From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jason R. Armstrong [gerwalkveritech@juno.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 9:16 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Whole Earth Ent. Are the WE Enterprises people the folks who put out the Whole Earth Catalog? I saw that once when I was a kid, some ex-hippie friends of my parents were really into it ("ex-hippie" may have nothing to do with it, but I tend to equate faded 60's idealism and early 1980's close-to-midlife stress, as ripe ground for nutty life choices). You do speak of the WE'ers as being *like* a cult....are they actually? There are acquisition "cults", such as Amway, who have some truly absurd motivational tapes (I am still hot on this subject, which I know everyone on the List has probably heard about since freakin' forever. Bear in mind, I am reasonably young, and not always that bright ). A friend of mine is involved with a supposedly more "low-key" online version of Amway called Quixtar. He got ahold of Amway propaganda as secondary thing. Both little schemes are... well, they're amazing ground for conspiracy and cult maneuvering. I had never realized, 'til I listened to those damned tapes, just how crazy the 80's were-I always made jokes about "Patriotism and Religious Faith and Consumerism are the same thing to ." But this tape, made in 80-something, actually _said_ that. Patriotism=Fighting the Godless Commies=Maximizing Unfettered "Free-Market" Exchange=Making Christian Values Safe=Patriotism. Nothing abstracted or metaphoric, just that. No jokin', no funnin'. Shopping into constant debt literally equalled Fighting the Good FIght to some of these jerks. So, anyway, is that what WEE is? You make it sound a little more complex, so if I'm totally off, tell me to shut up and I'll retract like a squid. OT, It's good to hear an unsolicited and absolutely dead-on defense of our civil rights/liberties, as ideals to be upheld, with no cynical "Well, it WOULD work, in a *perfect* world..." -type statements at the end. Thanks. xJAYx ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Edgar Riceboro [rlyehswimmer@angelfire.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 9:46 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Let's call the SEALs !!! On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:14:25 MARTIN WOLFF wrote: >Opps! I said 'when the players go in' I meant >'when the SEALs go in'. Just want to pipe in with a couple of quick options for Keepers who, perhaps like myself, are sick of the notion of American Special Forces being the stop-gap measure to tactical problems... Keepers interested in a "pay-as-you-play" tactical/reconnaisance/intelligence gathering forces might wish to peruse the following site: http://rvl4.ecn.purdue.edu/~cromwell/lt/terror.html Look towards the bottom for the Mercenaries section of the page, although it is a pretty good ref. overall. The question of money is one that any black operation must have mastered in order to exist. With the constant review of the United States' national budget in relation to its national debt and the equally real spectre of declining capital for the military services, outside sources whose ledgers, personnel rosters, and equipment might not be on file becomes a real and tangible asset for not only individual cells, but perhaps DG as a whole. Manipulating money internationally could be infinitely easier than convincing or paper-pushing some hardass CINCPAC or CINCLANT aide into loaning that spec. ops. team out to a cell trying to shutdown "Ye Liveliest Aweful PilleBox of Doome"....moreso if the target in question is in the international playground. Of course, employing outside sources includes its own set of risks, but if your players don't have the good sense to keep their hands out of the messy business then they have to accept some "stinky fingers", right? The final consideration (which others have voiced, and to which I am in accord) is to keep the players SEPARATE from the tactical assault, let them come in on the tail end, or send in that brutish spec. ops. member of the team who likes to carry four different kinds of handgun to gather "real-time" intelligence. -ER Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Crossingham, Adam [Adam.Crossingham@Octavian1009.E-MAIL.COM] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 11:07 AM To: 'dgrpg@delta-green.com' Subject: DG: WW2 plunder resurfaces in modern Russia 5000 year old Trojan gold put on permanent display in Moscow: http://www.allemandi.com/TAN/news/article.asp?idart=1415 ObDG: If famous finds like Schliemann's Troy finds can disappear for 50 years, what about the other goodies that the SS-Ahnenerbe and the Karotechia uncovered in their time? -- Adam Crossingham ZODIAC Clearance is a myth Home e-mail: zodiac@theblackseal.org Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jason R. Armstrong [gerwalkveritech@juno.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 10:00 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: David Irving's lawsuit failed This is hilarious. The only other >comic >genius of the same caliber that comes immediately to mind is Lyndon >LaRouche. These guys oughta team up. Greatest Comedy act since Abbot >and >Costello. > >Irving is joking right...right...right!!!! Please tell me it's a joke. > > >Frank Frey Pro'lly not. And neither is Lyndon Larouche. I read his absurd "autobiography" called THE POWER OF REASON. Damn fine silliness there. All sorts of goofy shit. Like, "The Cult of Mithra is behind everything bad, hence pagan British Royalists are to blame for Communism, the endgame of a plot hatched before Christ", or some such. 23 Skidoo, man. He's so whacky, I'm not even sure he makes a good blind for whatever real conspiracy he's hiding. He's just all _over_ the place. Maybe the effects of a SAN-deficient quadruple-agent? xJAYx ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Diego Garcia [dgarcia@ta.telecom.com.ar] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 10:08 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Gnoph keh and "cold metabolism" The other day I was thinking about mythos races not deeply analysed, and found an interesting idea. The Gnoph keh has the "magical" ability to create blizzards and diminish temperature in its surroundings, but what if this ability is not magical but some kind of "cold metabolism", as if it where a living "freezer", that uses the energy that food provides him to reduce temperature of some parts of his body radiating this heat through some other parts. Anyone knows if exist a real species (microscopic o macroscopic) that has this kind of "cold metabolism"? I think if this "cold metabolism" could be studied and replicated in other beings through genetic manipulation it could be of great interest to some Karotechia guy we all know, that likes cold rooms. GOOd luck Diego Garcia From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Eric Brennan [thebrennans@starpower.net] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 10:20 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Whole Earth Ent. WEE is, as far as I can tell, a standard corporation that has been made to embody all that's bad about corporate America. The purpose of it isn't even to advance the plans of the GOO...it's just to cause trouble. To the best of my knowledge it has nothing to do with the Whole Earth Catalog or neo-hippie crap; it's just a powerful bogeyman for your games, staffed with the cast of "American Psycho." To be honest, it reminded me more than a little bit of Pentex, from Werewolf.: The Apocalypse. I saw WEE as being a playground for Alzis to watch the disintegration of the non-existent human moral front. That's all...just a big chessboard where he can toy with people. In all honesty, the Fate seems more of an instrument for his GOO aspected activities, leaving the WEE setup as just a means to pass the time. As for Amway, I have only one comment: an organization thinly based on Amway was the "front" and recruiting service for COBRA in the old GI Joe canon. For those of us with relatives in Amway back in the day, it was pleasingly humorous. (And it certainly does make a nice conspiracy for DG: Pro-capitalist front that led deeperto a serpent based terrorist group led by a man who never showed his face for some reason. In fact, the toher guy who never showed his face, Destro, reminds me an awful lot of Alzis, now that my mind wanders.) Eric "Cobraaa!" Brennan ____________________________________ "These people terrify me, but I am one of them. If they stab me in the back, then at least it is the judgement of my peers." --George Smiley, "The Honourable Schoolboy" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason R. Armstrong" To: Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 10:15 AM Subject: Re: DG: Whole Earth Ent. > Are the WE Enterprises people the folks who put out the Whole > Earth Catalog? I saw that once when I was a kid, some ex-hippie friends > of my parents were really into it ("ex-hippie" may have nothing to do > with it, but I tend to equate faded 60's idealism and early 1980's > close-to-midlife stress, as ripe ground for nutty life choices). You do > speak of the WE'ers as being *like* a cult....are they actually? There > are acquisition "cults", such as Amway, who have some truly absurd > motivational tapes (I am still hot on this subject, which I know everyone > on the List has probably heard about since freakin' forever. Bear in > mind, I am reasonably young, and not always that bright ). A friend of > mine is involved with a supposedly more "low-key" online version of Amway > called Quixtar. He got ahold of Amway propaganda as secondary thing. Both > little schemes are... well, they're amazing ground for conspiracy and > cult maneuvering. > I had never realized, 'til I listened to those damned tapes, just > how crazy the 80's were-I always made jokes about "Patriotism and > Religious Faith and Consumerism are the same thing to shallow person whose politics I didn't like at the time>." But this > tape, made in 80-something, actually _said_ that. Patriotism=Fighting the > Godless Commies=Maximizing Unfettered "Free-Market" Exchange=Making > Christian Values Safe=Patriotism. Nothing abstracted or metaphoric, just > that. No jokin', no funnin'. Shopping into constant debt literally > equalled Fighting the Good FIght to some of these jerks. > So, anyway, is that what WEE is? You make it sound a little more > complex, so if I'm totally off, tell me to shut up and I'll retract like > a squid. > OT, It's good to hear an unsolicited and absolutely dead-on > defense of our civil rights/liberties, as ideals to be upheld, with no > cynical "Well, it WOULD work, in a *perfect* world..." -type statements > at the end. > Thanks. > xJAYx > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of MARTIN WOLFF [martin_wolff@globalcrossing.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 10:28 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Let's call the SEALs !!! I don't think it is so much sending in some governmental force but more the idea of sending in someone (anyone) to do your dirty work. I know there are situations where going in yourself is futile but if you want to play any role playing game so passively, you may as well just read a book. Martin. > > Just want to pipe in with a couple of quick options for Keepers who, perhaps like myself, are sick of the notion of American Special Forces being the stop-gap measure to tactical problems... > > Keepers interested in a "pay-as-you-play" tactical/reconnaisance/intelligence gathering forces might wish to peruse the following site: http://rvl4.ecn.purdue.edu/~cromwell/lt/terror.html > > Look towards the bottom for the Mercenaries section of the page, although it is a pretty good ref. overall. > > The question of money is one that any black operation must have mastered in order to exist. With the constant review of the United States' national budget in relation to its national debt and the equally real spectre of declining capital for the military services, outside sources whose ledgers, personnel rosters, and equipment might not be on file becomes a real and tangible asset for not only individual cells, but perhaps DG as a whole. > > Manipulating money internationally could be infinitely easier than convincing or paper-pushing some hardass CINCPAC or CINCLANT aide into loaning that spec. ops. team out to a cell trying to shutdown "Ye Liveliest Aweful PilleBox of Doome"....moreso if the target in question is in the international playground. > > Of course, employing outside sources includes its own set of risks, but if your players don't have the good sense to keep their hands out of the messy business then they have to accept some "stinky fingers", right? > > The final consideration (which others have voiced, and to which I am in accord) is to keep the players SEPARATE from the tactical assault, let them come in on the tail end, or send in that brutish spec. ops. member of the team who likes to carry four different kinds of handgun to gather "real-time" intelligence. > From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Steve Allison [sallison@netcomuk.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 11:26 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The Home Life of Agents > > Jeff's rationale was: too many player characters are orphans, typically > > young men, who have no friends who aren't in some way tied to the plot. Guys > > like Conan, Elric, or Mulder. > > I think Mulder's family ties supported the show for a couple of seasons. The UK series 'Ultraviolet' (not sure if it made it outside of the UK) was pretty good at showing DG types (they were investigating vampires) as reasonably three-dimensional characters, they had normal lives that impinged on them all the time. I think that the agency presented in that series is a better 'model' for how a DG cell might work than the X-Files. It's worth taking a look at if you get a chance. steve -- Stephen Allison sallison@netcomuk.co.uk From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 11:35 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: AMWAY ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Brennan > As for Amway, I have only one comment: an organization thinly based on > Amway was the "front" and recruiting service for COBRA in the old GI Joe > canon. For those of us with relatives in Amway back in the day, it was > pleasingly humorous. Humorous? Speak for yourself!! Carnivorously expanding, eating lives and economies, AMWAY is unquestionably the memetic/technological nucleus of a nascent but growing GOO that will make big C look like a cuddly toy. The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of MARTIN WOLFF [martin_wolff@globalcrossing.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 11:07 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Whole Earth Ent. Talking of Amway, the De Voz family (the creators of Amway), are heavily pushing in Michigan for the school voucher initiative which is a proposal to allow children to opt out of state schools and receive cash to spend on private schooling. ObDG: By allowing more children to attend alternative schools, new schools promoting something of an alternative curriculum can be set up outside of the state scrutiny. Will such learning hasten the Endtimes? Martin. > > As for Amway, I have only one comment: an organization thinly based on > Amway was the "front" and recruiting service for COBRA in the old GI Joe > canon. For those of us with relatives in Amway back in the day, it was > pleasingly humorous. (And it certainly does make a nice conspiracy for DG: > Pro-capitalist front that led deeperto a serpent based terrorist group led > by a man who never showed his face for some reason. In fact, the toher guy > who never showed his face, Destro, reminds me an awful lot of Alzis, now > that my mind wanders.) From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 12:17 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Gnoph keh and "cold metabolism" / thermodynamics ----- Original Message ----- From: Diego Garcia > The Gnoph keh has the "magical" ability to create blizzards and diminish > temperature in its surroundings, but what if this ability is not magical but > some kind of "cold metabolism", as if it where a living "freezer", that uses the > energy that food provides him to reduce temperature of some parts of his body > radiating this heat through some other parts. Very interesting. In the following analyses I use the term "Domain" _strictly_ under advice. If I have misunderstood, perhaps agent Timmins can correct it. Apologies in advance. ---- **** ---- No physical system can get work from background heat - it's those damn Laws of Thermodynamics again. If Mythos entities are surrounded by cold, or it Mythos hyperphysics creates areas of cold, then what we know now _suggests_ the following: 1) They must be expending work to pump the heat away from the areas that become cold - like a refrigerator. Or - 2) They are dumping the background heat of this Domain into a colder "heat sink" which is not in this Domain. This would be a classic "heat engine" which could be used to generate useful work. The latter sounds far more likely. Why do work when you can get energy for free? ---- **** ---- What I mean is that, if you think of an entity existing "alongside" us in another "dimension" or Domain where it is very cold - say at the temperature of liquid nitrogen. Now supposed that entity contacts our Domain. >From its POV it would be as if we came into contact with another "dimension" where everything - the air, the soil - was at the heat of molten glass. If _we_ did that, we would use the heat to drive steam engines and stuff. The "hot dimension" would be cooled locally, ours would heat up locally, and we would get some useful work. Turn that 'round and you may have a start at appreciating how Mythos entities and Mythos spells generate cold, and what _they_ get out of it. ---- **** ---- Of course I _don't_ think they use "steam engines". Instead, I suspect you have biological entities whose whole metabolism is based on exploiting differences in background temperature between adjacent Domains. This could be an absolutely enormous source of power, and allow for the existence of very large and physically powerful entities. Furthur point - the exploiting entity could as easly be in the _hotter_ Domain as in the colder. Fire Vampires? ---- **** ---- However, you need to be able to straddle different Domains to do this. Ordinary "terrene" creatures confined to one Domain cannot. That's why we will never find an Earthly example of this type of metabolism. The Glove Cleaner (Agent Timmins - I'd be very intertested in your ruling on this. Does it make sense?) From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of James Holloway [j_holloway26@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 12:21 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The Home Life of Agents > > I think Mulder's family ties supported the show for a couple of seasons. > No, no, no. They were tied into the plot, that was the whole problem. I don't know if you guys get a lot of this in other campaigns, but many Keepers (not you, Jeff) have this problem where if you create a member of your family, or a boyfriend/girlfriend, or a colleague as part of your background, the guy _invariably_ turns out to be evil. Mulder's dad was involved with aliens? I'm so shocked! _Everyone_ on that show is to do with aliens! I would like - just once - to see an NPC family member who was important as a character without being some kind of freak. Important to the main character, even if not to the plot. I mean, wouldn't it be nice if, instead of being some kind of weird alien cancerman love slave (I haven't watched the show in a couple of years) Mulder's mom was just worried about the fact that her son was a moody loner who didn't have any friends and showed a 0% chance of meeting a nice girl, settling down, and providing her with grandkids? There's no shortage of dramatic tension and interesting character development there... but no, it has to be aliens, aliens, aliens! Always with the aliens! Geez... listen to me... I was about to run out of the building and take Chris Carter hostage there... >The UK series 'Ultraviolet' (not sure if it made it outside of the UK) was >pretty good at showing DG types (they were investigating vampires) as >reasonably three-dimensional characters, they had normal lives that >impinged >on them all the time. I think that the agency presented in that series is >a >better 'model' for how a DG cell might work than the X-Files. It's worth >taking a look at if you get a chance. > >steve > Heh heh... and they are making an American version now, lucky us! Seriously, everyone should watch Ultraviolet. It's very DG-like, and just generally very good. It has DG's tone of "we are one among many conspiracies" rather than the X-Files' "we are heroic loners against the conspiracy." And it's damn good. And the Home Office ex-girlfriend is a good character: interesting, eventually gets involved in the plot, but not secretly some kind of shape-changing alien serial killer. -- James Holloway "And yet in the end, for all his pains, he only knows how to play a game." - Baldesar Castiglione, "The Book of the Courtier" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Shane Ivey [sivey@zealot.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 12:22 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: RE: DG: The Home Life of Agents Incidentally (since Ultraviolet has been mentioned a number of times here), Fox is working on a remake of the show. I haven't heard much more about it than that, but I haven't looked much, either. http://www.zealot.com/news/archives/200004/20000403.php3 Shane Ivey Editor and Webmaster Zealot.com: Sci-Fi & Fantasy Fun (now hiring: Zealot.com/jobs/) GameJudge.com: The Game Review Superportal Delta-Green.com: Lovecraftian Horror and Modern Conspiracy Today at Zealot.com: Previewing X-MEN: THE MOVIE! > -----Original Message----- > > The UK series 'Ultraviolet' (not sure if it made it outside of the UK) was > pretty good at showing DG types (they were investigating vampires) as > reasonably three-dimensional characters, they had normal lives From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of William Timmins [wtimmins@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 12:36 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Gnoph keh and "cold metabolism" / thermodynamics >From: "Andy Robertson" >If I have misunderstood, perhaps agent Timmins can correct it. Apologies >in advance. > >---- **** ---- > > >No physical system can get work from background heat - it's those damn Laws >of Thermodynamics again. > >If Mythos entities are surrounded by cold, or it Mythos hyperphysics >creates >areas of cold, then what we know now _suggests_ the following: > > 1) They must be expending work to pump the heat away from the areas >that become cold - like a refrigerator. Or - > > 2) They are dumping the background heat of this Domain into a colder >"heat sink" which is not in this Domain. This would be a classic "heat >engine" which could be used to generate useful work. > >The latter sounds far more likely. Why do work when you can get energy for >free? > > >---- **** ---- > >What I mean is that, if you think of an entity existing "alongside" us in >another "dimension" or Domain where it is very cold - say at the >temperature >of liquid nitrogen. > >Now supposed that entity contacts our Domain. > > >From its POV it would be as if we came into contact with another >"dimension" >where everything - the air, the soil - was at the heat of molten glass. > >If _we_ did that, we would use the heat to drive steam engines and stuff. >The "hot dimension" would be cooled locally, ours would heat up locally, >and >we would get some useful work. > >Turn that 'round and you may have a start at appreciating how Mythos >entities and Mythos spells generate cold, and what _they_ get out of it. > >---- **** ---- > >Of course I _don't_ think they use "steam engines". Instead, I suspect >you have biological entities whose whole metabolism is based on exploiting >differences in background temperature between adjacent Domains. > >This could be an absolutely enormous source of power, and allow for the >existence of very large and physically powerful entities. > >Furthur point - the exploiting entity could as easly be in the _hotter_ >Domain as in the colder. > >Fire Vampires? > >---- **** ---- > >However, you need to be able to straddle different Domains to do this. > >Ordinary "terrene" creatures confined to one Domain cannot. > >That's why we will never find an Earthly example of this type of >metabolism. > > > > >The Glove Cleaner > > >(Agent Timmins - I'd be very intertested in your ruling on this. Does it >make sense?) It makes beautiful and terrible sense. ;) There are a number of materials which can use energy differentials to generate work. I BELIVE there is a material which, when heat is applied to one part, the heat differential becomes electrical energy. It is easy to apply this to (odd) biological constructs. Perhaps some multi-domain entities require aspects of our domain to perform vital biological functions. In our world, we have hot-vent organisms which use the complex chemicals which are spewed from the heat vents as food (in a manner). So multi-domain entities could have some other-domain process that creates Widgets, passes the Widgets into our universe, where they transform, and then pass the Transformed Widgets into yet another, deriving energy. This is actually the basis for my conception of the City-beings, the bodies that Dimensional Shamblers are corpuscles of. If Domains are at different energy levels (which is likely), this could be tapped both biologically or technologically. In fact, though I haven't brought it up, in one of the inspirational campaigns I ran for the Endtimes, the Elder race had heat guns. Heat guns would project a domain-transfer at range. This caused other-domain energies to interact with our world, causing a flash of heat. After researhc, the players found out that the energy density was limited, at least with this technology, but it could conceivably be used as a safe source of clean energy. Further, I explained neutrinos as particles that existed primarily in another domain. The whole idea was that as scientists in the Endtimes probed, like Einstein did with inaccuracies in newtonian predictions, they discovered that the Dualist model didn't work. That is, it's not merely that there are other dimensions floating about that don't involve us, but that things are tied together in very subtle and fundamental ways. And even FURTHERmore... I also use this distinction between Singular Domain dwellers and Multiple Domain dwellers as the litmus for the functioning of the Elder sign. FYI. Agent Robertson, I commend your use of my brilliance! Just afix these crystal plates to your face, I have more to show you... -=Will ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Steve Allison [sallison@netcomuk.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 12:58 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The Home Life of Agents > Incidentally (since Ultraviolet has been mentioned a number of times here), > Fox is working on a remake of the show. I haven't heard much more about it > than that, but I haven't looked much, either. > > http://www.zealot.com/news/archives/200004/20000403.php3 Predictably there is a fan site for the original: http://members.xoom.com/LBroadley/uvmain.htm steve -- Stephen Allison sallison@netcomuk.co.uk From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Steve Allison [sallison@netcomuk.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 1:01 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The Home Life of Agents > Incidentally (since Ultraviolet has been mentioned a number of times here), > Fox is working on a remake of the show. I haven't heard much more about it > than that, but I haven't looked much, either. > > http://www.zealot.com/news/archives/200004/20000403.php3 ... and this fan site doesn't consist of 404 errors... http://www.phlebas.demon.co.uk/uv/ steve -- Stephen Allison sallison@netcomuk.co.uk From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 1:09 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Whole Earth Ent. ----- Original Message ----- From: MARTIN WOLFF > ObDG: By allowing more children to attend alternative schools, new schools > promoting something of an alternative curriculum can be set up outside of the > state scrutiny. Will such learning hasten the Endtimes? Considering the state of US public schools (according to what I hear on other lists) probably the reverse! The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 1:22 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Gnoph keh and "cold metabolism" / thermodynamics ----- Original Message ----- From: William Timmins > It is easy to apply this to (odd) biological constructs. > Perhaps some multi-domain entities require aspects of our domain to perform > vital biological functions. In our world, we have hot-vent organisms which > use the complex chemicals which are spewed from the heat vents as food (in a > manner). I'm glad I did not totally misunderstand! Of course agent Garcia was talking about a _temperature_ differential - often observed with Mythos entites - and I was confining my ideas to that. But that does not rule out these much more sophisticated transfers of matter and energy. So, I put my head here - grip these handles, you say . ... It won't hurt, will it?. The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Frank Frey (SOK) [ffreyiii@luna.cas.usf.edu] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 1:19 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Utraviolet Greetings, I found the "official" Ultraviolet Website. The URL is www.world-productions.com/ultraviolet/index.htm Damn, it looks interesting. I just wonder how badly Fox will screw it up by pitching it at the 18-31 year testosorone addled adult male children that seem to be the prize audience these days. (They'll probably want to put a professional wrestler in the lead). Frank Frey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The only difference between myself and a madman is that I am not mad!" Salvador Dali ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of William Timmins [wtimmins@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 1:32 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Gnoph keh and "cold metabolism" / thermodynamics Thinking about these issues, I added some material to the Domains and Hypertechnology section. Heh. -=Will ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of William Timmins [wtimmins@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 1:44 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Gnoph keh and "cold metabolism" / thermodynamics >From: "Andy Robertson" >So, I put my head here - grip these handles, you say . ... It won't hurt, >will it?. > > >The Glove Cleaner > Not for any measurable length of time. ObDG: Watched 'The Day After' last night, for the first time (heh). 80s TV movie about nuclear holocaust... raised quite a stir when it originally came out. Watching it, I remembered the outright fear I had at that time... watching the horizon, contemplating 'what would I do if it happened.. NOW? Right now, in the midst of everything...' Hmm. Consider what that fear may have been a tool for... consider life now. No longer do we fear (for the most part) sudden destruction of EVERYTHING... but now our fears are more local. Now children are plotting genocide. What was the cold war for? -=Will ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Edgar Riceboro [rlyehswimmer@angelfire.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 1:56 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Let's call the SEALs !!! On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:27:30 MARTIN WOLFF wrote: >I don't think it is so much sending in some >governmental force but more the idea of >sending in someone (anyone) to do your dirty >work. I know there are situations where going >in yourself is futile but if you want to play >any role playing game so passively, you may as >well just read a book. I'm sorry if my previous response came across as pointed, it was intended more to the nature of the thread. My post was more to illustrate that, yes there will be times when a tactical answer must be sought, but in those times there are alternatives to yanking the chains on the bureaucracy to deliver one of their trained, flagged and tagged teams to respond to the crisis. Executive Outcomes, as one example, is a private organization that employs (by rumor) ex Spetsnaz and South African Recces, both are or were considered "elite" units, and both of whose members are most likely fluent in at least two languages. This provides innumerable advantages to any tactical action directed against a potentially high-profile target (Karotechia front company, MJ-12 affiliate, or take your pick)that must be taken out without any comebacks. The wonderful part is that thru the medium of money, or more appropriately, with a well thought out chain of exchanges, DG could maintain their anonymity AND accomplish the immediate objective. As for the matter of government forces, sadly the US spec. ops. community is not given the degree of training it probably should be (I blame the continual myopia in regards to budgeting them). In the heyday after Kennedy founded them, the Green Berets were indeed impressive, with most of their personnel multi-lingual in addition to their cross-training on multiple MOS's. Finally, with regard to "passive roleplaying", I would hate to think that a game would be judged on its activity based on the amount of combat, whether it be overt or covert, that was attempted per session. I would like to think that players could be actively involved in a game by researching answers to problems, researching front companies or strange technologies, or trying to better understand what they are up against (again, diff. strokes for diff. folks)not even counting recovering artifacts, tailing, following or surveilling "bad guys" or various intelligence gathering so that proper courses of action can be taken. Combat is lethal, period, and in rare instances it can provide a resolution to a problem, but that is the exception rather than the rule. Gamers like it, that much is truth. But the nature of DG is a conspiracy. In The Rules of Engagement this corresponds to the ratio of personnel and their specialties. I don't have the book in front of me, but the ratio is (crudely) about 1 spec. ops. operator to 5 or more civilian professionals. I don't count agent Nancy in that because I got the impression she was hungry throughout most of the ROE (lol, Alphonse) -ER (The whole nature of DG is dirty work, from the top down, but the people that live the longest are the ones who learn to add some steps below themselves upon which to let the dirty work roll) Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of MARTIN WOLFF [martin_wolff@globalcrossing.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 2:01 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Whole Earth Ent. > > > ObDG: By allowing more children to attend alternative schools, new schools > > promoting something of an alternative curriculum can be set up outside of > the > > state scrutiny. Will such learning hasten the Endtimes? > > Considering the state of US public schools (according to what I hear on > other lists) probably the reverse! So you too have fallen into their trap.... From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 2:19 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Good film Greetings. What better than an aftrenoon at the movies to fight pre-exam panic? I'm just out of 'Stir of Echoes' - featuring that Kevin Bacon guy that despite his gastronomical name (or maybe because of it) apparently is just six degrees away from us. Anyway - good solid film from a book by Richard Matheson. Probabbly better than Sixth Sense, to which it will obviously be compared. Highly recommended. And there's a moment where you catch something in the background that might be the Fate, or DG, or something. Check it out. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 2:30 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Utraviolet On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:19:20 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Damn, it looks interesting. I just wonder how badly Fox will screw it up >by pitching it at the 18-31 year testosorone addled adult male children >that seem to be the prize audience these days. (They'll probably want to >put a professional wrestler in the lead). The guy put in charge of the adaptation is Howard Gordon, who was one of the creative forces behind The X-Files in its first half of seasons, and created the short-lived series Strange World - if there was anything not geared towards demographics, it was that series. So, hopefully, there's nothing to worry there. To tie this back into DG, when I first heard of Ultraviolet (from this list some months back), I thought it'd be the perfect way to crossover DG with the White Wolf universe. As has been pointed out, by putting a GOO behind the vampiric curse, it's possible to use just about all WW stuff in a DG game. Not that this would be ideal, but some aspects of the WW universe would be good to flesh out a vampiric menace in a DG game, at least until John H. Crowe III gets out that Mythos vampire supplement that's been talked about. And Ultraviolet is still good if one has nothing but loathing for the stuff of Albino Fleabag... being a Merkin without a PAL-capable VCR, I haven't seen the videos (damn you PAL, damn you to HELL!), but as I understand it, the series never blatantly comes out and states that these are *vampires*, and treats them as a scientific menace as opposed to a supernatural one - vampirism as a disease. Gil Trevizo furrylogic@mindspring.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 2:53 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Static electricity Ok, bear with me here. Who else has been experiencing an increase in static electric shocks since the millennium? I've been getting them off the vending machines in work, the car, the damn CAT, pieces of clothing and all kinds of stuff. I never, ever got them before. Just tonight three other people independently told me they had been getting them a lot over the last few months. I never told them I was getting them before they brought this topic up. Something's wrong, I tell you! It's HAARP or something! Arghhhhh!!!! JT From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 2:52 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Let's call the SEALs !!! On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:55:38 -0400, you wrote: > My post was more to illustrate that, yes there will be times when a tactical answer must >be sought, but in those times there are alternatives to yanking the chains on the >bureaucracy to deliver one of their trained, flagged and tagged teams to respond to the >crisis. Executive Outcomes, as one example, is a private organization that employs (by >rumor) ex Spetsnaz and South African Recces, both are or were considered "elite" units, and >both of whose members are most likely fluent in at least two languages. There's a sure-fire way for the players to muck up their own plans... isn't Executive Outcomes the outfit that was hired by an African nation to take care of their rebel problems, only to find themselves hostages to EO when they couldn't pay their bill. Machiavelli would've loved these guys. >This provides innumerable advantages to any tactical action directed against a potentially >high-profile target (Karotechia front company, MJ-12 affiliate, or take your pick)that must be >taken out without any comebacks. The wonderful part is that thru the medium of money, or >more appropriately, with a well thought out chain of exchanges, DG could maintain their >anonymity AND accomplish the immediate objective. Any use of large-scale resources to perform tactical ops, whether by using one's Credit Rating to officially requisition a spec ops unit or by using the other aspect of Credit Rating to get a loan to pay off a merc squad, is prone to their own dangers. And in DG, it all bears the danger of getting out into public knowledge. Soldier of Fortune fantasies aside, mercs can and will probably talk up their experiences, especially to their old buddies still in the military, who may end up affiliated with MJ-12 or PISCES or god knows what. > As for the matter of government forces, sadly the US spec. ops. community is not given the >degree of training it probably should be (I blame the continual myopia in regards to >budgeting them). In the heyday after Kennedy founded them, the Green Berets were indeed >impressive, with most of their personnel multi-lingual in addition to their cross-training on >multiple MOS's. There is a thread in the Ice Cave on this kind of "which spec ops is best" kind of thing. One thing to remember with US Army Special Forces is that they were created to perform counterinsurgency, not direct action like SAS, Rangers, etc. When the Reagan Administration started pumping money back into special warfare, they did so not for counterinsurgency but for strategic strike missions - the kind of combat ops the Rangers and SEALs were organized and trained to perform. I don't know if it's still the case (my fascination with spec ops faded with the passing of adolescence), but US Army SF has always had the problem that to get the money to do the job they were trained to do, they would be required to perform these missions they were not made for. The lessons of Bosnia may have changed that... at least I hope it has. I've always admired the Green Berets because of their original mission... Peace Corps with guns, very romantic in a Lawrence of Arabia kind of way. Too bad that's not the way it worked out. >Finally, with regard to "passive roleplaying", I would hate to think that a game would be >judged on its activity based on the amount of combat, whether it be overt or covert, that >was attempted per session. I would like to think that players could be actively involved in a >game by researching answers to problems, researching front companies or strange >technologies, or trying to better understand what they are up against (again, diff. strokes >for diff. folks)not even counting recovering artifacts, tailing, following or surveilling "bad >guys" or various intelligence gathering so that proper courses of action can be taken. This sounds a lot like The Dogs of War, either the movie or the Frederick Forsyth novel. Very DGesque. Gil Trevizo furrylogic@mindspring.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of James Holloway [j_holloway26@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 3:00 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Utraviolet >The guy put in charge of the adaptation is Howard Gordon, who was one >of the creative forces behind The X-Files in its first half of >seasons, and created the short-lived series Strange World - if there >was anything not geared towards demographics, it was that series. So, >hopefully, there's nothing to worry there. Well, let's pray. In any event, the British series is good enough for two - I am very surprised it hasn't made its way to the states yet. Or maybe it has, but was on at 3 am and I missed it... > >To tie this back into DG, when I first heard of Ultraviolet (from this list >some months back), I thought it'd be the perfect way to crossover >DG with the White Wolf universe. As has been pointed out, by putting >a GOO behind the vampiric curse, it's possible to use just about all >WW stuff in a DG game. Not that this would be ideal, but some aspects >of the WW universe would be good to flesh out a vampiric menace in a >DG game, at least until John H. Crowe III gets out that Mythos vampire >supplement that's been talked about. > I'm not sure how useful Ultraviolet would be... although it hints interestingly at a vampire society - indeed, a vampire conspiracy! But I think the tone of the series might be altered by having a cosmic horror lurking behind it all. It's hard to express UV's tone - it's very "personal," very "down-to-earth." >And Ultraviolet is still good if one has nothing but loathing for the >stuff of Albino Fleabag... being a Merkin without a PAL-capable VCR, I >haven't seen the videos (damn you PAL, damn you to HELL!), but as I >understand it, the series never blatantly comes out and states that >these are *vampires*, and treats them as a scientific menace as >opposed to a supernatural one - vampirism as a disease. Well, maybe yes, maybe no. There are no adequate scientific explanations for vampires, and the whole mirror thing seems kind of conceptual (the only way to perceive a vampire (or "Code Five" as they call em... Code V, get it?) is to look directly at it. They can't be recorded in any way). But it's definitely a story of a scientific *approach* being taken to a weird, otherworldly phenomenon, which is a very DG kind of story. Oh, man, I miss UV now. I gotta get my hands on tapes - I know science fiction people! There *must* be US-format tapes out there somewhere! -- James Holloway "And yet in the end, for all his pains, he only knows how to play a game." - Baldesar Castiglione, "The Book of the Courtier" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Frank Frey (SOK) [ffreyiii@luna.cas.usf.edu] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 3:03 PM To: Gil Trevizo Cc: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Utraviolet Gil, There was a short lived series called "Prey" that featured a species of human looking mutants that were out to take over the world. IIRC, they were supposed to be 6% different from us. An evolutionary biologist friend of mine allowed as how at a 6% difference they would not look human at all. Frank Frey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The only difference between myself and a madman is that I am not mad!" Salvador Dali ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Abel Lindburg [abel_123@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 3:34 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Static electricity umm me too. I get them off my car. Started when I was in Phoenix. I blamed it on the dry air in Phoenix. Hrm. Interesting. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Turner To: Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 2:52 PM Subject: DG: Static electricity > Ok, bear with me here. Who else has been experiencing an increase in static > electric shocks since the millennium? > > I've been getting them off the vending machines in work, the car, the damn > CAT, pieces of clothing and all kinds of stuff. I never, ever got them > before. Just tonight three other people independently told me they had been > getting them a lot over the last few months. I never told them I was > getting them before they brought this topic up. > > Something's wrong, I tell you! It's HAARP or something! Arghhhhh!!!! > > JT > > From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of MARTIN WOLFF [martin_wolff@globalcrossing.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 3:04 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity Did you get new underwear for Christmas? hehehe ObDG: What did your characters get for Christmas? OK I'm sure this has been done to death before but I am desperate for a ObDG here. Martin. > Ok, bear with me here. Who else has been experiencing an increase in static > electric shocks since the millennium? > > I've been getting them off the vending machines in work, the car, the damn > CAT, pieces of clothing and all kinds of stuff. I never, ever got them > before. Just tonight three other people independently told me they had been > getting them a lot over the last few months. I never told them I was > getting them before they brought this topic up. > > Something's wrong, I tell you! It's HAARP or something! Arghhhhh!!!! > > JT From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 3:35 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity At 04:03 PM 4/14/00 -0400, you wrote: >Did you get new underwear for Christmas? hehehe > >ObDG: What did your characters get for Christmas? OK I'm sure this has >been done to death before but I am desperate for a ObDG here. > >Martin. Sorry. I forgot to include the ObDG. Okay, how about MJ-12 or PISCES are experimenting with the environment in some form of weather control experiment. Increased static is the side effect. A guy I met an UNCON one year swore blind that was already happening in London. JT From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Abel Lindburg [abel_123@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 3:47 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Re: Static electricity You know, I should read that closer. I was getting static shocks as early as August, 1999. Not since the millennium. ----- Original Message ----- From: Abel Lindburg To: Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 3:34 PM Subject: DG: Re: Static electricity > umm me too. I get them off my car. Started when I was in Phoenix. I blamed > it on the dry air in Phoenix. Hrm. Interesting. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jonathan Turner > To: > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 2:52 PM > Subject: DG: Static electricity > > > > Ok, bear with me here. Who else has been experiencing an increase in > static > > electric shocks since the millennium? > > > > I've been getting them off the vending machines in work, the car, the damn > > CAT, pieces of clothing and all kinds of stuff. I never, ever got them > > before. Just tonight three other people independently told me they had > been > > getting them a lot over the last few months. I never told them I was > > getting them before they brought this topic up. > > > > Something's wrong, I tell you! It's HAARP or something! Arghhhhh!!!! > > > > JT > > > > > > From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of R. Hyrum Savage [hyrum@otherworlds.cx] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 4:09 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Hellos and ideas I'd like to say hi to everyone on the list and thanks for all of the great ideas! I'm new to the whole Delta Green thing (although I did read the original write up in the Unspeakable Oath) but I recently picked it up and am working on a campaign to run. One of the things I've come across is so absolutely perfect for DG that I had to share it. It's a website, located at http://www.nazi.org. (Hopefully the people in Germany can check it out, as I don't know if it's legal there or not). It's a website for a political party here in the U.S. that calls themselves the "Libertarian National Socialist Green Party". If this isn't a front for the Karotechia I don't know what is. Imagine having one of these guys in the Presidential Elections we're having here stirring things up. Anyways, keep up the good stuff and I hope you enjoy this little tid bit. Hyrum Savage Santa Monica, CA. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andrew John Farrow [andrew.j.farrow@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 4:13 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Re: Gnoph keh and "cold metabolism" / thermodynamics you wrote - > > The Gnoph keh has the "magical" ability to create blizzards and diminish > > temperature in its surroundings, but what if this ability is not magical > but > > some kind of "cold metabolism", as if it where a living "freezer", that > uses the > > energy that food provides him to reduce temperature of some parts of his > body > > radiating this heat through some other parts. please dont let this kick off an off topic physics thread like we had a few weeks ago , even though i have started it . but IMO the * physics * of the mythos( which is not *real*) allows the Gnop keh to use the princple of maxwells demon . to its own ends - and there you have it . for any body still confused - http://physics.about.com/education/physics/msubtherm.htm is the best plain english link i can find your - andy . From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andrew John Farrow [andrew.j.farrow@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 4:24 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: DG OBDG christmas presents >martin wrote - > >ObDG: What did your characters get for Christmas? OK I'm sure this has > >been done to death before but I am desperate for a ObDG here. > > my character got gift vouchers for ECT at the arkham asylum - isnt that what all DG ops get are are my cell taking the piss yours - andy From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of R. Hyrum Savage [hyrum@otherworlds.cx] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 4:55 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: More weirdness I've also recently subscribed to a weekly email newsletter titled "Conspiracy Journal" that is just perfect for a DG game. For those of you that are interested, the info is: http://www.webufo.net (Website) conspiracyjournal-subscribe@listbot.com (Newsletter) Some of the stories that are supposedly happening to us are: 1. Researcher Says Colonists May Have Been Poisoned In what could be a macabre sequel to the story of Pocahontas, a pathologist says many of the settlers who died at Jamestown may have been poisoned with arsenic - perhaps by Capt. John Smith himself." 2. Jackie Gleason & The Little "Men From Mars" 3. South Africa's Vortex of the Weird The sleepy town of Aliwal North's notorious river monster is facing stiff competition these days from various other alien apparitions. Flying saucers, extraterrestrials, a ghost that Looks like a giant wolf-like cat and vehicle lights that appear and disappear from nowhere are all in the running to oust the river monster from his main attraction status. Strange as they may seem, these apparitions have apparently been regular sights on Wouter Pienaar's farm Dronkfontein (Drunk Fountain) over the past 80 years. And my favorite.... 4. Bizarre New Shroud Theory Over Christ's Head A Northeast academic who hit the headlines when he said Jesus' head was buried in Scotland has written another book which is set to anger Christians. In his latest work, "The Divine Deception," Dr. Keith Laidler makes new claims about the Turin Shroud. He believes the image on the shroud is that of Jesus' embalmed head, placed alongside the headless torso of a Christian crucified in Syria by the Mamluk Turks in the 13th Century. His extensive research - revealed in his previous book, "The Head of God," have led him to believe Jesus' head was brought back from the Middle East to Europe by the order of warrior-monks known as The Knights Templar. They worshiped the head as an idol - known as Baphomet - and created the shroud as a photographic record of their most precious artifact. Source: The Journal/Newcastle Just more info to share. :) Hyrum. Santa Monica, CA From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andrew John Farrow [andrew.j.farrow@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 4:56 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: David Irving's lawsuit failed frank wrote - > >Irving is joking right...right...right!!!! Please tell me it's a joke. > > > > > >Frank Frey fraid not - the man is a trrue believer .who brought his sorry little circus through the UK courts because victory in the case he just thakfull lost . would IIRC have set a dammed dangerous precedent in our legal system . any clarification from a real solicitor on just what the concequence oif an irvine victory would have been would be appreceiated yours - andy . From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 5:31 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Knock knock! Just the thing to open those pesky double doors at the cultists' lair... http://www.aerotechnews.com/starc/1999/080399/Israel_Munitions_USArmy.html JT From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Quiller [quiller@quiller.demon.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 5:30 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Utraviolet In message , Gil Trevizo writes >And Ultraviolet is still good if one has nothing but loathing for the >stuff of Albino Fleabag... being a Merkin without a PAL-capable VCR, I >haven't seen the videos (damn you PAL, damn you to HELL!), but as I >understand it, the series never blatantly comes out and states that >these are *vampires*, and treats them as a scientific menace as >opposed to a supernatural one - vampirism as a disease. > >Gil Trevizo >furrylogic@mindspring.com More than that, the 'V' word is never used at all, they are instead referred to as "Code 5" ( 5 = V in roman numerals...). And yes, they are treated as scientific threat, or "public health issue" as Pierce Harman, the ex-priest head of the organisation, puts it. Science has also been used in developing weapons; to exploit the fact that Code 5s images cannot be captured on video, photograph etc. the squad are equipped with guns that have a small viewcam on the side. Guy in front of you with no image on the viewcam? *bang*. One question though, anyone know why they're remaking it? I mean, it was made with great production values - good sets, actors who are usually in quality films, even good music, and in english of course, so.. er.. why? Steve Pritchard Business Systems Analyst Hampshire, England "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" -Juvenal, Satires, VI, 347 From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Steve Allison [sallison@netcomuk.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 5:39 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Static electricity > Ok, bear with me here. Who else has been experiencing an increase in static > electric shocks since the millennium? I'll bet you don't have a cellphone then. See, this increasing in static shocks is all to do with YOG-SOTHOTH and the seven inimicable masters of Leng and their irrational drive to map the POSITION and VELOCITY of every human on the planet thereby giving THE FIRST QUANTUM NUMBER OF HUMANITY. Most civilized folk give this information away for free by carrying a cellphone. The failure of IRIDIUM has scuppered their plans to have global tracing. They have instead cranked up the POWER of existing cellphone transmitters theeby causing a layer of charge at around SIX feet altitude. As we move through it, we pick up charge. When we touch something earthed the charge flows over our skin in a pattern modulated by our DNA; the burst of radio noise when the spark poccurs is thus different for every person on the planet. The irony is that only the much hated CLONERS can save us. How do i know this? I never only shocks at work where I am not allowed to have my mobile phone on (hospital stuff) and never at home. The POWERS THAT BE clearly hoped to alleviate my suspicions by installing a new CARPET at the same time, but I'm smarter than they think. s. -- Stephen Allison sallison@netcomuk.co.uk From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 5:46 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Static electricity At 11:38 PM 4/14/00 +0100, you wrote: >I'll bet you don't have a cellphone then. > Errr... I do. So that's that then... But I don't carry it all the time. Does that count? JT From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Steve Allison [sallison@netcomuk.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 6:01 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Static electricity > At 11:38 PM 4/14/00 +0100, you wrote: > >I'll bet you don't have a cellphone then. > > > > Errr... I do. So that's that then... rats. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 6:26 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Static electricity I, too, have been experiencing extra static shocks since the millenium. For a change, I don't have the faintest idea why. The Glove Cleaner. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Turner > At 11:38 PM 4/14/00 +0100, you wrote: > >I'll bet you don't have a cellphone then. > > > > Errr... I do. So that's that then... But I don't carry it all the time. > Does that count? > > JT > > > From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of EdDrWho@aol.com Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 6:51 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Whole Earth Ent. In a message dated 4/14/00 1:11:43 PM Central Daylight Time, andywrobertson@clara.co.uk writes: > Considering the state of US public schools (according to what I hear on > other lists) probably the reverse! > It's all true. Remain calm...Cell E will fix this by removing the Prozac from the drinking water. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of EdDrWho@aol.com Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 6:55 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Let's call the SEALs !!! In a message dated 4/14/00 2:08:02 PM Central Daylight Time, rlyehswimmer@angelfire.com writes: > Executive Outcomes, as one example, is a private organization that employs ( > by rumor) ex Spetsnaz and South African Recces, both are or were considered " > elite" units, and both of whose members are most likely fluent in at least > two languages. There's a book on weird jobs (the name escapes me, something like "Hey, Nice Job") that covers Soldiers for Hire, as well as telephone psychics and SETI researchers. Fun stuff. Executive Outcomes is more in the training side of things...like Ivan and Leonid from _Big Trouble_, they'll tell you how the bomb works, but they'd be damned if they played around with it themselves... From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Deirdre M. Brooks [xenya@teleport.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 7:29 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity Jonathan Turner wrote: > > Ok, bear with me here. Who else has been experiencing an increase in static > electric shocks since the millennium? I've been experiencing them when exiting cars near my home, and occasionally when opening the front door (only from outside). This has been going on since sometime last year. -- Deird'Re M. Brooks | xenya@teleport.com | cam#9309026 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG "If you loved me, you'd all kill yourselves today." -- Spider Jerusalem | http://www.teleport.com/~xenya