From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Deirdre M. Brooks [xenya@teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 4:29 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Planetary and Secret Histories and Hellboy. No, this isn't to say that I get all my inspirations from comic books (although if you're going to look for inspiration, there are many worse places to look - Planetary and Hellboy are very good). I'm noting that both of the above comics have a framing conceit that would work nicely in a Delta Green-style game. Planetary is a group of people who are best described as "Archeologists of the Unknown." I wonder how this would work in Delta Green - looking for signs and remnants of old Mythos artifacts, people, etc. This could be interesting if handled well (given a modern, interesting spin), I think. Esp if the PCs are sponsored by a mysterious or secret agency. Hellboy's setup is pretty much "Delta Green." It's a paranormal/supernatural investigations unit, and is not secret. They also deal with more "overt" manifestations of the supernatural than you see in Delta Green, but I like it for inspirational material (and the Ogdru-Jahad are nothing if not Great Old Ones). For inspirational novels, I like Dan Simmons' horror work (esp. Carrion Comfort and Song of Kali), as well as Thomas Ligotti (you'll never trust a doll again). Communion (by Whitley Streiber) if taken in context with Delta Green, can be downright terrifying. My big thing is "secret history," as mentioned above. I really like the sense that once you scratch the surface all *kinds* of things will pour out (kind of like pus from a festering boil). After you pop open enough boils, you find a pattern, etc... I'm just rambling, but after my last post, I thought I'd make an attempt to be on-topic. :-) -- Deird'Re M. Brooks | xenya@teleport.com | cam#9309026 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG "If you loved me, you'd all kill yourselves today." -- Spider Jerusalem | http://www.teleport.com/~xenya From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Robert Thomas [ThomasR@Cardiff.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 5:43 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Popes and Bones 0100,0100,0100Hello All, While browsing around today I came across the following: Papal skull stolen from Spanish museum http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/04/11/bc.spain.papalskull.ap/ which struck me as having that bouquet as it were. Who would want the Skull of a 14th century pope? Later Rob. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Crossingham, Adam [Adam.Crossingham@Octavian1009.E-MAIL.COM] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 6:05 AM To: 'dgrpg@delta-green.com' Subject: DG: RE: Popes and Bones > Robert Thomas ponders: > <<< Who would want the Skull of a 14th century pope? >>> Indeed why? And in the report I read worth £200,000. Who values a skull, and who/what is the market? -- Adam Crossingham "To be or not to be" Home e-mail: zodiac@theblackseal.org Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Lindohf, Tomas [tomas.lindohf@capgemini.se] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 5:15 AM To: 'dgrpg@delta-green.com ' Subject: DG: RE: Planetary and Secret Histories and Hellboy. > Hellboy's setup is pretty much "Delta Green." It's a > paranormal/supernatural investigations unit, and is not secret. They > also deal with more "overt" manifestations of the supernatural than you > see in Delta Green, but I like it for inspirational material (and the > Ogdru-Jahad are nothing if not Great Old Ones). Don't forget that one of Hellboy's enemies are a group of undead nazi's. //Tomas From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Deirdre M. Brooks [xenya@teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 5:55 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Planetary and Secret Histories and Hellboy. "Lindohf, Tomas" wrote: > > Don't forget that one of Hellboy's enemies are a group of undead nazi's. I haven't forgotten. Anyway, Rasputin's undead. Most of his Nazi servants aren't. Some are - Hellboy's good for Karotechia inspiration. -- Deird'Re M. Brooks | xenya@teleport.com | cam#9309026 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG "If you loved me, you'd all kill yourselves today." -- Spider Jerusalem | http://www.teleport.com/~xenya From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Val_Salvis@webtv.net Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 6:01 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com; Olegamer@aol.com; funkmeister-j@juno.com; lordpain@bluegrass.net; james_roddy@hotmail.com; sith@shinjikun.com; darkona@execpc.com; johrin@execpc.com Subject: DG: hmm..... As we all know, The Greys crashed near Roswell, New Mexico on July 8, 1947. Al Gore was born April 8,1948. Exactly nine months later. Coincidence? I think not! BCNU, Matt http://community.webtv.net/Val_Salvis/TheMcClouds From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 6:31 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: David Irving's lawsuit failed Greetings. Eckhard is in for a sharp, cold dose of reality.... ;> >BTW: Is it true that in some U.S. states the pictures and photographs of >prostitutes' clients are published when they are caught? They do that in ITALY! File under 'Shitstorm of Biblical Proportions'. >From an outsider's point of view like mine, the matter of prostitution is extremely fuzzy, in not in terms of the word of the law, at least in terms of applications of those laws. The current trend sees the prostitute's manager and the organization backing him (generally international rings that import girls from eastern Europe, africa or Asia) as guilty of the charge of slave trade. The prostitute are technically both victims and accomplices of the slave-running outfit. This leaves the client in a gray area. Is he an acomplice? He is surely actively supporting the business, and taking advantage of a slave girl. And there's always the old story that a steady demand encourages a dynamic offer. While most police forces would not touch the client side of the matter with a twenty yard stick, and they concentrate on the organization, City Councils are often faced with compalints by the citizens about the matter. Prostitute clients are a nuisance. They are an hazard to the road circulation - some just crawl along the road congesting avenues, other just stop dead when they see a girl they fancy, and hell to those coming behind them. People gets hurt. Also, most clients are a hazard to the public health - most clients statistically pay to have intercourse without a condom. Expecially the circulation angle falls under the bailiwick of the Town Civic Police ('Vigili Urbani') a force depending from the Town Council and charged with local security and circulation control. I once had a friend in the Turin Civic. They started fining clients when these stopped to let the girl climb on - mostly on charges of circulation obstruction, hazardous driving, unallowed stop and such. Some rare cases got also the indecent behaviour, but those were the easy ones. The cops were surprised enough, infact, to find out that most clients were more than happy to pay the extra charge and shrug it off. The deterrent effect of fining them there and then was close to nil. So someone came up with a bright idea - the fines were sent home to the clients. Let them explain their wifes or parents why the Law had caught them unlawfully parked on a dark country road by night. This caused quite a stir. But on the other hand, most simply denied the charge - sorry, officer, you caught the wrong guy. Yes, that was my car, but I happened to lend it to someone.... So, in some cities (expecially in the Italian North-east, IIRC), the Council allowed the Civic Force to publish both car plates and photographs of the clients. If you lend your car to a friend, you better know what he does with it, right? The thing was big for a while, then someone got smart and filed a complaint for infringement of privacy. The thing is still being debated, but the 'shoot the pig' practice is still pretty popular with morals campaign promoters and defenders of the rights of the girls. So, yes, it's happening here. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 9:17 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: David Irving's lawsuit failed Good Afternoon. Davide Mana schrieb: > Greetings. > > Eckhard is in for a sharp, cold dose of reality.... ;> > > >BTW: Is it true that in some U.S. states the pictures and photographs of > >prostitutes' clients are published when they are caught? > > They do that in ITALY! I'm desperate ;-) But is it true that brothels are illegal in Italy since the 1950s? [snip] > >From an outsider's point of view like mine, the matter of prostitution is > extremely fuzzy, in not in terms of the word of the law, at least in terms > of applications of those laws. Some basics about the Law&Prostitution in Germany: Prostitution is legal. The contract itself is seen as immoral and therefore not existing. The result is, that the lady can't go to the courtroom to demand her money. But on the other hand men have won in court after they paid and did not get laid. "Supporting prostitution" is illegal, a crime. This law was made to protect the women from the typical pimp, but actually the result is the following: If you do own or manage a brothel and you really support and help the women working for you, by paying them regularly, having them insured, giving them good clean rooms with bathrooms etc., you will be found guilty of supporting prostitution. On the other hand, if your girls work the streets and you only drive by twice a day to take 75% of their money, your are much less in trouble. [ I once wrote a paper in law school concerning prostitution ] > > The current trend sees the prostitute's manager and the organization > backing him (generally international rings that import girls from eastern > Europe, africa or Asia) as guilty of the charge of slave trade. > The prostitute are technically both victims and accomplices of the > slave-running outfit. And immigration laws make the situation even worse four the girls. I guess I already told this a while age: The lawyer I am working with is not only a defense lawyer, but also specialises in immigration law. The problem of illegal prostitutes is his daily business: Their former "employers" try to find them to get them back in their hands, the police and the administration tries to find them to send them back to their homecountries. Honestly: These cases quite often really suck: Pimps that are real bastards, policemen and officials that ignore the dramatic situation of the women and girls and see them as just another case and then there's the young women who are desperate about the idea of going home. Not only that they will have to return to economically devastating surroundings, quite often they are afraid to return to their village or small town as "the whore". > > This leaves the client in a gray area. > Is he an acomplice? > He is surely actively supporting the business, and taking advantage of a > slave girl. I think there is a [ minor ]difference between chosing the illegal girls, that are definitely slaves, and the junkie whores or those women who chose this profession from their own free will. [snip] > They are an hazard to the road circulation - some just crawl along the road > congesting avenues, other just stop dead when they see a girl they fancy, > and hell to those coming behind them. > People gets hurt. Get yourself brothels and there will lesser problems with the circulation. > Also, most clients are a hazard to the public health - most clients > statistically pay to have intercourse without a condom. Again a problem of the slave girls who cannot choose their customers. ObDG: What about illegal Tcho-Tcho-prostitutes. That would definitely result in customer complaints. BTW: For those interested: I just received the results of my written exam. I passed. 25th may will be the oral exams. In Munich. ECKHARD From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 10:00 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: David Irving's lawsuit failed Greetings. Extremely off topic. So sue me. >BTW: For those interested: I just received the results of my written exam. I >passed. 25th may will be the oral exams. In Munich. Congrats. You have all my envy. My next written comes up in a little more than 80 hours, and it will be a 9 hours blockbuster, with an openly hostile commission. Let's just hoe this is a good month for DG ops in Europe! ;> Cheers! Davide Mana ObDG: does DG have friendlies keeping an eye on prospect recruits in universities? I'm pretty sure MJ has. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 1:48 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: OT: steampunk I hope ANDREA will forgive this slightly OT post, but I know there are some steampunk enthusiasts on the list, and anyway, I tagged on some ObDG... Basically, the printer for Charles Babbage's difference engine has been built and the sucker works... http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_710000/710950.stm ObDG: Some dusty old plans for another unbuilt component of the Difference Engine are constructed by modern scientists... only to discover it's a Yithian communicator - the source of his genius and vision... From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Frank Frey (SOK) [ffreyiii@luna.cas.usf.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 2:14 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: David Irving's lawsuit failed Greetings, After hearing so much about David Irving, I decided to visit his website to read what he had to say. I think Mister Irving is a comedic genius. His subtle humor, his whacky parody of holocaust revisionists, his own convoluted, Monty Pythonesque logic is hilarious. I especially like the part where he sues people for quoting his own words to show the contradictions in his positions. This is hilarious. The only other comic genius of the same caliber that comes immediately to mind is Lyndon LaRouche. These guys oughta team up. Greatest Comedy act since Abbot and Costello. Irving is joking right...right...right!!!! Please tell me it's a joke. Frank Frey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The only difference between myself and a madman is that I am not mad!" Salvador Dali ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Popeyesays@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 2:29 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: David Irving's lawsuit failed In a message dated 4/13/00 2:18:01 PM Central Daylight Time, ffreyiii@luna.cas.usf.edu writes: << Irving is joking right...right...right!!!! Please tell me it's a joke. >> Unfortunately he is not. And his book "Hitler's War" is undeniably brilliant - within its scope. His translation of the minutiae of the Nazi hierarchy is amazing but he is totally unwilling to extrapolate from that which he reads. He wants a signed document from Adolf's own hand that says: "Yep! I did it! I ordered them to kill all the jews and undesirables! Me! They did it under my direction! I am responsible! I am glad! signed Love, Adolf and don't forget to bring home a sausage and some kale for dinner." Barring the existence of such a document to prove his complicity we have no other option but to deny Watergate - who says the tape was for real, was it compared to voice prints of the historical personages - "What it was not common practice to voice print in 1968-1973 - oh well it never happened then." Irangate never happened because we have only testimonial evidence. The First World War must not have happened (at least when the last eye-witness is gone). And all of recorded history is suspect. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 10:20 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: David Irving's lawsuit failed Davide Mana schrieb: > Greetings. > > Extremely off topic. > So sue me. [snip] > My next written comes up in a little more than 80 hours, and it will be a 9 > hours blockbuster, with an openly hostile commission. I am keeping every available finger crossed. 9 HOURS!?!?!?!??! > > Let's just hoe this is a good month for DG ops in Europe! ;> And the month of may as well. [snip] > ObDG: does DG have friendlies keeping an eye on prospect recruits in > universities? Definitely, I guess. Put they will also have an eye on possible enemies. Somebody like yound medical studen Herbert West. ECKHARD From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 3:44 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: David Irving's lawsuit failed In a message dated 4/13/00 12:10:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EHuelshoff@t-online.de writes: << BTW: Is it true that in some U.S. states the pictures and photographs of prostitutes' clients are published when they are caught? >> It's usually more of a city by city thing AFAIK. It's the fastest way to make a notorious street walking zone toxic for the cameras. Getting tough on crime just like the campaign promised. Mark McFadden From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 3:44 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: David Irving's lawsuit failed In a message dated 4/13/00 12:10:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EHuelshoff@t-online.de writes: << They publish the names of the arrested???????????????????? >> Whoops. No. They say "a man" or some such. Mark McFadden From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 4:02 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: David Irving's lawsuit failed In a message dated 4/13/00 6:03:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, doctor.dee@libero.it writes: << They started fining clients when these stopped to let the girl climb on - mostly on charges of circulation obstruction, hazardous driving, unallowed stop and such. >> "Circulation obstruction?" Are you telling me that these drivers are letting the girls "climb on", indulging in erotic asphyxiation and driving at the same time? Yeah, I'd cite them for hazardous driving too. Especially if they are doing all that on a Vespa. Mark McFadden Man, you Italians are just sick. Remind me to stick to French and Greek style when Euroslumming. ;-) From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 4:10 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: University (was Re:DG: David Irving's lawsuit failed) Greetings. Some more exam paranoia, then some on topic stuff, I promise. >From Eckhard... >> My next written comes up in a little more than 80 hours, and it will be a 9 >> hours blockbuster, with an openly hostile commission. > >I am keeping every available finger crossed. You're welcome. Any kind of support is welcome. File under 'shattering experiences': Today I was struggling with a darned basinal sequence of southern Italy (don't ask) of which I had no way of making heads or tails. 'Let's take a break', I say to my cat (that normally sleeps on my notes) 'Something will crop up as we relax'. He goes to his wayter bowl and the doorbell rings. I open - it's the parson, purple paraments and all. 'I've come to give you God's blessing' Apparently one of the families in the buildings requested the priest's benediction of their house for Easter (it's an old tradition) and as he was at it, he just went door to door offering the same service to all. Let e tell you - it's hard as hell remaining an agnostic when God's trying to pull your leg. >9 HOURS!?!?!?!??! 9 frigging 60-minutes-each hours indeed - I've yet to learn if it'll be 8-17 or 9-18, but it's pretty much the same. During these 9 hours I'll have to take a heavily censored geological map (1:50.000 scale if I'm lucky, missing 2/3 of the legend) and reverse engineer it - that is, from an incomplete picture reconstruct a complete, correct and detailed image of the source data. Practical utility - 0 I'll also have to write a paper about how much I enjoyed it and also about all the things the cut-up piece of paper told me while I was wrigging across it. And I'll have to be careful not to use difficult words - should I use technical terms that the teacher ignores, he'll mark them off as errors, as I can't possibly know their meaning. It already happened when I first tried this exam. >> Let's just hope this is a good month for DG ops in Europe! ;> > >And the month of may as well. That too - I'll have another 9 hour adventure by the end of may: nine hours looking through a petrography microscope at some silly rock slices. >> ObDG: does DG have friendlies keeping an eye on prospect recruits in >> universities? > >Definitely, I guess. Put they will also have an eye on possible enemies. Somebody >like yound medical studen Herbert West. This reminded me what is almost a classic of British spy fiction and honest to god spying history - a lot of double agents and spies were headhunted during their university days. Also, there's this persisting rumour - of which Len Deighton makes a wide use - that the British secret community is sort of an extended, glorified and often blundering Alumni Club. Given all this, it's pretty curious we have not come up yet with a solid script for the Oxbridge/Secret Services connection and structure. Or have we? People with ZODIAC clearance should take heed. Here are some prolegomena to a more complex discourse. Finding the right university kid is supposedly an art unto itself. The prospect agent should have a political leaning or simpathy upon which to play, in order to activate the them/us system. More mundane weaknesses (greed, egomania etc) can turn into liabilities, and are therefore considered a negative trait. Then, the kid has to have skills in a useful field or, more important, the potential to be inserted in the right circles/research centres/companies. This, for standard espionage. When the Mythos gets in the picture, the prospect recruit should have something more. What? A certain philosophical outlook? The capability to accept the uncanny at face value without going round the bend? How do you measure that? Of course, evaluation should be done on a personal basis - each individual is supposedly unique. But I think this whole field of spycraft has so far been ignored - so far DG has used agents already inserted in the structure. Why not raise them right from their youth? This being a British tradition, PISCES probably works that way - upper class, strong political sentiments, good future prospects and.... what else? A big head? I'll close recommending the Bernard Samson books by Len Deighton, starting with 'Berlin Game'. Not only they explore the 'Oxbridge ruling clique versus the proletarian field agent' issue at lenght but they are an excellent source on the subject of the agent's private life, and how much it can become compromised and convoluted because of the secret activity. And they are great fun, too. And here i stop hoping this will fuel some good discussion. Cheers! Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 4:22 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Tickling the Dragon's tail ----- Original Message ----- From: > Dunno. Maybe working in high places on a regular basis mundanes the allure. It does. That was what surprised me when I was trying my teensy weensy weensy bit of Mountain climbing. I always thought that fear for heights was fixed in me and the people who climbed high were, like, brave. But I climbed a bit and climbed a bit and, lo, it faded all slowly away. But I got smart and stopped anyway. I got better. "Tim R. Mortis! Tim R. Mortis HE's a loving friend! Tim R Mortis! Tim R Mortis! On him you can depend! He holds my hand while I'm asleep He guides me on my four-day creep He's with me to the end. > How about those single car accidents in the middle of flat nowhere? Someone > driving alone at night with nothing to see but the lines, radio wavering in > and out. If they just fell asleep at the wheel why did the car hit the only > tree between the road and the horizon? 1000 cars go along the road safely. One hits the tree. Which of those 1001 get noticed? I could take this off on a digression about Bayes Theorem and selection effects and the Anthropic principal. In fact I will. How can anyone stop me? 1000,000,000,000,000 lifeless universes One with one living planet in it Which of those 1000,000,000,000,001 gets noticed? The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 4:25 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: World War Two chemical weapons Hitler's Farts It's all so obvious, you fools, you fools. The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of James Holloway [j_holloway26@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 4:27 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: University (was Re:DG: David Irving's lawsuit failed) >Given all this, it's pretty curious we have not come up yet with a solid >script for the Oxbridge/Secret Services connection and structure. >Or have we? >People with ZODIAC clearance should take heed. > >Here are some prolegomena to a more complex discourse. > >Finding the right university kid is supposedly an art unto itself. >The prospect agent should have a political leaning or simpathy upon which >to play, in order to activate the them/us system. >More mundane weaknesses (greed, egomania etc) can turn into liabilities, >and are therefore considered a negative trait. >Then, the kid has to have skills in a useful field or, more important, the >potential to be inserted in the right circles/research centres/companies. >This, for standard espionage. >When the Mythos gets in the picture, the prospect recruit should have >something more. >What? >A certain philosophical outlook? >The capability to accept the uncanny at face value without going round the >bend? >How do you measure that? > Well, at Cambridge, some groups attempt to keep alive the "good old days," when undergraduates were men and men were rich. This involves forming strange quasi-secret societies which perform goony initiation things - much like American fraternities only smaller. Now, I myself was an unsociable undergraduate, so all I know about these outfits comes from rumor. But Cambridge students just love to _join_ things. I don't know why. There are groups for everything, in a way that just isn't true at most American universities. I mean, yes, there are lots of student political organizations at US universities, but I've yet to see the number of societies devoted to totally frivolous behavior. It's a lot more like an American high school. In fact, at Cambridge, I knew the guy who was head of the "Disciples of Cthulhu" club, which was listed under "religious" in the societies handbook. One of the things that Oxbridge is allegedly very good at producing is people who fit into the appropriate governmental culture. It's nothing to do with knowing things - you can, after all, pick up the knowledge. It's _who_ you know, and what _kind_ of people you know. It's hard to see how this would really manifest in an investigation... but I'm thinking about it. -- James Holloway "And yet in the end, for all his pains, he only knows how to play a game." - Baldesar Castiglione, "The Book of the Courtier" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of James Holloway [j_holloway26@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 4:30 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Tickling the Dragon's tail > > How about those single car accidents in the middle of flat nowhere? >Someone > > driving alone at night with nothing to see but the lines, radio wavering >in > > and out. If they just fell asleep at the wheel why did the car hit the >only > > tree between the road and the horizon? > I'm sure someone said this already, but ... I only ever knew one person who was in a one-car accident (he was killed) and the consensus among those who knew him better than I was that he had taken his own life... not necessarily in a premeditated way, but he was depressed, and he was driving along, and he ... drifted. Into the freeway divider. -- James Holloway "And yet in the end, for all his pains, he only knows how to play a game." - Baldesar Castiglione, "The Book of the Courtier" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 4:29 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: World War Two chemical weapons At 10:24 PM 4/13/00 +0100, you wrote: > >Hitler's Farts > >It's all so obvious, you fools, you fools. > According to a few folk on the WWII list, old Adolf was well known for gassing his house guests, and with a few brockwurst down him had an arse like the back end of the Batmobile... apparently... Jonathan Please, please, let it end here! From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 4:28 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: David Irving's lawsuit failed Greetings. The Lizard King is about to learn a nice bit of movie trivia.... > "Circulation obstruction?" Are you telling me that these drivers are letting >the girls "climb on", indulging in erotic asphyxiation and driving at the >same time? Yeah, I'd cite them for hazardous driving too. Especially if they >are doing all that on a Vespa. My friend, you wanna hazardous driving? Then dig the guy (a fiftysomething professional, of course) that drove his slick black Lancia through a barrier, stripped off about 200 meters of guard rail and finally landed in a rice paddy because of the exact same situation as seen in 'National Lampoon's Vacations'. The head blocked under the driving wheel gag. [for those that missed the movie - the mercenary lady servicing him got stuck under the driving wheel, all the while blocking his accelerator leg.] Incidentally, he had to pay a supplement to be serviced on a moving vehicle. > Man, you Italians are just sick. Remind me to stick to French and Greek >style when Euroslumming. ;-) Do not forget Norwegians. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 4:36 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: OT: steampunk ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Turner > Basically, the printer for Charles Babbage's difference engine has been > built and the sucker works... Yep. Smells of the Yithians. Babbage's work may be the "trace in time" of something far more complete - a whole alternate history that has gone away, leaving only scraps and tatters of inexplicably developed technology, without any of the theorising, experimentation, refinement and experience needed to create it . Take the time axis as down-to-up. The human race is a tree growing. The Yithians prune away a branch that was rubbing the bark off of other branches they would rather keep: but the scars on the bark remain. Babbage's engine, and what else? The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 4:33 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: David Irving's lawsuit failed Greetings. I better take my lead from Bruce Campbell. Jay was kind enough to write.... >>I tried to describe something like that in my old 'Grey Eminence' >>piece, >>but I'm still not satisfied about that. >> > >Please be at ease, the character was perfect. One of the first things I >noticed, in fact, when printing out the EH stuff. Very, very effective. >Ugly, poisonous man..."He fucks himself hands her back her carcass". >God. No, no.... I'm just filling in while He's out on personal business.... But thanks. I'm glad you appreciated the story. Say what you will, kids, but positive feedback is _good_ ;> Davide Mana From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 4:39 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: OT: steampunk At 10:36 PM 4/13/00 +0100, you wrote: >Take the time axis as down-to-up. The human race is a tree growing. The >Yithians prune away a branch that was rubbing the bark off of other branches >they would rather keep: but the scars on the bark remain. Babbage's >engine, and what else? > The MiB explained at last!! JT From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Popeyesays@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 4:49 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: World War Two chemical weapons In a message dated 4/13/00 4:46:13 PM Central Daylight Time, j.turner@irishnews.com writes: << According to a few folk on the WWII list, old Adolf was well known for gassing his house guests, and with a few brockwurst down him had an arse like the back end of the Batmobile... apparently... Jonathan Please, please, let it end here! >> Why? The topic is a gas! Hitler's flatulence is legendary. Whether it is true or not, I do not know. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 4:48 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: OT: steampunk Greetings... >Take the time axis as down-to-up. The human race is a tree growing. The >Yithians prune away a branch that was rubbing the bark off of other branches >they would rather keep: but the scars on the bark remain. Babbage's >engine, and what else? Leonardo da Vinci. ['Leonardo! Let's try something simple.... the train!' 'What's the train?' 'It has a smokestack, a fire within and goes on iron wheels' 'A hearth' 'Leonardo! The train! C'mon, how can you be such a dork?' this was Roberto Benigni when he still had a cutting edge, playing a XXth century primary school teacher stranded in Italian Reinassance] Good night. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 4:53 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Spies ----- Original Message ----- From: Davide Mana Spies. You might like to read the Aubrey/Maturin novels by Patrick O'Brien. They are Napoleonic sea stories, a bit like C.S.Forester's Hornblower, but infinitely superior. They center on the freindship between one Jack Aubrey (an officer in the Royal Navy) and Stephen Maturin, a surgeon, scientist and spy. O'Briens "take" on the intelligence community is infinitely circumspect, retiring and subtle. Gimmicks of any type have almost no part in real intelligence work. Almost all information is available through plain and obvious sources, the problem being (even then) where to look in a world full of words wording words. The greatest temptation to a spy's security is the temptation to _talk about it_ to someone - the greatest danger is the "rattle" or boastful status-seeking chatterbox. How true all this is I don't know - O'Brien died recently and his whole life (which supposedly included some time in intelligence in WWII) was exposed as a lie. The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Popeyesays@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 4:50 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: David Irving's lawsuit failed In a message dated 4/13/00 4:46:47 PM Central Daylight Time, doctor.dee@libero.it writes: << Incidentally, he had to pay a supplement to be serviced on a moving vehicle. > Man, you Italians are just sick. Remind me to stick to French and Greek >style when Euroslumming. ;-) Do not forget Norwegians. >> Just don't get rear ended while the lady is working - or you may get a subsidiary amputation if her jaws are knocked together hard enough - at least partial anyway. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 4:53 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: World War Two chemical weapons At 05:48 PM 4/13/00 EDT, you wrote: >Why? The topic is a gas! Hitler's flatulence is legendary. Whether it is true >or not, I do not know. > On a more serious note, apparently Hitler had decided simply to use gas - including the German nerve agents like Sarin and Soman in a retaliatory role. Churchill had at one stage considering using gas from the British armory - namely Nitrogen mustard gas and Lewisite during the Normandy landings. If he did, Hitler would have retaliated with nerve agents against which Allied gas masks were ineffective. Well, that's according to scuttlebutt anyway. Graeme will no doubt put me right if someone else doesn't first... JT From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 4:56 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: David Irving's lawsuit failed At 05:50 PM 4/13/00 EDT, you wrote: >Just don't get rear ended while the lady is working - or you may get a >subsidiary amputation if her jaws are knocked together hard enough - at least >partial anyway. > >From David Irving denying the Holocaust to getting your dick chomped off by a whore in a moving car. Please, Davide, tell me you're saving this thread! JT Once again worrying about what will REALLY go on the DGML t-shirt... From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 5:02 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: University (was Re:DG: David Irving's lawsuit failed) ----- Original Message ----- From: James Holloway > But Cambridge students just love to _join_ things. I don't know why. Practice for real status games. Primate 101. This came through in the Aubrey/Maturin stories as well. The greatest lure that can be used to recruit a potential agent is the lure of _joining_ the select group of people who _know_ what is going on. Since these are basically power-alliances, in time these groups split up and compete. Thus intelligence tends to be a fragmented game with many opposing groups even on what is theoretically the same side. The Glove Cleaner