From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Joseph Camp [alphonse@delta-green.com] Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2000 10:47 PM To: dgrpg Subject: Re: DG: We forgot! >Yesterday was Reggie Day, the day set aside for remembering fondly >DG-Agents and friendlies killed in the line of battling horrible things. >As is customary, perhaps Uncle Joe, our beloved leader, would like to say a >few appropriate words (perhaps when his hangover clears up)? "Stop all the clocks, cut off the telephone. Prevent the dog from barking with a juicy bone. Silence the pianos and with muffled drum bring in the coffin - let the mourners come. Set aeroplanes soaring in the morning overhead, scribbling in the sky the message: He is dead. Put crepe bows 'round the white necks of the public doves, let traffic policeman wear black cotton gloves. He was my North, my South, my East and West, my working week and my Sunday best. My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song. I thought that love would last forever. I was wrong. The stars are not wanted now - put out every one. Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun. Put away the ocean and sweep up the wood, for nothing now can ever come to any good." - W.H. Auden, 1940 be seeing you, Alphonse From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 1:28 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Promed Interview - obviously a DG friendly I just found something wonderful on mcsweeneys.net http://www.mcsweeneys.net/1999/03/08calisher.html http://www.mcsweeneys.net/1999/03/09calisher.html http://www.mcsweeneys.net/1999/03/11calisher.html Andy R From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Graeme Price [graemep@immagene.mcg.edu] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 7:45 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: My fishtank Hali. Tim "highly disturbed" Betz wrote: >I have just hollowed out an old defunct VT-100 and put a fishtank inside >it. Due to sad geekiness my PC is named Carcosa. The fishtank is therefore >called Hali. Not convinced that beige is the best colour to view fish >against, I have decided to put a picture of some description behind the >tank. I am a bit dissapointed with the photos the pet shop has to offer >and so I am wondering if anyone on the list knows of any cthulhu-esque >artwork online that would look cool printed out and stuck behind a fish >tank. Now I'm just curious here, but what type of fish do you keep exactly? I have this worrying vision of baby Deep Ones and a warning sign saying "don't feed the Shoggoth".... and will the fish take a massive San loss from their new wallpaper? Later, he said whilst backing away slowly Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Paul Hazen [ashmodai@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 4:33 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The Music of the Spheres Since DG: the SoundTrack seems to be the topic, I recommend Clutch's self-titled album for a few good songs, including "Animal Farm". "Listen up you stinking maggots it seems you just don't get it well I'm appointed to inform you your days are numbered You would cry, you would scream if you knew half the things I see please, please just do as I say repent and leave your evil ways ...Meanwhile, planes drop from the sky people disappear and bullets fly little gray men are coming our way (tastes just like chicken they say) actually they're all around secret bunkers underground round 'em up, skin 'em alive rolling, rolling, rolling rawhide Carter is a clone dozen brothers 'round the globe MJ-12 damned us to Hell scroll and key, skull and bone its only just begun the best is yet to come Area 51 the Spawn of Babylon couldn't give a damn about "JFK" everythings conspiracy wouldn't be surprised if they had their way (tastes just like chicken they say) I know its hard to swallow it must sound too farfetched but you can bet your bottom dollar I ain't going like the rest" "De gustibus non disputantum est" Paul From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 7:04 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Americans in Gulags I read a few days ago that evidence has emerged that American POWs captured during Korea, and bizarrely at the latter stages of WWII, were held in Soviet Gulags. While the numbers involved are small - I think the report said only eight - the political significance is enormous. I think the DG link is obvious: How about a mission into the new look Soviet Union to look for traces of a missing DG mission? The survivors, captured by the Russians and packed off to a gulag rather than simply executed. Maybe some of them are even still alive - though insane, hoping and waiting for a rescue that never came. Jonathan From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 12:02 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Delta Green Bermuda Triangle Cruises (was: Re: DG: More B&E) On 29 January 2000 AD, the last Leap Day of the 20th Century, "Jeff Cuscutis" said, on the B&E question: >ObDG: >Cruise ships make a great place to have a scenario. There are pipes and >coridors everywhere. It is very easy to get lost. Military vessels can be at least as interesting, under the right circumstances -- the Navy doesn't seem to feel the need to hide as many of the pipes and conduits and stuff! (The idea is to have them visible for inspection and damage control...) Luckily, given the tendency of many PCs to shoot up the scenery, damage control -- at least in the USN -- is very good indeed! (Imagine having to hunt down some Cthulhoid terror that has climbed aboard (for example) the USS SUPPLY (AOE-6), a fast replenishment vessel -- big as a WWII battleship -- that combines features of an oiler and ammunition ship! Let some NPC officer remind the team of the fact that the hunt will be taking place aboard a ship loaded down with 156,000 barrels of various fuels and especially 1,800 tons of ammo... Given the trigger-happy tendencies of many PCs, even among things that "don't like bullets", the Damage Control parties may get a real workout!) However, cruise ships are considerably easier to get info on than warships -- a check with your local travel agents (at least in my part of the US) can yield brochures with not only color pictures of the ship herself, but, in many cases, deck plans (at least of the areas accessible to passengers). Most also give cruise itineraries, so you can know where the ship will be when the cultists hijack it, or when the Deep Ones climb over the rail... Princess and Carnival Lines seem to have good deck plans, as do some of the brochures from Cunard and from a Dutch line... I've even found brochures for Arctic and Antarctic cruises of Russian icebreakers (with limited deck plans)! Just don't tell the travel agent what you intend doing with the plans -- it's no fun being followed by SEALs or FBI men, or having your picture show up on the front page under the headline: "FBI AND COAST GUARD ARREST CRUISE SHIP HIJACK PLOTTERS -- "IT WAS ONLY A GAME!" PIRATES INSIST"...:) >The crew tends to have >very few americans in it. Some british, some canadian, many filipinos, many >thai, and many indians. Each department tends to be the same nationality. >All the officers are from one country. Princess cruises use british >officers, Carnival uses italian. In most of these cases, aren't the ships registered in other countries, for tax purposes? IIRC, there hasn't been a major US-flag liner since they laid up the SS UNITED STATES... > >--jeff (I feel like I just gave a sales pitch) Don't let it bother you... I've been accused of being an advertising man for Tom Clancy, Dale Brown, D.C. Poyer, Clive Cussler, and Michael diMercurio...:) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com "NAVY AMMUNITION SHIP EXPLODES AT SEA -- SEARCH FOR SURVIVORS UNDERWAY" "But we killed the monster -- I don't know what everybody's so upset about..." -- senior survivor of DG team:) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Randell Wolff [randell.wolff@murraystate.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 2:51 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: Delta Green Bermuda Triangle Cruises (was: Re: DG: More B&E) Here's an example of a page I found featuring a few deck plans and some nice pictures: http://www.classicalcruises.com/shipsanddeck1.htm Randell Wolff "If ignorance is bliss, then knock the smile off my face." --Rage against the Machine, "Settle for Nothing" From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andrew D. Gable [agable@falcon.lhup.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 4:54 PM To: Delta Green List Subject: DG: Children of Shugoran? I could be wrong, but isn't Negri Sembilan where Klein placed Shugoran in "Black Man With A Horn"? If so, well...here's some DG relevance I think. Hairy Hominid in Malaysia Kuala Lumpur (AFP) - The 'mawa', a Malaysian version of Bigfoot, has been sighted in a tiny village in the southern state of Negiri Sembilan. Liong Chong Shen was working in his orchard when he saw two of these creatures. One of them was black-haired, about 1.83 meters tall. The other one was brown-haired, about 1.52 meters tall. "My heart started pounding faster when I saw two mawas standing near the rubber trees as I feared they would attack me," Liong explained to the Sunday Star. "I was about 10 meters away from them and I have a clear view." Liong also noticed a strong smell and noted that the creatures made grunting noises. Andrew D. Gable agable@falcon.lhup.edu The CryptoWeb (I'll fix it! I'll fix it!): come.to/the_cryptoweb/ We are all Britons! And I am your King! -- Monty Python From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 5:16 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Delta Green Bermuda Triangle Cruises Michael's info was, as always, well organized and helpful. However, the Subject: is givin' me the jimjams, as I am invaded by visions of Kathy Lee Gifford in spandex and taps doing a Carnival production number to canned music. The horror! The horror! Mark McFadden Is willing to use Dremel tools to remove memories of "Mr. B Natural" on MST3K. "Gosh, I'm depressed. This whole puberty/adolescence thing is getting me down. I wish a perky person of dubious gender would drop by right about now. Especially if they identify themselves as male while wearing tights over a hot ass" From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Busby, Jacob [Jacob.Busby@hants.gov.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 2:50 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Worthwhile link If you can't find the plot hook in this one, your just not looking hard enough... http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_662000/662172.stm "And I sighed and shook my head, knowing that the beauty of a woman is like the beauty of the lightning - a destructive thing and a cause of desolation." Allan Quatemain, H. Rider Haggard From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Robert Thomas [ThomasR@Cardiff.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 11:55 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: MI5 snippits Hello All, Just a quick three links some of historical interest one which could be of interest if agents really have to, in the B&E sense, locate some records that ones first: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk_politics/newsid_243000/243727.stm then some historical ones for the 1920's and 1930's: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_664000/664156.stm 1960's: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk_politics/newsid_585000/585002.stm later Rob From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 2:50 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: (no subject) Mention of Star Trek during the sci-fi adapted to DG/CoC thread got me thinking. Over the weekend I rented 'Trekkies", a documentary about the phenomenon. We will now take a short recess as those who must do these things reflexively make histrionic sounds of nausea, reply-to-all that they *HATE*!!!!! that show and in other ways make it plain to anyone who [cares] that they aren't Trekkies or trekkers or are even for a moment to be mistaken for someone so déclassé, lame and nyekulturnya as to like anything about the show or endure discussion of it in their presence. Also, those of such fine and discriminating sensibilities that they eschew TV entirely should also take this opportunity to register their distaste and be sure that no one will mistake them for a commoner. OK, times up. Onward. I am not very interested in discussing the "quality" of Star Trek or it's myriad spinoffs, and this is certainly not the forum for that. I am not very interested in discussing the pseudo-science, or warp physics or Gene Roddenberry's personal habits or any of that dross; again, this ain't the forum. Frankly, I am not very interested in Star Trek per se, but I am very interested in the effect it has had. When you listen (without prejudice) to Trekkies speaking of their lives, of the optimistic ST future that they dream of and try to live in today, the comparisons to religion are almost unavoidable. ST is their touchstone for everything. It is the source of wisdom, the fount of metaphors, and a model for living. And, pathetic as it might seem to many, it makes them happy. Good, bad, or indifferent, there is no denying that ST icons have worked their way into our culture. "Beam me up Scotty", phasers on stun, shields up, transporter, tractor beam, Starship Enterprise, Klingons, Borg, warp drive, Prime Directive, dilithium crystals, "He's dead, Jim." By now, only the most media-phobic Papuan headhunter can be unaware of the basic character traits of the triumverate of Kirk\Spock\Bones. You don't need to be a fan of the show(s). You don't need to SEE the show(s) to pick up on the essentials from standup comedy, commercials, references on the net, in political speeches, magazine articles, fax humor, billboard advertising, comic books and editorial cartoons. The icons have become the elements of a new mythology. I wonder what the phenom will look like in the next century, if time and distance from the source will spontaneously spawn a faith or philosophy. And would it be a bad thing? Personal Star Trek anecdotes: I used to work at Paramount studios, so there was always ST stuff going on. I passed through the DS9 cast trailers on the way to and from my parking lot daily. My morning schedule often coincided with hordes of Klingons coming out of makeup, or cast members walking about mumbling dialogue to themselves. The usual garb of cast members when off camera is jeans and a black t-shirt. One Saturday, I ran into Patrick Stewart giving some grandkids a tour of the lot during the filming of Generations. ObDG: If I was writing about the Endtimes, I think ST would be the source of some interesting cults. With it's relentless optimism, I find it hard to see an ST cult as a source of conscious evil, but I think it would be fun to design a hell at the end of all those good intentions. Hardcore Trekkies actually go to Klingon language camp and such. They take their fantasies seriously and are willing to spend money and do homework. Let us not speculate on the social life of the fellow who *designed* the Klingon language. Can you imagine the unsuspected idiot savant talents that might sprout from people immersing themselves in a Vulcan reality tunnel? The havoc gifted nerds with Ferengi philosophy could wreak on Wall Street? If anyone thinks that I am being facetious or lampooning anything, remember that I'm an Angeleno and grew up with Helter Skelter in the local evening news. And does anyone think (judging from the content of his dutifully broadcast jeremiad) that David Koresh had anything really special or unique to say about Armageddon, special enough to get people to drop their lives in England and Australia and move to Waco? Have you ever read Hitler's prose? Never underestimate the siren allure of the obvious, predictable and easily digested. In the documentary, Trekkies, the filmmakers profiled the member of the Whitewater trial who appeared daily in court dressed in her Star Fleet uniform. Reporters flocked and snapped, and there was a media spasm. I mean, she'd be taken off the jury, right? I mean, you know, look at her. She's a Lieutenant Commander in Star Fleet, what the hell is she doing on a jury? Apparently, helping comprise a jury of peers. At work, she doesn't wear her uniform, but does sport comm badge, tricorder, phaser and rank pins on her collar. Her boss and coworkers at the print shop address her as Commander. They say she is conscientious, a hard worker, skilled, with a consistently sunny disposition. Now, imagine this same behavior in the 70s. Astounding what the range of acceptable behavior becomes over time, isn't it? Mark McFadden Who is your favorite ST:OS character has replaced the Beatles for pop psychology litmus testing. Here is the basic difference between Picard and Kirk, IMHO: They each have a signature line. Kirk's is "I need more power!", but Picard's is the more elegant "Make it so." From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Nick Brownlow [stabernide@netscape.net] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 8:18 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: [DG: (no subject)] This brings to mind the first time I encountered *real* trekkies. Several years ago (I must have led a sheltered life up until this point), I was penned up in a Santa Monica youth hostel with assorted other Euro-trash, on account of Southern California's annual rainfall deciding to descend in a single day. I was trying to give up daytime drinking at the time, so someone suggested we go to an afternoon showing of some film or another; and about five of us ventured out into the deluge to do just that. When we arrived, it turned out that today was the premiere of First Contact, and the cinema foyer was packed with various Romulans, Ferengi etc. Thinking all this was just some kind of promotion, we bought our tickets and made our way through to the auditorium- at which point we realised the guys in costume weren't cinema employees. In fact, we were four of about twelve customers who'd come 'casual'. I myself spent the entire movie sandwiched between a Klingon and an impressive looking Borg; whilst my Welsh mate maintains the Klingon 'couple' he sat next to actually conversed in Klingon throughout the film. On the subject of the theological aspects of Trekkie society, the whole event had a very ceremonial feel to it; and I did notice that the captivated audience tended to hang on the familiar catchphrases ('Make it So' etc.) in a very 'Life of Brian' sort of way. Another thing I've noticed in the last few years is the amount of female Trekkies there are knocking around (previously I've always tended to generalise this kind of phenomena as a fanboy thing); I've also noticed that many of these women tend to be fairly outspoken Christians as well. Interesting. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of REFLECTING SKIN [reflectingskin@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 9:33 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The Music of the Spheres I can't stress the following albums enough for true creep factor and mood. Three Soundtracks are really mandatory (these are the SCORES to the movie themselves) 1. Ennio Morricone's soundtrack to : RAVENOUS 2. The score for CLAY PIGEONS Both have this strange, weird, hallucinatory, rustic backwoods feel that just creeps the living crap out of players. 3. Sndtrck to TWIN PEAKS:FIRE WALK WITH ME One track is about six minutes of a distorted, warbly low voice saying "the black dog runs at night" over and over again, how can you not love that. Skinny Puppy Brap Vol.3+4 (double cd set) Creepy, like radio from the 1930's tuned to static from Carcosa COIL Anything by Coil, but the most exceptional for mood within DG is probably Coil : The Snow and Windowpane single remixes. Without a doubt the Snow has one of the creepiest loop samples I've ever heard on it. Indescribable TRIBES OF NEUROT Silver Blood Transmissions Ambient, dark, the sounds of lava flowing in Hell. PAUL SCHUTZ New Maps of Hell Vol 1 and 2 Ambient, dark, the soundscape of the abyss, from the pastoral countrysides of Dis to the scorching metropolic of the Ninth circle... PANASONIC Vakio, Kulma, Osasto Minimalist noise from Finish Techno artists, they build their own instruments out of tone generators, repetitive, mechanical, stark, cold, alien and strangely organic at times. GORECKI, H. Thrinity for the Victims of Hiroshima Classical Composer, Violins, Hiroshima, Misery, Torment, Loss and Terror. Beautiful, engrossing, disturbing. Just some things I'm never without when I run DG ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 1:38 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: ST fandom (was: [DG: (no subject)]) In a message dated 00-03-03 13:35:34 EST, you write: << I agree with you about the female / male split. Far, far more women than you would see at something like a game convention or, particularly, a miniature wargame convention. >> Yeah, I like totally fergot ta mention that aspect. ST fandom seems to have many of the same demographics as rabid Renaissance Faire attendees and Elvis worshipers. I have no hard statistics on the convergences, but my Spidey sense tingles around all three. And out here in LaLa Land, there will usually be an overlap at any event. Go to any Ren Faire in So Cal and there will be roving bands of Klingons and Federation landing parties all exclaiming in character about how fascinating this time travel jaunt is, while gnawing on a turkey leg. Incidentally, is it more than arts-n-crafts pride in costume construction that makes Borg and Klingons such popular costumes? Klingon appeal is easily understandable, it's swaggering around like a samurai without having to be polite or cultured. And leather Wonderbras. But what kind of wish fulfillment is met by identifying with the Borg? Mark McFadden "Hmmmm, an unknown planet that has inexplicably pulled us from warp space and is holding us prisoner in a decaying orbit. Looks like we need a landing party." "Noooooo." "Yep, that means me, the Captain. I'll be going down there into an obviously dangerous situation of unknown proportions." "Is that wise, Captain?" "I'll also be needing the chief Science Officer and second-in-command to accompany me into this dangerous situation." "Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a trailblazer." "Thank you for reminding me, Bones. We'll also need the chief Medical Officer, Helmsman, Chief Engineer, Communications Officer, Weapons Officer, and some hot looking babe in case this planet doesn't have humanoids." "What about Security, Captain?" "Thank you Spock, meticulous as always. Yes, we'll be needing Security. Get me 2 or 3 crewmen in red shirts. Last names only please, I don't want to get attached to them. Make sure they get their ID laminated." From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Shane Ivey [sivey@zealot.com] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 1:56 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: RE: ST fandom (was: [DG: (no subject)]) I'd feel remiss if I didn't contribute to the suspiciously OT nature of this thread by telling everybody that we (Zealot.com, my day job) are looking for freelance convention write-ups. If you're going to one and you have a camera, let's talk (OFF-LIST). (We're also looking for a few more full-time science fiction writers, but we've been advertising that for months.) ObDG: The latest Delta-Green.com update is suffering a slight delay thanks to [SECURITY REDACTION -- CLASS. A3]. It should be done this weekend. Including that Hali pic, and about a half-dozen others by the same artist. Shane Ivey Today at Zealot.com: The SLIDERS Movie? GameJudge.com: The Game Review Superportal Delta-Green.com: Lovecraftian Horror and Modern Conspiracy Full-time Positions & Freelance Writing: Zealot.com/jobs/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com [mailto:owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com]On Behalf Of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 1:38 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: ST fandom (was: [DG: (no subject)]) In a message dated 00-03-03 13:35:34 EST, you write: << I agree with you about the female / male split. Far, far more women than you would see at something like a game convention or, particularly, a miniature wargame convention. >> Yeah, I like totally fergot ta mention that aspect. ST fandom seems to have many of the same demographics as rabid Renaissance Faire attendees and Elvis worshipers. I have no hard statistics on the convergences, but my Spidey sense tingles around all three. And out here in LaLa Land, there will usually be an overlap at any event. Go to any Ren Faire in So Cal and there will be roving bands of Klingons and Federation landing parties all exclaiming in character about how fascinating this time travel jaunt is, while gnawing on a turkey leg. Incidentally, is it more than arts-n-crafts pride in costume construction that makes Borg and Klingons such popular costumes? Klingon appeal is easily understandable, it's swaggering around like a samurai without having to be polite or cultured. And leather Wonderbras. But what kind of wish fulfillment is met by identifying with the Borg? Mark McFadden "Hmmmm, an unknown planet that has inexplicably pulled us from warp space and is holding us prisoner in a decaying orbit. Looks like we need a landing party." "Noooooo." "Yep, that means me, the Captain. I'll be going down there into an obviously dangerous situation of unknown proportions." "Is that wise, Captain?" "I'll also be needing the chief Science Officer and second-in-command to accompany me into this dangerous situation." "Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a trailblazer." "Thank you for reminding me, Bones. We'll also need the chief Medical Officer, Helmsman, Chief Engineer, Communications Officer, Weapons Officer, and some hot looking babe in case this planet doesn't have humanoids." "What about Security, Captain?" "Thank you Spock, meticulous as always. Yes, we'll be needing Security. Get me 2 or 3 crewmen in red shirts. Last names only please, I don't want to get attached to them. Make sure they get their ID laminated." From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Chris Sorisio [macros@twd.net] Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 11:36 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: CRASH: A DG front broken up? A little something ripped from today's headlimes, that someone might find interesting material for a story about a Delta Green front in LA getting broken up after twenty years of operation. http://www.latimes.com/news/state/20000304/t000020920.html "Chief Parks Orders Current Anti-Gang Units Disbanded" Police: 'We're starting from scratch,' one official says. CRASH program will be scrapped and restructured for better oversight. Officers will be limited to three-year stints. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Mused [mused@idirect.com] Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 12:00 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: More evidence of the Mythos http://www.circling.org/articles/01.00/bioblaster.html Deep Ones are laying low, my ass! From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Steven J Cook [mechanus@mechanus.screaming.net] Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 12:42 PM To: Delta Green Subject: DG: Question about DG Mailing List Do the list operators have any intention of adding a DIGEST feature to this list in the near future? I don't know about anybody else but trying to wade through all the individual e-mails is very time consuming! Any answer would be appreciated. Agent Xander From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of andrew john farrow [afarrow@kirkmoorrd.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 4:23 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG:could we use this? once the fuss has died down , could this become a - DG *opscentre* for a new and snazy 21st century C3I response to mythos threats everywhere . http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/03/03/remains.of.y2k.ap/index.html cos no one else seems intrerested yet - and waiting for MJ12 to claim it is just TOO much yours - andrew farrow . afarrow@kirkmoorrd.freeserve.co.uk From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Steven Kaye [box_nine@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 11:52 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Ghouls and Their Gods [LONG] Jason R. Armstrong asked why ghouls are associated with Nyogtha, Shudde M'ell, and Mordiggian. Nyogtha I'd expect is more a matter of sharing a habitat with the ghouls, as Jason suggested. Aside from trying to eat everything it can, Nygotha seems to want to increase its growth. I'd asked Jim Ambuehl a while back about uses of Kuttner's creations in Mythos fiction and here's what he had to say on Nygotha and the Vach-Viraj Incantation: >As far as I can recall it: > >Nyogtha useage: >The Salem Horror -- Henry Kuttner; >The Seventh Incantation -- Joseph Payne Brennan; >A Gentleman from Providence Pens a Letter -- Ben Indick; >The Black Tower of Leng -- Randy Medoff; >The Scarlet Sigil -- Leon L. Gammell; >Some scattered Lin Carter mentions, and many C of C game mentions and >usages. >Vach-Viraj Incantation, Tikkoun Elixir and similar useages: >The Salem Horror -- Henry Kuttner; >THE BURROWERS BENEATH -- Brian Lumley; >A Gentleman from Providence Pens a Letter -- Ben Indick; >Sculpture -- James Ambuehl; >Lin Carter again, and C of C games. > >Brief descriptions of the above stories: > >A Gentleman From Providence Pens a Letter -- HPL pens a letter to Ben >Indick (supposedly), in which he tells of exploring the Round Tower and >awakening it's hungry guardian, Nyogtha, which then comes to his >dwelling and attacks him. He forces it off with Vach-Viraj. > >The Black Tower of Leng -- A soldier in Southeast Asia relates his >experiences to a courtroom concerning he and a colleague's encountering >of Nyogtha. At the end he is disbelieved, pronounced guilty of his >friend's murder, and the judge retires to his chambers to become Nyogtha >and fly away towards hoary Leng. > >Sculpture -- A man dreams of an Old One, Volgna-Gath, whose form is >gathered in clay and worshipped by him in a bid to give it eldritch >life. His friend, with the aid of a learned occultist, tries to >forestall the god-thing by a variety of spells, one of which is the >Vach-Viraj Incantation. > >The Scarlet Sigil -- In a dark fantasy mileu, a barbarian warrior must >battle both Nyogtha and the fearsome Dholes -- for some reason which >I've forgotten, but it was probably in quest for some treasure or other. > >The Seventh Incantation -- A man summons up the god Nyogtha in a bid for >riches and power -- and ends up becoming the thing's meal. Other CoC mentions besides THE THING AT THE THRESHOLD: "Castle Dark" from THE FUNGI FROM YUGGOTH/DAY OF THE BEAST, "The Lurker in the Crypt" from FATAL EXPERIMENTS. To be honest, I don't recall Shudde M'ell being associated with ghouls. It does make one wonder why there aren't more instances of subsidence, what with ghoul tunnels, the things from Fritz Leiber's "The Terror from the Depths," cthonians, and the outposts of the underground civilization of K'n-yan all over the place. I could see an alliance between Shudde M'ell and the ghouls - remove these pesky Elder Signs and carry a few eggs for me and you can have what's left of the humans after we drink their blood. Mordiggian - you could make a case for his cult originating among humans and leading to the creation of the ghouls (hey, so he didn't mention HOW they'd become immortal). The tricky part is that he's worshipped in Zothique, in the far future. Perhaps some of his followers were sent back in time to plant the seeds for his worship, so he'd be assured of a healthy food suply in the future? Steven ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Steven Kaye box_nine@ix.netcom.com Reason - rationality - is a concentration camp, where the sets of concepts for surviving in a chaotic universe form vast, though finite, rows of huts, separated into blocks by electric fences, which the searchlights of Attention rove over, picking out now one group of huts, now another. Thoughts, like prisoners - imprisoned for their own security and safety - scurry and march and labour in a flat two-dimensional zone, forbidden to leap fences, gunned down by laser beams of madness and unreason if they try to. Ian Watson, THE EMBEDDING From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Mark Warden [Mark.Warden@gmtv.co.uk] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 5:14 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Loves Lonely Children Greetings, Just a quick question - has anyone played (or tried to play) "Loves Lonely Children" from Chaosiums "Stars.." book ? Is it at all suited to DG ? I am currently getting my act together to begin a full on DG campaign in the imminent future and after a couple false starts ("Convergence" a couple of years back, a couple of my own and then "Puppet..." 6 months ago) I was looking at a simple scenario to help the group of pcs establish itself before I launch into the campaign proper. I so far have three FBI agents, an NSA man and two civilians. If anyone has any suggestions, hints or tips on running this scenario, it would be well appreciated. Further to that, any suggestions on other simple (published) scenarios to run.... Thanks Be seeing you Mark -- The information in this Internet e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this Internet e-mail by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Also the contents of this message including any attachments does not necessary reflect the view of GMTV unless expressly stated to the contrary and the reader is advised unless the contrary is expressed, the message is the work of a sender acting as an individual. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Steven Kaye [box_nine@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 6:51 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Ghouls and Their Gods [LONG] At 12:46 AM -0500 3/6/00, Jason R. Armstrong wrote: > > As for the Shudde M'Ell connection re: ghouls, I inferred it more >than anything from the "Dark Carnival" segment of "Cthulhu Classics". The >cult of the Waiting Dark has cthonian/Shudde M'Ell connections. It also >seems to have some ghoul allies. Also, I'm dimly remembering a CoC Now >adventure by Marcus L. Rowland from White Dwarf, "Curse of the Bone", >where there is (I *think*, but I could be wrong) some relations between >the ghouls and cthonian use. Thought it might have been "Dark Carnival." Actually, depending on what you think the origin of Nyogtha is (I don't recall Kuttner saying, but I'll have to re-read "The Salem Horror"), the Cthonians and Nyogtha might share a common origin as spawn of Ubbo-Sathla (see the anguished cry of the big bad cthonian in THE BURROWERS BENEATH). Wonder if this is why the Elder Things double-crossed Nyogtha, the darned double-dealing star-headed vegetable carnivores. > FATAL EXPERIMENTS, I just tried to order. It's got Nyogtha _and_ >a segment with the Tattered King itself. Sadly, it's out of print >indefinitely. Chaosium, why must you always disappoint! First, no >"Resection of Time", now this!! Bastards. Trying looking on http://www.bookfinder.com - I've gotten THE STARS ARE RIGHT! through them. Steven ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Steven Kaye box_nine@ix.netcom.com Reason - rationality - is a concentration camp, where the sets of concepts for surviving in a chaotic universe form vast, though finite, rows of huts, separated into blocks by electric fences, which the searchlights of Attention rove over, picking out now one group of huts, now another. Thoughts, like prisoners - imprisoned for their own security and safety - scurry and march and labour in a flat two-dimensional zone, forbidden to leap fences, gunned down by laser beams of madness and unreason if they try to. Ian Watson, THE EMBEDDING From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of box_nine@ix.netcom.com Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 12:11 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: [Fwd: Psyops in Media War] Speaking of MJ-12 and the media... Steven > Trouw [NL] > 25 February, 2000 > > Military Had No Influence, Says CNN > By Abe de Vries > > ATLANTA - The American network CNN has admitted on Wednesday to Trouw > that last year five U.S. Army specialist in the use of audiovisual > media in psychological operations (psyops) have worked at it's main > office in Atlanta for six months. CNN rejects the view that its > journalistic integrity has been endangered by the cooperation with the > U.S. Army. Also, CNN does not think wrong appearances have been made, > which should have been avoided. Mahoney: "These military were only > involved in news production under supervision of senior CNN employees. > They have not decided what CNN should report and what not. Our staff > is committed to neutral, fair, accurate and responsible reporting. CNN > sticks to the highest standards in journalism." According to a > spokeswoman, Megan Mahoney, "five military have learned, mainly in the > role of observers, about the different tasks and responsibilities in > our newsrooms". CNN denies that psyops specialists could have been > involved in the production of news about the war in Kosovo, as a Major > of the U.S. Army Information Service said on Monday. The military > worked at CNN in the period from June 7th until the end of December, > each for ten weeks. This would mean that during the war they only were > with CNN in the last week. Mahoney says they were internees. Two > worked in a television department, two in a radio department and one > in satellite communications. Before 7 June there would have been no > military personnel working for CNN. A spokesman for the U.S. Special > Operations Command, Walter Sokalski, said that the psyops specialist > were assigned "to study the process of collecting and distribution of > information at CNN, the technical side of it". Sokalski: "The American > army must do more with less. They examined the logistics of a > worldwide organization: how can you work on such a big scale and still > be efficient?" The military unit to which the internees belonged is > the Third Psychological Operations Battalion (POB), part of the > airmobile Fourth Psychological Operations Group in Fort Bragg, > North-Carolina. This POB is the only active unit of the American army > which can print flyers, posters and newspapers and do radio and > television transmissions. Most psyops personnel has a university > degree in psychology or in one of the social sciences. In armed > conflicts or during periods of rising tensions, troops like this are > expected to disseminate "information" to influence public opinion. A > second goal of psyops is to frighten opponents on the battlefield. > During the war in Kosovo leaflets were spread which contained a > message for the soldiers of the Yugoslav army: that they had to choose > between "a certain death" or desertion. In April, anonymous "military > officials" delivered one such a leaflet to a CNN-reporter. The > outplacement of American psyops specialists at CNN was, according to > Mahoney, a one-time affair. "It was a temporary program which will not > be continued." > > Trouw > 23 February, 2000 > > Specialists in 'psyops' worked for CNN > By Abe de Vries > > WASHINGTON, ATLANTA - Last year, CNN has for a short period of time > employed military specialists in "psychological operations" (psyops). > This was confirmed to Trouw by a spokesman of the U.S. Army. The > military could have influenced CNN's news reports about the crisis in > Kosovo. "Psyops personnel, soldiers and officers, have been working in > CNN's headquarters in Atlanta through our program 'Training With > Industry'," said Major Thomas Collins of the U.S. Army Information > Service in a telephone interview last Friday. "They worked as regular > employees of CNN. Conceivably, they would have been working on stories > during the Kosovo war. They've helped in the production of news." > These military, a "handful" according to Collins, have stayed with CNN > for at least a couple of weeks "to get to know the company and to > broaden their horizons." Collins maintains "they didn't work under the > control of the army." The temporary outplacement of U.S. Army psyops > personnel in various sectors of society began a couple of years ago. > Contract periods vary from a couple of weeks to one year. CNN is the > biggest and most widely viewed news station in the world. The intimate > liaisons with army psyops specialists raise serious doubts about CNN's > journalistic integrity and independence. The military CNN-personnel > belonged to the airmobile Fourth Psychological Operations Group, > stationed at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. One of the main tasks of this > group of almost 1200 soldiers and officers is to spread "selected > information." American psyops troops try with a variety of techniques > to influence media and public opinion in armed conflicts in which > American state interests are said to be at stake. The propaganda group > was involved in the Gulf war, the Bosnian war and the crisis in > Kosovo. So far CNN has not commented on the allegations. "I don't > believe that we would employ military personnel, it doesn't seem like > something we would normally do," said CNN-spokeswoman Megan Mahoney at > first, on Friday evening. But when the U.S. Army Information Service > confirmed the news, Mahoney said she would have to contact CNN's > senior officials. However, on Sunday evening CNN could still not issue > an offical statement. CNN's coverage of the war in Kosovo, and that by > other media, has attracted criticism from several sides as having been > one-sided, too emotional, simplifying and too heavily based on NATO > officials. On the other hand, journalists have complained about the > lack of reliable information from NATO; for almost all of them it was > impossible to be on the battlefield and file first-hand reports. > > Background story: > > The American army loves CNN > > BELGRADE - In the first two weeks of the war in Kosovo, CNN produced > thirty articles for the Internet. An average CNN-article mentions > seven times NATO politicians like Bill Clinton and Tony Blair, NATO > spokesmen like Jamie Shea and David Wilby, and other NATO officials. > Nine times words like refugees, ethnic cleansing, mass killings and > expulsions are used. But it seems the so-called Kosovo Liberation Army > (0.2 times) and the Yugoslav civilian victims (0.3 times) never > existed for CNN. Concentration on one central message is a favorite > technique in audiovisual mass media, but it holds also a high place > with military personnel trying to win a war using "psychological > operations" (psyops). Number of viewers and the interest of the state > can shake hands, provided there's a lot of simplifying and mystifying. > The news that CNN employed psyops specialists leaves really only this > question to be answered. Did the military learn from the television > makers how to catch and hold the attention of the viewers? Or did the > psyops people maybe teach CNN how the U.S. government could be > assisted in gathering political support? CNN, no doubt about that, > will soon declare that the military ofcourse didn't influence their > news. However, this whole thing looks very bad. And appearance counts > too. The commander of the Fourth Psychological Operations Group, > colonel Christopher St. John, implied beginning of February on a > closed military symposium on special operations, held in Arlington > (Virginia), that the cooperation with CNN was a textbook example of > the kind of ties the American army wants to have with the media. > According to the French magazine Intelligence Newsletter, in a report > in its latest edition, in particular the Kosovo experience was > evaluated at this symposium. In the Kosovo crisis there was no > military censorship, as was in place during the Gulf war. This time > NATO tried with more subtle methods to regulate the flow of > information. The U.S. Army leadership seems to have concluded that new > and more agressive measures in psychological warfare are needed. Not > only do the psyops people want to spread handpicked 'information' (and > keep other news quiet), the army wants also to control the Internet, > to wage electronic warfare against disobedient media, and to control > commercial satellites. NATO's message in the Kosovo war was simple. > That's how it should be in effective psyops. NATO had to confront > Serbian troops who committed genocide, waged war to facilitate the > return of Albanian refugees, and bombed Yugoslavia very careful, to > avoid if possible 'collateral damage'. Mass media like CNN took this > message at face value and didn't ask too many disturbing questions. > Probably with this very soothing motto in mind: that half a truth is > still far away from being a lie. The war in Kosovo was far less bloody > than the one in Bosnia; many Albanians fled Kosovo from fear of > bombings or on orders of the KLA; NATO killed more than 500 innocent > Yugoslav civilians in 'accidents'; by using imprecise and outdated > cluster bombs NATO has, according to many experts in international > law, violated the Geneva Conventions - but all of that, it seems, was > not, or not really, worth mentioning. Still, the psyops people in > Arlington were not completely satisfied. In their opinion, too much > information about the unplanned results of the bombings has come to > the surface. Rear-admiral Thomas Steffens of the U.S. Special > Operations Command (SOCOM) reportedly would like to have the capacity > to bring down an 'informational cone of silence" over areas where > special operations are in place. What that can mean in reality was > shown by the bombing of the Serbian state television RTS in Belgrade. > Fourteen people died. Another high-ranking officer of SOCOM, colonel > Romeo Morrissey, said in his review that NATO should have taken out > the Serbian radio station B-92. The B-92 coverage of the bombings did > not correspond at all with the information NATO brought out on its > press shows in Brussels. Journalists who regularly logged in on the > internet site of B-92 had succeeded, bit by bit, in undermining NATO's > message. And that is something psyops people don't like. Psyops people > love CNN. > > # distributed via : no commercial use without permission > # is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net -- Bryan Alexander http://www.centenary.edu/~balexand (318) 869-5082 (office) (318) 869-5139 (FAX) ---------- From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of David Farnell [daf@iwa.att.ne.jp] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 6:14 PM To: Delta Green List Subject: DG: another disinfo site--for Karotechia Here's something for those who want insight into the minds of those Karotechia-supported race "scientists": http://www.disinfo.com/disinfo?p=folder&title=Scientific+Racism Dave From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 7:19 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Ethnic disease weapons David. People are more than willing to believe this has really been done. Basically, any group that happens to suffer badly from a new disease believes it. It is pretty common "knowledge" in Africa that AIDS was invented by the white man to wipe out negros, and was deliberately spread by the US government. See http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/1671/whitedeath.htm The new black government of South Africa has refused to use anti-HIV drugs to prevent infection of unborn children, supposedly because they are too expensive, but really because they don't trust the "Western" medical establishment to tell the truth. http://www.oneworld.org/ips2/feb99/18_05_081.html Some gays have similar beliefs. Check out for instance - http://www.wompkee.com/upperaccess/Health.htm Emerging Diseases form a fertile soil for apocalyptic speculation. After all, to these things, we are as grass. There is an absolutely riveting paper in this at http://www.fas.org/promed/papers/proposal.html Andy R. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Farnell To: Delta Green List Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 12:14 AM Subject: DG: another disinfo site--for Karotechia > Here's something for those who want insight into the minds of those > Karotechia-supported race "scientists": > > http://www.disinfo.com/disinfo?p=folder&title=Scientific+Racism > > Dave > > > > From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 7:33 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Emergent Diseases Sorry, Re the Promed report on emergent diseases, the link should have been http://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/EOP/OSTP/CISET/html/toc.html Has anything ever been done along the lines of the GOO as diseases? I don't mean as "gods of disease": I mean, as microbes, emergent from within the world rather than irrupting from outside, and reshaping the world on a microscopic (nanotechnological?) basis. Maybe something like the rouge white blood corpuscles in Greg Bear's "Blood Music". Andy R > Here's something for those who want insight into the minds of those > Karotechia-supported race "scientists": > > http://www.disinfo.com/disinfo?p=folder&title=Scientific+Racism > > Dave > From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of John Sherman [thothi72@dellnet.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 5:00 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: History of Psychological Warfare > The History Channel will air "Psychological Warfare" as part of the Sworn > to Secrecy series on 11 Jun at 2300hrs Eastern time These are the guys I work with .... I know...I know... I work for "the Man" as "box nine" gave us the press report There are a lot of glaring misrepresentations. as a DG seed Psyop is packed with a wealth of conspiracy seeds, but in reality, most of what we do is called Humanitarian Assistance. We teach kids in Bosnia, Albania, Thailand...(many other countries) how to identify and avoid landmines, proper hygiene to avoid disease. However, during war, our mission does change. According to the UN, we have to obey very strict rules on what our messages can say or depict. I dont want anyone to trip on my soap box :) but Psyop in the US Army is probably the most honorable job in the military. of course I could be brainwashed.... From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Marco S.Subias [MSubias@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 2:35 AM To: Delta Green Subject: DG: Local Law Enforcement (Roger Moore don't read) Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler I have an agent who is FBI, and who showed too much disrespect to local county LEOs when taking over jurisdiction. What are the options for disrespected county LEOs in a rural area? Would they contact state level officials? Complain to someone in the FBI who probably wouldn't be DG? Basically, he prevented them from even briefly looking at a (very suspicious) murder scene in their local jurisdiction. Also, one of my players is a CDC doctor, and he did the unwise act of actually using the power of his real CDC position to quarantine an area under DG investigation to cover up the presence of a very suspicious corpse. (This is the same scenario that features the disrespected local LEOs.) What sort of creative, sadistic fallout can you imagine this generating? Marco From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 7:31 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Begotten and such Greetings. Adam writes... >How hard would it be for a bunch of loony cultists to turn the "King In >Yellow" into a major film. With Industrial Light & Magic doing the effects, >Spielburg directing (I would prefer Kubrick, but alas, the master is no >longer with us) Trailer ON THE SHORES OF A DISTANT LAKE IN THE RUINS OF AN ANCIENT CITY A MOTHER and a son ARE ABOUT TO CONFRONT THEIR DARKEST PASSIONS AND THE KING IN YELLOW! THE PLAY THEY SAID COULD NOT BE FILMED IS NOW A STEVEN SPIELBERG MOVIE. But being one of those guys that still like black and white flicks and low-tech stuff, I'd alternatively give the project to Peter Greenaway. With Michael Nyman handling the musics, manipulating and 'updating' Bordighera's Mass. Trailer: Just a still shot of a bloke in yellow dress and golden mask, in a sort of still life Arcimboldo composition, as Fretwork violas wail in the background. Or maybe the world is ready for 'Coppola's King in Yellow'.... Trailer: Martin Sheen in a codpiece, laying on a four poster bed and staring at the Dali-esque fresco on his ceiling. 'Carcosa...' Sorry. Just being silly. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Diego Garcia [dgarcia@ta.telecom.com.ar] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 10:07 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Numbers in Countdown cover. Yesterday I received the great Delta Green Contuntdown.Although I only browse trought it, my first doubt/question comes from de cover. Anyone knows if the numbers behind the word "Countdown" in the cover have some kind of meaning or are just gibberish? (Yes I know is an stupid question, but those numbers were taken from somewhere or generated randomly, and if the dessigner of the cover take the numbers form somewhere it's quite possible that the choice wasn't random) Back to work. GOOd luck. Diego Garcia Buenos Aires.Argentina.