From: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org (deltagreen-digest) To: deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Subject: deltagreen-digest V2 #99 Reply-To: Delta Green List Sender: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Errors-To: owner-deltagreen-digest@nocturne.org Precedence: bulk deltagreen-digest Thursday, October 14 1999 Volume 02 : Number 099 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:21:27 EDT From: LizardRoi@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Dieppe raid In a message dated 99-10-13 09:40:33 EDT, you write: << As a Canadian, I feel obliged to point out that the bulk of the forces sent in to Dieppe were Canadians. They were sent in against a fortified beach without proper air or naval bombardment and they died in droves on the beach. The Brits got one of the flanking landings and didn't face nearly so much opposition. >> Funny how the colonials seem to always get the major assault, innit? Can you say Gallipoli? (Sorry, I have two Aussie unks) ;-P Mark McFadden ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:12:11 -0400 From: "Davis, Gregory (Greenville)" Subject: DG: Archaeology of the FUTURE!!! (was RE:Dark Shadows...) >I've read that one site tending to support this view was paved over, but >that could just be Japan-bashing. Any skinny on this, Dave? I like the >idea of Government Archeologists. . .which reminds me, I know one here >in the US (Park Service) and what do you think her job is? Surface >surveys of known sites which will not be excavated until techniques >improve significantly. The reasoning is that much important stuff has >been lost (think Schliermann washing Trojan pots so they'd look nice in >the Reichsmuseum) due to bad technique, so some stuff should stay in the >ground for now. At least, that's the story. . . This is true, as a former site technician and ranger at Chaco Canyon, NM working for the USPS I can testify to the truth of this statement. I spent a whole summer measuring the surface area of Pueblo Benito to determine what the deterioration rate was due to human interaction with the ruins themselves. The choice to put a moratorium on actual excavation of sites while technology caught up was a very important thing to me. Archaeology is a finite science, once a site is excavated it's dead. Only X amount of data can be gather. With advances in sensing technologies such as MRI and ground based sonar future archaeologists will be able to determine the best and most effective method of excavation. The moratorium is until 2060 or so and I for one am proud of this fact. This is EXTREMELY important for sites like Chaco where only an estimated 4 to 10 percent of the ruins have been excavated. - -Gregory, misses the hell out of the NM desertlands... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:34:38 -0700 From: Jeff Ewing Subject: Re: DG: Archaeology of the FUTURE!!! (was RE:Dark Shadows...) At 03:12 PM 10/13/99 -0400, you wrote: > > >The reasoning is that much important stuff has > >been lost due to bad technique, so some stuff should stay in the > >ground for now. At least, that's the story. . . > >This is true, as a former site technician and ranger at Chaco Canyon, NM >working for the USPS I can testify to the truth of this statement. Very cool. You didn't know Summer McKean, did you? She was in S. NM and had an animus against the Anasazi, since the Amerinds she was studying were always cast as the stupid poor cousins of either the Anasazi or the Aztecs. >most effective method of excavation. The moratorium is until 2060 or so Hmmmmnnnn, possible End Times significance? "We'll excavate when the Stars Are Right, and not before!" Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:29 +0100 (BST) From: tsiolkovsky@coherent-light.cix.co.uk (Rik Kershaw-Moore) Subject: DG: Jersey Anyone doing anything with the Channel Islands. The only part of the UK taken by the Germans during WWII. Heavily fortified by the Germans and then starved out by the British. I can think of a few reasons for the heavy fortifications, and one may be to defend the Islands for the rampaging attacks of the English channel deep ones. The Underground hospital / ammo dump was a very interesting exhibition as were the gun emplacements and the huge observation towers. Sark was home to a number of PoW camps as was Guernsey, and the Organisation Todd were very heavily involved. It's all good stuff and I can't recommend highly enough a book called The German Occupation of the Channel Islands by Charles Cruickshank ISBN: 0-902550-02-0. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:29 +0100 (BST) From: tsiolkovsky@coherent-light.cix.co.uk (Rik Kershaw-Moore) Subject: Re: DG: Austria, Haider and Karotechia >Now that's an evil thought . . . Yahweh as an avatar of Yog-Sothoth and >the Kabalah a special way of calling forth favors. "Jewish Ritual >Magick: It's not just for melting Nazis anymore." Actually it could get worse. How about Jesus as an avatar of Nyarlathotep? Or alternatively the Spear of Longinus as the Avatar instead. After all did not Hitler himself write "The air became stifling so that I could barely breathe. The noisy scene of the Treasure House seemed to melt away before my eyes. I stood alone and trembling before the hovering form of the Superman - a Spirit sublime and fearful, a countenance intrepid and cruel. In holy awe, I offered y soul as a vessel of his will." (Hermann Rausching, Hilter Speaks 1951). Or as Nietzsche put it after walking away from the spear "that shudder which everybody feels after he has passed unconsciously through a tremendous danger." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:48:32 PDT From: "REFLECTING SKIN" Subject: DG: Ever Seen the List of Official ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:50:56 PDT From: "REFLECTING SKIN" Subject: DG: Ever Seen the List of KNOWN Jews inside the NAZI Party? I believe the www.disinfo.com archives has a document which basically lists several hundred people "pardoned" for their jewish blood by the Nazi party (Goerring? I believe made the famous "I decide who and who is not a jew." quote). Funny how practical the krauts could be in private. I mean you really would like to keep all your physicists out of the camps, it'd be a shame to lose them. PS. Hey Alphonse when will DG EYES ONLY #1 be available again? Oooh and whats the ETA on Project Rainbow. And whatever happened to that Cult of Trancendence Sourcebook, and what color socks does Stephen Alzis wear? Blah blah blah... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:54:43 PDT From: "REFLECTING SKIN" Subject: Re: DG: A Spooky Speech Touchy feely love fest funerals are for Goth Chicks and Dupes. Remember your dead comrade the best way possible. Burn those awful slimy bastards back whence they came from and toast your buddy at the local bar. Agent Lex ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:11:36 -0700 From: Phil A Posehn Subject: Re: DG: A Spooky Speech I prefer a pitcher of Guiness at the table when next the cell drinks with one glass empty in front of the vacant chair. Phil On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:54:43 PDT "REFLECTING SKIN" writes: >Touchy feely love fest funerals are for Goth Chicks and Dupes. >Remember >your dead comrade the best way possible. Burn those awful slimy >bastards >back whence they came from and toast your buddy at the local bar. > >Agent Lex > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:25:57 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Ever Seen the List of KNOWN Jews inside the NAZI Party? REFLECTING SKIN schrieb: > I believe the www.disinfo.com archives has a document which basically lists > several hundred people "pardoned" for their jewish blood by the Nazi party > (Goerring? I believe made the famous "I decide who and who is not a jew." > quote). > > Funny how practical the krauts could be in private. I mean you really would > like to keep all your physicists out of the camps, it'd be a shame to lose > them. > Yeah right, we're a practical bunch when in private. But seriously: IIRC it was Goebbels that made the famous quote. But anyway: This quote was not about the regular physicist, lawyer, actor, etc. but the REALLY important people of Jewish heritage. Using Nazi terms this could of course only include semi-jews, quarter-jews or less, the people that did not fit the racial or physiognomical [word?] aspects that the Nazis thought of as typical for Jews. One of those who were "Germanized" [ or "de-jewished" ] by the upper crust of the Nazi leaders was the owner of several factories in the region where I come [ I do not remember the name in the moment ]. His son became infamous a couple of years ago for selling equipment to the Libyans that they used for their chemical warfare facility at Rabta. ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:25:56 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: Austria, Haider and Karotechia Rik Kershaw-Moore schrieb: > >Now that's an evil thought . . . Yahweh as an avatar of Yog-Sothoth and > >the Kabalah a special way of calling forth favors. "Jewish Ritual > >Magick: It's not just for melting Nazis anymore." > > Actually it could get worse. How about Jesus as an avatar of > Nyarlathotep? That's an old classic, or as Davide [ among many others ] would say: Check the Ice Cave! ;-) I think it's been only a couple of months that this topic was raised. ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:05:33 +0100 From: "JT" Subject: Re: DG: A Bridge too far / Operation Market Garden - -----Original Message----- From: Eckhard Huelshoff To: deltagreen@nocturne.org Date: 12 October 1999 19:18 Subject: Re: DG: A Bridge too far / Operation Market Garden Personally, I've already run a largish pre-WWII campaign in Egypt which involved German archaeologists attempting to trigger an ancient artifact - standard Indy fayre, really... ;-} A while ago I was interviewing some WWII veterans for my newspaper, and one guy in particular told some quite harrowing stories about Dunkirk. I have an idea for a scenario set in France with the invasion just imminent and the PCs on the trail of a cultist with Something Which Must Not Fall Into Nazi Hands... a tome or other artifact. I think that when Mythos horror is set against the sort of horrific events in war-time it adds to the surreal aspect of it all. In the madness of a war, how would the mind shield itself from the horror of the Mythos? A guy I met in Albania had been a missionary in Africa - there infants had their skulls smashed in, entire villages had been hacked to pieces and left in piles, people systematically starved to death. Which is more frightening? The almost understandable motives of the Mythos, which is alien and abherrant to us, or the utlimate horror when mankind becomes the vehicle for such evil? Wow, waxing lyrical tonight. Have to lay off the orange juice... Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:12:16 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Earthquakes and the Mythos In a message dated 10/12/99 4:47:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, daf@iwa.att.ne.jp writes: << the whiskers and earthquakes connect carp, catfish, Asian dragons, and Cthonians. >> Catfish look a little like Big C. to me... And they live in the water, and Japan is an isolated (was, I should say) island chain... Agent Xavier ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:24:13 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Austria, Haider and Karotechia In a message dated 10/13/99 1:38:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, tsiolkovsky@coherent-light.cix.co.uk writes: << How about Jesus as an avatar of Nyarlathotep? >> Why don't you just amuse yoursself with the Ice Cave and one-handed scrolling. I think this one has been throughly explored Agent Xavier ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:26:07 EDT From: Appelion@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Ever Seen the List of KNOWN Jews inside the NAZI Party? In a message dated 10/13/99 1:53:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, reflectingskin@hotmail.com writes: << what color socks does Stephen Alzis wear? >> Green and purple striped ones Agent Xavier ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:50:17 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: Re: DG: Earthquakes and the Mythos From: Shoggoth > > But then, opposites attract, eh? I have several students who are also taking > > flamenco classes... > The worriying about that is that Japs outperforms native performers (sigh!) That incredible devotion to mastering a skill is the reason I'll never be able to keep up in aikido classes here--I just can't be that obsessive about it. (Oh, "obsessive" sounds negative--let's just say "devoted.") > Errr.. Sorry , it was a typo (or that evil shan in my head!!) I mean > _What the hell HAVE japs racial perceptions with the earthquakes_ :-) I thought it might be something like that. > Geee... Serendipility or something (sorry , i'm not native english ) No need to apologize. Most of the people I talk to daily are non-native speakers. And we won't even go into how horrible my Japanese is! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:54:40 -0400 From: Jeff Ewing Subject: Re: DG: A Bridge too far / Operation Market Garden JT, if you're going to try this out, let me suggest _The Hour of the Donkey_, by Anthony Price. It's about 2 relatively hapless Territorial officers, who by a cruel turn of fate get seperated from their unit and have to outwit the fast-moving panzer columns and get back to their unit. Lots of atmosphere. Also, of course, please share. It seems pretty clear that DGWW2 is of more than passing interest to the list. Jeff JT wrote: > A while ago I was interviewing some WWII veterans for my newspaper, and one > guy in particular told some quite harrowing stories about Dunkirk. I have an > idea for a scenario set in France with the invasion just imminent and the > PCs on the trail of a cultist with Something Which Must Not Fall Into Nazi > Hands... a tome or other artifact. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:55:11 +0900 From: "Noyes" Subject: RE: DG: Earthquakes and the Mythos >That incredible devotion to mastering a skill is the reason I'll never be >able to keep up in aikido classes here--I just can't be that obsessive about >it. (Oh, "obsessive" sounds negative--let's just say "devoted.") No, I think "obsessive" just about fits the bill. When my wife was studying to pass an English test about seven years ago, she had vocabularly lists laminated and stuck up inside the shower so she could study while she bathed. Similar lists were also posted all around the apartment, including three or four on the wall opposite the toilet. Jay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:24:11 -0500 From: "Matt Cowger" Subject: Re: DG: Ever Seen the List of KNOWN Jews inside the NAZI Party? > One of those who were "Germanized" [ or "de-jewished" ] by the upper crust of the > Nazi leaders was the owner of several factories in the region where I come [ I do > not remember the name in the moment ]. Knowledge never talks...money and power ALWAYS talk. your friends at Tenebrous Technologies, ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:43:13 +0900 From: "David Farnell" Subject: Re: DG: Earthquakes and the Mythos From: > Catfish look a little like Big C. to me... And they live in the water, and > Japan is an isolated (was, I should say) island chain... And Prime Minister "Hey, I LIKE cold pizza!" Obuchi has a touch of the Innsmouth Look... Dave dreaming of dogs in elk ribcages ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:58:12 EDT From: Del360@aol.com Subject: Re: DG: Earthquakes and the Mythos In a message dated 10/13/99 11:50:44 PM Central Daylight Time, daf@iwa.att.ne.jp writes: << From: > Catfish look a little like Big C. to me... And they live in the water, and > Japan is an isolated (was, I should say) island chain... And Prime Minister "Hey, I LIKE cold pizza!" Obuchi has a touch of the Innsmouth Look... Dave dreaming of dogs in elk ribcages >> Perhaps someone in Kobe upset the DO's apple cart around 1996 (or so)? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:24:09 EDT From: Del360@aol.com Subject: DG: Campaign Setting- Half Life Hello :) This is my first (or second) posting to the Delta Green mail list. Has anyone here ever played "Half-Life"? Assuming this hasn't been brought up in an earlier post, I believe it would make for an intriguing Delta Green campaign. Some of the story details of the game just identifies to me with the overall DG atmosphere: - -The Black Mesa Complex, a former Cold War nuclear missile base converted into a covert government research laboratory. - -The BMC is run by a secretive Administrator with an agenda that only he seems to know of. What is in that briefcase he carries, and why does he speak so sibilantly? (Perhaps a Serpent Man? Or an avatar of The Crawling Chaos?) - -Research into interdimensional travel that goes awry and dumps oodles of horrific beings from the other side. - -Headcrabs fit well into the macabre menagerie of the Mythos. - -Black Ops "Cleaner" squad sent in to eliminate *all* traces of the accident, including civilians working there. Thoughts on this? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:50:03 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Joseph Ellis Subject: Re: DG: Deltagreen reprint Aargh! Is DG out of print?. A friend recently said he had trouble getting a copy, but I just put it down to low store stocks. How will we survive without corrupting the young with new Delta Green sourcebooks. Tell me it isnt true. Steve. "In the long run we are all dead" -John Maynard Keynes On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 markw@paradise.net.nz wrote: > What's the ETA on the availabilty of the Delta Green sourcebook? > -Mark > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:17:00 +0200 From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) Subject: Re: DG: A Bridge too far / Operation Market Garden JT schrieb: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eckhard Huelshoff > To: deltagreen@nocturne.org > Date: 12 October 1999 19:18 > Subject: Re: DG: A Bridge too far / Operation Market Garden > > > Personally, I've already run a largish pre-WWII campaign in Egypt which > involved German archaeologists attempting to trigger an ancient artifact - > standard Indy fayre, really... ;-} Cool. I did a campaign that started during WWII in Northern Africa and the characters were part of Rommel's Afrikakorps. During the campaign they discovered that certain units go on missions to ancient ruins and monasteries. By further investigations [ for example by volunteering for such operations ] they discovered the secrets behind these missions. In the end they deserted the Wehrmacht, fled to the American Troops, were contacted by the OSS and finally were sent on some secret anti-Karotechia missions in Germany and occupied Europe. I really enjoyed to have scenarios set among the dramatic background of WWII. > > A while ago I was interviewing some WWII veterans for my newspaper, and one > guy in particular told some quite harrowing stories about Dunkirk. I have an > idea for a scenario set in France with the invasion just imminent and the > PCs on the trail of a cultist with Something Which Must Not Fall Into Nazi > Hands... a tome or other artifact. Sounds good, but I would try to avoid creating an "Indiana Jones"-Flair. Other possible WWII-settings could be: * London during the German Air Raids [ I already did that ] * Occupied Paris * Vichy France * Stalingrad ECKHARD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:54:34 GMT0BST From: Robert Thomas Subject: DG: Eyes in the Sky Hello all, I ran across an interesting news item on the BBC page today: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_472000/472735.st m A firm running a private spy satellite basically, the images from which will be available to the public from January 1st 2000. The resolution of the images is believed to be just below that of military satellites. Should make for an interesting scenario when the bad guys have or can obtain equivalent Sat imaging as our agents. BCNU Rob. p.s. in case anyone is wondering the new sig file is a sort of unofficial SAS poem well the first verse at least in reference to their attitude to what needs to be done to complete the mission they are assigned. And interestingly the Colonel in charge of the SAS is refered to as the Master informally in the regiment and they are informal in the SAS. We are the Pilgrims, master; we shall go Always a little further: it may be Beyond the last blue mountain barred with snow, Across that angry or that glimmering sea, White on a throne or guarded in a cave There lives a prophet who can understand Why men were born: but surely we are brave, Who make the Golden Journey to Samarkand. The Golden Journey to Samarkand: Epilogue James Elroy Flecker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:04:07 -0400 From: becole@juno.com Subject: Re: DG: Campaign Setting- Half Life On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:24:09 EDT Del360@aol.com writes: > Mention of new contributions and reference to a GREAT game snipped I'm not a cordial list member, so I can't officially welcome you..but, every friendly is a bullet saved...until retirement. For anyone who has been in a coma or for you sick puppies that only use your computers for work (yeah, right)...... Half-Life is a terrific game, but all the better when you sit back and look at the story. "The intensity of the game also reflects the strong storyline, created by award-winning horror novelist Marc Laidlaw. " I haven't read anything by Laidlaw, but he DEFINITELY likes the idea of unlikely heroes...and as mentioned, there is some strong odor of Mythos genre story elements in the game. I don't know if it would last as a campaign in the broadest sense, but it could easily form a half-dozen or so adventures that were tightly linked....and it could be used to trim those, er, more gung-ho players in your party. The following is from the web site (www.sierrastudios.com/games/half-life) "Deep in the bowels of the Black Mesa Federal Research Facility, a decommissioned missile base, a top secret project is underway. A portal has been opened to another dimension, and human science has never seen anything like the world on the other side. You are Gordon Freeman, a young research associate in the Anomalous Materials Laboratory. You have limited security clearance and no real idea of just how dangerous your job has become, until the morning you are sent alone into the Test Chamber to analyze of a strange crystalline specimen. A routine analysis, they tell you. Until something goes wrong." "Is it sabotage? An accident? Or is it something you did? All you hear is screaming; all you see is spacetime shattering. The next thing you know, the entire Black Mesa Facility is a nightmare zone, with sirens wailing and scientists fleeing in terror from the things their co-workers have become. "Hordes of creatures from the far side of the portal are pouring through rifts in the local fabric of reality. Monsters are everywhere. Madness rules. You head for the surface, but the usual routes are impassable-closed off by the disaster, infested with headcrabs and houndeyes and increasingly larger and hungrier creatures. "As Gordon Freeman, you must enlist the help of traumatized scientists and trigger-happy security guards to get through high-security zones, sneaking and fighting your way through ruined missile silos and Cold War cafeterias, through darkened airducts and subterranean railways. When you finally come in sight of the surface, you realize that the inhuman monsters aren't your only enemies-for the government has sent in ruthless troops and stealthy assassins. Their orders seem to be that when it comes to the Black Mesa, nothing gets out alive... and especially not you." Mr. subliminal says "Buy this game NOW!" Mr. Triggerhappy says " Who Dares, Wins." -B ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:07:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Val_Salvis@webtv.net Subject: DG: COUNTDOWN SPOILERS "Bringing out the Dead" Hey guys got my Copy of COUNTDOWN!! Woo Hoo! 432 pages of DOOM! I've been looking for a good way to bring in the Ratzi's, And The adventure in CD is a good place to start...Also like "bringing out the dead" with the Zombies... I've been thinking of getting a good theme movie to show the relatively Inexperienced CcC players and "Re-animator" springs to mind but if memory serves, the movie blew chunks!! Does anyone have another recommendations or refresh my memory with "Re-animator"? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:52:25 -0400 From: "Andrew D. Gable" Subject: DG: Desert Monsters [COUNTDOWN spoilers] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF163A.9561EBC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Slight COUNTDOWN spoilers ahead. I also can see that this message may = spawn yet another ghoul-related thread. And it'll be a pretty lengthy = message,so bear with me. I was intrigued by a mention on p. 178 of COUNTDOWN (in the "D Stacks" = chapter) of the Saharan creatures called Selaama (actually, Salaawa or = Silawa). These creatures are fairly commonly reported from Egypt, with = two sightings since 1996, and several before that in the 1960s. Let's = see, that's at least three little-known cryptozoological animals = mentioned in DG books, (Selaama, Ikal and Chemosit [both in DGEOV1]). = Somebody at Pagan knows their CZ. Anyhow, on with folkloric background: the name is usually translated as = either "female ghoul" or "she-wolf" (this sort of confusion between = nouns has happened before with Arabic names, previously between "dubb" = (bear) and "dubbah" (hyena). Interesting that "wolf" and "ghoul" are = similar words). According to a lengthy text file I received, the = critters supposedly lair in the Valley Of The Kings. Biologically, = there's theories that the Selaama are creatures normally native to Sudan = or further west, in the Libyan desert). Cryptozoologically, some speculate that the Selaama was the basis for = the god Set (nobody's figured out what he has the head of yet, and the = creature was evidently thought of as a real animal), who was a = cannibalistic god, or tie it to the legends of the Chemosit in Kenya. = Two were killed, at Armant (1996) and Qattamiya (1997). Now, on to the DG bits. COUNTDOWN states the Selaama was a sand dweller, = the Chemosit (see above) is probably a Mi-go, while habit-wise it sounds = like a plain old ghoul. Could the Fun Guys and ghouls be merged = folklorically as Chemosit (makes sense, since the Chemosit is a very = complex cryptid, with seemingly at least three species lumped together = under the name). I see at least the ghoulish version of Chemosit as a kind of African = wendigo. Occasionally, a man degenerates into cannibalism, eating brains = (one of the Chemosit's habits), probably contracting a kuru-type disease = (sound familiar yet?) and finally becoming a ghoul.=20 Now, here's my idea: the Chemosit-ghouls are the African equivalent of = Heretics (also in COUNTDOWN). However, there's a slightly different = Heretic expression among Africans, and instead of "normal" Heretic = ghouls, they become sand dwellers. Chemosit ranging north are called = Selaama, and hence the Selaama are sand dwellers, as stated. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ObDG Bits: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D (1) The British (PISCES) may have encountered either version of the = Chemosit during their time in Kenya. (2) The Selaama/Chemosit as Set: how to account for Apophis, the dragon = which accompanied Set (and which, coincidentally, was credited with = eating the dead)? Perhaps these Heretics' perversion of Mordiggian? (3) Do African-American Heretic ghouls express as sand dwellers, too? Andrew D. Gable agable@falcon.lhup.edu The CryptoWeb (back up!): http://come.to/the_cryptoweb/ Delta Green/Equinox: http://www.fortunecity.com/arkham/roswell/80/ "'Reality' is the only word in the language that should always be used = in quotes." My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, "Nervous Xians" - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF163A.9561EBC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Slight COUNTDOWN spoilers ahead. I = also can see=20 that this message may spawn yet another ghoul-related thread. And it'll = be a=20 pretty lengthy message,so bear with me.
 
I was intrigued by a mention on p. = 178 of=20 COUNTDOWN (in the "D Stacks" chapter) of the Saharan creatures = called=20 Selaama (actually, Salaawa or Silawa). These creatures are fairly = commonly=20 reported from Egypt, with two sightings since 1996, and several before = that in=20 the 1960s. Let's see, that's at least three little-known = cryptozoological=20 animals mentioned in DG books, (Selaama, Ikal and Chemosit [both in = DGEOV1]).=20 Somebody at Pagan knows their CZ.
 
Anyhow, on with folkloric = background: the name=20 is usually translated as either "female ghoul" or = "she-wolf"=20 (this sort of confusion between nouns has happened before with Arabic = names,=20 previously between "dubb" (bear) and "dubbah" = (hyena).=20 Interesting that "wolf" and "ghoul" are similar = words).=20 According to a lengthy text file I = received,=20 the critters supposedly lair in the Valley Of The Kings. Biologically, = there's=20 theories that the Selaama are creatures normally native to Sudan or = further=20 west, in the Libyan desert).
 
Cryptozoologically, some speculate = that the=20 Selaama was the basis for the god Set (nobody's figured out what he has = the head=20 of yet, and the creature was evidently thought of as a real animal), who = was a=20 cannibalistic god, or tie it to the legends of the Chemosit in Kenya. = Two were=20 killed, at Armant (1996) and Qattamiya (1997).
 
Now, on to the DG bits. COUNTDOWN = states the=20 Selaama was a sand dweller, the Chemosit (see above) is probably a = Mi-go, while=20 habit-wise it sounds like a plain old ghoul. Could the Fun Guys and = ghouls be=20 merged folklorically as Chemosit (makes sense, since the Chemosit is a = very=20 complex cryptid, with seemingly at least three species lumped together = under the=20 name).
 
I see at least the ghoulish version = of Chemosit=20 as a kind of African wendigo. Occasionally, a man degenerates into = cannibalism,=20 eating brains (one of the Chemosit's habits), probably contracting a = kuru-type=20 disease (sound familiar yet?) and finally becoming a ghoul. =
 
Now, here's my idea: the = Chemosit-ghouls are the=20 African equivalent of Heretics (also in COUNTDOWN). However, there's a = slightly=20 different Heretic expression among Africans, and instead of = "normal"=20 Heretic ghouls, they become sand dwellers. Chemosit ranging north are = called=20 Selaama, and hence the Selaama are sand dwellers, as = stated.
 
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(1) The British (PISCES) may have = encountered=20 either version of the Chemosit during their time in Kenya.
 
(2) The Selaama/Chemosit as Set: how = to account=20 for Apophis, the dragon which accompanied Set (and which, = coincidentally, was=20 credited with eating the dead)? Perhaps these Heretics' perversion of=20 Mordiggian?
 
(3) Do African-American Heretic ghouls express as = sand=20 dwellers, too?
 
Andrew D. Gable
agable@falcon.lhup.edu
The = CryptoWeb=20 (back up!): http://come.to/the_cryptoweb/<= BR>Delta=20 Green/Equinox: http://www.fortune= city.com/arkham/roswell/80/
 
"'Reality' is the only word in the language = that should=20 always be used in=20 quotes."
         &n= bsp;         =20 My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, "Nervous=20 Xians"
- ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF163A.9561EBC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:58:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "G. Wyckoff" Subject: Re: DG: Desert Monsters [COUNTDOWN spoilers] >Andrew Gable wrote: > I was intrigued by a mention on p. 178 of COUNTDOWN (in the "D Stacks" = > chapter) of the Saharan creatures called Selaama (actually, Salaawa or = > Silawa). These creatures are fairly commonly reported from Egypt, with = > two sightings since 1996, and several before that in the 1960s. Let's = > see, that's at least three little-known cryptozoological animals = > mentioned in DG books, (Selaama, Ikal and Chemosit [both in DGEOV1]). = > Somebody at Pagan knows their CZ. Check out: http://www.pufori.org/news/9812/nws12299812.htm Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:30:32 -0000 From: "Crossingham, Adam" Subject: Re: DG: A Bridge too far / Operation Market Garden Eckhard Huelshoff writes: <<< * And for those who see conspiracies almost everywhere: The Allied forces used a glider type called "Waco" >>> That's the manufacturer; the Brits called the glider type by another name. The Long Range Desert Group in North Africa also used light aircraft manufactured by WACO for communication between it's forward bases and MEF HQ in Cairo. - -- Adam Crossingham Desktop & Communications Administrator DE Hope & Others - Syndicate 1009 at Lloyd's Tel: 020 7661 5446 Fax: 020 7488 1246 E-mail: adam.crossingham@octavian1009.e-mail.com Web: http://www.dehope.com Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. The information contained in this e-mail and any files transmitted with it, and any subsequent correspondence is private and confidential, and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:38:46 -0000 From: "Crossingham, Adam" Subject: Re: DG: WWII Anecdote (was OSS and DG) Peter Devlin writes: <<< During WWII the Allies had a very successful group of Fifth Columnists fighting for them inside Germany, a group of German-born Jews who had escaped the Final Solution but returned to Germany to fight. How? Why? To a man every one of these Jews had natural blond hair and many had blue eyes, the end result of mixed marriages. These guys successfully masqueraded as SS and Wehrmacht soldiers inside Germany apparently by forming their own SS commanded squad?! They would ride around the country in official vehicles, with official papers, and commit acts of sabotage and terrorism, including assassination and spying for the Allies. They got away with it because of their looks, and the fact that they were hardened Nazi-haters with, presumably, balls of steel. I have no way of checking the veracity of the tale. Although I am a hardened sceptic it did strike a chord. >>> Sounds cool though. Most of the former East German government hierarchy seem to have claimed involvement in Communist-sponsored resistance, but they would though wouldn't they? There was the 'White Rose' movement in Germany but wasn't this mostly peaceful? The only groups I've read about with German members were 'X Troop' of 10 (Inter-Allied) Commando, and the Special Interrogation Group who were formed from Jewish German Zionist settlers and trained by German recruits/volunteers from Allied POW camps in North Africa. The SIG was betrayed by one of these POWs in November 1941 when operating outside Tobruk. - -- Adam Crossingham E-mail: adam.crossingham@octavian1009.e-mail.com Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. ------------------------------ End of deltagreen-digest V2 #99 *******************************