From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Crossingham, Adam [Adam.Crossingham@Octavian1009.E-MAIL.COM] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 4:19 AM To: 'dgrpg@delta-green.com' Subject: RE: DG: TRADECRAFT: ultralights and such > EdDrWho@aol.com writes: > <<< These [microlights] appear in _The World Is Not Enough_ and are, as far as I can tell, the > only reason to see that film. >>> > IMHO the only reason to see the movie is Sophie Marceau, especially the scene where see has Bond strapped to a booby trapped chair, unable to resist Marceau's advances. The action scenes, including the microlights sequence, are very flat compared to earlier Bonds. -- Adam Crossingham War in English = Wanting more cows in Sanskrit Home e-mail: tigger@the-wolery.demon.co.uk Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Crossingham, Adam [Adam.Crossingham@Octavian1009.E-MAIL.COM] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 4:24 AM To: 'dgrpg@delta-green.com' Subject: RE: DG: sing baby sing like a bird Graeme Price recommends: <<< Also good sources for inspiration are the interrogation scene in Day of the > Jackal [snip] and (better still) the TV movie "A Red File for Callan". > >>> > Another interesting take on interrogation is the torture scene in "3 Kings" where the Iraqi wires up and starts torturing Mark Wahlberg's character who is singing like a bird before the pain even starts. The scene is quite detailed about where the wires go and the equipment involved. -- Adam Crossingham War in English = Wanting more cows in Sanskrit Home e-mail: tigger@the-wolery.demon.co.uk Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of David.Clements [David.Clements@astro.cf.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 3:56 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Jean-loup stand up On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 Popeyesays@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/28/00 3:10:33 PM Central Standard Time, > mermoud@easynet.fr writes: > > << BTW : Noone use "Merkin" and noone would use it (unless I can start > a trend ;-) > >> > > Considering that a "merkin" is a hair piece for the crotch, I doubt that it > will catch on. Errr - some friends of mine have using this to refer to USians for years, so it *has* caught on, precisely *because* of the double meaning. Dave From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 4:28 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Mi-Go deviousness Greetings. Somewhere in the Vermont hills, Andy and Dave are wondering about Mi-Go tactical thinking >> This makes my mind jump off to "The Wisperer In Darkness". I have sometimes >> wondered about the combat behaviour of the Mi-Go in that story. > >Funny--I read TWiD a week ago and had the very same thought. I came to the >conclusion that the Mi-Go just _couldn't _ be _that_ incompetent, There is a short essay by Fritz Leiber about TWiD, "The Whisperer Re-Examined" Leiber examines the not-too-convincing development of the story - expecially where the behaviour of the Fungi are concerned, concluding that HPL sacrificed contents to structure. There is one observation that stayed with me for a long time - the fact that the Mi-Go are using standard Fu Manchu tactics - drug-spiked coffee, false telegrams, etc. Leiber points out that the only way to make the story beliavable is to admit Wilmarth's under some kind of hypnotic control throughout the story. With hindsight (and backed by Delta Green funds) we are offering alternate interpretations. So what? I agree with Dave's interpretation of the story as a Mi-Go experiment, possibly one of those the Fungi used to collect data in order to design the Greys. >But why let him escape in the end? (It's obvious they let him escape--he was >far too gullible to have given them the slip.) Possibly, to spread disinformation. Anyone with a reasonable INT level would have punched holes through the narrator's tale, exactly as we are doing and Leiber did. Fu Manchu tactics - the guy's been duped, it was humans passing themselves off as aliens from Pluto. This creates a precedent, and further stories of that kind will have a diminished impact on public opinion. >Long-term observation--they >knew no one of consequence would believe the narrator, and that those who >did were pesky investigators who would then come in search for the Mi-Go, You mean those kids with the van and the dog; they seem to specialize in blokes passing themselves off as aliens or ghosts. County Sheriff (tapping suspiciously the brain-can): "But... it's Mister Akely!" Akely (metallic voice through speaker): "Yeah... and I could have made it, had it not been for those meddling kids!" But there could be another take - we might simply have underestimated the congenital Mi-Go inability to grasp that little 'spark' that makes us human. Our ability to 'think around corners' baffles and possibli scares them. After all, it should scare them - the greatest fear is the fear of the unknown, right mr Lovecraft? Whisperer takes place at a critical juncture (IMHO) - the Fungi are about to make themselves scarce, planting the Grays as tool to interact with humans. Roswell is not that far in the future (what, 19 years?). Let's try and take the story at face value. A Mi-Go op goes very wrong - they are trying to mantain a low profile, and instead this Akely bloke finds them out. They nail him, but not before Akely telegraphs this Wilmarth character. The Fungi panic (or their equivalent of it): the new guy is bound to make questions. Call the soldiers. Or is he? Heck, how the hell do we know what these crazy apes will do? So they do it by the book - almost literally. They put down what is probably the most bullet-proof plan they can improvise. Fake telegram. Spiked coffee. What if he sees through our scam? Why should he? I mean, we are sticking to the traditional patterns as revealed by an extensive analisys of their cultural traditions, right? It always worked, when we conformed to their traditional taboos and narrative patterns. So in the end Wilmarth escapes not because they willingly let him go, but simply because the Fungi's approach is too literal-minded, too linear, too comic-book-like predictable to fool even a first class dupe like him. We could even argue that it was after the Wilmarth fiasco (and probably others like that, too) that the Fun-guys went the Roswell way and planted the Greys. It's safer to interpose something between you and the crazy apes. Which leads me to point out what is probably the most useful service MJ-12 is giving the Fungi - MJ is the Mi-Go Human-pattern Processing Unit. MJ is providing the 'spark' they lack - a Mi-Go can't play go or dig jazz, but there's probably someone in MJ that can, and would should they need it. The Fungi are _not_ successfully dealing with the human problem - MJ is doing it for them. Think about the implications. But all of this is speculation. Just get out of the Vermont woods before the night falls. And give my regards to Velma ;> Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Ian McMurtrey [imcmur1@tiger.towson.edu] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 8:07 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Exploding CDs (Because my comma key no longer works; all commas in this post will be replaced with semicolons.) I don't know how many people here hit slashdot (www.slashdot.org); though I suspect quite many; but I saw the following link this morning at their site: http://prostudio.com/oto/feb99/exploding.html Slashdot; like the previously touted FAS site (www.fas.org); is also useful for fleshing out some obscure details one might include in a DG campaign (especially one which includes hacker plots); though some weeks one must dig a bit to find anything but Linux related news stories. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Noyes [ft203004@fsinet.or.jp] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 10:30 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: RE: Mi-Go deviousness (was Re: Re: TRADECRAFT: ultralights and such/cheap warriors/Wisperer >Something I hadn't thought of before in relation to TWiD was the >Nyarlathotep connection. In the new Penguin collection, Joshi mentions a >contention among HPL scholars over whether the "Akely" the narrator talks to >at the end is a disguised Mi-Go or Nyarlathotep himself, having a little fun >(the "waxen mask" being a key point). Personally, I don't buy it, but I did >peg Noyes as being a possible Nyarlathotep avatar (split in two, the name >becomes a typically toe-tapper-esque koan, as in "Hi! I'm Mr. No-Yes"). I've >been chewing that over ever since. >Dave >Hey, don't we have a Jay Noyes on this list...? Guards, detain that man! You certainly do. I read this message three times trying to figure out what was going on. Did someone take my name in vain and use it in a story? Jay No/Yes From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Tolga Yanasik [yanasikt@superonline.com] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 10:39 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: TRADECRAFT: ultralights and such Greetings, I was thinking. Ultralights : light weight and armorless. So, Air or CO2 powered metal shard shooters may beat the hell out of these ultralight units. These metal shards can even be nuts, bolts or scrap metal pieces . When shooted from guns positioned side by side, thousands of shards will form a wall of metal in the air. It's nothing against bulletproof assault helcopters or fighter jets because of their altitude but even a single scratch or dent may send these ultralight units plummeting down. You can even collect what you fired with magnets afterwards :) Tolga From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Don Juneau [djuneau@io.com] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 11:49 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: TRADECRAFT: ultralights and such On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > If the structure of a fella telling me these things, ending with the > observation that he could make some bucks out this whole "Army" thing with > repeated reminders that I was being told this with a stand-up comic > presentation are not enough, let me supply that B between A and C. > > Everything above the ObDG: line was what we in the biz call a "joke". > > But thanks for the insights. Nae prob. Should I ever get the buckage together (and mebbe lose some weight, to make it a bit more airworthy), I want to buy one of them neato toys...altho the experimental Army "backpack" chopper ('60s or so, I think) and the in-development vectored-thrust gizmo (as seen in a PC mag a few months back) are tempting as well. > Then again, perhaps I really am such a knuckle-dragging mouth-breathing > idiot that I thought all that stuff was a real good idea. You just can't tell > these days. Nah, it's not *you*, it's the *other* knuckle-dragging mouth-breathing idiots. (Stock Reply # 54) Don From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of PaganArt@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 12:42 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Mi-Go deviousness In a message dated 3/31/00 3:13:13 AM, doctor.dee@libero.it writes: << The Fungi panic (or their equivalent of it): the new guy is bound to make questions. Call the soldiers. Or is he? Heck, how the hell do we know what these crazy apes will do? So they do it by the book - almost literally. They put down what is probably the most bullet-proof plan they can improvise. Fake telegram. Spiked coffee. What if he sees through our scam? Why should he? I mean, we are sticking to the traditional patterns as revealed by an extensive analisys of their cultural traditions, right? It always worked, when we conformed to their traditional taboos and narrative patterns. So in the end Wilmarth escapes not because they willingly let him go, but simply because the Fungi's approach is too literal-minded, too linear, too comic-book-like predictable to fool even a first class dupe like him. We could even argue that it was after the Wilmarth fiasco (and probably others like that, too) that the Fun-guys went the Roswell way and planted the Greys. It's safer to interpose something between you and the crazy apes. Which leads me to point out what is probably the most useful service MJ-12 is giving the Fungi - MJ is the Mi-Go Human-pattern Processing Unit. MJ is providing the 'spark' they lack - a Mi-Go can't play go or dig jazz, but there's probably someone in MJ that can, and would should they need it. The Fungi are _not_ successfully dealing with the human problem - MJ is doing it for them. Think about the implications. But all of this is speculation. Just get out of the Vermont woods before the night falls. And give my regards to Velma ;> Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm >> Davide, I couldn't have put it any better myself... -Dennis Detwiller Mi-Go Wrangler Pagan Publishing From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of box_nine@ix.netcom.com Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 1:00 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Mi-Go Deviousness Fritz Leiber addresses the curious timing of "Whisperer" and "The Dunwich Horror" in "To Arkham and the Stars." It could be an interesting variant of DG to have agents going up against the Mi-Go, only to find that the Mi-Go are doing the same thing they are - trying to stave off the End Times. "We're still not happy about your replacing Agent Herbert's intestines with protomatter balloon animals, but we're willing to cut you some slack." Davide - where'd the Fritz Leiber essay you referred appear, out of curiosity? Steven, just realizing in horror that he's become an unwitting pawn of the Lizard King From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 2:22 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Velma In a message dated 00-03-31 06:13:13 EST, you write: << And give my regards to Velma ;> >> According to the Cartoon Channel, everything animated is within six degrees of separation to Velma. It's a fact. Mark McFadden Never mind the cheerleader, scope out Velma. Don't be shy babes, I know there's a hotty under that turtleneck. Here, let me see those glasses. Why, Velma...you're beautiful! From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 2:34 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Damn kekboard In a message dated 00-03-31 09:11:03 EST, you write: << (Because my comma key no longer works; all commas in this post will be replaced with semicolons.) >> Kou think kou got problems, this whole "Y to K" business has been a non-stop headache since the beginning of the kear. Kou would think those MIS people would have fixed this bk now. I put a call in last Mondak and I haven't gotten a response ket. And I thought that Help Desk person was verk rude. Kours trulk, Mark McFadden I figure part of the problem was not choosing a vowel *or* a consonant but settling for a compromise. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 2:39 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Mi-Go Deviousness Greetings. Steven- unwitting pawn of the scaly king - wrote >Davide - where'd the Fritz Leiber essay you referred appear, out of curiosity? Ah! I've an Italian language version in a booklet called "Space, Time and Mystery", which includes also 'Per Arkham ad Astra'. It _should_ be the Italian version of the DAW Books-published "The First Book of Fritz Leiber". Our publisher 'forgot' to quote the original collection's title. The collection is dated and copyrighted to Leiber in 1974. I hope this helps. Take care. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 2:40 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Mi-Go deviousness >Davide, I couldn't have put it any better myself... > >-Dennis Detwiller >Mi-Go Wrangler >Pagan Publishing I am not worthy, I am not worthy..... :-> Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Frank Frey (SOK) [ffreyiii@luna.cas.usf.edu] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 2:54 PM To: LizardRoi@aol.com Cc: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Velma I agree. Her Velmaness should also grow her hair a little longer. (Did I just fail my SAN check and actually admit to having the hots for a cartoon character?) Mister Shiny, I need help. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The only difference between myself and a madman is that I am not mad!" Salvador Dali ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 3:12 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Velma Greetings. Frank Frey may be needing help, but so are many of us.... >I agree. Her Velmaness should also grow her hair a little longer. (Did I >just fail my SAN check and actually admit to having the hots for a cartoon >character?) Mister Shiny, I need help. I must admit that the raciest (and funniest and, in retrospect, better written) bits in my (fortunately?) aborted Scooby Doo/Twenty Years Later novel involved Velma. I was in high school at the time and it was my first attempt at working with somebody else's characters. I wonder where the 100 or so typewritten pages ever ended up.... Anyway - if this means I need help, I wonder what some guys I know might be needing.... Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 3:59 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Cc: randy.hoffman@warnerbros.com Subject: DG: Cartoon lust In a message dated 00-03-31 16:21:57 EST, you write: << >I agree. Her Velmaness should also grow her hair a little longer. (Did I >just fail my SAN check and actually admit to having the hots for a cartoon >character?) Mister Shiny, I need help. I must admit that the raciest (and funniest and, in retrospect, better written) bits in my (fortunately?) aborted Scooby Doo/Twenty Years Later novel involved Velma. >> I was sitting around with some friends watching some Max Fleisher Superman cartoons. Lois Lane, looking intelligent and curious and heh heh, peeks through a window briefly. All the guys say, "Hey, back it up, I wanna see that again" and we cycle back and forth a few times until everyone gets their fill as the females in the audience roll their eyes and head off to the kitchen to talk about how hopeless we are. They also didn't understand how most of us could consider Betty hotter than Wilma when both of them are cartoon characters. ObDG: cartoons tend to drop off the 'scope in our considerations. But as you can see, it doesn't take porn to get the libido involved. Outlook? Nyarly? UUU? Something else? Snap quiz: Betty or Veronica? Gotcha. Mark McFadden And don't get me started on the vibe put out by some of the Gerry Anderson marionettes. Oh baby, your head is out of proportion and your hands don't move, but walk nasty for the Lizard King. Tha's right, lift your knees. You can leave your strings on, cuz I know what love is. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 4:11 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Cartoon lust Greetings. Mark 'No Strings Attached' McFadden went.... > And don't get me started on the vibe put out by some of the Gerry Anderson >marionettes. Oh baby, your head is out of proportion and your hands don't >move, but walk nasty for the Lizard King. Tha's right, lift your knees. You >can leave your strings on, cuz I know what love is. Only one suggestion, my friend: "Back in the USSA" by Kim Newman & Eugene Byrne. Excellent book, great fun, alternate history at its best, and it features a bit of... well, a bit of action involving Lady Penelope. I can grant you will not be disappointed. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andrew John Farrow [andrew.j.farrow@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 4:34 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: shiny toys? a bit of a late update to the UAV thread from last month . for the greennbox or a scary warning of what to expect from MJ12 ? http://www.ufomag.com/flash/1.html let you decide - yours- andy . From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 5:26 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: TRADECRAFT: ultralights and such/cheap warriors/Wisperer ----- Original Message ----- > << 1) The Mi-Go have multiple biological castes, maybe like ants or bees, > maybe in some other way. Some of these castes are non-reproductive and so > are essentially "weapons" or "tools> If they can make Greys, there is no reason to doubt that they can make Mi-Go > "workers" or "soldiers". > > Mark McFadden Affirmative - there's no evidence for a biologically determined "reproductive" caste. I think it's their promiscuous self-modification/surgery that creates these tools/warriors. Thought. For the Mi-Go, surgery, genetic self-modification, and mechanical engineering are not separate things: so maybe: - You find yourself in a Mi-Go spaceship. - You see a Mi-Go. - It seems to be really tight up against the control system. . . . Then you realise - the Mi-Go _IS_ the spaceship . . . . . The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of David Farnell [daf@iwa.att.ne.jp] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 5:07 AM To: Delta Green List Subject: DG: article on quantum teleportation One of the feature articles of the latest Scientific American (April 2000) is on a topic so hotly discussed here a few days back: quantum teleportation. I've just skimmed it, but it looks pretty good--I think I'll be able to understand it, which is more than I can say for some of the more mathematical articles in SciAm. Visual aids should help those, like me, who have trouble puzzling it all out from just words and numbers. And just to round out this post, a couple of things to add to the 23 Skidoo List: The volcano that's just erupted in Hokkaido last erupted 23 years ago. And back in the days before TV made evenings a bit less boring, local businessmen used to host a monthly ceremony/festival at my neighborhood shrine. What day? The 23rd, of course. Why that day? No reason I've been able to uncover. Dave Hail Eris! From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 6:02 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Mi-Go deviousness ----- Original Message ----- From: Davide Mana > > But there could be another take - we might simply have underestimated the > congenital Mi-Go inability to grasp that little 'spark' that makes us human. > Our ability to 'think around corners' baffles and possibli scares them. > After all, it should scare them - the greatest fear is the fear of the > unknown, right mr Lovecraft? > I find your analysis very convincing indeed. The thing that hits me is the _tentativeness_ of the Mi-Go - that they don't really know what they are doing, or what the hell they ought to be doing. Like other's who have commented on this thread, I'd welcome information on where to get those Leiber essays. The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jeff Ewing [ambjpe@gis.net] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 6:25 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Rain of fire? Say, SuperDave, are you getting pelted with ash and volcanic debris? Jeff From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of box_nine@ix.netcom.com Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 6:26 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Where to Find Leiber Andy wrote: >Like other's who have commented on this thread, I'd welcome >information on where to get those Leiber essays. "To Arkham and the Stars" is actually a short story, which appears in - The Dark Brotherhood and Other Pieces, Sauk City: Arkham House, 1966 - Tales of the Lovecraft Mythos, ed. Robert M. Price, Minneapolis: Fedogan & Bremer, 1992 THE FIRST BOOK OF FRITZ LEIBER, which Davide mentioned, is out of print (as is a shocking amount of Leiber's stuff - Changewar fans will be pleased to note that THE BIG TIME is being reissued in hardcover in April). THE SECOND BOOK OF FRITZ LEIBER has "Through Hyperspace with Brown Jenkin," which might also be of interest. Try your favorite used bookseller or an online service like Bookfinder.com. Steven Steven From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 6:50 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: The Number of the Best In a message dated 00-03-31 18:48:19 EST, you write: << businessmen used to host a monthly ceremony/festival at my neighborhood shrine. What day? The 23rd, of course. Why that day? No reason I've been able to uncover. >> BusinessMEN, 23 chromosomes in their contribution. More than coincidence?!?!? Also count the 23s liberally sprinkled throughout Countdown. Especially significant dates in Night Floors and financial figures in Dead Letter. COUNTdown, get it? Oh yes, it's all so simple when you have the key, here, let me show you a chart I've made that explains it better than words. I've nailed examples on the walls here and I've had to resort to strings to connect them in the proper 3D perspective (mind the thread) but as you can see it's all quite obvious when you collate it correctly. What year is it, anyhow? Really. Already? Mark McFadden And as you can see, this plainly shows that *I* am the trueborn King of the Lizards, not that Army Recruiter, or the Frat boy, or the scuba instructor in Florida, or the head of the Education Dept. at Charles Stuart University, or the ..... From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 7:02 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Cartoon lust I don't want to hammer this into the ground or anything, but I am interested in cartoons as meme vectors, so I'd like to know: a) which Merkin cartoons are big elsewhere b) what non-anime (which, face it, is a thread unto itself) cartoons were a part of growing up elsewhere and yes indeedy do, it will all be tied into a grand fully DG compliant meditation on sex, fnord, and getting to them while they're young to lay the foundation for the future. Now back to your previously streaming tentacle sex hentai program. Mark McFadden From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Don Juneau [djuneau@io.com] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 7:26 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Cartoon lust On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > I don't want to hammer this into the ground or anything, but I am interested > in cartoons as meme vectors, so I'd like to know: > > a) which Merkin cartoons are big elsewhere > b) what non-anime (which, face it, is a thread unto itself) cartoons were a > part of growing up elsewhere alt.sex.furry; this was pretty overrun by spam when last I was reading it, but if not there, the FurNet (fur.*, IIRC) should help. I remember a thread along those lines there in the past. > Now back to your previously streaming tentacle sex hentai program. What's the server for that, d00d? Don From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of David Farnell [daf@iwa.att.ne.jp] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 8:23 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Mi-Go deviousness From: Andy Robertson > The thing that hits me is the _tentativeness_ of the Mi-Go - that they don't > really know what they are doing, or what the hell they ought to be doing. That's what made me think it was an experiment. They've been observing us, even interfering in our evolution, for millions of years! Surely they wouldn't really be that unsure of themselves, even considering the rapid pace of change in human society. On the other hand, they probably aren't all that good at handling us, either, so I definitely agree with Davide's ideas about the Fungi screwing it up somewhat and allowing Wilmarth to become involved. This then leads to the development of a relationship with MJ-12 to act as go-betweens/buffer. Dave Join us! http://n.ethz.ch/student/hankef/DeltaGreen/tshirt.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of David Farnell [daf@iwa.att.ne.jp] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 8:34 PM To: Delta Green List Subject: DG: Re: Cartoon lust From: > I was sitting around with some friends watching some Max Fleisher Superman > cartoons. Lois Lane, looking intelligent and curious and heh heh, peeks > through a window briefly. All the guys say, "Hey, back it up, I wanna see > that again" and we cycle back and forth a few times until everyone gets their > fill as the females in the audience roll their eyes and head off to the > kitchen to talk about how hopeless we are. > They also didn't understand how most of us could consider Betty hotter than > Wilma when both of them are cartoon characters. With my friends, it's Harley Quinn vs. Batgirl. But when I was a kid, I kind of thought the hapless female cat from the Pepe LePew cartoons was pretty darned cute. Le rraoww-rraoww. > And don't get me started on the vibe put out by some of the Gerry Anderson > marionettes. Oh baby, your head is out of proportion and your hands don't > move, but walk nasty for the Lizard King. Tha's right, lift your knees. You > can leave your strings on, cuz I know what love is. This is getting into John Tynes territory again. And this would make an excellent basis for a paper on psychology of mass communication or something--about 36 hours ago, this started off as a post about some tech-head's water-cooler ideas on combat ultralights, switched to a classic HPL story, then Mi-Go battle tactics, Scooby Doo, the secret sexiness of Velma, and now sex with marionettes. All we need is Mr. B Natural to round it out. Dave Loving the List dynamic. PS: The picture-in-my-head for Ruth the Librarian was Velma. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of David Farnell [daf@iwa.att.ne.jp] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 8:05 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: RE: Mi-Go deviousness (No spoilers because anyone on this list who hasn't read this story deserves to be spoiled.) From: Noyes > >Hey, don't we have a Jay Noyes on this list...? Guards, detain that man! > > You certainly do. I read this message three times trying to figure out what > was going on. Did someone take my name in vain and use it in a story? Yes, before you were born. "The Whisperer in Darkness" has a minor character named Noyes, who poses as Akely's friend, but in reality is a cultist/agent of the Mi-Go, or perhaps part of a Nyarlathotep cult just working with the Mi-Go, or maybe even an avatar of Nyarlathotep. He is described as cultured, friendly, and urbane, but he still gives Wilmarth (the narrator) the creeps. His voice is on the famous recording of the Nyarlathotep ceremony--interestingly, he seems to be leading the ceremony, while the Mi-Go are doing the chorus work. The last time I read the story, I pictured him as a sort of Alzis-looking fellow. Dave Join us! http://n.ethz.ch/student/hankef/DeltaGreen/tshirt.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of EdDrWho@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 10:00 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: TRADECRAFT: ultralights and such In a message dated 3/31/00 3:21:51 AM Central Standard Time, Adam.Crossingham@Octavian1009.E-MAIL.COM writes: > IMHO the only reason to see the movie is Sophie Marceau, especially the > scene where see has Bond strapped to a booby trapped chair, unable to resist > Marceau's advances. Frankly, that failed to impress me. The FN P90s rocked, though. Especially after reading their description in the Feng Shui players guide ("I think I saw a guy on TV build a birdhouse with one of these once..."). From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Daniel Harms [dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 11:02 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Mi-Go Deviousness At 10:38 PM 3/31/2000 +0200, you wrote: >>Davide - where'd the Fritz Leiber essay you referred appear, out of >curiosity? Managed to find the English version - in _The Book of Fritz Leiber_, 1974, pp. 143-7. And no, I haven't seen it. I've found this thread fascinating, but of course no one's brought up the other possibility from "Whisperer" - that the mi-go themselves are merely a fabrication created by a person or persons for reasons unknown. Wilmarth never sees the mi-go; they are merely heard elsewhere or on a record, or make tracks seen much later, or they leave behind "speech- cylinders" (radios?) and "disguises". In the end, it's a job that someone with a few free weekends on their hands. The bodies seen in the flood? Just mistakenly-identified human or animal remains (after all, it would be difficult for an intelligent, flying creature to be caught in a raging torrent...) The controversy these "things" stirred up was being perpetuated in the papers by Mr. Wilmarth. Whether out of desperation, or an effort to cover something up, or sheer fiendishness, a group of people decided to create an "Akeley" individual to give Wilmarth information that would intrigue him, keeping him from responding... (And that Wilmarth guy isn't too trustworthy, either. How many people can recall, years later, complete letters from others, down to the last detail?) ObDG: What makes all of this possible is Lovecraft's constant deferral of meaning, in which we have several layers of narrators, who may not always be trustworthy. Most people who read Lovecraft assume that everything people are saying is true - but is it? Should we trust Wilmarth, or Akeley, or the mi-go, or Abdul Alhazred? At any stage, someone may be wrong, or have a bad memory, or may be feeding us disinformation. Something to bear in mind when dealing with DG-related conspiracies. Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu The Internet: Learn what you know. Share what you don't.