From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of REFLECTING SKIN [reflectingskin@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 11:30 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Ethnic disease weapons (Streiber, the Greys and the US Govt) It's funny Whitley Streiber wrote Communion and all of those books, and at the same checks was receiving checks from the US Govt for writing them...hmmm I smell Psyops...anyone else? Stanford Freeman is the same way, and I suspect Bob Lazar as well, most of the WAY out alien conspiracy guys (and MUFON) have ties to the US Intelligence community...gee I wonder if some guy sits at a desk in the Pentagon writing up Alien Rectal Probe theories and passing them along to his contacts, laughing his merry ass off... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 6:06 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Leo, is that you? In a message dated 00-03-08 14:01:12 EST, EdDrWho@aol.com took leave of his senses and wrote: << People swear I look like him. >> Don't forget to add that tidbit to your NPC writeup. That will guarantee you oodles of respect and deference in the years to come. Normally, I'd worry about someone trying to kick my ass after a dissing like that, but since we know what *you* look like..... ;-P Ba dum ching! Thank you. All part of the show folks. I *kid*. I kid because I love. It's love that brings us together and surely it is love that has brought the Grand Total - so far - to 23 gazillion simoleons. Well, love - and perhaps these Channel 23 sweatshirts, daypacks and coffee mugs. If you call the number at the bottom of the screen, 1-800-867-5309, you can have one or all of these great gifts if you pledge with an Acolyte, Adept or Lord membership. Seniors and students have the option of a special Glovecleaner membership, which includes a subscription to Night Channels, our lunar monthly magazine. Love is why we are always having this telethon. Love is why we have always been having this telethon. Love. We love crippled, diseased, dying kids. And we love watching crippled, diseased, dying kids. Twisted, starving, crawling kids that the networks won't show you. Abused and tortured kids that you won't get on cable or satellite. But we need your support. So, before we go back to the ambiguously gendered adventures of EdDrWho and the Dalicks, call the number on the bottom of the screen.... Mark McFadden Has been watching public television lately. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 11:12 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The King in Yellow: The Movie Greetings. Here's one for the growing collection of our scaly and slithering friend in LA ;> ------------------------------------ Il Re in Giallo (The King in Yellow) - DeLaurentiis/Titanus, 1968 (Released 1999?). Dir. Mario Bava, feat. Bekim Femiu, Barbara Steele, Daria Nicolodi, Gastone Moschin. Technicolor, 112 min. (?) The second film feature by director Bava (that in 1965 co-scripted it with his son Lamberto, adapting the play of the same name) from the days of his brief and fateful tenure with producer Dino De Laurentiis, 'Il Re in Giallo' follows both thematically and visually the 1966 masterpiece 'Operazione paura', and marks the return of the director to the fields of both 'giallo' and period themes after two years of self-imposed exile. Produced using the surplus budget from 'Diabolik' (that Bava shot in earnest using only a rough sixth of the original 3 million dollars available), 'Il Re in Giallo' couples Bava's trademark camerawork and dreamlike atmospheres with state of the art special effects by long time cohort Carlo Rambaldi, in recreating the increasingly claustrophobic palace/trap in which the disturbing mock-Elizabethan drama unfolds. Disagreements with the financers during the post production phase led to the shelving of the project, and later De Laurentiis tried to sue Bava for breach of contract and failure to deliver. The matter was settled out of court and marked the end of the collaboration of the director with the famous but somewhat erratic Italian production tycoon. Footage from the unreleased movie was later used by Bava (a master of retrofitting and jury-rigging) in his 'L'ecologia del delitto' (1971, also reprising, to comedic effect, some of the elements of the original plot) and the highly dubious 'La casa dell'esorcismo' (1975, credited to 'Mickey Lion'). Many of the Rambaldi effects were similarly re-used in the TV version of the Odissey that Bava co-directed later in 1968. A version of 'Il Re in Giallo', put together from restored original footage following Mario and Lamberto Bava's post-production notes, to be released in the year 2000 (the 20th anniversary of the director's death) supposedly premiered in 1999 as part of the Turin Cinema Festival (where it was scheduled to follow a joint John Carpenter/Dario Argento conference), but later failed to obtain general distribution. [source: Dizionario dei Generi e dei Registi Italiani, Edizioni UTET, Torino, XXVI ed., Torino, 2000] -------------------------------------------------- Special thanks to John for the suggestion.... > I think the best director would be Dino De >Laurentis, you know he could kind of do it like Army >of Darkness, a spoofy horror eldritch thing... Happy viewing! Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of John Sherman [thothi72@dellnet.com] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 5:24 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Local Law Enforcement (Roger Moore don't read) ----- Original Message ----- From: Graeme Price To: Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 11:04 AM Subject: Re: DG: Local Law Enforcement (Roger Moore don't read) Ok, here is the straight poop about USAMRIID, The US Army has no jurisdiction over control over domestic outbreaks. Unless deemed a national emergency by the Prez. The CDC&P will send samples, use their facilities and cooperate with the Army, yet control will either be with the CDC or FEMA or Dept of Health. If USAMRIID has an MJ12 front going on, then obviously they will cover both international (US Army) and domestic, (CDC). Boom, the CDC MJ12 guy will send it to Army MJ12 guy, and dependant upon how rash the agent is, and how public it has already gone, the CDC will seize operational control of the situation and coordinate with the Army's resources to enforce the quarantine...as per the movie Outbreak. The CDC tends to get along with the Army on a professional basis, but differ on an obvious philosophical basis. This is the fastest way for DG to lose control. When many different agencies are poking around, the DG agents are in effect driven underground. There is no reason why someone (the agent in the CDC) will be given control (unless that is their actual position and in that case should not be in the field in the first place) Why send a Colonel to do a job a Private can do? This is similar to when I ran "The New Age and Ascension", my agents called in the national guard to take down Valiant. The only thing they did that made sense was pin the situation on a pansy in the local St Louis FBI (poor bastard). Bad alignment karma, but it saved their asses. Your guys can do the same, and the pansy has to be set up so that it is very obviuously "their" fault. If your group does not do well in terrorist/ guerilla tactics who have no official power, they might be screwed. My DG superiors have no qualms about silencing stupid PCs who threaten exposure of their entire operation. Anyway, have fun and this is the time not to pull punches. I like your ACLU touch heheheh bloodthirsty lawyers with too much time on their hands heheheh. I hope I was a little help. JP From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Daniel Harms [dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 7:49 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: origins of the magna mater At 08:25 AM 3/9/2000 -0500, you wrote: >IIRC, the worship of the Magna Mater originated in Asia Minor (Cybele). You could assume that the worship of the Magna Mater (in various forms - Cybele, Rhea, etc.) spread around the Mediterranean basin. Mr. Kaye! I'm surprised that in your excellent and cogent reply, you completely failed to mention that Lovecraft wrote a story called "The Rats in the Walls", in which Cybele and her cult plays an important, if unspecified, role. Perhaps someone should try to place that into the Skoptsi framework... As penance, I'm dispatching you to look for the infamous Harms pyramid, which no man has seen and lived. At least, not to my knowedge. Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu The Internet: Learn what you know. Share what you don't. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 7:55 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The King in Yellow: The Movie In a message dated 00-03-09 12:17:53 EST, you write: << Here's one for the growing collection of our scaly and slithering friend in LA ;> Il Re in Giallo (The King in Yellow) - DeLaurentiis/Titanus, 1968 (Released 1999?). >> A) Is it on DVD yet? :-) B) It goes without saying that this belongs in the Ice Cave and really should be the start of a tradition. Along with Maltin's review of Roger Corman's KiY. C) Just reading the titles of Bava's work on imdb.com is evocative D) And I have *got* to make a concerted effort to see more of these besides Black Sunday and Danger:Diabolik. E) "In the films The Evil Eye (1963) and Blood and Black Lace (1964) he created the style and substance of the giallo, a genre which would be perfected in the later films of Dario Argento." it says in the mini-bio on the Internet Movie Database. So what, exactly, is the style and substance of "the yellow"? F) When you consider his history of work with other directors and association with innovative camera and SFX work, the genre he worked in (most often), the primo bitchin' titles and the mysterious giallo, Bava seems a good candidate for rumours of Mythos machinations. Mark McFadden Has anyone else thought of Terry Gilliam as a choice to direct the remake? From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 8:10 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: History of Psychological Warfare I was letting the "psyops at CNN" thing pass, because it was just too obviously sinister to get me going. I just don't think that the spin control is ever that overt. But there was something about the Army's explanation that was so reasonable that the implications just slid by. They were at CNN to learn how to handle *massive* amounts of info and product. That's not the sort of skill set you need to make Hostage Party Mix tapes, or leaflets or articles for the resistance newsletter. So, are they planning to expand? Start their own cable channel? Do more work closer to home? Preventive maintenance? Mark McFadden From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of John Sherman [thothi72@dellnet.com] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 8:24 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: History of Psychological Warfare You know, if PSYOP was doing any dark sinister stuff, I kinda wish I was in on it. that would make my Faustian deal (aka enlistment for college money) a lot more interesting. If we learn anything from CNN regarding handling massive amounts of information, I hope it translates into my office. Anyway, I started a Psyop theme in my group and they just love the dramatic irony...they're all Special Forces type guys...what a bunch of geeks, I love 'em. I'm going to integrate the outlook program in with Psyop I think it'll be fun your obedient servant JP ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 9:10 PM Subject: Re: DG: Re: History of Psychological Warfare > I was letting the "psyops at CNN" thing pass, because it was just too > obviously sinister to get me going. I just don't think that the spin control > is ever that overt. > But there was something about the Army's explanation that was so reasonable > that the implications just slid by. > They were at CNN to learn how to handle *massive* amounts of info and > product. > That's not the sort of skill set you need to make Hostage Party Mix tapes, > or leaflets or articles for the resistance newsletter. > So, are they planning to expand? Start their own cable channel? Do more work > closer to home? > Preventive maintenance? > > Mark McFadden > From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 8:50 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: The DELTA GREEN FAQ~! On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Matt Cowger wrote: > > > Here are the some of the obvious ones: > > Is this the Delta Green FAQ or the Delta Green newsgroup FAQ? I think a little of both. Questions on this mailing list will pertain directly to the intellectual property, and "newsgroup" questions are more along the lines of meta-questions which would be few and far between. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 8:54 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The DELTA GREEN FAQ~! On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Jay Dugger wrote: > Q: *.* > A: Check ICE CAVE. (Provide the URL, of course. Give a few pointers about > using the search engine.) Yes, I am doing this, but the ICE CAVE is not user friendly to new users. A FAQ exists to serve as an intro to the list as well as a distilled version of the threads on ice. Besides, everyone else has one :) The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:48 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The DELTA GREEN FAQ~! On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 Appelion@aol.com wrote: > The idea of the MiB accepting input from anyone, least of all me, is bizzare, I accept input from *everyone*, I just take the good parts and call it mine. Watch the evolution of this FAQ thing and EH and so forth. > >Q: What is the precise relationship between Agents and Friendlies? > A: Whatever you want. They can be outside experts (your old university > professor), your wife (in-game), or de facto agents. Most friendlies are not > familiar with Delta Green's history or structure, but indutably some are. > They are almost always kept on a need to know basis (i.e. they are only told > information they need. DG's history is almost never needed, and neither is > contact information for other friendlies). The most common kind of _player_ > friendly is an "agent" with no knowledge beyond that necessary for the > current op, and any memories they have of previos ops. By contrast, most > friendlies in general are more like Carssandra from ROE, or Dr. > Graem-err...Grant Emerson. Very few know even DG's basic mission, or the > fact that it is unsanctioned by the government. What I have gathered so far is that Agents get a letter, are more trusted by A-cell; thus getting more info about friendlies, equipment support, the Mythos etc. The most important distinction is that Agents are aware that Delta Green is illegal, making them criminals. Friendlies, on the underhand, are listed on the DG secure servers for Agents to review. This list also exists to throw off anyone who breaks the DGSS encryption, preserving Agents at the cost of the friendlies. When recruiting Agents, preference is given to military (especially intelligence) and law-enforcement personnel. Otherwise, Friendlies help because they have encountered the Mythos and think DG is a good-guy sanctioned government operation. > >Q: How do I run an online game via email (PBEM) or chatroom? > A: Don't. This spits in the face of all online players. You'll notice that there is an AOL transcript of a Pagan session of the New Age scenario. Admit it, you are just too stupid to figure out how that stuff works. > Delta Green/DGML Acronyms > > ObDG: Someone else write this one. I never have figured out what > this stands for. This stands for Obligatory DG, and was stolen directly from alt.tasteless (ObT:) by none other than my own damn self. It is a cultural pressure to be on topic, as well as an excuse to fart around and then say something vaguely resembling topical material. > List of Pre-Owned Cells (those in use). > I have omitted cells present only in scenarios, 'cuz that's easy to change. They should be included for completeness. Ideally, page references for the Agents should be included. Mailing list Cells will conflict, but should be included anyway. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of box_nine@ix.netcom.com Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 2:12 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Mr. Harms' Pyramid Actually, the pyramid Mr. Harms alludes to can be found (online) at: http://www.weirdnj.com/stories/pyramidtomb.htm It's right in beautiful North Bergen - East Coast DG field trip, anyone? Steven Kaye Loves his home state sometimes From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Appelion@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 11:05 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: UA/Postmodern Magic In a message dated 3/10/00 11:38:48 AM, russellm@shell.fastlane.net writes: >has a >female wearing a yellow-sign tank top on it? Yeah, but who is it? 'Cuz so far all the UA supplements have Pagan staff types on 'em. 'One Shots' is Dennis Detwiller, 'Lawyers, Guns, and Money' is pagan's Ed, and the man second from the right on the upper row on the cover of Countdown is John Tynes. >another JT fanboy I met him! I met him! Xavier Some people idolize rock stars. But I'm too twisted for that... From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Colin Creitz [cocst6+@pitt.edu] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 11:49 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The King in Yellow: The Movie While we're on the subject (the HTMLoid stuff is supposed to be human readable...), from VideoHound's Golden Movie Retriever 2000: The King in Yellow woof! 1980 (unrated) Rightfully shelved for nearly twenty years, now providentially exposed to celluloid-destroying sunlight. Burton has his directorial debut under the pseudonym "Bob Barrett" in this amateurish film version of what is reputed to be an unperformable play. At least this gives him an excuse! Look for a nigh-unidentifiable Daniel Stearns as the title character, a very young Leonardo, and an uncredited Bernadette Peters (fresh off of the success of "The Jerk") as Cassilda. Almost, but not quite, earns a bone for effort on its beautiful, but wasted, set design. 115m/C VHS Bernadette Peters, Leonardo Dicaprio, Daniel Stearns; D: "Bob Barrett" (Tim Burton); M: F.M. Einheit. ART I shudder. This version is only 1/1d3. How about: Le roi aux lambeaux jauns The King with Yellow Rags 1929 Thought by many to be an inspiration for 1995's "Seven," this bone-jarring surrealist masterpiece draws on the talents of a Dali still at the peak of his powers to disturb to depict the wholesale descent of postwar European society into madness. A ghost observes scene after scene of glutted excess, until a wealthy king in a pauper's wardrobe acts on his suggestions and builds an asylum large enough to hold all of a city reminescent of the Paris of Dada and absinthe. Dali's mattes exceed modern Hollywood's best special effects for sheer otherness, and Man Ray, as cinematographer, does justice to the Surrealist program of turning the eye to the world of dreams. 69m/B VHS, DVD Max Ernst, Marie Berthe Ernst, Paul Eluard, Salvador Dali, Simone Marevil; D: Luis Bunuel; W: Luis Bunuel, Salvador Dali. HHT I like 1d3/1d8 for this one. Hell, I might charge 0/1 for Bunuel's RL movie Un chien andalou, a vector of Hastur if ever there were one. ------------------------ Colin Creitz [cocst6@pitt.edu] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Joseph Camp [alphonse@delta-green.com] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 1:35 AM To: dgrpg Subject: Re: DG: UA/Postmodern Magic >Yeah, but who is it? 'Cuz so far all the UA supplements have Pagan staff >types on 'em. 'One Shots' is Dennis Detwiller, 'Lawyers, Guns, and Money' >is pagan's Ed, and the man second from the right on the upper row on the cover >of Countdown is John Tynes. Brian, not Ed, but yes, he is a staffer there. I don't believe the cover art of _Postmodern Magick_ is of anyone acquainted with the company. be seeing you, Alphonse From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 6:54 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: TKiY: The Concept Album (was :The Movie) Greetings. A heartfelt tip of the hat and kudos to Colin for unhearting the Bunuel connection. >I like 1d3/1d8 for this one. Hell, I might charge 0/1 for Bunuel's RL >movie Un chien andalou, a vector of Hastur if ever there were one. Indeed! In the meantime, I've been exploring 'other media' looking for the King ------------------------------ . The King in Yellow - Edward Kelly - Epic/Carcosa, 1970. Not a Motown unknown but a band-with-the-name-of-a-guy (Jethro Tull style), complete with early-progressive trappings like an Escher/Piranesi-style cover and a logo that looks just like the one from Blue Oyster Cult. Can you say King Crimson ripoff? I knew you could. While this curio never achieved hit status, it remains one of the most cherished and sought-after collector's item, thanks to the impressive and eclectic lineup of 'external collaborators' deployed, including the likes of Fleetwood Mac's Peter Green, Felix Pappalardi (later of Mountain), George Edwards and Tony Cavallary (of H.P. Lovecraft), Peter Daltrey (of Kaleidoscope), and Brit blues legend Graham Bond, plus the ubiquitous Flo & Eddie. Paul Rothchild (of Rhinoceros fame) produced, with Genya Ravan (aka Goldie of 'Goldie and the Gingerbreads'). A major effort that went nowhere. Look out for the yellow-vinyl promo copies that were supposedly distributed only on the Japanese market. [from One Hit Wonders - the Collectible Unknowns, Kaleidoscope Vinyl Press, 1987] ------------------------------ Happy listening. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 7:23 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: UUU movie about the King in Yellow Greetings. An unholy alliance between the Man in Black and the Lizard King was forged.... ><< You might be being a little ridiculous here. The best way to keep a UUU >movie about the King in Yellow would be to have the film *already* in >existence. >> > > We, the delegation from the sovereign state of Saurus, the hardest working >sentients in showbiz, cast all of our 23 votes to the MiB in support of his >statement. > I really think making a new KiY (now with UUU and new Fresh scent) is >flogging a staggering horse. > > Now, finding older or "lost" copies, or reels of test footage, or that sort >of thing is more along the lines of a KiY story. > Rather than making the Carcosa/KiY linkage explicit, consider having the >director someone who is coming under the influence of the KiY. I like this one a lot, of course. On the other hand, I've been toying with another take on the subject. Time and again, 'The King in Yellow' surfaces in our everyday world - it can be a novel, a play, a movie, a record, even just a painting on a cave wall. How comes? I do not know (yet). Maybe the human brain is hardwired so that the basic memes that we can group under the header of 'TKiY' simply spring up once in a while, and a guy has to put them down in some form. Or they are free-floating out there waiting for the right receptor. Or maybe they filter through in our reality from 'somewhere else'. Maybe Hastur is at the origin - the fictional concept of 'The King in Yellow' might be one expression of Hastur in this universe, just like a circle is the expression of a sphere on a two-dimension surface. Expression/impression? Anyway, any generation has its King in Yellow. And it is not some kind of sneaky, creepy, hard to catch but shattering detail somewhere (that's the purpose of the Yellow Sign - sneaking up and getting you). When it comes, the King in Yellow is as blatant, in-your-face and public as possible. It's the King in Yellow (TM) - Accept no sobstitute. It's made readily available and circulated. It causes 'some trouble'. Then, it simply fades away, as fashions and fads would. [Does someone remember Rubik Cubes? Can you still solve them?] Maybe the collective unconscious deletes it, isolates it in some dark corner of our past history. Dead and buried. [Do you still _talk_ about Rubik Cubes?] We no longer remember it, and most of us would shrug off a copy of the French drama or a BETAMAX of the old movie should we chance upon them at a garage sale. Oh, maybe it was an important feature in our life for a season, some time ago - maybe it heavily influenced our attitude ('That bitch! Who does she think she is, Cassilda?') and the way we related to other back then (where we dumped because she was too much like Cassilda?), but today.... Maybe even Trekkies outgrow Star Trek. [Some of course do not - they remember and buy that old book at the garage sale. But we know what those artsy, over-sensitive guys are liable to get from their passion of the relics of an older age, right?] Then another King in Yellow comes, and we shake our heads and say 'Kids! It was just the same in my time....' Oh, yes. It was. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 11:11 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Memes links Greetings. Just a little find during an academical-oriented surfing bout. Some of us (including yours truly) do sometimes blurt out the word 'meme'. Well, here's some more on the subject, for the curious readers http://users.lycaeum.org/~sputnik/Memetics/ Take care. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Philip A Posehn [paposehn@juno.com] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 3:40 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Delta Green once again surfaces in real life In an article in today's Sacramento Bee which ought to also be in the LA Times... "Police and FBI agents found 21 cannisters under a false floor in the home of Dr Harry C. Floyd...The cannisters were filled with thousands of rounds of ammunition, including belted machine gun rounds. They found six more buried in his yard. "We don't know what's inside but we believe they are filled with illegal weapons and hazardous materials" Ford's lawyer said Fri. night he had been told by police they believe the doctor may have had enough bacteria to wipe out a country. Dr. Ford worked with the CIA for 20 years, formerly worked for the government on chemical weapons and had served as a consultant to the South African Defense Force, providing advice on protecting military personnell against biological attacks. He had also worked with the military during the gulf war. 2 weeks ago a masked gunmen wounded Ford's partner, Biofem Pharmacuticals chief James patrick Reiley. The 2 men had been working of a vaginal suppository to guard against the transmission of AIDS and expected to make millions. Before the police could question Ford he committed suicide. Ford left a suicide note claiming he was set up asking his attorney to prove it. Be seeing you, Phil Posehn ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 4:38 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Devil in your Hard Drive / Whack Linus Torvalds Chris I have a few ideas on this. Who would be especially interested in computers? I was rereading "the Shadow Out Of Time" and what struck me was the attention that the Great Race seemed to give to feeble human beings. Among the captive minds in that story there were- "some from the winged, the star-headed, half vegetable race of paleogean Antarctica, ..... five from the hardy coleopterous species immediately following mankind .. and several from the different branches of humanity." There was a list of fourteen named individuals from humanity's history ranging from 50,000 BC to 16,000 AD. 66,000 years of humanity scored fourteen (or more), while 1000,000,000 years of the Antarctic Old Ones scored "some" and the whole Beetle race (to which the Great Race will migrate) scored just five. Why this concentration on Hom Sap? The Great Race are Lovecraft's pattern for non-GOO success. They know how to survive. Their strategy involves an obsessive search for knowledge, unhesitating retreat from the really dangerous Mythos entities, and repeated (cultural) genocide via the usurping of other species' mindspace. However, the Great Race seem to be limited by the need to use technology to project their minds when they skip across time. Their mind projection is mechanical, not a native ability, and they are a machine-using species in contrast to (say) the Antarctic Old Ones, who have "retreated " from their technology-using phase. (The Antarctic Old Ones and the Mi-Go seem to prefer the biological to the mechanical). I suggest that the Great Race need mechanical-technology using species to project their minds into. Mechanical technology is a peculiarity they share with humanity and with only a few other intelligent species (including, presumably, the posthuman Beetles). That is why they pay more attention to us than our wretched status would justify. So, maybe they are looking to download into our _computers_, not our biological minds - bypassing animal evolution altogether. This would be no problem for them. After all they are completely detatched from their original biological source (on Yith?), and now exist only as a self-replicating pattern in matter. As easy to copy into silicon as into a human mind. Probably easier. However, I doubt our computer networks are fit for the Great Race yet. Elaborations on this immediately suggest themselves - - Uber-geeks doing wonderful things for computer technology who are actually possessed by the Great Race ("Why the hell does A-cell want us to whack Linus Torvalds?") - "Native" AI's developing within our own little primaeval cybernetic soup and their conflict with the immigrants - other Mythos oriented cybernetic intrusions (from who?) - Great Race-possesed supercomputers fighting to delay the End Times (the Great Race seem to believe we will last till at least 16000 AD. And they should know. Alternative time-lines?) Alliance, betrayal, misunderstanding, confusion. MJ-12 looking for a new source of alien tech. If the Great Race is set to jump to the Beetles, why bother with us or our computers? Maybe they need a halfway base camp for their move to really competent species. Maybe the Beetles are not by nature technology-using and they want to bury "time capsules" of tools and information that the Great-Race - possessed Beetles will dig up. Maybe it's a rebel sub-group. Maybe they are just curious to see what a metal body feels like. I doubt anyone will tell us the truth, and the possibilites are endless. Andy R ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Sorisio To: Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 5:22 AM Subject: DG: Devil in your Hard Drive > Not sure whether to laugh as I read this, cry, or slowly walk backwards in > a careful search for the nearest exit. > > OTOH, what if some Mythos entity were attempting to contact the human herd > through their computers? It seems like such a nice safe device, after > all, *I* control the power button, right? *I'm* in control, I don't have > to go into that #hotpornbaby chatroom unless *I* really want to. And just > because my friend on AOL goes by the name eaterofsouls doesn't mean that > his idea to take a rifle to school is devoid of merit, right? And after > playing all those hours of Quake III, I have been conditioned not to think > twice about reducing my fellow humans to small gibbits of flesh. > > << Disclaimer: It's only a game. It's only a game. The above is merely > an idea for a gaming scenario. >> > > http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/stories/1745.html > > -- > Chris Sorisio > macros@twd.net > > > > From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 11:10 AM To: The MiB's Mailing List Subject: DG: STROBE CRYSTAL I'm about halfway done with the sequel to GLASS FOREST (as if anyone cared) but wanted to give this small list of URLs out to see if anyone throws something interesting out in the open for me to incorporate. Also, if anyone's actually been to French Guyana/Kourou I would like to get a brief description from the gamer's perspective (ie what is easy to blow up :) Just remember, if I get a good reaction, it speeds up the time for me to complete the next MEMCON :) GLASS FOREST: http://www.delta-green.com/opint/reports/rf_3305.html The Delta Green Textbook Case for NEST: http://www.delta-green.com/opensource/textbook/nest.html A Fortean Times article on unusual skyfalls: http://www.forteantimes.com/artic/124/fbi.html A brief overview of the ELA-2 Launch facility: http://www.arianespace.com/spaceport_o_intro.html The Combined Release and Radiation Effects Satellite: http://tide1.space.swri.edu/crres.html WARBIRD, which is part of: http://www.delta-green.com/opint/raredocs/rd_kill.html Info on the theory that rocket exhaust damages the ionisphere: http://www.latrobe.edu.au/www/crcss/eagle.html#holes The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Chris Sorisio [macros@twd.net] Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 11:47 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Bill Joy, Human Extinction, and 2030 Interesting article on some commentary by Bill Joy as reported by the Washington Post. Bill Joy is the co-founder and chief architect of Sun Microsystems, and the article goes over his comments on the terrifying power possible for computers by 2030, the dangers of self-replicating nanotechnology, bio-genetic terrorism, and the One Lone Madman. Nothing that hasn't been said before, but still fun. http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/2000-03/12/215l-031200-idx.html -- Chris Sorisio macros@twd.net From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 3:58 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: STROBE CRYSTAL You don't give us a lot of clues. There's something about a breaking NASA mission to map the magnetosphere at http://image.gsfc.nasa.gov/ If this scenario is about identifying the COS with some sort of "plasma creature" you might get some wierd type inspiration from images of the Geopause (where the Earth's magnetic field and the Solar wind meet) at http://www.geophys.washington.edu/Space/papers/ics4/ and from models of the Heliopause (where the Solar Wind meets the local interstellar medium) at http://spaceprojects.arc.nasa.gov/Space_Projects/pioneer/path.html and http://web.mit.edu/space/www/voyager/voyager_science/helio.review/axford.sue ss.html and http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/heliosph.html I assume the creature must be enormously extended and rarified while making interstellar journeys but become more compressed in atmosphere. Interstellar space is full of jets, expanding bubbles, turbulence, shock waves, boundary planes, winds and currents, which would be as significant to plasma creatures as the boundary between land and water is to us, though they are all made of various grades of hard vacuum. There are even noises in interstellar space - twenty octaves or so below what we can hear. Maybe relevant, maybe not. Andy R ----- Original Message ----- From: The Man in Black To: The MiB's Mailing List Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 5:09 PM Subject: DG: STROBE CRYSTAL > I'm about halfway done with the sequel to GLASS FOREST (as if anyone > cared) but wanted to give this small list of URLs out to see if anyone > throws something interesting out in the open for me to incorporate. > > Also, if anyone's actually been to French Guyana/Kourou I would like to > get a brief description from the gamer's perspective (ie what is easy to > blow up :) > > Just remember, if I get a good reaction, it speeds up the time for me to > complete the next MEMCON :) > > GLASS FOREST: > http://www.delta-green.com/opint/reports/rf_3305.html > > The Delta Green Textbook Case for NEST: > http://www.delta-green.com/opensource/textbook/nest.html > > A Fortean Times article on unusual skyfalls: > http://www.forteantimes.com/artic/124/fbi.html > > A brief overview of the ELA-2 Launch facility: > http://www.arianespace.com/spaceport_o_intro.html > > The Combined Release and Radiation Effects Satellite: > http://tide1.space.swri.edu/crres.html > > WARBIRD, which is part of: > http://www.delta-green.com/opint/raredocs/rd_kill.html > > Info on the theory that rocket exhaust damages the ionisphere: > http://www.latrobe.edu.au/www/crcss/eagle.html#holes > > The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins > Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum > "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead > http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] > > > From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Steven Kaye [box_nine@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 4:56 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: UUU movie about the King in Yellow At 2:22 PM +0100 3/11/00, Davide Mana wrote: > > >Anyway, any generation has its King in Yellow. >And it is not some kind of sneaky, creepy, hard to catch but shattering >detail somewhere (that's the purpose of the Yellow Sign - sneaking up and >getting you). >When it comes, the King in Yellow is as blatant, in-your-face and public as >possible. >It's the King in Yellow (TM) - Accept no sobstitute. >It's made readily available and circulated. >It causes 'some trouble'. >Then, it simply fades away, as fashions and fads would. I'd go farther than this - not merely any generation, but any culture. And the plot changes, as do the characters and the media. So it's not just a book that makes you feel creepy, but a set of ancient Greek statues, an Indonesian puppet play, a Chinese opera, etc. Ever notice how much metatextuality and self-reference there is involving the Mythos? We have - THE KING IN YELLOW (readers/viewers/whatevers become obsessed with the plot, even going so far as to imagine themselves as part of the work) - The 12th book of the REVELATIONS OF GLAAKI (read about Y'Golonac and Y'Golonac pays a visit) - Various idols in Lin Carter stories cause their owners to receive images from the minds of the Great Old Ones Steven ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Steven Kaye box_nine@ix.netcom.com Reason - rationality - is a concentration camp, where the sets of concepts for surviving in a chaotic universe form vast, though finite, rows of huts, separated into blocks by electric fences, which the searchlights of Attention rove over, picking out now one group of huts, now another. Thoughts, like prisoners - imprisoned for their own security and safety - scurry and march and labour in a flat two-dimensional zone, forbidden to leap fences, gunned down by laser beams of madness and unreason if they try to. Ian Watson, THE EMBEDDING