From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Daniel Harms [dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 12:25 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Beauty and the Mythos / The Vibe (long) Playing devil's advocate: At 11:24 PM 3/14/2000 -0000, Andy Robertson wrote: >But it is absurd to imagine that this GOO (or any other) has any special >orientation to humanity. So we are forced to conclude that She can analyse >all the aspects of sexual attraction in _any_ species and construct "lures" >superior to the natural versions very quickly and automatically. >However, one thing remains obvious. An effort like this, stretching across >light years, is not done for trivial reasons. If HASTUR is sending >messages across such distances IT expects to harvest something, mental >world-stuff, consciousness, ideas, "qualia", to be melted down and >remoulded into ITS own flesh. My difficulty with this theory (which may turn out to be a minor one) is that it includes a notion of "need" which I find aesthetically troublesome with regard to the Great Old Ones. To use a different analogy here, a cancer does not "need" to grow - it does, as part of its nature. I might be more willing to accept that the GOOs' intrusions in certain areas are not so much efforts on their part to obtain us as merely an unthinking re-entrance into our dimension in a path of least resistance, and that these paths are determined by the individual GOO's template (whatever that may be). As for Hastur - I'm not sure It's broadcasting to us. The signals, which may be already garbled, might not be intended for the same ends as they were sent out (if there are reasons for their sending), but for some other purpose. Human minds may be resonators, but that doesn't mean we're getting the right message (or understanding it). Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu The Internet: Learn what you know. Share what you don't. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 1:00 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: A typical question from a typical day at work In a message dated 3/14/00 8:26:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, mib@cyberspace.org writes: << The Man in Black is : glad to have stopped the gerbil invasion cold. >> And we are all properly grateful, although I still wonder where they all *went* after you...uh...corraled them. Mark McFadden I also wonder if the infusion of gerbils has changed your stance on Tibet? :-P From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Daniel Harms [dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 12:00 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: UUU movie about the King in Yellow >Ever notice how much metatextuality and self-reference there is >involving the Mythos? We have >- THE KING IN YELLOW (readers/viewers/whatevers become obsessed with >the plot, even going so far as to imagine themselves as part of the >work) >- The 12th book of the REVELATIONS OF GLAAKI (read about Y'Golonac >and Y'Golonac pays a visit) >- Various idols in Lin Carter stories cause their owners to receive >images from the minds of the Great Old Ones C'mon. Let's go for the gusto: * Books with countless editions, translations, and commentaries * Books that quote and reference previous authors and books * Letters and diaries which discuss, quote, and dispute these books * Stories in which the characters have read books by Lovecraft and other authors ObDG: Has anyone integrated the DG source material into their DG setting? Who's really funding Pagan? If it were possible for thought and belief to affect reality, and therefore create new realms, could the DG setting then produce itself (old-timers will already remember the infamous Club Apocalypse in Mr. Tynes' hometown)? And if this is true, could it be possible that PARIAH could GO BACK IN TIME AND THEREBY CREATE THE SETTING AND GIVE BIRTH TO HIMSELF, MAKING ALL OF US ON THE MAILING LIST HIS UNWITTING PARENTS AND CHILDREN? Oops. Got carried away there. But don't forget, it's the paranoid guy who's always right in the stories. Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu The Internet: Learn what you know. Share what you don't. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 2:02 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: The Vibrating Hune On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, David Farnell wrote: > It was, but I didn't want to cloud the issue with introducing more musings > on that curious organ. Well, I have no such reservations. > Back in that Byakhee Thread, someone (Davide, Mark, > or me, I think) came up with the idea that the hune is a > receiver/transmitter for deep-space signals, as well as an engine for > interstellar flight. The otherwise-useless (in space) wings act as antennae. I think the Byakhee wings flap in a manner similar to the Mi-Go: beating on other dimensional matter. The Field Guide says that the paramagnetic Hune generates a space/time pattern called a keim, within which FTL is possible. Antennae (in the radio connotation) receives and transmits, so having the hune and the wings do this is redundant and exposes the incredible stupidity of your theory. I'm thinking that the Hune is an *amplifier* of the signals received by the wings/brain/whatever. That sounds so much more sillier. The Man in Black is : the guy who deliberately put capacitors in reversed. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 2:14 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: The Vibe On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Daniel "the human crack" Harms wrote: > What are you talking about with this "Dan Harms Memorial Ru- > AAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHH! Guys, you have to hand it to Danny here. The amount of willpower and dedication it took to type in the "AAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHH!" he yelped while receiving the twirling wedgie of doom was truly astounding. The Hanes underwear company should also be lauded for the amazing physical integrity of their product (inspected by number seven). Fear not, wedgie fans, soon the bungie wedgie will be available for those small people who dare to annoy me. The Man in Black is : chartering a scientific research helicopter. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 2:32 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: A typical question from a typical day at work On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/14/00 8:26:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, > mib@cyberspace.org writes: > > << The Man in Black is : glad to have stopped the gerbil invasion cold. >> > And we are all properly grateful, although I still wonder where they all > *went* after you...uh...corraled them. > > Mark McFadden > I also wonder if the infusion of gerbils has changed your stance on Tibet? I am not filled with Gerbils, that is *another* falsehood perpetrated by those peckerheads in Puerto Rico. They were hereustically sealed into a bunch of 55 gallon drums and became a tiny little bit undead after some Cherenkov radiation exposure from the warp core. Damned Algorians never follow the proper logistical protocols. Can't fire 'em, you know... union. I have always hated Tibet, always will, but then I hate everyone. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jean-Loup Sabatier [sabatier@saint-etienne.tt.slb.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 3:14 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Me, myself, my life, my work... -<;O) Jean-Loup Sabatier, age 34, caucasian, 175cm 80kg, brown eyes, brown hair, bearded, wearing glasses. Degree : Computer science engineer from INSA Lyon. Occupation : Officially a computer programmer working for an european telecomunication company; but also an informer of the NSA (probably the NSA, but my contact didn't made that clear). In addition, this contact is a Delta Green agent of the H cell (codenamed Harry), and I send him regular reports with clues of "greys" activity in Europe for some times now (there are some concordant UFO observations, here, and that make us think that something is happening). To better pursue my mission, I'm keeping in touch with several members of the scientific team of the UFOCOM, a network of private people centralizing UFO observations and clues, and investigating them (By the way, the main UFOCOM URL is : "http://www.finart.be/UfocomHq/") STR 11 CON 12 SIZ 12 INT 15 POW 11 DEX 10 APP 11 EDU 17 SAN 52 HP 12 Art (Piano) 40%, Astronomy 10%, Biology 10%, Chemestry 30%, Cthulhu Mythos 10%, Computer use 75%, Dodge 15%, Drive 30%, Electrical repair 20%, Fast Talk 50%, Library 60%, Listen 30%, Litterature 35% (Sci-fi&Horror: 70%), Mathematics 60%, Occult 10%, Other Language (English) 55%, Own Language (French) 85%, Persuade 28%, Physics 50%, Programming 75 %, Rifle 30%, Role playing games 80%, Sneak 30%, Spot Hidden 20% (myopic), Swim 35% Jean-Loup From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of David Farnell [daf@iwa.att.ne.jp] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 10:49 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: The Vibe From: Jesper Anderson > > Yes, it is instantaneuos transmission, isn't it? > > Actually, if it was instantaneous it wouldn't follow the presence of > Aldebaran in the sky. It will only do this if there is a broadcast at > the speed of light. > > All according to Einsteinian models. :) D'OH! I hadn't had my morning tea yet. That's my excuse, and I'm standing by it. Dave From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Matt Cowger [mcowger@kc.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 1:30 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The Club Dumas > As if the claws and fists of scale wasn't enough, I have to say that your > review of Foucault's Pendulum was quite self-indulgent, poorly thought > out, and contains no information on the book's merits or flaws Wow, oddly much like your blazing gun detraction. Odd thing about art, be it book, painting or statue; it is subjective and while our detractor would have been better off saying "I thought it sucked because of this that and the other.." it was still just an opinion. Much like your opinion of that opinion. But then again that is...my opinion. ;) Funny thing about opinions, stack them high enough and they become meaningless...wow, spiral into that enough and the eye of Tyne's Hastur looks out at you. ;) just some thoughts, Matt C. and Ten Tech Central From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of David Farnell [daf@iwa.att.ne.jp] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 4:00 AM To: Delta Green List Subject: DG: Countdown Review Just to talk about something other than Hastur (and how come we haven't summoned any byakhee or a big wormy lizard yet?), I've just received the March issue of Science Fiction Age, which carries a review of DG: Countdown. The writer, Eric T. Baker, cites "Tiger Transit" and the international agencies list as his favorite parts, so pat yourselves on the back, fellow contributors. Dave From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of David Farnell [daf@iwa.att.ne.jp] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 3:55 AM To: Delta Green List Subject: DG: Re: The Vibe From: The Man in Black > On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, David Farnell wrote: > > > Well, it's just a metaphor. But I think it could indeed be that a physical > > structure in the brain is crucial--why not? True, HPL's stories allow for > > OBE, life-after-death (sometimes), that kind of thing, so the Mind can exist > > at least partly independent of the Flesh. > > Do you mean to imply that there are no ghosts in Carcosa? Please > elaborate. Now. Er...huh? Where did you spot that implication? Personally, I think Carcosa is a great place for ghosts. In fact, I think it should be chock-full of ghosts. But I do think that ghosts, having no meat-brains, tend to be pretty darned confused. Of course you could make the opposite argument, that losing that inefficient meat-brain actually "clears" the mind, har-har. > > Still, the physical structure and the OS are interlinked, obviously. We > > can't see without eyes and optic nerves. > > Most of the time, but Psychics and Ghosts are certainly exceptions. The > blind Clairvoyant sounds like a Kewl character. Yes, but are they actually "seeing" in the same sense that we do? It could be something more like sonar/radar, astral waves bouncing off and through objects. I admit I'm a bit weak in gobbledygook theory in this area--I'm more into the UFO side of paranormal theorizing. > > Actually, I was thinking of that as a possibility--my idea was that the > > artsy types (like young Wilcox from "The Call of Cthulhu") are more > > receptive to such mental "broadcasts," but whether this is a > > brain-structure/genetics thing, or that artsy folks are sensitized through > > their thought patterns, > > Maybe it's that their thinking isn't straight-jacketed which leaves them > more open to all that nasty. Yeah, their thought patterns. That's what I said--I didn't say which thought-patterns. Dave From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 4:20 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com; mark.mcfadden@warnerbros.com Subject: The Vibe or Particle depending on initial conditions (was: Re: DG:Re: The Vibe) In a message dated 3/14/00 8:37:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, mib@cyberspace.org writes: << And Lizardking? is wrong. Just because Aldebaran is required doesn't exclude Einstien. The light from that star is arriving in a very Einsteinian way as far as I can tell. Byakhee and HASTUR aside. >> I thought of that, and upon reflection think I was a bit premature in dismissing it as irrelevant. A) Because I was limiting my perception of Aldeberan in the sky to the visible spectrum, and B) I postulated the same during the Bad Moon Rising thread. But, I'm not abandoning the QUIP network, because it's apparently illogical and always capricious and prone to poetry. And too complex to fit in your head; if you can you missed something. It just seems to suit Hastur better than a straightforward wavelength model. Which is not to say that magickal engineers can't influence behavior and predict reactions good enough for government work. Newton was good enough for a long time, long enough to notice behavior you needed Einstein to explain. AND, if we remember the Two Hole Experiment, it's a wave *and* a particle depending on conditions. The anthropomorphic description of the THE, (and professionals feel free to chime in if I'm spewing meadow muffins) says that the light "decides" to be a particle and leaves shotgun patterns of light on a wall when coming through one hole, consistent with a particle metaphor. But the light "decides" to be a wave and displays interference patterns consistent with a wave model where light from two holes overlaps on a wall. We say the light "decides" to display these two mutually exclusive (overlapping shotgun blasts do not leave ripple patterns) behaviors because the opening of one or two shutters is left to a random process. However, to avoid saying the light had a say in the matter, we have to postulate a non-local connection between the light reflecting off of the wall over there and the hole(s) over here. The light coming through one or two holes must display the appropriate behavior by the time it gets to (and reflects from) the wall, or the hole(s) are calling the shots at the point of detection separated by distance and the speed of light. So which way do you like your causality to run? Don't look at me like that, I read it in a book. The Dancing Wu Li Masters IIRC. Also a doubting friend named Thomas who actually performed the experiment in his living room just to see for himself. So when I say I'm going to keep using the Vibe metaphor, that includes EM metaphors if it works and helps to visualize relationships and behavior. But I switch to a network of instantaneous connections regardless of coordinates in space/time which has lots of cool jargon and poetic and often confusing explanations if the alternative is Kenneth telling us the frequency....is being isolated by the 12th generation stolen-Good-Grey-technology AIs of the Endtimes PERIDOT protocols in support of the ARCHANGEL directive to design SQuID controlled phased-array foil hats to amplify Vril shields to block the Hastur rays for all critical DG personnel, GURPS stats to follow. Nossir, include me out. :-P So how do I have my cake and yet disgorge it to feed young? Aldeberan is in the sky, see? And people who know the significance see the light striking their retinas that came all the way from Aldeberan long long ago. And they, by perceiving it, reinforce/activate the QuIP connection/synapse, accepting and returning the handshake. XON/XOFF. CTS? Catch the wave or accept the packets. It's a floor wax AND a dessert topping. But that's just direct dialing. The light that originated from Aldeberan striking Earth is also an instantaneous connection back to Aldeberan, through QuIP. Which tastes great and is less filling. Or am I putting Descartes before the hearse? Mark McFadden Has been watching Dan Rather so much I'm missing my REM sleep. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 4:20 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: UUU movie about the King in Yellow In a message dated 3/14/00 10:53:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu writes: << Oops. Got carried away there. But don't forget, it's the paranoid guy who's always right in the stories. Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu >> What did I tell you? Too much *cross indexing*, if you know what I mean. Know what I mean? Mark McFadden Nudge nudge wink wink. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 4:20 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: HPL's Vibe In a message dated 3/14/00 8:48:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, daf@iwa.att.ne.jp writes: << HPL's style is sometimes not so great, true. However at his best, he is fantastic--but you must be in the right frame of mind to receive it! That was the point of my mentioning "The Colour out of Space"--I'd often just sped through it and taken it rather lightly in the past. I mean, the subject matter is somewhat lightweight compared to "The Call of Cthulhu" and "At the Mountains of Madness." >> The only Lovecraft I had read was the occasional inclusion of Cool Air or Pickman's Model or other stories that eventually got adapted for television in horror anthologies. Consequently, Lovecraft references and themes in other works went right by me. Then I was reading in some collection of writers on writing, and there was an essay by Stephen King on how to write horror stories. The point that stayed with me was the way he simply stated that if you were interested in writing horror, you were naturally a Lovecraft fan and were already writing Lovecraftian homages, he had an unsold trunk full of them. He recommended that you stop doing that if you wanted to make a living at writing. Of course, that was in the mid late 70s and he forgot that "That is not dead which can eternal lie," Sensitized to Lovecraft, I picked up Disciples of Cthulhu when I saw it on a paperback rack. Now I post to this mailing list. When reading Lovecraft inspired work, the element that hooked me was the feeling of it being part of a bigger whole. The cross references and returning cast of GOO that ties together the Mythos kind of pushed my collector and puzzle solver buttons. Those who choose to forgoe sex with other people and rudimentary attempts at personal hygiene can finally read enough Lovecraft inspired work to write a commonly used Mythos refence work (I *kid*. I kid because I love. Now get out of here ya hockey puck.) When reading HPL in his own words, yeah, kinda archaic. But I figured, you know, the 20s? That was like, ancient, right? And since I was still fluctuating between English and American spelling my ownself his usage didn't hurt my eyes. And I loved the breathless verbose passages with the sometimes awe-inspiring barrages that somehow didn't read like a guy with a thesaurus. I never saw anybody with so many ways to say "dark" or "indescribable". On the other hand, August Derleth sucks. Mark McFadden From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of David.Clements [David.Clements@astro.cf.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 4:38 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: The Vibe On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Jesper Anderson wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 10:06:11PM -0500, LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > > > > QUantum Inseparability Principle. Sorry, I've used the term before a > > few times, but that might have been when you were on vacation. The > > basic premise is that everything is connected on the quantum level > > because everything came from the same Big Bang. > > You'll have to make a couple of backup reasons for this > interconnectiveness as it appears some nasty scientists with a new > telescope are starting to blow holes in the big bang theory. Not something I've heard, and I am in the business. You might be thinking of the 'cosmic accelaration' that's come from observations of distant supernovae, but that is more a modification of the BB than a refutation.... > I don't have the URL handy, but I'll see if I can recover it from the > Big Bitbucket. Yes - I'd like to see this. ObDG: Telescopes on lonely mountain tops can be really spooky places to work at night. Especially with jet lag, caffine abuse and altitude sickness to make it even more interesting. Perhaps a good setting for a scenario???? From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Steven Kaye [box_nine@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 7:27 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Beauty and the Mythos / The Vibe (long) At 1:24 AM -0500 3/15/00, Daniel Harms wrote: >As for Hastur - I'm not sure It's broadcasting to us. The signals, which >may be already garbled, might not be intended for the same ends as they >were sent out (if there are reasons for their sending), but for some other >purpose. Human minds may be resonators, but that doesn't mean we're >getting the right message (or understanding it). Good template for this idea is Stanislaw Lem's HIS MASTER'S VOICE. What appears to be a message is detected in a stream of neutrinos, leading to much argument about whether it is in fact a message and if so what the proper translation is. Also useful for Keepers seeking inspiration for their own MJ-12s. Check out a review at http://world.std.com/~mmcirvin/hismastersvoice.html And for us original Outer Limits fans, let's not forget "The Galaxy Being," which points out some potential dangers of owning your own radio station. Steven ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Steven Kaye box_nine@ix.netcom.com Reason - rationality - is a concentration camp, where the sets of concepts for surviving in a chaotic universe form vast, though finite, rows of huts, separated into blocks by electric fences, which the searchlights of Attention rove over, picking out now one group of huts, now another. Thoughts, like prisoners - imprisoned for their own security and safety - scurry and march and labour in a flat two-dimensional zone, forbidden to leap fences, gunned down by laser beams of madness and unreason if they try to. Ian Watson, THE EMBEDDING From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 7:48 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The Club Dumas Greetings. SuperDave called us all to order.... >Gentlemen, may I remind you that this is not the LitCrit Forum? This is how >our more pointless threads usually seem to get started (and anyway, we've >thoroughly chewed on Eco before). Let's see a little ObDG here or at least >some humorous or cultural insight. OK, I've kept mum on this one so far as my feelings about Eco's opus are well known to most listmembers - as a novellist, Eco's a pretentious stuffed shirt, a cunning seller of what we call 'aria fritta' (fried air - just like the hot one, but greasier). I wonder how many readers did actually go to the lenght of reading the chunks of latin liberally sprinkled in 'The Name of the Rose' and get the meaning. I was able to read Latin as it were Italian back when I read the Rose, and I just skipped then anyway. I dunno - maybe foreign editions had the stuff annotated, but for us here in Italy, it was pure, unadulterated latin ranting. As for the Pendulum.... bah! Very little of those that bought it here in Italy actually did read it - fashionable magazines used to run articles about how to better fake having read and enjoyed the Pendulum. Anyway - from the above, here's a nifty snippet of cultural background that might be fun, or useful. File under 'Social Engeneering'. Here in Italy, even after all these years, being caught reading Umberto Eco's overestimated novels is a sure way to gain kudos in certain circles (let's say the upward mobile/socially climbing middle class). It always reminds me the old Woody Allen posturing 'I'm a guy that went through Finnegan's Wake in a single night'. Wielding a copy of one of the two most famous Eco novels is better than displaying a PhD. The fame of obscurity, high intellectualism and 'depth' of the books is such, that their mystic somehow rubs off on the reader in the eyes of all those that bought the book, removed the shrink-wrap and left the virgin tome on display on the cofee table as conversation opener. True story..... I was dating a certain young lady a pair of years back; the glossy kind of rich grown-up kid that wastes her days at the Club, by the poolside. Good brain, but little opportunities to use it. Sad. No kidding. Anyway, one day I'm waiting for her in the Club's hall - they do not let us proles further than that without a DNA test (the Sporting Club in Turin, this was, to be precise). So I'm standing there and there's a few ladies keeping an eye on me - I'm wearing my no-nonsense university jeans and vest and I'm just out of the lab after five hours of sample-washing. The young lady in question is fashionably late. I'm an invader and I'm obviously causing a bit of preoccupied curiosity in the ladies and their entourage. So, as this is going to be a long wait, I open my bag and (instead of the molotov cocktail that would probably be advisable, and espected) I take out a paperback of Eco's Pendulum. They came over and asked if I'd like a drink with while I was waiting. The book had turned me from a guy in casual attire into an Intellectual. How quaint. This kind of reaction is generally to be espected hereabouts. I was surprised by my current boss - which holds a degree in psychology or so he tells me - that still was quite impressed discovering that I was just like, well, sitting there and actually reading the name of the Rose. Curiously enough, it works only with Eco's fiction. Ironically, the heavyweight linguistics and semantics essays do not offer the same benefit. Go and talk about hype. So, has this all any vestige of DG-related meaning? Yes - do not underestimate the hype. Nine people out of ten that bought The King in Yellow did not actually read it. Nor did they go insane. They faked it. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Doug Streifel [khalnath@home.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 9:56 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: HPL's Vibe > On the other hand, August Derleth sucks. Hey now, let's try to show a little respect. I agree with you that he's not the best of authors, but if it wasn't for him we wouldn't likely still have all the HPL material that's been published lately. Most (if not all) of the compendiums that were published around the '70s all include thanks to Derleth for keeping his works alive. -- Doug Streifel "Backstreet's back allrigh- Gaaah!! No head!!!" Which is more evil, the Backstreet Boys or Y'Golonac? From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of REFLECTING SKIN [reflectingskin@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 10:15 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: Re: DG: Mission to Mars Michael Moore is the bomb. He's great, all of his shows have been funny, and his politics (for the most part) are dead on accurate. God Bless him as the ONLY example of the "liberal" media that I've ever seen. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of John Stanley [nytmair@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 10:14 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: HPL's Vibe I like this thread. It seems that opinions about Derleth's contribution to HPL are as varied as anything. IMHO Derleth brought a pretty obscure, and long dead writer's works in contact with a great many more readers than had occured previously, myself included...so for that alone I am grateful. Also I don't mind the evil/good spin he put towards the Mythos. Now some HPL puritans may find that statement repugnant but I like the whole conflict premise. Don't flame me too bad, I'm not saying Derleth was a great writer but I am saying that at least he contributed something to the genre', which is more than I can say for myself. --- Doug Streifel wrote: > > On the other hand, August Derleth sucks. > > > Hey now, let's try to show a little respect. I > agree with you that > he's not the best of authors, but if it wasn't for > him we wouldn't > likely still have all the HPL material that's been > published lately. > Most (if not all) of the compendiums that were > published around the > '70s all include thanks to Derleth for keeping his > works alive. > -- > Doug Streifel > "Backstreet's back allrigh- Gaaah!! No head!!!" > Which is more evil, the Backstreet Boys or > Y'Golonac? > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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