From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Matt Cowger [mcowger@kc.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 10:38 PM To: Secured Server1 Subject: DG: Above Black Here's one from the nether regions of weirdness that is the internet... http://www.aboveblack.com Matt C. +_+_+_+_+_+_+ Tenebrous Technologies- 'What we are up to is none of your business' A tradition in Guile, Deceit and Treachery since 1997 Matt Cowger, CEO mcowger@kc.rr.com http://home.gvi.net/~tenebrae Vox: (###)###-##### +_+_+_+_+_+_+ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of David Farnell [daf@iwa.att.ne.jp] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 1:08 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: The Club Eco From: Davide Mana > SuperDave called us all to order.... Well, I wasn't trying to squelch literary discussion, as someone else seemed to think. Just that, "Eco sucks" is pointless (tip of the hat to MiB), rude (to the readers, not the author), and vague (tip of the hat to Dr. Lizardo). Personally, I like literary discussion--it's what I got my MA in (now _that's_ pointless! bu-da-ching!). It's fine to talk about books (and movies), particularly those which touch on topics for this list, or which more peripherally give us insight into settings, cultures, technologies, etc. which are outside our experience, which we can then use to improve our game-playing. I just didn't want to see another Heinlein flare-up. And with the side-thread on Derleth that sprung up ("Mom, Mark was overestimating our intelligence again!"), you can see what I mean. > It always reminds me the old Woody Allen posturing 'I'm a guy that went > through Finnegan's Wake in a single night'. I knew a British woman who off-handedly claimed to have read Finnegan's Wake in a couple of weeks, easy as pie. I just smiled and thought, "You silly cow, you're not fooling anybody." BTW, if your players want to know why it's so hard to read a Mythos tome, tell them to try reading FW. (If they try to read it hard enough, they may also find out what SAN loss feels like.) > So, has this all any vestige of DG-related meaning? > Yes - do not underestimate the hype. > Nine people out of ten that bought The King in Yellow did not actually read > it. > Nor did they go insane. > They faked it. :-) These are the sort of folks who got invitations to that party in "Tiger." Despite it all, there is justice. And on another front, Mark McFadden wrote: > SuperDave innocently expanded on what he likes about Lovecraft, and what he > gained on re-reading. Pretty much OT on a list dedicated to playing in a > Mythos universe. True, but my intention was pure: to get some of our listmembers to give the Old Man a good read before pigeonholing his style as "mediocre." And I know there are plenty of CoC players who have hardly read any HPL, which is almost a crime, IMHO. But pushing his writings is usually Young Master Harms' bailiwick. Dave From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of David Farnell [daf@iwa.att.ne.jp] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:18 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Agents with Spells (was Re: DG: Re: The Vibe) From: Andrew Kenrick > similar note, how do you handle spells? does anyone have agents with spells? One of mine learned "Create Elder Sign" once, but that's been it so far. They were warned early (by Agent Laura) about the dangers of certain books, and as a result, the timid wusses have given up reading! In all my years of gaming... (shaking head) Dave From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of USFORREC1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 3:38 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: The Merits of Derleth In a message dated 3/15/00 12:34:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, box_nine@ix.netcom.com writes: << What does this have to do with DG? If you choose to allow the works of Lovecraft, Derleth, et. al. in your campaigns (as I do), imagine the confusion that must result, with arguments about whether what the cell saw was a byakhee or something different, what the characteristics of Tcho-Tcho are, whether it's worth trying to strike an alliance with the Elder Gods (and if so, how one contacts them). >> Another good use for the ideas that Derleth and his followers is that of disinformation, regardless of your opinion of his works. Some of the concepts that Derleth tries to put out as the mythos could easily be used as background beliefs for NPCs or groups in a CoC/DG campaign. For example, the idea of tying certain GOOs/OGs to elements (Cthulhu-Water, etc.) could be the pet theory of a mythos academic. It's wrong but it can add some flavor and disinformation to the campaign. Same goes for the concept of the good guy Elder Gods. Benevolent cults or individuals could have sprung up worshipping these entities in the hope that the universe has some meaning to it and there is something out there looking over us. In reality, they don't exist or worse, are another face of our old GOOs/OGs. Derelth (and others) provide a blueprint of how humans would want to view a Lovecraftian universe. You can use that against players, dangle hope and disinformation in front of them and then reveal the truth to shatter them. Just some ideas to ponder... -Dave K From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of David.Clements [David.Clements@astro.cf.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:34 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Books? On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 PaganArt@aol.com wrote: > Other plans include a large campaign (modern day) for DG and more fiction. > > Suggestions are welcome. Is Machinations of the Mi-Go going to be reprinted any time soon? Dave From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Janusz A. Urbanowicz [alex@bofh.torun.pl] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 5:21 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The Club Dumas > I wonder how many readers did actually go to the lenght of reading the > chunks of latin liberally sprinkled in 'The Name of the Rose' and get the > meaning. > I was able to read Latin as it were Italian back when I read the Rose, and > I just skipped then anyway. I dunno - maybe foreign editions had the stuff > annotated, but for us here in Italy, it was pure, unadulterated latin > ranting. Yes, they were annotated. Also I found them useful in sharping my Latin 1% skill. (rest of Eco's stuff redacted) OTOH i found Foucault Pendulum very interesting and intelectually stimulating. I consider it one of three best conspiracy-related fiction books I read (the others being of course "Illuminatus!" and Pynchon's "The Crying of Lot 49" (the only Pynchon book that got published in Poland BTW). Maybe I didn't make my SAN roll during the 'Pendulum'. ObDG: should we consider Pynchon a player of the world's games ? He hides himself, writes rather insane books with strange ideas... Is he a cultist or some random guy with oversensitive imagination ? Alex -- Janusz A. Urbanowicz | ALEX3-RIPE | SF-Framling | Gdy daję biednym chleb, nazywają mnie świętym. Gdy pytam, dlaczego biedni nie mają chleba, nazywają mnie komunistą. - abp. Helder Camara From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 3:07 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Thanks, and short review of a novel... Greetings. Someone Mused >I sent me stats (less my SAN). I am not there > >What gives? Let's call 'em technical problems - university examination hell coupled with my job suddenly turning into a _night_ job. I'll update the NPC archive in the old Cave this weekend - promised. After that, I'll crawl on my knees to agent Christopher's doorstep and I'll spend forty days there under the rain and snow to atone for the fact that the ehe cave has not yet moved to its new home. Hopefully - as I'm taking my vacations from work on monday - I'll have more time to finally do my duty to Delta Green (or die trying). Sorry for the inconvenience, but it's been a hell of a six months. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Michael S Beck [msb216@is7.nyu.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 11:37 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Mythos Miranda Rights You had best pray we remain silent This is a higher law than any sane attorney Every you are is used against you From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Frank Frey (SOK) [ffreyiii@luna.cas.usf.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 11:50 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Book Recommendation Greetings, With all of this talk about DG WWII ops, I would like to recommend a book that I've found to be most useful: "The Occult Roots of Nazism" by Nicholas Goodricke-Clark. I believe it's from New York University Press. Anyway, it's an excellent history of the Ariosophical Movement from its beginnings in the 1870's to WWII (when many of its followers were imprisoned by the Nazis). The style is emminently readable and the information is solid and well documented. I might add that the author is an Oxford Don. Anyway, it is well worth the price. Frank Frey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The only difference between myself and a madman is that I am not mad!" Salvador Dali ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of James Holloway [j_holloway26@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:00 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Beauty and the Mythos / The Vibe (long) > And there is only one sort of dead. Wouldn't we all be happier if that were true... - James ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of PaganArt@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:28 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Books? <> Yes Dave, Machinations of the Mi-Go will be reprinted shortly, in a new format, with a color cover and a 21,000 word scenario along with it. Sorry, forgot to list this, simply because I've been done writing it for some time. We're in the middle of playtesting the scenario, which should wrap up this Saturday. -Dennis Detwiller Pagan Publishing From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:52 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Books? At 01:28 PM 3/16/00 EST, you wrote: > Yes Dave, Machinations of the Mi-Go will be reprinted shortly, in a new >format, with a color cover and a 21,000 word scenario along with it. Sorry, >forgot to list this, simply because I've been done writing it for some time. >We're in the middle of playtesting the scenario, which should wrap up this >Saturday. What!!! What!!!! Why was this not done in the first place????? *sob* From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Eddy Roberts [jeddyroberts@uswest.net] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 1:03 PM To: Delta Green Subject: DG: Scenarios? Hey all, I have been asked to run DG at CONduit in Salt Lake City, Utah on the 19th-21st of May. Does anyone have scenarios that they have designed for one-shot/tournament/Con situations? If so, can you e-mail them to me, or post the URL for the location they are at on the WWW. Thank You. Eddy Roberts jeddyroberts@uswest.net From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:58 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Books? I've got over it now. I'm looking at the new edition as a younger brother for my already dog-eared and well-thumbed original Machinations... From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of PaganArt@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 1:13 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Books? In a message dated 3/16/00 10:52:37 AM, j.turner@irishnews.com writes: << What!!! What!!!! Why was this not done in the first place????? *sob* >> When we originally released Machinations of the Mi-Go it was nothing more than an experiment, and we weren't sure if the "Eyes only" series would fly at all. Later, when a general consensus of reviews came in almost all said: A scenario would be good... So... >From now on all the Eyes only volumes which contain source material (as opposed to just NPCs) will have a scenario in them. -Dennis Detwiller From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 1:35 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Books? At 02:13 PM 3/16/00 EST, you wrote: > >When we originally released Machinations of the Mi-Go it was nothing more >than an experiment, and we weren't sure if the "Eyes only" series would fly >at all. Later, when a general consensus of reviews came in almost all said: A >scenario would be good... So... > >>From now on all the Eyes only volumes which contain source material (as >opposed to just NPCs) will have a scenario in them. > >-Dennis Detwiller > Well, I for one think it's first class, as is the meatier volume on the Fate. I prefer the Mi-Go for their alienness though, if that makes sense. And yep, a scenario is a fine idea for showing us fools how to work in all those neat ideas... Jonathan PS The dog's head in Dead Letter... I heard that little gem was based on a real incident. Any truth in that? From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of James Holloway [j_holloway26@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 1:48 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Books? > >PS The dog's head in Dead Letter... I heard that little gem was based on a >real incident. Any truth in that? > This unnerving incident is covered in the very earliest issues of TUO. When I encountered it in "Dead Letter," I literally whooped for joy. I'm sure someone more qualified than I can tell it in greater detail. -- James Holloway "And yet in the end, for all his pains, he only knows how to play a game." - Baldesar Castiglione, "The Book of the Courtier" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Robert Thomas [ThomasR@Cardiff.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 1:55 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The DELTA GREEN FAQ~! Hello All, here are some Q and A's for the FAQ > I have decided that it is time to FAQ. Therefore, I am seeking a > questions and answers thread that I will compile into a useful > document for ignorant newbies. Presumably this will reduce my flame > ratio by a significant amount, but we all have to make sacrifices. > here's one: Q: What's this DGML shirt all about and how can I get one? A: It's a shirt designed by list members for list members which has got to the stage where the people organizing it are just waiting for one thing the money of the people who wanted one. Q: Why has it taken so long. A: Various reasons, I could tell you but then I'd either have to critcise other list members or myself something I'm loathe to do, how about I blame the shan in my head which was just "removed". Q: What is going on then? A: Well so far the nice people at Pagan have 25 orders (ie credit card details) and I had approximately 70 expressions of interest and e-mail addresses which made the shirt producable at the costs mentioned so things may well change unless more people do the decent thing anyway. Q: What are you going to do about it? A: I'm going to check prices at the shirt shop again to see how much per shirt it works out at for 25 orders and then I'm going to either go ahead or call ANDREA. later Rob PS if Phil Ward reads this can you get in touch I needs an accomplice From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Robert Thomas [ThomasR@Cardiff.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 2:00 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Shan Trickery Hello All, I was going to post this a while back but got busy and never did but it may be of interest firstly as Humor and secondly as an example of the devious nature of the Shan when it comes to producing an environment they can survive in. They will use any excuse too draw the curtains ;-) (the following is from the BBC NEWS web site): "As The Independent carries a breathtaking picture of the London skyline from the millennium wheel - opened to the public for the first time on Wednesday - the Peterborough column in The Daily Telegraph has details of what it calls a po-faced memo circulated to staff at the Ministry of Defence in Whitehall.   The memo apparently warns them to keep curtains shut to minimise the danger of spies, posing as tourists, using telephoto lenses from the wheel.   Conversations involving documents, the column informs its readers, are to be conducted well away from windows.   According to Peterborough, the security-obsessed functionaries at the MoD believe the millennium wheel may be in danger of becoming the British Airways London Spy." Later Rob. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Don Juneau [djuneau@io.com] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 2:05 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Books? On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, James Holloway wrote: > >PS The dog's head in Dead Letter... I heard that little gem was based on a > >real incident. Any truth in that? > > This unnerving incident is covered in the very earliest issues of TUO. When > I encountered it in "Dead Letter," I literally whooped for joy. > > I'm sure someone more qualified than I can tell it in greater detail. It's enough of a legend that it should be written up (with the pictures, damnit!) on the PaganPub website; Steve Jackson Games has the Secret Service Debacle on theirs, why not a nice, family-oriented severed dog head story? Don From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:49 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: DGML Advisory Greetings. Christopher is _good_. >I have begun a daily project to maintain DGML archives at Delta-Green.com. >Be warned, the archives from July 1999 to the present are incomplete, but >future archives should include all messages sent to the list. New archive >files will be added once or twice a day. But maybe even Christopher needs help.... I have a colossal collection of DGML digests from the past, PLUS just about every message sent to the list since we moved to the new server. The down side is, all this stuff is in Eudora .mbx format. If it can be any use to you, please let me know. I might have proven myself a slacker as far as the Cave relocation is concerned, but maybe I can still be of some use. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Philip Henry [wings.of.gold@telia.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 3:06 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: SV: Re: Russian Defections >>Does anyone know a good source of information for Russian >Intelligence Agent defections over the past 15 to 20 years? There is an excellent book, "Aquarium" (ISBN 0-241-11545-0) by Viktor Suvorov. I guess you could call it an autobiographical case study of a single case. It is an interesting, and often witty, read, I learned a lot of tradecraft "tricks" as well as how the Soviet GRU worked. Highly recommended, although I'm not sure if it is in print any more.... Philip Henry "The only good day was yesterday." From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 3:26 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Books? In a message dated 00-03-16 13:52:37 EST, you write: << What!!! What!!!! Why was this not done in the first place????? *sob* >> This was so that you would have to buy the second volume even if you have the first volume. This is to support the notoriously spendthrift and decadent lifestyles of the Pagans. Polo ponies and upkeep for the legions of cute illegal immigrants they smuggle in to work the presses...and such. In an interview for Soulless Corporate Life, the infamous bloated plutocrat Dennis Detwiller stopped fondling his obscenely large pinkie ring and took his Churchill-sized cigar away from his mouth long enough to say "We're working on a line of Delta Green collectors cards.and action figures, that'll keep the shee... fans busy." Then, with a flourish, he restored the wet end of the pathetically obvious phallic object to the blubbery embrace of the maw at the center of the corpulent ruin of what was once a face, pressed a button and told his assistant to fetch him some coffee macht schnell. Later, he disconnected the Pagan fax line and set it to downloading tentacle sex hentai in the evenings in lieu of accepting fax orders. Mark McFadden From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Mike&Laura Shwallon [shwallon@city-net.com] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 3:45 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Lovecraftian Movie Has anyone seen the movie "Cast A Deadly Spell"? For those of you that haven't, it's kind of a Mythos take on "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?". The movie follows the (mis)adventures of an LA based detective named Lovecraft (Fred Ward) as he tries to recover a stolen copy of the Necronomicon. It's done in a semi-comedic vein, but it's still pretty good. One of the main concepts is that everyone uses magic. Zombies are used as muscle and cheap labor and everyone knows spells and cantrips. The only person that won't use magic is Lovecraft. Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone else saw it and what you thought of it if you did. Mike Shwallon From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 3:16 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Something new... From: Michael Layne > On 15 March, 2000 AD, Jonathan Turner reported: > >Something new to fire off at the Special K in South Am... > > > > > >http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/missiles/slam/images/slamer03.htm > > > Yes, indeed! > A question for you, specialist. About six years ago I was chatting to an American guy who worked for JANE's. He told me about a Russian torpedo which, he claimed, could reach 120 knots. "It's only in experimental stages and nowadays they only have the resources to build about three". When I expressed wonder, he said (IIRC) that the torpedo lubricated itself through the water on a cushion of air bubbles. He also added that the Russians were tops in certian types of weapon systems because "they are comparatively poor and they don't have good computers, so they are forced to _think_ a lot". (he said it, not me) The torpedo - total nonsense, or what? Andy R , From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:01 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Something new... At 09:15 PM 3/16/00 -0000, you wrote: > >When I expressed wonder, he said (IIRC) that the torpedo lubricated itself >through the water on a cushion of air bubbles. He also added that the >Russians were tops in certian types of weapon systems because "they are >comparatively poor and they don't have good computers, so they are forced to >_think_ a lot". (he said it, not me) > > I know nothing about the torp, but that little remark reminds me of the story, or myth, about the Americans spending thousands on researching a pen that astronauts could write with in zero-G. We all the remember the ads, right? It writes upside down, etc? The Russians used pencils... And for those who have read Chickenhawk by Vietnam helicopter pilot Robert Mason - he finds a little bench in a village that is so well made it doesn't require nails to hold it together. Marvelling at the craftmaship, he takes it to show to his colleagues, one of whom remarks: ``Of course it doesn't need nails. Gooks are too dumb to make nails.'' Sad... JT From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:02 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: The Club Eco / reading out loud /The Night Land ----- Original Message ----- From: David Farnell > True, but my intention was pure: to get some of our listmembers to give Old Man a good read before pigeonholing his style as "mediocre." And I > there are plenty of CoC players who have hardly read any HPL, which is > almost a crime, IMHO. But pushing his writings is usually Young Master > Harms' bailiwick. > Dave Has anyone here read William Hope Hodgson's "The Night Land"? It's an amazing book - packed full of wonderful ideas, recommended by HPL himself. The sun has died, the remains of humanity has retreated into an enormous fortress, and the darkened world outside is stalked by monsters. If you are interested in a peek it's on the web at http://eserver.org/fiction/nightland/default.html Warning. Skip chapter 1. The book is written in an atrocious pseudo-Elizabethan style that puts off 90% of first time readers. Chapter 2, "The Last Redoubt", is where the meat starts . To the North-West I looked, and in the wide field of my glass, saw plain the bright glare of the fire from the Red Pit, shine upwards against the underside of the vast chin of the North-West Watcher--The Watching Thing of the North-West. . . . "That which hath Watched from the Beginning, and until the opening of the Gateway of Eternity" came into my thoughts, as I looked through the glass . . .the words of Ćsworpth, the Ancient Poet (though incredibly future to this our time). And suddenly they seemed at fault; for I looked deep down into my being, and saw, as dreams are seen, the sunlight and splendour of this our Present Age. And I was amazed. Anyway, my point is that this style can actually work if the book is _read_out_loud_. I discovered this by accident - I put a friend on to the book and he started to read it (at night) to his eleven-year-old son. When I spluttered in amazement he read it out loud to me, and Lo, it sounded great. Hodgson was a far worse stylist than Lovecraft, but I think that Lovecraft, too, benefits from a more leisurely, more "oral", reading style. Like others on this thread I find that if you actually try to _hear_ the words as you read them they sound much better. Andy R From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:08 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Beauty and the Mythos / The Vibe (long) ----- Original Message ----- From: James Holloway > > > And there is only one sort of dead. > > Wouldn't we all be happier if that were true... > > - James I guess I've got a lot to learn . . . But then, I always knew _that_! The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:13 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: The Merits of Derleth ----- Original Message ----- From: Derelth (and others) provide a > blueprint of how humans would want to view a Lovecraftian universe. You can > use that against players, dangle hope and disinformation in front of them and > then reveal the truth to shatter them. > Just some ideas to ponder... > > -Dave K That is a very sharp point indeed. Makes me wonder - are we deceived? I mean, could things in reality be even _worse_ than we think they are? The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:23 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Wormhole generator Subject: Re: DG: Wormhole generator > I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss the stuff available from that link as > game material. . > > Mark McFadden Maybe I was a bit too dismissive. Trouble is - Remember the fuss over the Amazon.com one-click patent? Slashdot is running a boycott of Amazon because of it. It's Slashdot's big thing. So who do you think might be trying to show up the US patent system for a hopelessly outdated shambles? And where was this news posted from? Just keeping my conspiracy reflexes sharp . . . . . OBDG. If I had a _real_ patent that I wanted legal dibs on, but did not want anyone to take notice, this might be a great smoke screen. Andy R From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Popeyesays@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:30 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Lovecraftian Movie In a message dated 3/16/00 4:11:51 PM Central Standard Time, shwallon@city-net.com writes: << Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone else saw it and what you thought of it if you did. >> I loved it, especially when he kicked the summoned creature in the gnards. Very funny movie. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:42 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Wormhole generator At 10:22 PM 3/16/00 -0000, you wrote: >OBDG. If I had a _real_ patent that I wanted legal dibs on, but did not >want anyone to take notice, this might be a great smoke screen. > If you had really built this, wouldn't your SAN be too blasted to worry about legal dibs? Wouldn't you just be waiting for a thunderstorm and cackling a lot? JT From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 5:04 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Something new... ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Turner > he takes it to show to his colleagues, one of whom remarks: ``Of course it > doesn't need nails. Gooks are too dumb to make nails.'' > > Sad... > > JT > An exercise in self-mocking bullshit, I suspect . . . The pencil story was good. I hadn't heard that one. I have more than half a feeling that this torpedo was a bit of Russian deception - if there's one thing the old Reds really knew, it was disinformation. But I guess an (American) expert on the list will put us right one way or the other pretty soon. Andy R From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 5:03 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: SV: Re: Russian Defections On 15 March 2000 AD, "Philip Henry" has this to say about Russian defectors: > >There is an excellent book, "Aquarium" (ISBN 0-241-11545-0) by Viktor >Suvorov. I guess you could call it an autobiographical case study of a >single case. It is an interesting, and often witty, read, I learned a lot >of >tradecraft "tricks" as well as how the Soviet GRU worked. Highly >recommended, although I'm not sure if it is in print any more.... Besides the above account of the Glavnoye Razvedyvatelnoye Upravlenie (sp?), Suvorov also wrote "Inside the Red Army" (I can't remember the ISBN at the moment...), and served as an advisor for "The Third World War: The Untold Story". I'm not sure if either of those are in print, now, either, but they may be available through used book stores (which is where I found my copies of "Inside the Red Army" and "Aquarium"). Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com