From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V2 #96 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Sunday, October 10 1999 Volume 02 : Number 096 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 01:13:38 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: New DG Keeper seeks advice Greetings. Welcome in DGML, Steven. We'll get you a desk as soon as the guy's widow comes to collect.... ehm, forget about it. >Any other advice for a new DG ref would be appreciated. Since nobody apparently mentioned it.... My standing advice is - Check the Ice Cave. [the URL's in my sig bit] There's stuff covering at least part of what you asked in the CO Utilities and Gun Digest sections. Feel free to take a look around. Take care. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:03:30 -0500 (CDT) From: MSubias@ix.netcom.com Subject: DG: New DG Keeper seeks advice Steven J. Cook said... Being a Brit and living in a virtually firearm free environment (excluding military, police, criminals, oh! and farmers) I have some questions regarding Federal agents and firearms. An Agents is issued with a firearm say a colt 380, is there anything to stop said Agent from purchasing (privately) a superior firearm and using it in their duties or would that be frowned upon? And how freely available are firearms and ammunition in the US ? and what licencing restraints are there? eg if a foreign national was visiting say NY or Washington DC how easy would it be to get a firearm legally? I assume that there is a good black market that with good contacts a visitor could get a firearm quickly enough if he knew who to ask? Any other advice for a new DG ref would be appreciated. Many thanks, - - -- Steven J. Cook I believe that others have given you some innaccurate information. I know a couple of FBI agents and other LEOs, and am under the distinct impression that you can buy a better pistol at your own personal cost for use on duty. I'm sure that there is some paperwork to go through for this - -- perhaps also involving registering the pistol's serial number, ballistics and other relevant info. Of course, a really superior pistol can cost several hundered dollars, so many LEOs don't bother. Most ammo, with the exception of more exotic stuff like kevlar-piercing stuff, can be purchased widely, easily, and, I believe, without showing ID. Gun shops, ruralish sporting goods stores, and some more general sorts of stores (such as K-mart which may still carry ammo) also carry it, depending on the region and degree to which the local culture is firearms friendly. Firearms ownership laws vary very widely in the U.S. In such crime free (ironic wink) cities as New York and Washington DC firearms are illegal, and it is virtually impossible for anyone but a cop or someone with powerful political connections to get legal permission to own a gun. In most states firearm ownership is legal (exceptions to come), and in nearly half non-felons can get a concealed carry permit pretty easily (and such states have seen drops in violent crime after laws allowing the legal carry of concealed carry have been enacted). For example, carjacking used to be common in Florida. Shortly after it became easy for the average Floridian to carry a concealed weapon, for some mysterious reason these predators stopped threatening drivers. No rise in shootings over traffic disputes occured. Interviews with convicts have demonstrated that firearm ownership is a deterrent to becoming a victim. Criminals don't like the possibility that their potential victim may be able to kill them. Note - I do not own a firearm, nor am I member of the NRA, nor do I make a living off of the gun trade. Illegal and legal guns: basically, if it is capable of full automatic fire, like a machine gun or assault rifle, it can not be purchased by the general public, but only by LE and military _organizations_. There are some auto weapons legally owned by civilians, but this is due to their having been purchased before anti-auto laws passed (once, Sears sold Thomson submachine guns by mail). As I recall none of these legally-owned auto capable weapons has ever been used in a violent crime. Depending on the era, nature of the organization, and degree of paranoia, a keeper may deem that some cops carry unregistered pistols that they drop by dead suspected perps in order to be able to claim that they shot the target in self-defense. See the superb LA Confidential for an example of this. Hell, see it if you like great movies. It is an incredibly fine film. As for foreign purchasers, I have no idea how easy it would be to get a gun. Criminals have no problem getting guns, and if you are streetwise and have the bucks, you can get one. Where guns are illegal, criminals can still aquire, just as they can get illegal narcotics. As I said, even law abiding Americans can't buy guns in Washington DC and NY city, though as I also said, criminals can do so. Marco ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 05:54:14 0000 From: "Olly Stanford" Subject: DG: Ideas for "Night Floors"? *SPOILERS!!!* Hullo the List, my name's Olly (though by all means call me "Bob the Ineffable" if it will help you to relax) and I like DG, especially the crunchy bits. The last time I subscribed to the list everyone was having fun discussing the logistics of tying human intestines into balloon animals, so excuse me if I'm not up to speed on the latest developments. Anyway, I have a question about the "Night Floors" scenario in COUNTDOWN... ***SPOILERS*** ***SPOILERS*** ***SPOILERS*** ...gosh, it's a good'un. I'm planning on running it for some old friends in a fortnight's time, and I was wondering if anyone on the list had any comments, additions, modifications, or other ideas for this scenario. (The only real problem I have with this adventure is that I can't see the point of Handout #1 - if Abby has "moved upstairs" and is lost in the Night Floors, why does this receipt suggest she's been staying in the basement??? And what's with the 'Teese' logo??? This supposed to be a tenuous link with Club Apoc. / the Fate???) I've already had a couple of ideas for additional surreal encounters / NPCs which I'll post as soon as I get them down on paper. Anyone else got any of their own to contribute? Thanks! fnord Olly - --- The moving finger writes, and having writ, Moves on; nor all thy piety or wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a line, Nor all thy tears wash out a word of it. - The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam __________________________________________________________________ Get your own free England E-mail address at http://www.england.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:01:38 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: Re: DG: Wasted bandwidth From: Phil A Posehn > April 30, Camerone Day, is the big holiday of the French Foreign Legion > which celebrates the time that one of their units held out to the last > man against overwhelming odds in Mexico. > It seems appropriate for DG Agreed. Especially considering the ghoulish trophy the FFL keeps from that battle. Dave ps: Got my copy of Countdown yesterday. Whoo-hoo! That's one less person you need to do Spoilers for (but there are others, so follow the rules, boys and girls). I'll take weeks to read this huge sucker, as I don't want to take it to work with me (I'm worried I might give my non-gaming Jewish coworker the wrong idea). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:55:39 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: Re: Slight Return ("Night Floors" *SPOILERS!!!*) From: Olly "here's another fine mess" Stanford The last time I subscribed to the list everyone was having fun discussing the >logistics of tying human intestines into balloon animals, Ahh, those were the days... Welcome back, Olly. Dave, the Balloon Animal King ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 04:53:35 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Slight Return ("Night Floors" *SPOILERS!!!*) In a message dated 10/8/99 11:21:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, daf@iwa.att.ne.jp writes: << Ahh, those were the days... Welcome back, Olly. Dave, the Balloon Animal King >> Sorry Dave, but you will forevermore be the Willy-Splitter. You surpassed those halcyon days of viscera-twisting speculations when you added to the Tcho-Tcho mystique. Which leads to these two observations: Some T-T males can write their names in the snow with no hands (!) and we all know what balloons sound like when you twist them into animals; what do inflated body parts sound like? Pleasant dreams. Mark McFadden Apparently doing the Hill Martian Humpty Dance in a parallel universe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:41 +0100 (BST) From: tsiolkovsky@coherent-light.cix.co.uk (Rik Kershaw-Moore) Subject: DG: Bookwatch. . . While reading The Plague Jar by Allen Mackey I came across the following throw away line that set me to thinking: "With a great deal of trouble I received photostats of the relevant portions of the Al-Azif. The Librarian at Harvard's Widener Library had to call the FBI to inform them that I merely inquired about the book! 'Just Standard Procedure' she assure me." So the FBI operate a watch list of those who request access to Elder Lore. I wonder which organisation really set that up, and what's the odds that it is either run by a Delta Green Friendly / Agent or is freely available to those inside the FBI, DG Friendlies or otherwise. Of course the downside is that the guys at MJ-12 probably have the same access. The possibilities for good and bad are of course endless. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:41 +0100 (BST) From: tsiolkovsky@coherent-light.cix.co.uk (Rik Kershaw-Moore) Subject: Re: DG: The Mysterious Planet X Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 01:32:36 PDT From: "Stabernide -" >Supporters of Planet X have since come up with the theory that it has an >extremely unconventional orbit to the other planets- thus evading >detection by astronomers/pioneer; but no one really seems to be buying >that. Wasn't Pioneer 10 deflected by this object? Also wasn't this idea once known as the Nemesis Hypothesis? I seem to recall reading about an object nicknamed Nemesis out past the orbit of Pluto that was thought to cause occasional massive disruption to the objects within the Oort cloud causing them to 'fall' into the solar system eventually leading to catastrophic planetary impacts. Or I am getting confused again? Whatever it is, I can see it being one of two planets - Yuggoth, said to be beyond Pluto yet perpendicular to the orbital plane or Tond which was flung from it's orbit around foul Baalbo. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:12:50 +0200 From: "Andreas" Subject: DG: Night Floors -- Hastur Mythos -- book and movie suggestions A long time lurker has something to say (at least he thinks so ;->). Minor spoilers ahead: s p o i l e r s Before I read Night Floors I saw the movie Blue Velvet. It just hit me in the face: the movies of David Lynch seem to be a perfect inspiration for the Hastur Myhtos. Especially Blue Velvet is a good example how situations and persons can be surreal and weird (even without being supernatural). I think in every David Lynch movie are situations that could be included in a scenario. Just one scene from Lost Highway that stuck in my head: there was a small man with big ears that came to the protagonist (it was at a party from a friend of his wife). The small man said something like "Hi, I am staying at your home right now. [handing over a cell phone:] You can call me." After the man dialed the number of his own home someone with the voice of the small man answers the phone: "I told you I would be here. And now please give the phone back to me." Another source of inspiration are the stories of Thomas Ligotti. They are truely weird. I would suggest to read something of him just before playing to get in the right mood. Or one of his stories could be something an artist under the influence of the King in Yellow created (in Ligottis anthology Noctuary are about twenty very short stories -- 1 to 5 pages -- that would be ideal as handouts). And there is a "meta scenario" on the home page of John Tynes (I guess most of you already know). It is called Instrument of Precision. I will include it into my game as soon as I get to the Hastur Mythos. "Bob the Ineffable" asked for weird encounters in the house: I guess I would include some of the telephone stuff that is used in Lost Highway (i.e. the scene I described above) or Instrument of Precision (a telephone plays an important role in the scenario). Probably, the characters will find a telephone in Abigail's room or in the Night Floors. They could be called by someone who cannot possibly call. (e.g. the character who answers the phone sees that it is broken. He can listen to the caller but he cannot answer. He hears his own voice telling something that suggests a hidden secret.) Andreas (I appologize for my last mail. I did not want to send it to the list. Unfortunately, I hit the reply button without rechecking the address.) - ----------------------------------- "And we are always dreaming of the day when all the fires of summer are defunct, when everyone like a shrivelled leaf sinks into the cooling ground of a sunless earth, and when even the colors of autumn have withered for the last time, dissolving into the desolate whiteness of an eternal winter." - -- Thomas Ligotti, Autumnal - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 08:49:18 -0700 From: Gil Trevizo Subject: Re: DG: Bookwatch. . . At 11:41 AM 10/9/99 +0100, you wrote: >So the FBI operate a watch list of those who request access to Elder Lore. >I wonder which organisation really set that up, and what's the odds that >it is either run by a Delta Green Friendly / Agent or is freely available >to those inside the FBI, DG Friendlies or otherwise. Of course the >downside is that the guys at MJ-12 probably have the same access. In the movie Seven, the cops are able to find the killer by tracking down those who had checked out certain combinations of books (Dante, Milton, etc.) through a watch list maintained by the FBI. I can imagine something like this being created during the good ol' COINTELPRO days to keep an eye on those library users who fit a certain profile (Seven had the list's purpose for tracking those matching a serial killer's reading habits - Catcher in the Rye and all that). So such a watch list needn't be Mythos-specific and could just be one of those many tools created by the Cold War but found useful to Delta Green (and MJ-12) for controlling their ongoing conspiracies. Gil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 12:32:16 -0400 From: Jeff Ewing Subject: Re: DG: Bookwatch. . . Interesting, and a very good take, but to my mind the example is pure Delta Green. An agent claiming to represent the FBI goes to Harvard and presents them with a plausible story like the one in Seven. S/he may even actually work for the FBI but if the Widener librarian could somehow check, they'd find that there is no such serial killer watch. This is the essence of a "Friendly" as described in the book. Jeff Gil Trevizo wrote: > In the movie Seven, the cops are able to find the killer by tracking down > those who had checked out certain combinations of books (Dante, Milton, > etc.) through a watch list maintained by the FBI. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:39:49 -0400 From: Steven Kaye Subject: Re: DG: Bookwatch. . . At 11:41 AM +0100 10/9/99, Rik Kershaw-Moore wrote: > >So the FBI operate a watch list of those who request access to Elder Lore. >I wonder which organisation really set that up, and what's the odds that >it is either run by a Delta Green Friendly / Agent or is freely available >to those inside the FBI, DG Friendlies or otherwise. Of course the >downside is that the guys at MJ-12 probably have the same access. The FBI tried to get science librarians to report on what foreigners and people "behaving strangely" were reading in 1986, and were widely condemned for it. See http://www.aps.org/WN/WN89/wn111089.html and http://info.greenwood.com/books/0313267/0313267154.html, among other sources. Technically, such a watch list would be illegal, not that that's stopped anyone. I'd be inclined to think the watch list would have been instituted either after the Dunwich Horror, or after the Allies became aware of Nazi interest in occultism (so either around 1928 in the first instance, or around 1940 in the second). I'd suspect either an independent set-up or Delta Green involvement, as MJ-12 seems to stick away from the occult stuff by and large. You also might want to check out a past thread in the Ice Cave on the topic, I believe it was part of a discussion on Miskatonic University. Steven - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Steven Kaye box_nine@ix.NOSPAM.netcom.com "In short, we did all we could to stimulate an official discovery of the ghastly wreck, without making reference to incredible manifestations, or to humane but illegal acts of euthanasia." -- Michael Shea, The Colour Out of Time ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:27:19 +0200 (CEST) From: alex@bofh.torun.pl (Janusz A. Urbanowicz) Subject: Re: DG: the OSS, WWII and DG > On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 DHammann@aol.com wrote: > > > Since the O.S.S. (and before that, small private groups used by FDR to > > gather information) used mostly civilians, > > I assume you plan to cover Pinkerton? > > > Ahnenerbe will treated as a research group full of German CoC > > investigators now working for the Third Reich. > > YES~! I finally get to wear my SS uniform and kick ass in jackboots! BYE! > Gotta go dye my hair blond and get a pair of blue contacts... > > What a nasty character concept, the Jew who joined the SS. But it almost happened in reality (with the approximation of formation). There was Jewish teen who was overrun by invading Russians and passed himself as Russian, then joined their system, became a 'pioneer' (Soviet Union equivalent of Boy Scouts), then, somehow found himself across the front line, in German territory (this all happened in occupied Poland which was split between Russians and Germans). There he 'became a German', he joined Hitlerjugend and so on. Agnieszka Holland, a Polish director who works in the US has made a film about it, it is called 'Europe, Europe'. Watch if for the details. On the premiere of the movie in Poland there was the man whose story the movie is based on, he is 70something now. Alex - -- * | Janusz A. "Alex" Urbanowicz, \ Home: --+~| | http://eris.phys.uni.torun.pl/~alex/ \ Work: `_|/ | \____ RSA: 512/0xAB425659 | | "They don't call it the 'Net of a Million Lies' for nothing." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:41:26 -0400 From: "John Addis" Subject: Re: DG: New DG Keeper seeks advice >And how freely available are firearms and ammunition in the US ? and >what licencing restraints are there? eg if a foreign national was >visiting say NY or Washington DC how easy would it be to get a firearm >legally? Just one small point of fact: it is NOT possible for a civilian to obtain a firearm legally in the District of Columbia. Nor is the average Joe permitted to even CARRY a firearm in our nation's capitol. If you happen to be caught transporting a firearm in the District it will be confiscated and destroyed. Police and certain govt. agencies are obviously exempt from such restrictions. - --john ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 21:42:52 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: the OSS, WWII and DG Janusz A. Urbanowicz schrieb: > But it almost happened in reality (with the approximation of formation). > There was Jewish teen who was overrun by invading Russians and passed > himself as Russian, then joined their system, became a 'pioneer' > (Soviet Union equivalent of Boy Scouts), then, somehow found himself across > the front line, in German territory (this all happened in occupied Poland > which was split between Russians and Germans). There he 'became a German', > he joined Hitlerjugend and so on. > > Agnieszka Holland, a Polish director who works in the US has made a film > about it, it is called 'Europe, Europe'. Watch if for the details. On the > premiere of the movie in Poland there was the man whose story the movie is > based on, he is 70something now. Sorry to say so, but in my opinion the film totally and utterly sucks. It's just another sad example for "Well meant but not well done". Though this true story definitely is interesting an exciting, the film is a failure. It's because the film tries hard to be art and forgets to tell its story. ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:08:38 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: DG: A Bridge too far / Operation Market Garden Good Evening I was just watching "A Bridge too far" with a couple of friends who who kept on trying to convince me to relaunch my CoC/DG campaign in WWII. The discussion lead to the result that Operation Market Garden might probably have been a huge DG [ or DG friendly ] operation to get rid of some Karotechia activity in and around Arnheim. This sounded pretty interesting to me and I plan to write a scenario or short campaign about "Market Garden". I would welcome any ideas concerning this topic. ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:08:37 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: DG: Neuschwabenland Good Evening. I just found this site about the German activities in the Antarctic during WWII: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Bunker/3351/campaigns/antact.html It might be of interest. BTW: Thinking of the Antarctic: I just got my copy of "Beyond the Mountains of Madness" and I am still pretty fascinated by the sheer mass of text and information [though I have not read it completely...yet ] ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:18 +0100 (BST) From: tsiolkovsky@coherent-light.cix.co.uk (Rik Kershaw-Moore) Subject: Re: DG: Bookwatch. . . > Technically, such a watch list would be illegal, not that that's > stopped anyone. We are talking fiction here so anything is possible. > I'd be inclined to think the watch list would have been instituted > either after the Dunwich Horror Yes I can see where you'd get that idea from. My first thought was possibly after the raid on Innsmouth, and J. Edgar Hoover not wanting to loose out to the boys from the treasury department. Actually where that dear old cross dresser was concerned there wouldn't have to be a significant event would there? He liked to keep his beady eye on just about everyone. > I'd suspect either an independent set-up or Delta Green involvement, > as MJ-12 seems to stick away from the occult stuff by and large. Think about it this way as keeping an eye on those subversive pink weirdos and that is your brief to let MJ-12 keep a weather eye on what the opposition is doing. > You also might want to check out a past thread in the Ice Cave on the > topic, I believe it was part of a discussion on Miskatonic University. I get chilblains real easy. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:33:37 +0200 From: Davide Mana Subject: Re: DG: The Mysterious Planet X Greetings. Rik wrote >Also wasn't this idea once known as the Nemesis Hypothesis? I seem to >recall reading about an object nicknamed Nemesis out past the orbit of >Pluto that was thought to cause occasional massive disruption to the >objects within the Oort cloud causing them to 'fall' into the solar system >eventually leading to catastrophic planetary impacts. Or I am getting >confused again? You are not. The Nemesis Hyp. was dreamed up as a possible explanation for the fact that mass extinctions seem to mark the Earth's history at regular intervals (first observed by Dave Raup and collaborators, and published as the Raup-Sepowski Theory). If you add this observation with the Alvares Hypothesis that sees in cometary (or asteroidal) impact the cause of the KT boundary extinction (the event that killed off the Dinosaurs, the Ammonites and a few other critters), and by extension a possible cause for other mass extinctions, the conclusion is - large bodies fall towards the inner Solar System at regular intervals. How comes? Enter Planet Nemesis, that passes once every 26 M.y. in the vicinities of the solar system, sweeping with its gravitational field the Oort cloud and diverting this way a salvo of comets. Nice theory. Where's the planet? A scientisc called Rich Muller (IIRC) has been hunting it for the last decade or so, so far without any luck. And yet.... Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@iol.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 19:53:47 -0400 From: "Conform" Subject: DG: Fresh meat Hi, I'm a newcomer to the list. I've always been somewhat averse to lurking, so I thought I'd introduce myself. I'm 22, I'm a freelance writer, and I recently moved to the DC area to co-found an internet startup. My free time is pretty much booked through the new year, but I'm planning to run a campaign loosely based around Delta Green starting in January. In the meantime I'm covering all my bases -- I want to make this bleed authenticity, so I plan to visit many of the public faces of the agencies, pick up the complimentary literature, do some research, etc. I'm not sure if there's any call for it, but if so, I'm more than willing to post any information I find to either my personal webpage or a centralized Delta Green resource page, if any exist. I don't know if many of these agencies will let me take pictures, but if I can I'll scan 'em and put them up on my webpage. Best, -Zach ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 16:51:24 PDT From: "REFLECTING SKIN" Subject: Re: DG: Skills: Credit rating and Bureaucracy I'm not sure that this is in topic or not, but I've added a few skills and replaced a few for my DG campaign. Credit Rating as it is described in the book (and since it has no effect on your starting cash) would probably be better called: CREDIBILITY - Your reputation as a competant member of your field, or a respectable member of society. I have also added an additional "Occult" like skill for the modern era: CONSPIRACY THEORY, like occult has no bearing on what is ACTUALLY going on, but represents the players knowledge of modern conspiracy theories, subculture, etc. Great for Mcguffins... and I have broken the CTHULHU MYTHOS skill into just Mythos :________ (i.e. Mythos : Skoptsi 1%) in order to seperate what is a vast and unconnected cycle of things into little nasty bits for the players. SAN MAX is modified by the Highest Mythos Skill level and by the Second Highest Mythos Skill level. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 21:57:58 -0400 From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: DG: Re: A Bridge too far / Operation Market Garden The discussion lead to the result that Operation Market Garden might probably have been a huge DG [ or DG friendly ] operation to get rid of some Karotechia activity in and around Arnheim. Forgive my ignorance when it comes to this topic, but what is MARKET GARDEN? I don't rcall ever having heard of this before. Andrew D. Gable agable@falcon.lhup.edu The CryptoWeb (back up!): http://come.to/the_cryptoweb/ Delta Green/Equinox: http://www.fortunecity.com/arkham/roswell/80/ "'Reality' is the only word in the language that should always be used in quotes." My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, "Nervous Xians" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:46:17 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: tiny Countdown errata Hey, gang. Just a little thing that the wife noticed in Countdown last night. As it spoils nothing which Alphonse hasn't already mentioned, I offer no spoilerspace. On p. 18, second column, line 5, the origin of the word "Genyosha" is said to "come from _Genaki nada_, the Black Ocean or strait which separates Japan's southernmost island, Kyushu, from the Korean peninsula." That should be _Genkai nada_--the k and a are transposed. A tiny mistake, could happen to anyone, but big effect on pronunciation. Be seeing you, Dave (who lives less than a kilometer from the Genkai nada) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 02:27:00 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: A Bridge too far / Operation Market Garden In a message dated 10/9/99 3:10:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, EHuelshoff@t-online.de writes: << I was just watching "A Bridge too far" with a couple of friends who who kept on trying to convince me to relaunch my CoC/DG campaign in WWII. The discussion lead to the result that Operation Market Garden might probably have been a huge DG [ or DG friendly ] operation to get rid of some Karotechia activity in and around Arnheim. This sounded pretty interesting to me and I plan to write a scenario or short campaign about "Market Garden". I would welcome any ideas concerning this topic. >> Well, there were certainly some fine booboos in that op. RW, they were probably based on trying to do logistics on an unprecedented scale when the top drawer people at doing that were busy prepping for D-Day. But that could be the cover story for a bunch of casualties that wouldn't bear much scrutiny. Cornelius Ryan's book is full of details and timelines, naturally. There are some great tales that didn't make the movie. The Charge of the Light Brigade Dunkirk Market Garden Jeez, don't those guys ever celebrate any victories? Mark McFadden ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:43:45 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Re: A Bridge too far / Operation Market Garden Andrew D. Gable schrieb: > > The discussion lead > to the result that Operation Market Garden might probably have been a huge > DG > [ or DG friendly ] operation to get rid of some Karotechia activity in and > around > Arnheim. > > Forgive my ignorance when it comes to this topic, but what is MARKET GARDEN? > I don't rcall ever having heard of this before. > Huge airborne Operation to secure a bridge over the Rhine in Arnheim / Netherlands. Try: http://www2.crosswinds.net/~marketgarden/ ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:26:32 -0400 From: graemep@immagene.mcg.edu (Graeme Price) Subject: Re: DG: Re: A Bridge too far / Operation Market Garden >Forgive my ignorance when it comes to this topic, but what is MARKET GARDEN? >I don't rcall ever having heard of this before. As Eckhard semi-explained, Market Garden was the code name of the British (although I think Polish troops were also involved) airborne operation in 1944 to capture a series of bridges over the Rhine. The theory being that if a bridgehead of intact crossings could be established behind German lines, then a rapid punch through the German lines by Allied troops could get enough ground troops through to relieve the airborne troops holding the bridges. This was supposed to shorten the war in Europe by several months and enable the "final push" into Germany itself. What actually transpired was somewhat different. The first phase went well enough. British Airborne troops (mostly Parachute regiment) were dropped or landed by glider near the bridges (at Arnhem, Nijmegen and one other IIRC) which were captured intact. Then things went wrong. Because it was behind German lines, the opposition was expected to be light... what Allied planners didn't know was that there was an SS panzer divison in the area. Secondly, because the airborne forces were expecting to be relieved reasonably quickly, they didn't have a lot of supplies (ammo, food, medical gear). When the German counter attack came, they were heavily outnumbered as German forces pulled back to deal with the Britsh incursion. Then the Allied forces at the front got bogged down in heavy fighting and weren't able to push through German lines. In the end, the Airborne forces holding the bridges took heavy casualties (despite holding onto the bridges intact for a couple of weeks in the face of heavy opposition, no relief and minimal resupply) and were forced to surrender, and the whole thing became yet another one of the glorious (read "stupid") chapters of British Military history. But of even more DG relevance would be a lesser known operation: the Dieppe raid of 1942, which was an equally suicidal attack by British Marines on the Port of Dieppe... more info on which others will doubtless be able to provide. Later Graeme ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:51:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jay W. Dugger" Subject: Re: DG: Neuschwabenland On Sun, 10 Oct 1999, Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: ECKHARD, If you find a good way to incorporate BtMoM into DG, please share it with the list. I've read BtMoM with an eye to doing this, but ran into a stumper: those Antarctic mountains are just too high. Lowering them weakens the story. > Good Evening. > > I just found this site about the German activities in the Antarctic during WWII: > > http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Bunker/3351/campaigns/antact.html > > It might be of interest. > > BTW: Thinking of the Antarctic: I just got my copy of "Beyond the Mountains of > Madness" and I am still pretty fascinated by the sheer mass of text and > information [though I have not read it completely...yet ] > > ECKHARD > - --------- Jay Dugger : Til Eulenspiegel til_e@hotmail.com : duggerj@reed.edu - --------- Sometimes the delete key is your best friend. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:56:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jay W. Dugger" Subject: DG: 21 Oct 99: Jam ECHELON Day Sunday, 10 October 1999 Hello all, I found this link on a proposed day to "jam" ECHELON by overloading it. (What's ECHELON? Check the ICE CAVE.) http://www.echelon.wiretapped.net/ Perhaps an appropriate action would simply appending all DGML traffic with fifty or so keywords from the list given at the site above. PP could re-post Fairfield's last work and the London Embassy shoot-out report. - --------- Jay Dugger : Til Eulenspiegel til_e@hotmail.com : duggerj@reed.edu - --------- 22 Oct 99: Men in Black come knocking at your door... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:12:59 +1300 From: Williamson Mark Subject: DG: Testing 1 2 3 test test test - please ignore What is it about human nature that menas on-one can ignore a message that says please ignore? This is test test test to find out if I am still subscribed to the list - 'cos I'm not getting any mail. - -Mark _____________ You can save up 25% on all your orders from the major online stores at: http://www.ebates.com/index.jhtml?referrer=lizark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:32:37 -0400 From: "Gregory A. Muir" Subject: Re: DG: Testing 1 2 3 test test test - please ignore Dunno. It's almost Cthulian, ain't it? :) Williamson Mark wrote: > > What is it about human nature that menas on-one can ignore a message that > says please ignore? > > This is test test test to find out if I am still subscribed to the list - > 'cos I'm not getting any mail. > > -Mark > _____________ > You can save up 25% on all your orders from the major online stores at: > http://www.ebates.com/index.jhtml?referrer=lizark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:36:01 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: A Spooky Speech Hmm... Any thoughts as to DG funerals? Normal, of course, but the cell likely shows, in black suits with green ties of course... Agent Xavier ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:38:16 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Double Shots In a message dated 10/6/99 8:56:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dragoob@wabash.edu writes: << Like a really good history professor, I guess. >> Does help it sound real, eh? Agent Xavier ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:53:17 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: holidays In a message dated 10/7/99 10:47:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, paposehn@juno.com writes: << April 30, Camerone Day >> Definetly. Here's how I see it: Innsmouth Day Reggie Day De-sanctioning Day (maybe 2 of these) 1st Unofficial Op Day Re-org Day (devoted to paperwork, of course) Camerone Day (incidentally, what's your source on this?) Roswell day Agent Xavier ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 23:11:47 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: New DG Keeper seeks advice In a message dated 10/8/99 4:56:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, steven@mechanus.demon.co.uk writes: << I am considering them having contacts with a DG friendly Secret Society similar to 'The Legacy' which also combats Mythos activity, any thoughts as to whether this sounds like a really good/dumb idea? >> A good IDEA, but DG as a whole can't know about it or I'd have effects (and be in books). As to agencies, it depends. FBI, CIA,DEA, INS, US marshals are all handy, but the INS is much handier if you have foriegn nationals in your campaigns, and so on. Agent Xavier. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 23:17:20 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: New DG Keeper seeks advice In a message dated 10/8/99 7:19:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, sivey@zealot.com writes: << Davide Mana has done a great job of fleshing out the Order of the Sword of Saint Jerome >> Can someone send me the URL? Agent Xavier ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 23:26:35 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Wasted bandwidth In a message dated 10/8/99 11:21:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, daf@iwa.att.ne.jp writes: << ghoulish >> Only if they eat cellulose. Agent Xavier ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:08:52 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: DG: Re: Fresh meat From: Conform > Hi, I'm a newcomer to the list. Welcome! (And welcome to anyone else whom I may have missed--things have been hectic at work lately, and will continue to be so until around Christmas.) Note to all newcomers: check the Ice Cave for, well, everything, but particularly for the list of Listmember intros in the form of CoC character sheets. Then feel free to describe yourself as a CoC NPC (realistically), so we can use you in our scenarios and kill you in horrible ways. It's fun! >In the > meantime I'm covering all my bases -- I want to make this bleed > authenticity, so I plan to visit many of the public faces of the agencies, > pick up the complimentary literature, do some research, etc. I'm sure Agent Christopher will let you know the details, but the DG site has lots of internet connections to all the gov't agencies. I'm sure we'd all love to see anything you can post--just don't run afoul of the law. Watch you back, Zach. Dave ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V2 #96 *******************************