time, the movements which led to its formation and the ultra-nationalists who still follow its ideology have been around for over two hundred years of Japanese history. It is also a mistake to minimize the insidious effects of State Shinto. One need only look to the Co-prosperity Sphere and its plans to annex and repopulate Asia with Japanese are just as evil as the Nazi's and their "Living Room". The Japanese have nearly totally avoided a real reckoning for the crimes they committed during W.W.II. Now this we cannot blame on the Japanese, this was a choice made by the US government and implemented by MacAuthur. However the Japanese have not come undertaken very much self criticism for their deeds during W.W.II. Instead many Japanese seek to use the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as a shield to deflect criticism. As for Delta Green material, I think Asia is a hot bed of material for CoC. I have already seen some discussions of the Dark Ocean Society, The Black Dragon Society, the Yakuza, Unit 731,modern ultra-nationalists and Aum Shinrikyo. however it appears to me that we have overlooked perhaps the most foul conspiracy ever conceived, Pokemon !!! Now that's evil. I only hope that the efforts to exploit Asia I handled as well as earlier efforts to exploit the West. Michael McGloin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:28:29 -0400 From: "Dan Chapman" Subject: Re: DG: Re: What happened to NASA? - -----Original Message----- From: Jay W. Dugger To: Delta Green List Date: Monday, October 04, 1999 1:14 PM Subject: Re: DG: Re: What happened to NASA? >On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, David Farnell wrote: > > Does anyone know about connections between Freemasonry and the >Mormon church? > >--------- >Jay Dugger : Til Eulenspiegel >til_e@hotmail.com : duggerj@reed.edu >--------- >Joesph Smith was a Freemason. Connections? I thought they were the same thing! ;-) - ----------------------------------- Dan Chapman Network Analyst dchapman@myself.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:27:11 -0400 From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: DG: Shans & 'The Thing On The Doorstep' (Very, Very Minor COUNTDOWN Spoilers) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF0E7C.EDD8B880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't recall if this question was brought up in any of our previous = discussions on Shans or not, but could a Shan jump bodies like a = Traveler through use of the mind transfer spell in 'The Thing On The = Doorstep'? The Shans are a quasi-physical race, true, and therefore = shouldn't transfer with the mental capacity of the brain, however the = Shan information in COUNTDOWN states that once in possession of a mind, = the Insects lose their physical status and in essence become one with = the mind. Interesting food for thought, and I can conceivably see the = Army Of The Third Eye going around trepanning people who aren't even = infected, as the Shan leaps from body to body. Further COUNTDOWN-based discussions withheld until I find out whether = the moratorium still stands. Andrew D. Gable agable@falcon.lhup.edu The CryptoWeb (back up!): http://come.to/the_cryptoweb/ Delta Green/Equinox: http://www.fortunecity.com/arkham/roswell/80/ "'Reality' is the only word in the language that should always be used = in quotes." My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, "Nervous Xians" - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF0E7C.EDD8B880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't recall if this question was = brought up=20 in any of our previous discussions on Shans or not, but could a Shan = jump bodies=20 like a Traveler through use of the mind transfer spell in 'The Thing On = The=20 Doorstep'? The Shans are a quasi-physical race, true, and therefore = shouldn't=20 transfer with the mental capacity of the brain, however the Shan = information in=20 COUNTDOWN states that once in possession of a mind, the Insects lose = their=20 physical status and in essence become one with the mind. Interesting = food for=20 thought, and I can conceivably see the Army Of The Third Eye going = around=20 trepanning people who aren't even infected, as the Shan leaps from body = to=20 body.
 
Further COUNTDOWN-based discussions withheld until I = find out=20 whether the moratorium still stands.
 
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agable@falcon.lhup.edu
The = CryptoWeb=20 (back up!): http://come.to/the_cryptoweb/<= BR>Delta=20 Green/Equinox: http://www.fortune= city.com/arkham/roswell/80/
 
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF0E7C.EDD8B880-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:16:52 -0400 (EDT) From: The Man in Black Subject: Re: DG: Forties Sourcebook On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 PaganArt@aol.com wrote: > The Black Ocean Society, mentioned in Countdown, will be detailed in ODH > along with Unit 831. ^^^^ ^^^ I presume this is not a typo and refers to a unit "above" our favorite Japs in Unit 731. > Kn'Yan, most likely no. Deros, no way. Nazi Flying discs, nope, but other > Nazi tech, maybe. ARRRGH~! No Flying Saucers?! If Nazi Tech (read: Karotechia) doesn't come out in ODH, then we need it for Emerald Hammer (it broke my brain, sorry) failing that, it needs to come out in the defunct TUO. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Code Z: 233,1,42; 140,39,23; 91,3,7; 5,52,3. http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V2 #89 *******************************